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James: Yes, we are
moving through Daniel 11.
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I... I have to say
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even though this is one of
the most difficult chapters,
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it's one of my
favorite chapters.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: I love Daniel 11
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especially as we
get into these verses
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that we're
heading into right now
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because while they're
difficult and challenging,
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there's so much here...
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there are some nuggets here
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that are really going to
be helpful for God's people
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especially in the end of time.
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So, we left off
in about verse 35
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and I think it would
be good to pick up at 36,
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we can always go
back a few verses
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so, we'll...
we'll... after we pray,
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we'll pick up in 36 and
we'll just try to understand
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what is
happening in these verses
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as it relates to Bible prophecy.
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So, Jason, would you
like to have a prayer for us
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as we start? Jason:
Sure... hmmm... hmmm...
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"Dear Heavenly
Father, we thank you so much
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for revealing to us your desire
for a relationship with us
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through these books...
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through the whole
Bible but through Daniel
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with the new covenant
and all of that as well.
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Father, we just ask
that you'll guide this study
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and help us to
understand what we're learning,
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in Jesus' name we pray, amen. "
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All: Amen.
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James: Thank you
Jason. Jason: Amen.
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James: So, let's
pick up here in Daniel 11,
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Ivor, can you read that verse
for us... Daniel 11 verse 36?
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Ivor: Right, verse 36,
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"And the king shall
do according to his will;
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and he shall exalt himself,
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and magnify
himself above every god,
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and he shall speak marvelous
things against the God of gods,
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and shall prosper till the
indignation be accomplished:
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for that that is
determined shall be done. "
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James: Now, this
is a challenging verse
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but we have a little bit of
Biblical help with this verse,
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Paul actually quotes from
this verse in the New Testament.
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There is some references
in 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2
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that we can look at
that will help us to identify
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who this king is
that's being talked about here
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in Daniel 11:36...
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2nd Thessalonians
chapter 2 what verses are they?
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Yvonne: Three and
four. James: Three and four,
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let's just look at those,
2nd Thessalonians 2:3 and 4.
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Yvonne: "Let no one
deceive you by any means;
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for that Day will not come
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unless the
falling away comes first,
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and the man of sin is
revealed, the son of perdition,
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who opposes and exalts himself
above all that is called God
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or that is worshiped,
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so that he sits as
God in the temple of God,
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showing himself
that he is God. "
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James: Now, this is a really
interesting section of Scripture
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in 2nd Thessalonians
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because if you look at the
whole... the whole section,
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Paul is talking
about two powers...
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they are one... just like we've
been talking about in Daniel,
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he's talking about
Rome in its pagan phase
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and in its Papal phase.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: Now, he doesn't
understand it in the Papal Phase
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He's simply saying,
"There's a man of sin coming
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and this Power that
we're presently under
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is going to be
taken out of the way
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and the man of sin
is going to be revealed
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and all he does... instead of
saying who that man of sin is,
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he gives us characteristics
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but you notice that
he is almost quoting
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Daniel 11 verse 36.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: It's almost
like a word for word quote,
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I mean, if you look at it here,
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there's no place else
in the entire Scripture
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that Paul can
actually be referencing
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when he
identifies the man of sin
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but Daniel 11 verse
36, "He exalts himself...
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sits in the temple of God
showing himself that he is God"
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Daniel chapter 11:36 says,
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"The king shall do
according to his will:
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he shall exalt himself
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and magnify
himself above every god,
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and speak marvelous things
against the God of gods. "
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
James: Isn't that amazing?
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Ivor: Hmmm... James:
The correlation there.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Hey James, I
got good news for you.
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James: Bring it.
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Ivor: That Daniel
7:25. James: Wooooh!
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Ivor: "He will
speak... " James: Yes.
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Ivor: I know some translations
put it as "boastful words
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against the Most High. "
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James: Yes. Yvonne: Right.
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Ivor: Revelation 13... I
believe it's verse... what?
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3 or 4... James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: Revelation
13... I'm pulling it up...
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verse 6... oh,
verse 5... verse 5,
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"And there was
given unto him a mouth
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speaking great things... "
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so, his mouth is
getting him in trouble.
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All: Laughter.
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James: With God.
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Ivor: With God. James: Yeah.
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Ivor: And in... in
both Revelation 13...
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Daniel 11...
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Thessalonians as
well as Daniel 7:25,
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it's all
identifying the same Power.
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James: Yes.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
James: Same Power.
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Ivor: And it's
identifying it by its mouth.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: Right, so
it not only thinks
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to sit in the temple of
God showing himself to be God,
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but the things... the
blasphemies that are spoken
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are an important
point here to identifying
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that this is the same
Power we're talking about
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from Daniel 11 verse 23 onward.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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and by the way,
when we look in the Bible
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we know that blasphemy is
identifying yourself as God
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because Jesus did that and
He was accused of blasphemy.
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Now, Jesus was God so He...
that was a wrong accusation
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and the second thing
that we find in the Bible is
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when Jesus claimed
the power to forgive sins
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and they accused
Him of blasphemy...
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"Who can forgive sins but God?"
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Now, Jesus was God
so He had that power
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but for a man to claim that...
and that's what the Papacy does.
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They claimed
through the Priesthood
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to be able to forgive sins
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and they claim for the Pope the
title of God Almighty on earth.
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"You're the Vicar of
Christ God Almighty... "
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so, we need to recognize
that this is what it means here
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when it says, "Blasphemy"
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this Power blasphemes or
speaks words of blasphemy...
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it's not... like
some people would think,
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"Well, it must be a
non-religious power... "
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a lot of people believe that
Antichrist is a power that...
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it's... it's non-religious...
it's... it's against God
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so it must be a
dark, bad, wicked, devil,
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you know,
worshipping power... no...
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the word "Anti"
actually in the Greek
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can mean "against" or it
can mean "in the place of"
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in the place of...
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and so, this power puts
itself in the place of God...
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is what Paul is
telling us in 2nd Thessalonians
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and that connects us back to
Daniel chapter 11 and verse 36.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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He's exalting himself above God
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putting himself
in the place of God.
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Yvonne: Wow!
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Ivor: And this...
this throws a lot of people
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because they expect Antichrist
to be some evil, wicked,
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you know, "Here I
am with my pitchfork"
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and... okay... so
that's easy for us to identify
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and... and so, people end up
looking in the wrong direction,
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in the wrong
place for Antichrist
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and that is part of
this... part of the deception.
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James: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: Paul warns about
this power in the book of Acts,
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I think it's 26... and he
says that from your own selves
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will men arise and seeking to...
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to draw men after themselves
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and that's the key right here.
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You know, I think this
is a virus in Christianity
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and that is self-exaltation
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and men seeking to
draw men after themselves
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and it's not necessarily a
virus that leaders and preachers
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are guilty of.
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You know, when Paul was writing
to the church in Corinth,
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he was talking to
the believers there
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who were "sanctified" in Christ
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and he was saying,
"But you're carnally minded
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because some of you
say, 'I'm of Apollos'
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some of you say, 'I'm of Cephas'
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and some of you
say, 'I'm of Paul. '"
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He said, "Isn't that carnal?
Aren't we all of Christ?"
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: Don't set yourself up
to be a follower of another man.
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Don't idolize a human
being no matter how much...
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because honestly,
God is using that person
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as an instrument to
bring you to God and to Christ
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and to the truth.
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It's not about that person
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because what
happens many times is
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when we started
idolizing people,
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God has to allow
that person to fall
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so that we can say, "Whoa, man!"
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and get our eyes off that person
and get them back on Jesus.
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Yvonne: Yes.
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James: So, do us a favor...
do all human beings a favor
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and keep your eyes on Christ.
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We see this in the
world... the secular world.
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We start
idolizing these Pop Stars
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and these Movie
Stars and these Rock Stars
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and you look at their lives
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and their lives
are just falling apart.
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Human beings
can't handle that...
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we cannot handle that.
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Yvonne: That is so true.
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James: And even the angel in
heaven in Revelation falls down,
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you know, John falls
down before the angel,
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you know what I'm talking about?
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Jason: Yeah, I was thinking...
I was thinking about it,
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it was like, "Oh
no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no... stand up...
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don't worship me. "
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James: "I've seen that...
I saw that up in heaven... "
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so... and that's what
Satan is trying to get us,
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you know, to stay in...
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is that whole idol self-worship
man-worship thing...
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that abomination
that makes us desolate.
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We've got to keep
our eyes on Jesus.
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Yvonne: That is so true...
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even with the
Human Potential Movement,
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you know, you can... and it...
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it's crept into Christianity too
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so, you can declare
and decree and it is so...
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as though you are God.
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No, we are not God... God is God
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and I think that is a real
problem today in Christianity,
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this whole Human Potential
Movement that, you know,
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declare and decree
and it is so... and...
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and it's as though
God must honor that
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because you've said it
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and... it's... it's very subtle.
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James: It's very subtle.
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Yvonne: But it's still putting
us in the position of God
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and God doing our bidding.
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No, it's like
Brrrrk... it's twisted.
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God is the
Creator... we are His creatures
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and so, I think, you know,
that whole Human Potential thing
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Satan is just very,
very shrewd and subtle and...
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and flipping things
just a little bit...
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just enough to make you think
it could be the right thing
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but it's not.
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James: You know, the
Bible tells us about this
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in 2nd Corinthians chapter
11, it says there in verse 2
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that Paul is concerned
for the Corinthian believers
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because he's afraid that just
like Adam and Eve were deceived
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by the subtlety of the serpent,
that they might be deceived
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when he comes and preaches
another Jesus... another gospel
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and another spirit.
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He says, "I'm afraid
you might bear with him... "
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Why? Well, because it's Jesus...
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well, it's
because it's the gospel...
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because he's talking
about the Holy Spirit.
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It's a religious guise
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and he says in verse
15 of 2nd Corinthians 11
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and Satan sends his ministers
as ministers of righteousness
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and no... no surprise there
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because he comes
as an angel of light.
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Ivor, you were saying, sometimes
we're looking for Antichrist
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to come as a dark,
wicked, pitchfork...
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no, he comes as
an angel of light
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so, this is really
significant for us...
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really important for us
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when we look at
the Antichrist here...
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the one who puts
himself in the place of God...
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what is he doing?
He's saying... he is God
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and he can forgive
and he's the God on earth
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and this is a religious movement
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that the whole world, we're
told is going to follow after.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
hmmm... James: Yeah.
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Ivor: Hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: Okay, we
see this in history
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because we know that the world
was basically under the control
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of the medieval church
during the Dark Ages...
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verse 37, "Neither shall he
regard the God of his fathers,
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nor the desire of
women, nor regard any god:
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but he shall
magnify himself above all. "
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: So, this church
claims Apostolic succession
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but it doesn't regard
the God of his fathers,
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you know, the
Apostles and Peter...
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they were God
alone and not man...
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and... and then it says,
"Nor the desire of women... "
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so, there's no... you
know, a woman in the Bible...
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that can apply to
marriage, for example,
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which God has given us as a
twin institution of the Sabbath
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and the... the pressure,
you know, to be celibate
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as a man or a woman... celibacy
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or it could apply
spiritually to other churches
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and no, we're not...
there's no other churches...
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only our church...
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either way, they're not
regarding anyone else...
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no other gods...
no other religions...
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none of the institutions
that God has instituted
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at least, I
shouldn't say, "none"
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but the main institutions
God has instituted...
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marriage and the
Sabbath are all being undermined
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by this System and it applies...
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you can see it apply
in history, it's so clear.
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Ivor: James, if we... if we
just look back at the verses
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that we looked at
in the previous program
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where we talked about, you know,
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the persecution of the
saints during the Dark Ages.
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James: Yeah.
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Ivor: One of the reasons
they were being persecuted
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was because they
identified the Papacy
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as this very power
spoken of in Bible prophecy.
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James: Okay. Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Right, so, that's just...
what we're seeing here...
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this is not, you know, a
private interpretation...
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people died for
exposing this power
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as a... as a power that was
sitting in the place of God.
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James: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: For man, that was
attempting to usurp authority
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that did not belong to them.
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James: And the question
we might want to ask here is,
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why were people willing to die?
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I mean, Martin Luther
was willing to die for that
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and Huss and Jerome and...
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why were people willing to die
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just to expose this power?
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Just to say,
"Well, that's a bad power
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and you shouldn't have
anything to do with it... "
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no, when you look at the lives
of these men like Martin Luther,
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he agonized with God.
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For years, he tried to
find peace with God and...
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and to get his guilt
removed and he struggled,
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you know, he
walked up the stair cases,
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he... he lashed his
back till he was bleeding...
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he... he denied himself
until he would faint from hunger
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in a... in a hermit's cell...
I mean, in a monk's cell...
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he... he was trying to find
peace with God and never could
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until he
discovered a Bible chained
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to the pulpit in a chapel
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and he began reading
the pages and he said,
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"Oh, if only I could
have such a book... "
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and as he read the
pages, he discovered Christ...
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he discovered
righteousness by faith.
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He discovered that the
just shall live by faith
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and it changed his life.
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His conscience was
captive to the Word of God.
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He could do...
he never wanted...
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he didn't want to
leave the church...
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he didn't want to expose Rome,
he didn't want to do any of that
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but when he saw Rome
contradicting the Bible...
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contradicting the gospel...
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undermining Christ
and Him crucified...
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when he saw that
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and when he realized
the peace that he had
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and when he saw
other people struggling
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the way he was struggling
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and he knew that he had
the words and experience
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to free them,
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he couldn't help but
expose what was wrong
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and I think it's going
to be the same with us.
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We can't just have an
intellectual understanding
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of all this history
and say, "Oh yeah, look,
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this just means this
and this means this... "
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it's got to mean
something in our hearts
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because in the end
of time, we won't stand
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unless it means
something to us personally...
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unless we've been personally
delivered by Jesus Christ,
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we're not going to be able
to stand up against this power
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like Martin Luther did and
like Jerome did and Huss did
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even unto death it
says in Revelation 2:10.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: Amen.
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Yvonne: Isn't it interesting
how he was so high up
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and involved in the church
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and he had not read
the Bible for himself.
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I think that's a
really important point for us
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that we cannot take
anybody else's word for it,
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we have to read it ourselves.
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James: Even if they're scholars.
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Yvonne: Even if
they're scholars.
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James: Martin
Luther was a scholar
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as he understood the
Bible. Yvonne: Yes, yes.
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James: There are a lot of
Biblical Scholars today...
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I... I know... I have a
friend who went to Cambridge,
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he, you know, got into Yale,
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yeah, he did his Theological
degree in both of those places
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and he said...
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Ivor: Hey, I
have that same friend.
00:16:01.86\00:16:03.19
James: Yeah, you do...
I won't mention his name
00:16:03.22\00:16:05.96
to say J. R. because
those are my initials
00:16:05.99\00:16:09.03
so it sounds really cool
00:16:09.06\00:16:10.60
but he was, you
know, basically saying that
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most of the people in his
class don't believe in God.
00:16:13.13\00:16:15.47
They're there getting
a Theological degree...
00:16:15.50\00:16:17.87
they don't believe in God
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I asked him,
"Why are they there?"
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They're there because
they want that degree,
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they're there because
they want that pedigree,
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they're there because they
want to be able to be called
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"Bible Scholars. "
00:16:25.61\00:16:26.95
"I've looked at the
Bible... I've checked it out...
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I know inside and out... I
know Greek... I know Hebrew"
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and... and it's true.
00:16:29.72\00:16:31.19
Yvonne: To
disprove? Are they like...
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James: Just to
have that education...
00:16:33.72\00:16:35.66
just to have
that... those letters,
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just to be able to
say what they say...
00:16:37.29\00:16:38.63
maybe to
disprove... I don't know...
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I'll... I'll
give you an example,
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I remember a CNN Blog
in 2014, I believe it was,
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I've got the
reference from a "Scholar"
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that was talking
about the book of Revelation
00:16:48.67\00:16:50.27
and they said basically,
00:16:50.31\00:16:51.91
"Jesus is neither seen
in it nor known in it. "
00:16:51.94\00:16:54.74
The plan of salvation...
Yvonne: The book of Revelation?
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James: Yeah, the plan
of salvation is not there
00:16:56.88\00:16:58.35
and this was a Biblical Scholar,
so, they've got the degree
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and they're being
quoted on a CNN Blog
00:17:01.42\00:17:03.79
and they said,
00:17:03.82\00:17:05.15
"The salvation... the
gospel is not mentioned there. "
00:17:05.19\00:17:07.82
We opened up to
Revelation chapter 1 verse 5,
00:17:07.86\00:17:09.66
"Who loved us and washed us from
our sins in His own blood. "
00:17:09.69\00:17:12.56
Boom... there's the
gospel. Yvonne: Yes.
00:17:12.59\00:17:14.16
James: It's the
revelation of Jesus Christ.
00:17:14.20\00:17:15.73
They said, "It
just drips with blood
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and reveals a God who's out...
vindictive and out to just... "
00:17:17.70\00:17:21.04
you know, and a lot of
people see Revelation that way.
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Why? Well, look
at these scholars.
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You know,
they've got their degree
00:17:25.97\00:17:27.94
but they don't have
this relationship with Jesus
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so, they can't find Him.
00:17:29.91\00:17:31.25
You find what
you're looking for...
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let me tell you, I love Jesus...
00:17:32.68\00:17:34.02
when I read Revelation,
I'm looking for Jesus.
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Yvonne: Yes. James:
I'm looking for the Lamb
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and I find Him... He's there.
00:17:37.22\00:17:38.65
Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:17:38.69\00:17:40.02
but when you don't
have that relationship,
00:17:40.06\00:17:41.39
you know, the Bible says,
00:17:41.42\00:17:43.83
"Spiritual things are
spiritually discerned. "
00:17:43.86\00:17:45.63
Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
James: You've got to have that.
00:17:45.66\00:17:47.30
You can only be
qualified by His Spirit
00:17:47.33\00:17:49.73
and then you get the
education to follow it up.
00:17:49.76\00:17:51.97
I'm not trying to say
that education is bad,
00:17:52.00\00:17:54.14
I think education is powerful,
I think it can be really good
00:17:54.17\00:17:56.60
but without...
00:17:56.64\00:17:57.97
education in the Bible
I'm talking about now...
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without that
spiritual connection with God,
00:18:00.04\00:18:02.21
it can be very detrimental...
00:18:02.24\00:18:03.58
very damaging
to a lot of people.
00:18:03.61\00:18:05.01
Yvonne: Yes... yes.
00:18:05.05\00:18:06.38
Ivor: Yeah, let's
build on that for a second
00:18:06.41\00:18:08.68
because this is exactly
what happened in the Dark Ages
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right, when you have "Scholars"
00:18:13.72\00:18:19.29
and "Teachers of the Word"
00:18:19.33\00:18:22.40
who are doing the
things that the Church did
00:18:22.43\00:18:27.00
during the Dark Ages,
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"We will burn you
at the stake" right...
00:18:28.40\00:18:30.77
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:18:30.81\00:18:32.97
Ivor: They are in
essence saying to the world,
00:18:33.01\00:18:36.34
"This is the
God that we serve. "
00:18:36.38\00:18:38.61
James: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:18:38.65\00:18:39.98
Ivor: Right. James: Yeah.
00:18:40.02\00:18:41.72
Ivor: And the
reason why God's name
00:18:41.75\00:18:44.72
has been so blasphemed
around the world, right,
00:18:44.75\00:18:49.92
the reason why to this day
there are Atheists and people
00:18:49.96\00:18:54.06
who just totally,
like, "We hate the Bible... "
00:18:54.10\00:18:57.03
you know, a lot
of it goes back to
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what we're reading here
in Daniel 11:23 so far to 39.
00:19:00.24\00:19:06.27
James: Yeah. Ivor: Right,
00:19:06.31\00:19:07.64
when you have a Power that
professes to be molded by God...
00:19:07.68\00:19:10.05
clay...
00:19:10.08\00:19:11.41
and yet it is mingled
with iron... the world.
00:19:11.45\00:19:16.08
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:19:16.12\00:19:17.45
Ivor: It is... it is...
it is not glorifying God
00:19:17.49\00:19:21.06
but instead it... it basically
has the spirit of the world.
00:19:21.09\00:19:26.26
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:19:26.29\00:19:27.63
Ivor: What ends up happening
is other people see that
00:19:27.66\00:19:30.90
and their response to it is,
00:19:30.97\00:19:32.83
"We want nothing to
do with the Bible. "
00:19:32.87\00:19:35.14
James: Yes,
yeah. Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:19:35.20\00:19:36.71
Ivor: We are going to...
00:19:36.74\00:19:38.07
we're going to
put the Bible to death
00:19:38.11\00:19:39.44
for three and a half days,
00:19:39.47\00:19:42.58
right, we are going to reject
everything about Christianity
00:19:42.64\00:19:45.38
which is... we're going to see
00:19:45.41\00:19:47.85
that that is exactly
what happens in verse 40.
00:19:47.88\00:19:50.49
James: Yes.
00:19:50.52\00:19:51.85
Ivor: When we get to
this "Power" called the
00:19:51.89\00:19:54.49
king of the South,
00:19:54.52\00:19:55.86
we're going to
see that that's the...
00:19:55.89\00:19:57.43
and this is what Satan is after.
00:19:57.46\00:19:59.06
If he can make our relationship
with God look crazy,
00:19:59.09\00:20:03.37
well, who wants a
relationship with God?
00:20:03.40\00:20:05.33
James: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:20:05.37\00:20:07.24
Ivor: "If a
relationship with God means
00:20:07.27\00:20:08.70
what I'm seeing in you...
00:20:08.74\00:20:10.37
what I'm seeing what
happened in the Dark Ages,
00:20:10.41\00:20:12.14
then, no thank you, I don't
want to serve a God like that. "
00:20:12.17\00:20:15.28
James: Yeah.
Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:20:15.31\00:20:16.68
James: Good point,
Ivor, really good point.
00:20:16.71\00:20:19.81
We need to look
at these principles
00:20:19.88\00:20:21.22
and see how they apply to us
00:20:21.25\00:20:22.58
in... in that vein...
00:20:22.62\00:20:24.95
because this is all
about God's character.
00:20:24.99\00:20:27.12
It's about vindicating
God and glorifying God
00:20:27.16\00:20:30.39
and there's going to be a
lot of people in the end of time
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Matthew 7:21 to 23 says,
00:20:32.19\00:20:34.46
"You say, Lord, Lord, haven't
we prophesied in Your name
00:20:34.50\00:20:37.70
and in Your name done
many wonderful things?
00:20:37.73\00:20:39.47
We fed the poor and we've
taken care of the orphans...
00:20:39.50\00:20:41.40
we've done all these works... "
00:20:41.47\00:20:42.80
and in a lot of religions,
there are a lot of works
00:20:42.84\00:20:45.37
but not necessarily the
works that God is calling us to.
00:20:45.41\00:20:49.94
You know, Samuel rebuked
Saul and basically told him
00:20:49.98\00:20:54.48
because Saul had
offered a sacrifice to God
00:20:54.52\00:20:56.65
without Samuel's
presence and he said,
00:20:56.69\00:20:58.02
"You know, to obey is
better than sacrifice. "
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So, obedience is
vital when you look at this
00:21:00.39\00:21:02.82
obeying the Word of God...
00:21:02.86\00:21:04.19
you can do all these things
00:21:04.23\00:21:05.56
but if you're not
obeying the Word of God,
00:21:05.59\00:21:06.93
you know, "In
vain you worship Me,
00:21:06.96\00:21:08.76
teaching for doctrines
the commandments of men
00:21:08.80\00:21:10.33
and your traditions. "
00:21:10.37\00:21:12.00
Okay, let's read
the next two verses,
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Jason, can you read these next
two verses... verses 38 and 39
00:21:13.44\00:21:16.97
and we're going to wrap
this up and move into verse 40.
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Jason: Okay, "But in their place
00:21:20.11\00:21:21.91
he shall honor a
god of fortresses;
00:21:21.94\00:21:24.51
and a god which his
fathers did not know
00:21:24.55\00:21:27.22
he shall honor
with gold and silver,
00:21:27.25\00:21:29.82
with precious
stones and pleasant things.
00:21:29.85\00:21:31.85
Thus he shall act
against the strongest fortresses
00:21:31.89\00:21:35.06
with a foreign god,
which he shall acknowledge,
00:21:35.09\00:21:38.26
and advance its glory;
00:21:38.29\00:21:41.70
and he shall cause
them to rule over many,
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and divide the land for gain. "
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James: Do you hear all
the language in those verses?
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Fortresses...
gold... silver... advancing
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and dividing
the land for gain...
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it's a temporal power that
this religious power is using.
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It's using temporal
prosperity and temporal things
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to push its way
forward and to gain control,
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do you see that?
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That's what the
church did in the Dark Ages.
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It was all about intrigue...
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it was all about being
connected with the right kings
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and the right ruler...
it was all about politics...
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we're getting
to... to our present time
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and like Ivor said...
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this completely turned
people away from religion
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until finally, it exploded
out in the country of France
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and we talked about
this in our Revelation Series
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and I really encourage Viewers
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to go back to
the Revelation Series
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in Salvation, Symbols and Signs
specifically on Revelation 11
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because we're not going
to have time to expound upon
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this Atheistic
Power that rose up
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out of all of this
misrepresentation of God.
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It rose up and it was caused
by this misrepresentation.
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In other words, bad Christianity
drives people away from God...
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drives people away
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because it misrepresents
what God is really like
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and so, in the time
of the end, verse 40 says
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this king of the
South will push at him.
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Now, the king of the South...
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that word "South" is translated
in some versions of the Bible
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as Egypt... and it is
defined in Isaiah 30:1 through 6
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as the Nation of Egypt.
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Whenever we talk about the
South in the Old Testament,
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it was always referring
to Egypt... Egypt... Egypt...
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and Egypt,
according to Exodus 5 verse 2,
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was a power who
denied God's existence...
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"Who is God that I should
obey Him and let His people go?
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I don't know God, neither
will I let this people go. "
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Jason: Hmmm...
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James: And so, God is
using this symbol here
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to identify an Atheistic
Power that would push or war
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against this religious power
in the time of the end... 1798
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and that's exactly what happened
when you look at Bible prophecy.
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1798... Napoleon's in control
of France or rising up in France
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sends his General Berthier...
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he goes down into
Italy... into Rome
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and he takes the Pope captive
and he dies in captivity...
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inflicts the deadly
wound into the Papacy
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and it loses its Civil
Power... it loses its strength
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and then we're
told in Revelation 13...
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he's wounded but
the wound is healed
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and we see that...
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in one verse, we have
the wounding and the healing
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in prophecy in Revelation 13:3.
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Ivor: And James,
let's just jump back
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and remember that
the French Revolution
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was a rejection of
Christianity, right...
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James: Of fallen Christianity.
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Ivor: Of the incorrect...
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the picture that
they got of Christianity,
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they were like,
"No... we reject this. "
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James: Yes.
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Ivor: That's what the French
Revolution leading up to 1798...
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the Papacy being
given a deadly wound
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which was in essence the
separation of its arms...
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if you go back to
Daniel 11 verse 31,
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"And arms shall
stand on his part... "
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that was done away with, right,
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when... when... when the Papal
States were abolished in 1798,
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they no longer had the military
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that they had access
to before that, right?
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In order to inflict this
punishment and all these things,
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this came as a result
of the French Revolution
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in which people
were basically saying,
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"We are fed up with the
Papal Rule... with religion"
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and they totally...
they burned the Bible
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and again, we talked about this
in our study on Revelation 11,
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but we're not pulling
France out of the air, like,
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"How did you get France?"
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No, that is the Nation...
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the time of the end is
the end of the 1260 years.
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That is the nation
that came into prominence
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with this rejection of
Christianity at that time.
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That is the Nation...
by the way, it was Clovis
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James: Yes! just
thinking that, come on.
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Ivor: I will wait,
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that was the first to
give the Papacy its sword...
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it's my fist here... but
they gave the Papacy its sword
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and basically set
it up... set it up...
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we'll get more to this
in the next... in Daniel 12
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but gave it it's
ability to begin to persecute...
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James: The arms...
Ivor: The arms and 1200 and...
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at the end of the
1260, it's that same France
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that took away its sword.
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"He that kills
with a sword must be...
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or wounds with a sword
will be wounded with a sword...
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killed with a sword must
be killed with a sword... "
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this is what's happening
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as we begin to combine
Revelation 13... Revelation 11
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with Daniel 11... it...
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God is bringing... is
showing us from multiple angles
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that He's dealing with
the same thing here and...
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and this is a
verification of the truth...
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of the... of the Scriptures.
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James: Yes, so when
you go back to verse 35,
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the
persecution... it says there...
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"some of them shall fall...
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of understanding shall fall,
to try them, and purge them,
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and make them white,
even till the time of the end"
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do you see that?
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The persecution will continue
even till the time of the end,
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then when we get
to the time of the end
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and, of course, Berthier goes
in and he takes the Pope captive
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and that's when we see the
deadly wound being inflicted...
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that's when we see the
persecution coming to an end...
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a sudden end
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and then we're going to move
into this time-of-the-end period
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when we see some
things happening in verses 40
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and onward that are
actually present truth.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: And James, it's important
for us to mention as well
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that this king of the
South is present today.
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James: Yes. Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: The French
Revolution is a pivotal point...
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even in American history, right,
00:27:31.11\00:27:33.98
and a lot of the
Atheistic tendencies
00:27:34.02\00:27:38.22
that we see in our Nation today
00:27:38.25\00:27:40.79
rise out of the
French Revolution.
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James: Yeah, Atheistic...
Secular... Communistic...
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Marxist... it's
all alive right now...
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it's all alive right now.
00:27:49.26\00:27:50.60
Ivor: That is... that is
king of the South right there,
00:27:50.63\00:27:54.67
so, that's
important to understand
00:27:54.70\00:27:56.20
as we move into
Daniel 11 verse 40.
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James: Absolutely,
so, we've run out of time
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but we're... we're on
the edge of our seat...
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I'm just going to
take this jacket off
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and be ready to go.
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All: Laughter.
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