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James: Well, we are
nearing home, so to speak,
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yeah, in a spiritual sense
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as well as in a literal
sense in the book of Daniel,
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we are in Daniel chapter 11
and we are at about verse 43,
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not that we're stuck there
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and we can't go
backwards if we need to,
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right, review a little bit,
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but 43, 44, 45 is going to take
us to the end of the chapter
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but not the end of the vision.
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The vision doesn't end
until Daniel chapter 12 verse 3,
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so, we've got three verses
in 11 and three verses in 12
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that are all connected together
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and then we'll be done
with this little section
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and we'll get into
chapter 12... 4 through 13
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which really is kind of
like a "close" if you will,
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you know, you've got your
prologue and your epilogue
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and this is going
to be the epilogue.
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It's kind of going
give Daniel instruction
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as to what's going to happen
to the visions he's been shown
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and that part that
he didn't understand
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and when they're going to be
kind of opened up or unsealed,
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they're going to be
sealed and then unsealed
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at a certain time in history,
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so, that's what
we've got left basically...
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there's still a
lot of information here
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and the reason this is so
important... well, two reasons,
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one is, a lot of this is
for our time and the future
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but we also need to remember
that we've got to be careful
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because it's
unfulfilled prophecy...
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we're not necessarily
going to be able to just say,
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"This is what it is... "
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like we've been doing
in... in past meetings,
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we've been able
to... nailed it down
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because we've been
looking at history past
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and lining up
with Bible prophecy.
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Here we're looking at a
lot of history... future...
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but if we can at least parallel
this to the book of Revelation
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and some of the
future prophecies there
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in Revelation 13
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and they can give us
a little bit of an idea
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as we connect the two
together of what's coming
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as it's outlined
here in Daniel 11.
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So, without further ado,
let's... let's start with prayer
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Yvonne, would you
like to pray for us?
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Yvonne: Sure, sure...
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"Dear Lord, we
thank You so very much
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once again for
bringing us together
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to study Your Word and
to learn these amazing,
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amazing truths
that You've placed here,
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so, we pray for the guidance and
leadership of Your Holy Spirit.
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We thank You once again
for all that You're doing...
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for who You are, in
Jesus' name, amen. "
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All: Amen.
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James: All right,
Daniel chapter 11...
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can you take us up here Jason
to verse 45... from 43 to 45?
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Jason: Sure thing,
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"He shall have power over the
treasures of gold and silver,
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and over all the
precious things of Egypt;
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also the Libyans and Ethiopians
shall follow at his heels.
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But news from the east and
the north shall trouble him;
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therefore he shall
go out with great fury
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to destroy and annihilate many.
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And he shall plant
the tents of his palace
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between the seas and
the glorious holy mountain;
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yet he shall come to his
end, and no one will help him. "
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James: Okay, in these verses,
we're seeing the consummation
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of a worldwide control...
economic control of all people,
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it's the same thing
we see in Revelation 13,
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it says there... the whole world
is going to follow the beast
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and it doesn't matter if you're
high or low... rich or poor...
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free or bond... you're going to
receive a mark in the forehead
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or in the hand... and no one is
going to be able to buy or sell
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unless they have this mark.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: And so, we
see a parallel there
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between Revelation
chapter 13 and Daniel chapter 11
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because Daniel
11 is talking about
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having control of
the gold and silver
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and precious things of Egypt...
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it's talking
about the Ethiopians
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which...
Ethiopia... we understand,
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a country in the
African Continent...
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the Libyans...
though that's in Africa...
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we think of the Middle
East when we think of Libya...
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we've already talked
about Egypt being a symbol...
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representation of Atheism...
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specifically here probably China
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and other Atheistic countries
that are still very strong...
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Communist countries
still very strong today...
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we talked in verse 40 of
the king of the south being USSR
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the symbolism of
the glorious land...
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you know, this land
flowing with milk and honey
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in the Old Testament...
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New Testament... we'd see
that as the United States...
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in Revelation chapter 13, we see
a beast coming out of the earth
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with two horns like a lamb...
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we identify that
as the United States,
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so, we've got a correlation
here between these two chapters.
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In fact, you could even say
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and just... just follow
me with this if you will...
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you could even say that
Revelation 13 is Daniel 13.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: Because,
think about this,
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Daniel chapter
2... Daniel chapter 7...
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Daniel chapter 4...
excuse me, chapter 7...
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Daniel 8... and Daniel 11
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all have the same basic outline,
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Babylon, Medo-Persia,
Greece, Rome, God's Kingdom...
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Babylon, Medo-Persia,
Greece, Rome, God's Kingdom,
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Medo-Persia, Greece,
Rome, God's Kingdom...
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Medo-Persia, Greece,
Rome, and God's Kingdom.
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When you go to
Revelation chapter 13,
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let's look at this real quick,
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Revelation
chapter 13 and verse 1,
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and, Yvonne, would you
read that verse for us,
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Revelation chapter 13 verse 1,
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or, verses 1 and 2...
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Yvonne: "Then I stood
on the sand of the sea,
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and I saw a beast
rising up out of the sea,
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having seven
heads and ten horns,
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and on his horns ten crowns,
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and on his heads
a blasphemous name.
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Now the beast which I
saw was like a leopard,
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his feet were like
the feet of a bear,
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and his mouth like
the mouth of a lion.
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The dragon gave him
his power, his throne,
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and great authority. "
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James: Okay, do you
recognize something here
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in these two verses
in relation to Daniel?
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Yvonne: Yeah, like the...
James: The leopard is there...
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Jason: Yeah.
James: Who else is there?
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Jason: Ah... Yvonne: The lion...
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James: The lion is there...
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Yvonne: Is the dragon there?
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James: The dragon...
terrible beast is there...
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the bear is there...
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the ten horns are
there with ten crowns...
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where do you remember
all of these animals...
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all of these symbols
in the book of Daniel?
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If we go back to
Daniel chapter 7,
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we have the lion... the bear...
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the leopard and
the terrible beast.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... Jason: Hmmm...
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if we go to Daniel 2,
we have the ten toes...
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Daniel 7 has the
ten horns with crowns...
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in other words, Revelation
13 is starting us back to...
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taking us back to Daniel
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and then it takes us further
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and shows us stuff
that Daniel never showed us.
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Yvonne: Right.
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James: Revelation 13 is
rehearsing the 42 months...
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the control of all the world...
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the deadly wound...
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in verse 3 it
talks about how he...
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let's just read
that verse real quick,
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"And I saw one of his heads
as it were wounded to death;
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and his deadly wound was healed:
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and all the world
wondered after the beast. "
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So, if you need a Daniel
13, you've got it right here...
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it's Revelation 13.
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If you need to know
what would happen...
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let's just say... Daniel's
vision ends in Revelation 12
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and then he seals it up
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but you'd like to
know what's going to happen
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if there was a Daniel 13...
just open to Revelation 13.
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What does God do?
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He says... Oh, let me just
re-cap Babylon, Medo-Persia,
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Greece and Rome in this beast
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and the ten horns
and the ten crowns
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and now let me show you
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how the beast
recovers from this deadly wound
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by being aided by another
power coming up out of the earth
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and that power which
happens to be a military power
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with military might...
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that power makes
an image to the beast
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and together they're able to
control the economy of the world
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so that no man can buy or sell
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unless they receive
the mark of that beast.
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Does that make sense?
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We know
Revelation 13 really well...
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Daniel 11... ah... not so well
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but when you go to Revelation 13
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and you let Revelation
13 interpret Daniel 11,
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ah, now it's
going to make sense.
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We can look for the same
things to happen in Daniel 11
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that we see taking
place in Revelation 13.
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Does that make sense?
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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So, we come to the end here
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and it's... it's very
similar to Revelation.
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He comes to his
end and none helps him.
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Now, before we get there,
verse 44... we touched on this
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but I think we should really
spend a little bit of time here,
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Ivor, what do you think as far
as the tidings out of the east
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and out of the
north that trouble him?
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Ivor: Yeah, let me do
this... let... let's...
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let's put verses
40 to 45 all together
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and just recap what's
happening there, right,
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we see the king of the
South which is symbolic of Egypt
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pushing against
the king of the north.
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We then see the king
of the north pushing back
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against the king of the South...
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the king of the North
being spiritual Babylon
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pushing back against the king
of the South which is Egypt.
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James: Well, the Egypt
representing Atheism, right?
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Ivor:
Representing Atheism, right,
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so, I'm just using the
terms: king of the South
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pushes at the
king of the North first
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then the king of
the North pushes back
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and overwhelms
the king of the South.
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James: Right.
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Ivor: Then he moves... he turns
his attention to God's people,
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right, he enters
into the glorious land
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and there we're
going to find that he...
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he's going to
set up, right, the...
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whatever these tabernacles are
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but the tidings...
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yeah, in verse 44, it's
tidings out of the North
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and out of the
East that trouble him
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and leading him to go forth
to set up these tabernacles etc.
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and this is when
he comes to his end.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: By Michael standing up
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who is the true
king of the North.
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James: Amen.
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Ivor: While Michael stands up,
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He's going to
deliver His people,
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right, everyone that is
found written in the book.
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If we go back to
Daniel chapters 1 through 5,
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we find that exact
history playing out
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because before
we get to Daniel 1,
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Egypt was trying to help
Jerusalem against Babylon
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and so, in fact, if you
read in Jeremiah 37 verse 5
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and I'll just go
ahead and read it,
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Jeremiah 37 verse 5...
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"Then Pharaoh's army
was come forth out of Egypt:
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and when the Chaldeans
that besieged Jerusalem
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heard tidings of them,
they departed from Jerusalem. "
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James: Hmmm...
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Ivor: So, here you have the...
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Egypt which is symbolic
of the king of the South
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coming against Babylon.
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In the next
verse, the Bible says:
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Then came the word of the
Lord unto the prophet Jeremiah,
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saying, "Thus saith
the Lord God of Israel,
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'Thus shall ye say
to the king of Judah,
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that sent you unto
me to enquire of me;
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"Behold, Pharaoh's army,
which is come forth to help you
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shall return to
Egypt, into their own land
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and the
Chaldeans shall come again
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and fight against this city,
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and take it and
burn it with fire. "'"
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James: Hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Babylon turns
to deal with Egypt...
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defeats them...
king of the North
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defeating the king of the South
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and then he turns his
attention to Jerusalem.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: Okay, so,
follow this history,
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Daniel 1... this
has already happened.
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Babylon has now taken Jerusalem
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and it's in Daniel chapter
1 that you see Nebuchadnezzar
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offering the wine of Babylon
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pause...
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remember what
happens in Daniel 1, right,
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they're given the
king's meat and his drink
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and remember
Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach...
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they're like, "No, we're not
drinking the wine of Babylon. "
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James: Right.
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Ivor: Okay, so look at
the history that's unfolding,
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Daniel... king of the North
defeats the king of the South
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then, turns his
attention to Jerusalem,
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then, enforces
the wine of Babylon
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and then we get
to Daniel chapter 2.
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In Daniel chapter 2...
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that's when
Nebuchadnezzar has this dream
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and in this dream,
I'm going to ask you,
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does he receive troubling news?
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Jason: Hmmm... hmmm...
Ivor: He gets troubling news.
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The troubling news is that
there is a kingdom after his
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that is going to destroy him.
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Now, remember how... how
Nebuchadnezzar is described.
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He's described
in... in the Old Testament
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as a king from the North.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: We read that in our
previous... the program, right?
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James: Ezekiel.
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Ivor: That Babylon... that
Nebuchadnezzar and Ezekiel,
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Nebuchadnezzar was coming,
he was the king of kings...
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very interesting title to
give Nebuchadnezzar, right?
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King of kings...
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that's the title that we
know that belongs to Jesus
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but king of kings...
a king from the North.
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So, what does this king
from the North hear in Daniel 2?
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He hears from Daniel who is
interpreting his dream for him
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that another kingdom will rise
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that will overthrow his kingdom.
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What kingdom is that? It's
the Medes and the Persians.
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Who was the leader of
the Medes and the Persians?
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It is Cyrus...
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James: The anointed.
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Ivor: The anointed
one. James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: Where are the
Medes and the Persians from?
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James: The East...
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Ivor: And...
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James: The North...
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All: Laughter...
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Ivor: Tidings out of
the North and the East...
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a kingdom is coming...
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"An anointed one is
coming Nebuchadnezzar...
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who's going to
overthrow your kingdom. "
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So, Nebuchadnezzar
goes into a rage...
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not in Daniel 2... in Daniel 3.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: What does he do?
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He plants or sets up an
image that represents Babylon
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and says, "Bow down
before this image. "
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You have three...
Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego
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who refuse to bow down
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and in his rage,
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he seeks to throw them
into this fiery furnace.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: Like you are... you
are watching the literal history
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unfold... which
Daniel 11 picks up
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and... and puts in a
symbolic and spiritual
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worldwide application.
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James: Yeah, what you're talking
about is verse 45 where he says,
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44... where he says,
"The tidings out of the east
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and the north shall trouble him:
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therefore he shall go forth
with great fury to destroy...
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utterly make away many... "
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so, when he threw those
three worthies in the furnace,
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he's trying to
destroy them with great fury.
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Ivor: He's... he's furious...
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the Bible actually
says he was furious,
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"What? They're not bowing?"
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James: Yeah.
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Ivor: So, remember
it's in Daniel chapter 5
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that Babylon falls to
the Medes and the Persians.
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The River Euphrates is dried up.
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James: Yeah.
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Ivor: Preparing the way
for the fall of Babylon.
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James: For the
kings of the East.
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Ivor: And the coming
of the kings of the East.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: All of this...
Daniel 11:40 to 45...
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when we... when we...
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when we parallel it with
the other events of Daniel...
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the first half of
the book of Daniel
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and Revelation 13, 14, 17, 18,
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we begin to see this
beautiful picture emerge
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where God is trying to show
us, "Look, I'm telling you...
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this is what's
going to happen. "
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James: Yeah.
00:16:26.92\00:16:28.25
Ivor: Trust Me... this
is what's going to happen,
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so, again, we are...
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we are still
seeing this conflict
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between Egypt and Babylon
unfold before our eyes, right?
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We're watching this
thing unfold right now.
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James: Yeah.
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Ivor: It's... people are...
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people are saying, "No,
man, Egypt is going to win. "
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Look... just look at
what's happening in America...
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"Egypt is going to win... "
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they don't know
they're saying that
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but that's what
they're saying. James: Right.
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Ivor: They're
saying... Egypt is going to win,
00:16:54.11\00:16:55.44
"Look at the
Secularism and all the...
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it's going to win... "
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and others are
saying, "No... no, no...
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Babylon is going to win... "
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and... and right now
you can't really tell.
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James: Hmmm... Yvonne:
Hmmm... James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: You see what
I'm saying? James: Yeah.
00:17:07.26\00:17:08.59
Ivor: Right now,
it's just like...
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James: Just like
when the USSR was around,
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you couldn't really tell.
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You have to go by the Bible
and follow what the Bible says.
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Ivor: You have
to go by the Bible
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and the Bible is telling
us... Listen to me, trust me...
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I don't care how powerful
Egypt is looking right now,
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Babylon is going to win.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... James: Yeah.
00:17:28.68\00:17:30.01
Ivor: And the
way it's going to win
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is when the one who is the
ultimate king of the North,
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and when I say "Ultimate"
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I'm talking
about outside of Jesus.
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When... when Satan
himself steps on the field,
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Egypt's going to bow.
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"How can we fight against
it, look at the miracles,
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I was an unbeliever,
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look at the
miracles... I believe now. "
00:17:49.93\00:17:51.27
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:17:51.30\00:17:52.80
Ivor: Everybody is deceived
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by this final move
of the king of the North
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and again,
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looking at what happens
in the first six chapters...
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first five chapters...
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gives us an
excellent idea of what happens
00:18:04.05\00:18:08.55
from verse 40... all the
way to Michael standing up
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in Daniel 12:1 to 3.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: So, we have
this pretty clear outline
00:18:16.56\00:18:18.79
in Daniel 11... and I
love the way you've applied it
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also to the
first part of the book
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because the history
of Babylon and its fall
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is all typical...
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it's all typifying what
we're seeing here in Daniel 11.
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It's like God is
putting two bookends on this,
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He's saying,
"Okay, go to the types
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and look at what
happened with Babylon
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and go to the book of Revelation
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and look at
what's happening there...
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there's some
clear stuff there...
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put those two together
and you've got a clear picture
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of what's happening
in Daniel 11:40 to 45.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Yeah, in fact
James, it's like... it's...
00:18:50.13\00:18:51.73
you know, when we
deal with Bible prophecy
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we typically
are in the last half
00:18:53.73\00:18:56.33
of the book of Daniel, right,
00:18:56.36\00:18:58.93
except for Daniel 2,
00:18:58.97\00:19:00.64
we're in the last
half of the book of Daniel,
00:19:00.67\00:19:02.87
7, 8, 9, 10, 11,
12... those are prophecy...
00:19:02.90\00:19:05.91
Daniel 2... yeah...
but Daniel 1, Daniel 2,
00:19:05.94\00:19:08.91
3, 4, 5, 6...
we're like, "Ahhhh... "
00:19:08.94\00:19:12.55
James: They're stories...
Ivor: Yeah, they're stories...
00:19:12.58\00:19:15.78
God is saying, "No... "
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even Daniel 6 where a
death decree is issued
00:19:17.19\00:19:22.32
against anyone who
prays to another God,
00:19:22.39\00:19:27.53
that is the culmination, right.
00:19:27.56\00:19:30.20
James: It is...
00:19:30.23\00:19:31.57
Ivor: Because,
yeah, death decree...
00:19:31.60\00:19:33.77
Daniel's put in the Lions' Den,
00:19:33.80\00:19:35.84
he's in a time of
trouble but guess what?
00:19:35.87\00:19:40.28
He comes up out
of that Den unscathed
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because he's
been delivered by God.
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James: And I really
think this is important, Ivor,
00:19:45.58\00:19:48.38
we need to recognize
that when Sunday Laws come,
00:19:48.42\00:19:50.89
when these religious
laws are imposed upon us,
00:19:50.92\00:19:53.36
Daniel chapter 2 talks about
00:19:53.39\00:19:56.52
being persecuted
for what we don't do
00:19:56.56\00:19:59.29
but Daniel... or Daniel 3...
00:19:59.33\00:20:01.16
Daniel chapter 6
talks about being persecuted
00:20:01.23\00:20:04.23
for what we do do,
00:20:04.27\00:20:05.80
we... we're praying...
00:20:05.83\00:20:07.30
and I think with...
with Sabbath Sunday...
00:20:07.34\00:20:09.54
it's okay for us
even as Adventists
00:20:09.60\00:20:12.87
to not work on Sunday.
00:20:12.91\00:20:15.24
We don't have to go
out and mow the lawn
00:20:15.28\00:20:16.68
or, you know, be
belligerent about Sunday Laws
00:20:16.71\00:20:19.11
and force ourselves...
00:20:19.15\00:20:20.48
we can do Bible Studies...
we can do cottage meetings...
00:20:20.52\00:20:21.92
we can do...
00:20:21.95\00:20:23.28
but there's coming a time
00:20:23.32\00:20:24.65
when we're going to be
persecuted for what we do do
00:20:24.69\00:20:26.12
and that is...
keeping the Sabbath
00:20:26.15\00:20:27.99
and that's going
to be the crux for us,
00:20:28.02\00:20:29.89
it's going to be the issue...
00:20:29.92\00:20:31.26
that's going to be
where the rubber, you know,
00:20:31.29\00:20:32.99
hits the road for us
00:20:33.03\00:20:34.56
and we see that same principle
in Daniel 3 and Daniel 6.
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So, we... we know that Satan
is working behind the scenes
00:20:38.63\00:20:42.60
through all these earthly powers
00:20:42.64\00:20:44.11
and he's going to do the
same thing in the end of time.
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What we want to
understand right now...
00:20:45.81\00:20:47.61
what we want to
discover right now for ourselves
00:20:47.64\00:20:49.41
and for our Viewers is,
00:20:49.44\00:20:50.95
how can we get
delivered from all this?
00:20:50.98\00:20:53.75
You know, it says...
00:20:53.82\00:20:55.15
Edom, Moab, and the
chief of the children of Ammon
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are delivered...
00:20:58.42\00:20:59.75
it says that God's
people are delivered...
00:20:59.79\00:21:01.32
can you read for us, Yvonne,
Daniel chapter 12 and verse 1?
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Yvonne: "At that time
Michael shall stand up,
00:21:05.06\00:21:08.20
the great prince
00:21:08.23\00:21:09.56
who stands watch over
the sons of your people;
00:21:09.60\00:21:11.80
and there shall
be a time of trouble,
00:21:11.83\00:21:14.10
such as never was
since there was a nation,
00:21:14.14\00:21:17.24
even to that time.
00:21:17.31\00:21:18.64
And at that time your
people shall be delivered,
00:21:18.67\00:21:21.54
everyone who is found
written in the book. "
00:21:21.61\00:21:24.65
James: Okay,
let's stop right there
00:21:24.68\00:21:27.55
and then, I just
want to emphasize
00:21:27.58\00:21:30.59
a couple of points right here,
00:21:30.62\00:21:31.95
God's people are delivered
in the time of trouble,
00:21:31.99\00:21:35.36
that's what it
says, right? Yvonne: Yeah.
00:21:35.39\00:21:36.73
James: It says, "At that time
thy people shall be delivered"
00:21:36.76\00:21:40.63
but notice the verse
doesn't end right there.
00:21:40.66\00:21:42.93
Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:21:42.96\00:21:44.30
James: The verse
doesn't end with,
00:21:44.40\00:21:45.73
"at that time... thy
people... " that would be...
00:21:45.77\00:21:47.10
that would be
great just to hear that.
00:21:47.14\00:21:48.47
"At that time, thy
people will be delivered... "
00:21:48.50\00:21:50.81
but it doesn't end right there,
what does it say after that?
00:21:50.84\00:21:52.34
Yvonne: Everyone
who's written in the book...
00:21:52.37\00:21:53.71
James: Everyone... everyone...
00:21:53.74\00:21:56.18
not just your
people but everyone
00:21:56.21\00:21:58.08
that's found
written in the book...
00:21:58.11\00:21:59.98
every single one of them.
00:22:00.02\00:22:01.48
Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:22:01.52\00:22:02.88
James: I just want to really put
an exclamation mark on that...
00:22:02.92\00:22:06.12
everyone...
00:22:06.15\00:22:07.49
in other words, not
one of God's people dies
00:22:07.52\00:22:10.89
after Michael stands up...
00:22:10.93\00:22:13.50
every one of them is delivered.
00:22:13.53\00:22:15.80
Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:22:15.83\00:22:17.17
James:
Everyone... nobody dies...
00:22:17.20\00:22:18.53
not one single person dies,
00:22:18.57\00:22:20.07
they're all delivered
in this time of trouble.
00:22:20.14\00:22:22.07
Sometimes we think
about the time of trouble,
00:22:22.10\00:22:24.34
we think, "Well, you
know, I might have to...
00:22:24.37\00:22:26.54
I might die, you
know, I might... "
00:22:26.57\00:22:28.14
no, you're not... not according
to the Bible, you're not.
00:22:28.18\00:22:30.45
Before that time, we know
there's going to be persecution,
00:22:30.48\00:22:32.41
we know there are people who's
going to be losing their lives,
00:22:32.45\00:22:34.12
because we... you know,
that's... but after that...
00:22:34.15\00:22:37.15
see, the blood of
martyrs is seed for the gospel
00:22:37.19\00:22:40.16
but when Michael stands
up and probation closes,
00:22:40.19\00:22:44.06
there's no more need for that,
00:22:44.09\00:22:45.89
in fact, it would please Satan
00:22:45.93\00:22:47.66
if he could kill some
of God's sealed people
00:22:47.70\00:22:49.96
after probation closes
00:22:50.00\00:22:51.33
and God's not
going to let him do it.
00:22:51.37\00:22:52.70
Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:22:52.73\00:22:54.07
James: It's just
not going to happen.
00:22:54.10\00:22:55.44
So, everyone is
going to be delivered...
00:22:55.47\00:22:57.34
who's found written in the Book
00:22:57.37\00:22:58.81
and that's the part
we want to hone in on.
00:22:58.84\00:23:00.68
Yvonne: So the
deliverance does not mean
00:23:00.74\00:23:02.54
ultimate deliverance,
00:23:02.58\00:23:04.15
it means, during
that time of trouble.
00:23:04.18\00:23:06.85
James: Yes.
00:23:06.88\00:23:08.52
Yvonne: And the time of
trouble, that's not referring to
00:23:08.58\00:23:11.75
something that's
already happened in the past,
00:23:11.79\00:23:13.72
that's what's
happening at the end.
00:23:13.76\00:23:15.56
James: Yes, when
Michael stands up.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: This is the time of
trouble such as never has been,
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this is going to be more
intense than the Dark Ages
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where 50 to a 100 million
Christians lost their lives.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: This is going to be
more intense than the flood,
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Noah's time...
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this is going to
be... the seven last plagues
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give us a picture of
what this is going to be like.
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You know, when
you go to Revelation,
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you see these different
pictures of islands fleeing away
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islands... yeah...
mountains, you know, falling
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and the great earthquake and
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hailstones about the
weight of a talent, you know,
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seventy pounds...
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then you start to get a picture
of the kind of desolation
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that's going to
take place on this earth,
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you know, darkness on the...
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the sun
scorching man, etc., etc.
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Then you get a picture
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of what's going to
be coming on this earth.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Jason: You look pretty
excited over there, Ivor...
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I'm... I'm
waiting to hear from you.
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All: Laughter.
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Ivor: I wanted
to add this in here
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because it's going back
to something James brought up
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about the Sabbath
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and it kind of sounds like
we just threw that in there...
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if you go back to
our previous programs,
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particularly the
book of Revelation,
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you'll see us discuss that
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but verse 45 where the
Bible says the king of the North
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will plant his tabernacles...
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James: between the seas...
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and the
glorious holy mountain...
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Ivor: Yeah, I
want you to notice this
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because in Exodus 15 verse 17,
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God's speaking
of His own people.
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The Bible says this,
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"Thou shalt bring them in
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and plant them in the
mountain of thine inheritance
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in the place, O Lord, which
thou hast made for Thee to dwell
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in the sanctuary, O Lord,
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which thy hands
have established. "
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James: Hmmm...
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Ivor: What the king of the
North is doing in Daniel 11:45
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is... he's
counterfeiting God's sanctuary
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and the reason that
is significant is because
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when you go to Revelation 15,
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the seven last plagues
are being poured out...
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the angels come from
out of the Most Holy Place
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in the sanctuary. James: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Why? In the Most
Holy Place of the sanctuary
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was the Ark of the
Covenant and the Manna.
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I want you to understand
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the Ark of the Covenant
points to the Law of God
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but the Manna was put there
as a reminder of what God did
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every seven days.
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It was a
reminder of the Sabbath,
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God rained bread
down for them on six days
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and on the seventh
day, there was none.
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This was a Sabbath test.
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James: Hmmm...
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Ivor: What's
happening in Daniel 11:45
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is Satan sitting on
the sides of the North
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which, by the way, is
the Table of Shewbread
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in the sanctuary.
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That's where the Table
of Shewbread was located,
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on the sides of the North,
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so, when you begin to understand
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the
significance of the sanctuary
00:25:59.39\00:26:01.42
in connection with what's
happening in Daniel 11:40-45,
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this whole thing of
the Investigative Judgment
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once again comes into
play in a very powerful way,
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it... it revolves
around the commandments of God,
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the testimony of Jesus
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and specifically
the Sabbath commandment.
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James: That's
powerful, you know,
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because when we look at this,
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we realize that, you
know, between the seas...
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in Revelation 17:15, the
waters represent peoples,
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nations, multitudes and tongues
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and the
glorious holy mountain...
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there are two
places in the New Testament
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that identify this
mountain as Mount Zion.
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Hebrews chapter
12 and Revelation 14
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that talks about the
144,000 on Mount Zion,
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so, what we see here is
the ultimate goal of Satan
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is to plant his tabernacles...
his royalty... his insignia...
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Ivor: His sanctuary.
00:26:51.61\00:26:52.94
James: Yeah, his
sanctuary between the seas...
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peoples, nations, multitudes
and tongues of this earth
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and Mount Zion the
glorious holy mountain
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where God reigns and
where his sanctuary is
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and all lot of people
get their vision on a literal
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you know, between the Dead
Sea and the Mediterranean Sea
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in this little...
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that's not what we're talking
about here in this context.
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We're talking about
a worldwide movement,
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it's entered into
the... Egypt in the South
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and the glorious
land and the Ethiopians
00:27:16.23\00:27:18.17
and the Libyans are
following him... it's worldwide
00:27:18.20\00:27:20.40
and it's all the
people's of the world
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and Satan trying to
skewer their vision from heaven
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and from God's
sanctuary where His law is...
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where the Manna is...
where the Mercy Seat is...
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where mediation is...
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where we find the gospel of
deliverance in Jesus Christ.
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That's the focus. Ivor:
It's repeat and enlarge...
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it's repeat and
enlarge. James: Yes.
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You all are hearing nothing new,
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we've been saying this
from Daniel 7 onward, right?
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James: Yeah.
00:27:42.26\00:27:43.59
Ivor: So, that's
the power of this...
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God is simply
repeating and zooming in
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and we're like, "Yeah, this
is what the other chapters said,
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we're on the right path. "
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James: Yeah... just
different symbols...
00:27:49.96\00:27:51.47
king of the
North... king of the South...
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different symbols...
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but the same basic message
each time, praise the Lord.
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Yvonne: Amen.
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