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James: All right, so here
we are in Daniel chapter 11
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and we're on our third session.
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It's a big chapter, so
it's going to take at least,
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I'm going to say, at least four
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so, we're going to
do at least another one.
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This one... we're
going to look at verses...
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where we left off in verse 33
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but we might just
summarize a little bit here
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and then, pull through all
the way hopefully to verse 39
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and then in our next session,
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we're going to have to
go through verses 40 to 45
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because that's going to
be a big chunk right there
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and then we'll need
another session or two, maybe,
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for Daniel chapter 12
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but, before we summarize a
little bit and jump right in,
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Jason, would you like to
lead us in a word of prayer?
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Jason: Sure...
"Dear Heavenly Father,
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we thank You for the
opportunity to study Your word
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and Lord, we just ask that You
would guide this study, Lord,
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help us to...
well help us to learn
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and help Pastor
Rafferty and Pastor Myers
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to really just
break it down for us,
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in Jesus' name we pray, amen. "
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All: Amen.
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James: So, just to
summarize it a little bit
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of what we've seen here in these
first... this first section
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that deals with the rise
of Pagan Rome and Papal Rome,
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we've... we've honed
in in our last meeting
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on the new covenant
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and we talked about
how that's a summary
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of the previous chapters...
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that the previous
chapters are talking about
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the attack on God's law...
the attack on the sanctuary...
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the mediation of
Christ for forgiveness of sins
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but also an attack on
the other elements of the...
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of the new covenant which...
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the Holy Spirit
teaching us all things
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and anointing us
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so that we don't
have to depend on man
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but we depend on
God and... and...
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also, the power of
God... I'm going to do this...
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I'm going to do this...
and then relationship with God.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: Relationship so
that we're His God and...
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and... excuse me, He's our
God and we're His people...
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: And I think
relationship is huge, you know,
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to me, the new
covenant is all out relationship
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and we see that
here in Daniel chapter 11
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because, I don't think there's
anything more challenging
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for the human psyche
today than relationship.
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Jason: Hmmm...
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James: You know, we want to have
relationships with things...
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we want to have
relationships with media...
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we want to have relationships
with material objects...
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cars and houses... even careers
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or, we have relationships...
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we do everything to
avoid relationships with people
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because our
relationships with people
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mess us up...
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you know, we get disappointed...
we have high expectations...
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people today are
messed up or dysfunctional...
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we're fallen... we're selfish
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and so, we mess each
other up in these relationships
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and so, we're doing in Society
today almost everything to avoid
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deep-meaning
relationships with people
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and it comes with
psychological baggage
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and it's difficult for
us to maneuver through that
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but what God is saying is,
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"I want you to have a
relationship with me... "
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Yvonne: Yes... James: And...
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Jason: That... you just
touched on something that's...
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that's huge... like,
what jumped out at me was
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like, when people go to
churches and they meet people
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that are supposed to be
Christians and following God
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and they give a horrible
representation of His character.
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That's why, we need
to be plugged in to God,
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like, we need to have
that relationship with God
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and not follow man
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because there are so many
people that have left the church
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because they come into contact
with these people, so that is...
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James: It's huge! it
is huge... Jason: Yeah.
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James: And you've got to know
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that Satan is the
one that's doing this.
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He is the one that
wants to disappoint people
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in human relationships
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but we need to have
a vertical relationship
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before we have a
horizontal relationship.
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We have vertical relationship...
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we're not going to be
overwhelmed by disappointment
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in our horizontal relationships.
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All: Hmmm...
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James: In fact, we will be
able to feed into other people
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and this is
exemplified over and over again
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in the life of Daniel.
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For example, in Daniel chapter 2
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he goes into prayer for an
understanding of the vision...
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all the wise men of Babylon
are going to be killed, right?
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Yvonne: Right.
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James: And when he
comes out of that prayer,
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he says, "You know,
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we need to pray that God
would give us understanding
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so we don't perish with the
rest of the wise men of Babylon"
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that's what he actually says.
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When he comes out he says,
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"Destroy not the
wise men of Babylon... "
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he's all about them...
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so, you know, those men
didn't care about Daniel
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and they wouldn't have cared
if their situation was reversed
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but when we have a
relationship with God,
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we start caring
about other people
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and we start
caring about them in a way
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that their
fallenness doesn't mess us up.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: Their fallenness
doesn't cause us to stumble...
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we stay connected with God
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and we're able to maneuver
those earthly relationships
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the way that Jesus
maneuvered His relationships...
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the way that He
navigated through life
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and could say on the
cross, "Father, forgive them
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for they know not
what they're doing. "
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Yvonne: Yes.
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James: And ultimately,
that's what we're going to find
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when we connect
Daniel 12 with Revelation 10,
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we're going to find
that these time prophecies
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that are in Daniel
12... we're not there yet...
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are all going to fade away
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and what's going
to take the place
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is this revelation
of the mystery of God
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which is Christ in
us... the hope of glory.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: That's what we're going
to see is the ultimate goal
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of the prophecies of
Daniel and Revelation
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as we get to the
very end of time.
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So, so... Ivor,
we're going back in here...
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Ivor: Let... James: Go ahead...
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Ivor: Let me just
jump in real quick here...
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this is key to understand what
you talked about relationships.
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God has a Relationship Room.
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James: Hmmm...
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Ivor: You may not know
what a Relationship Room is...
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you probably don't
because I just made that up.
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All: Laughter.
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Ivor: The Relationship
Room or we might say,
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the Relationship
Building is the Sanctuary.
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James: Amen. Yvonne: Ah.
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Ivor: In Exodus 25 verse 8,
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God tells Moses, "Let
them make me a sanctuary
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that I may dwell among them... "
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which is God basically saying,
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"I want to have a relationship
with you... " right?
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"I want to come and
dwell with you and...
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and have that... that
relationship with you... "
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so, when we read, for
example, in Daniel 11 verse 31,
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"An arm shall stand on his part,
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and they shall pollute
the sanctuary of strength... "
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James: Yes!
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Ivor: Again, we now
know we're talking about
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the Little Horn
here. James: Yes.
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Ivor: What the Little
Horn is trying to do is
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he's trying to
destroy relationships.
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James: Oh! I love this.
Ivor: Right? James: Yeah.
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Ivor: He's trying to
destroy relationships...
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
Ivor: And here's the thing...
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when you go into the
Relationship Building
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which is the sanctuary...
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James: Yes... come on, Ivor...
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Ivor: The holy covenant is
found in the Most Holy Place.
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James: Yes.
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That's where the covenant is...
it's in the Most Holy Place
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and all the other
articles of furniture
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that are symbolic of different
stages of the plan of salvation
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all lead to
relationship with God, right?
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James: Yes.
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Ivor: The Altar of Sacrifice...
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it... it creates
that love relationship...
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we love Him
because He first loved us
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and how did He love us?
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He laid His life
down for us, right,
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the Laver is about washing away
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everything that gets in
our way between us and God.
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Ivor: The Table of Shewbread...
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let us fellowship
over the Word of God...
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God is trying to
fellowship with us.
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The Altar of Incense...
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He wants to get to know us
in an intimate level, right?
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Us opening our hearts to God
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as opening the
heart to a friend.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: The candlestick, right,
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He wants a fiery
passionate relationship with us
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and then that covenant, right,
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the Ark of the Covenant
that holds the Law of God...
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"If you love me...
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these are the things
that you should be doing
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and these are the things
that you will be doing... "
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so, this Little Horn Power
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of whom Satan is
ultimately behind that Power,
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right, he is ultimately seeking
to destroy relationships,
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right?
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James: Make them desolate...
Ivor: Make them desolate...
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: And... and watch
this... in verse three...
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James: It makes it desolate...
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Yvonne: Okay...
Ivor: It makes it desolate.
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James: It's just
simple, it's simple.
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Ivor: In verse 32, it says,
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"such as do wickedly
against the covenant,
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he shall
corrupt by flatteries. "
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Jason: Hmmm... James: Huge!
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Ivor: This is
really interesting because
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if you are in a relationship...
you're in a marriage...
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you know, and some
other woman or some other man
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is trying to get at you
and destroy your relationship,
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what are you going to do?
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James and Ivor:
They're going to flatter you...
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James: Yeah. Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Right,
they're going to flatter you
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and so, here the Little
Horn is corrupting by flattery
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in order to destroy
relationships with God
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and I just think about
certain things like, you know,
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"Hey, you don't
need to keep the law
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because you're under grace. "
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You know, "God
loves you and so...
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you're... you're
free to do whatever... "
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I mean, there's so many
different ways in which that has
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that has manifested itself today
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with a false gospel, right,
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a counterfeit gospel
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that puts merit
in either our works
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or whatever else you
might think that leads you
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away from doing
what God said to do.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: Leads you away
from the Word of God.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: And so, what you
see happening in verse 31
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and verse 32, is...
is extremely connected
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to relationships with
God... to relationship with God
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and that's why he
attacks the sanctuary...
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that's why he
seeks to cast it aside
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because he knows
that the relationship...
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that... that... that
the... the Relationship Building
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ultimately brings
about at-one-ment.
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James: Amen. Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: with God...
James: I love that.
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Ivor: Atonement with
God. James: I love that...
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I love that Sanctuary Room
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because that makes so much sense
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when you read it in here...
it says that he is going to...
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verse 31... "An arm
shall stand on his part,
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he shall pollute the
sanctuary of strength... "
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the meeting room... right?
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James: And take
away the daily...
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do you remember what we dis...
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we determined the "daily" was
when we went through Scripture?
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Jason: Continual...
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James: The continual
regular connection with God...
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the continual... lampstand...
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that was
lighting the Holy Place...
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the continual
offering that was made...
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all of this sanctuary service
was wrapped around this word
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the "daily" or the continual
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and it... it points
to relationship with God
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and dependence on God...
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he's going to take away
that relationship with God
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the dependence on God
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and he's going
to put in its place
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the abomination
that makes desolate.
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What's the abomination?
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Anything that replaces God...
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any man-made
thing that replaces God
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and the ultimate revelation...
the abomination of desolation
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is putting Sunday as a day of
worship in the place of Sabbath
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why... why?
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Because Sabbath is the epitome
of relationship with God.
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James: Hmmm... Yvonne: Right.
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James: It's... it's the
epitome of relationship with God
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because on Sabbath,
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we are commanded to let
go of everything secular...
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everything earthly...
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even our own thoughts...
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and to completely
connect with God...
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to completely tie in with
that relationship with God,
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do you see that?
Jason: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: And so the ultimate
abomination of desolation
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spoken of by Daniel the prophet
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is removing God and
putting man in His place,
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whether it's God's laws
being taken out of the way
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and man's laws
being put in there...
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God's mediation
being taken out of the way
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and man's
mediation put in there...
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God's Word being taken out...
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so, the abomination of
desolation in principle
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applies to putting
man where God should be.
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Yvonne: Ah.
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James: Man's law
where God should be.
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Ivor: And James...
I'm going to add to that.
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I will say the
Sabbath is one half of it
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because the most glorious
thing about the sanctuary itself
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was the presence
of God in the temple.
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James: Amen.
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Ivor: The
presence of God in the...
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the Shekinah glory
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and what we will see
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is that Satan will ultimately
counterfeit God Himself.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: On this earth.
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: He will seek
to personate Christ...
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Ivor: He will seek
to impersonate Christ
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so, the combination
of impersonating Christ
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and claiming to
have changed the law...
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: Those two
things... you're basically...
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think of it like this...
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somebody dressing up as
your husband or your wife
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and pretending to be them.
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James: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Right?
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: Trying to get you
into an illicit relationship
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and we're going to
see that manifested...
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that's what... that
is the final end to...
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this is what leads
to Michael standing up.
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James: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Right,
well, Michael's like,
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"Nah, enough is enough. "
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: "No... you've gone too...
you have stepped over a line"
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and we'll see that this...
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this is exact...
this relationship thing
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is what is leading
to Daniel 12:1 and 2...
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Michael standing up
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and remember every time
the word "Michael" is used
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outside of Daniel 10,
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it is in connection
with a direct confrontation
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with Satan himself.
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James: Yeah. Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: And we're going
to see this in Daniel 12
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because in Daniel 12... we're
getting ahead of ourselves here,
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but when God's
people are delivered,
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they're delivered because
they're written in the book
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and we're going to find
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that the way they get
their names written in the book
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is through their
relationship with God.
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Those who think upon His
name are written in the book...
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those who talk one to
another often about God
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and think upon His name
are written in the book,
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Malachi chapter
3 says, verse 16.
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Ivor: Yeah, and
this takes us, James,
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and we... we
can look at verse 36
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that actually builds
on this point, right,
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and remember this...
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this is what I'd
ultimately like you all to see,
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in Daniel 2, you have the clay
and the toes of iron, right,
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in Daniel 7, you
have the Little Horn...
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in Daniel 8, we have the Little
Horn manifested as one power...
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we saw that in previous programs
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and then in Daniel 11,
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you have this king
that magnifies himself
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but what I want
you to see is that
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there is this transition
from Pagan Rome to Papal Rome
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that is ultimately
going to reveal Satan Himself
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behind Papal Rome.
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James: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Right?
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: So, you see
this transition...
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first it's like,
"Oh, it's Pagan Rome...
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oh, but Pagan Rome is really
an extension of Papal Rome...
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oh, wait a minute... the
one that is behind it all
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is Satan himself. "
00:15:08.44\00:15:10.37
James: Hmmm...
Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: Right? and it
is when Satan himself
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is finally
manifested as a counterfeit,
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that we see
Michael standing up...
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that we see... this
is the one behind...
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even behind the Papacy
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and the man at the head
of the Papacy who we will see
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calls himself "Holy Father... "
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calls himself "God on earth... "
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even to that extent,
he is not the... the...
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the main focus of
prophecy as we will see
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because it is the one
behind the claim, right?
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James: Hmmm...
Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: Kind of like John
the Baptist prepared the way
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for the... for... for Jesus...
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so, the Papacy ultimately
prepares the way and the world
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to receive this
master piece deception
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which is Satan
Himself appearing as God.
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James: As an angel
of light, so to speak
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and it's so
important for us to understand
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the emphasis that the
Bible places on relationship
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as part of the new covenant
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because, you know,
relationship and connectivity
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is vital to spirituality...
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we... we need to
stay connected with God
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and we need to stay
connected with each other.
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Yvonne: Yes.
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James: We need not forsake the
assembling of ourselves together
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so much the more as
the... as... as, you know,
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as the manner of some
is... as the time is approaching
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and that's why Satan is
going to do everything he can
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to isolate us...
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to isolate us in society
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and you're going to see
this happening more and more
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as we move
toward the end of time
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because the
more isolated we get,
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the more vulnerable
we get to his deceptions.
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Yvonne: That is so true,
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we were created to
be in relationship...
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even God Himself... Elohim
is in relationship with Himself,
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covenant relationship
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and so, we were wired that way
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and when we are isolated
from each other and from God,
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it is... it has a
profound effect on us
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that's why men in
solitary confinement go mad
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after a short period of
time because they are isolated
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and so, Satan wants to
isolate us from each other
00:17:12.66\00:17:16.73
and from God...
we're vulnerable.
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James: And that's why solitary
confinement is a punishment.
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Yvonne: Absolutely.
00:17:22.04\00:17:23.54
James: Yeah, and
that's a punishment actually
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that Satan is going to
receive in Revelation 20
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but I want us
to think about this
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as we think about what's
happening in the world today,
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as we think about Pandemic...
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as we think about some of
these things that we're facing,
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we need to remember this...
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we need to
remember John the Baptist...
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yeah, John the Baptist who
was isolated in a prison cell.
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Remember John the Revelator
who was isolated on Patmos
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and how that even
when we're isolated,
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God can be our
companion... Yvonne: Yes.
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James: God can be there for us
00:17:48.73\00:17:50.23
because when you're in isolation
and you don't have God,
00:17:50.27\00:17:53.50
yeah, it can drive you crazy,
00:17:53.54\00:17:54.90
but if God is there, you
still have that connectivity.
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Yvonne: Absolutely.
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James: And we can be
isolated from our church family
00:17:58.41\00:18:00.41
but still we need to have
that connectivity with God...
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really important.
00:18:02.34\00:18:03.68
Okay, so what's happening
here, Ivor, in these verses
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as we move down now
into some new territory...
00:18:06.48\00:18:08.88
picking up here with verse 33,
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"And they that
understand among the people
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shall instruct many:
00:18:13.79\00:18:15.32
yet they shall fall by sword,
and by flame and captivity,
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and by spoil, many days. "
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I love this...
I love this verse.
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It's talking about a
time of heavy persecution
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because there are people
who are holding to the covenant
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and have the
Spirit of God within them
00:18:28.87\00:18:30.87
and they're instructing many
00:18:30.91\00:18:32.44
even though they're falling
by sword and by captivity
00:18:32.47\00:18:34.94
and by spoil for many days.
00:18:34.98\00:18:36.31
Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: So, I see this
as the... the Dark Ages...
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I see this as the
time when people are
00:18:39.65\00:18:41.38
spoiled of their houses...
spoiled of their goods...
00:18:41.42\00:18:43.39
things were
taken away from them...
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they couldn't own land...
00:18:44.79\00:18:46.12
their businesses were
taken away from them...
00:18:46.15\00:18:47.72
they were shut down because
they were instructing many
00:18:47.79\00:18:50.76
because they were speaking out
00:18:50.83\00:18:52.16
and they were communicating
the truth of the gospel
00:18:52.19\00:18:54.80
and so, society shut them down.
00:18:54.83\00:18:56.53
Society canceled
them so to speak.
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Yvonne: This is what
happened in the past...
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not what we can look
forward to in the future?
00:19:00.90\00:19:03.54
James: This is what
happened in the past
00:19:03.57\00:19:04.91
and this... in principle
will resurface in the future...
00:19:04.94\00:19:09.58
I think it's
resurfacing already today.
00:19:09.61\00:19:10.95
Yvonne: Right.
00:19:10.98\00:19:12.31
James: I think we see
isolation coming today.
00:19:12.35\00:19:13.85
Ivor: We'll... we'll
see it in verses 40 to 45
00:19:13.92\00:19:15.52
once we get to
Daniel 11:40 to 45...
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so, this is speaking
about a specific time...
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this is happening
during the Dark Ages.
00:19:21.12\00:19:23.26
We're following a
time sequence here...
00:19:23.29\00:19:25.79
remember we are
looking at, you know,
00:19:25.83\00:19:28.26
this is not Babylon,
Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome,
00:19:28.30\00:19:30.53
this is happening
after the fall of Rome
00:19:30.57\00:19:33.03
with the rise of the Little Horn
00:19:33.07\00:19:34.90
so, we're looking at
the Dark-Age period here
00:19:34.94\00:19:39.07
which Daniel 7:25 points out
as time, times and half a time,
00:19:39.11\00:19:45.21
1260 years.
00:19:45.25\00:19:47.28
Yvonne: Hmmm... James: Hmmm...
00:19:47.32\00:19:48.65
but in principle, we're going
to see a lot of these principles
00:19:48.68\00:19:50.82
resurface in the end of time
00:19:50.85\00:19:52.89
because the same power
that came to an end in 1798
00:19:52.92\00:19:56.39
is going to have a wound healed
00:19:56.42\00:19:58.16
and again, all
these same principles
00:19:58.19\00:20:00.56
are going to come to life
but in a modern setting...
00:20:00.60\00:20:02.60
not in the same
setting as... as the history.
00:20:02.63\00:20:04.17
Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:20:04.20\00:20:05.53
James: Okay,
what about verse 34?
00:20:05.57\00:20:07.50
Jason, can you read that for us?
00:20:07.54\00:20:09.74
Jason: Sure,
"Now when they fall,
00:20:09.77\00:20:11.91
they shall be
aided with a little help:
00:20:11.94\00:20:14.08
but many shall join
with them by intrigue. "
00:20:14.11\00:20:16.51
So, I didn't want
to read that verse
00:20:16.54\00:20:18.01
because in the
King James it says,
00:20:18.05\00:20:19.51
"when they shall fall,
00:20:19.55\00:20:20.88
they shall be holpen
with a little help... "
00:20:20.92\00:20:22.35
so, well, you got to have
a different version there...
00:20:22.38\00:20:24.92
"aided... " "holpen... "
00:20:24.95\00:20:26.42
that's... that's
the King James' language
00:20:26.45\00:20:27.86
which I absolutely love
00:20:27.89\00:20:29.56
but sometimes you can't
make sense of these words.
00:20:29.59\00:20:32.33
Yvonne: "Holpen" yeah...
00:20:32.36\00:20:33.70
James: That what that does is,
00:20:33.73\00:20:35.06
it drives you to a
Strong's Concordance...
00:20:35.10\00:20:36.46
and then you get a
real rich understanding
00:20:36.50\00:20:38.20
of the Hebrew or the Greek
00:20:38.23\00:20:39.57
depending on
what you're studying.
00:20:39.60\00:20:40.94
Yvonne: Yeah.
00:20:40.97\00:20:42.30
James: So, I love this verse
because this verse is explaining
00:20:42.34\00:20:44.71
how... that even though
they're going to fall...
00:20:44.74\00:20:47.04
even though... for example,
00:20:47.08\00:20:48.51
let's just talk about, you
know, some of the martyrs like
00:20:48.54\00:20:51.45
yeah, Huss and Jerome.
00:20:51.48\00:20:52.81
We have men who fell into
the hands of the persecutors...
00:20:52.85\00:20:58.25
who were burned at the stake
00:20:58.29\00:21:00.02
and I remember, I
think it was Jerome
00:21:00.06\00:21:03.46
because he was after Huss...
00:21:03.49\00:21:04.83
Jerome, who had
first lost courage
00:21:04.86\00:21:07.46
and almost signed,
you know, a retraction
00:21:07.50\00:21:10.50
but then he recanted
and in prayer he stood firm
00:21:10.53\00:21:14.20
and when he was put on
the stake, the... the...
00:21:14.24\00:21:17.04
the Executioner came behind
him and started the fire...
00:21:17.07\00:21:18.74
he said, "Don't come
behind me, come in front of me,
00:21:18.77\00:21:20.11
if I was afraid, I
wouldn't be here. "
00:21:20.14\00:21:21.48
Yvonne: Wow!
00:21:21.51\00:21:22.98
James: You know, they would
be aided with a little help
00:21:23.01\00:21:24.85
and that little help that
they're going to be aided with
00:21:24.88\00:21:26.58
is the Spirit of God.
00:21:26.61\00:21:27.95
They no longer
have fear of death...
00:21:27.98\00:21:30.85
they no longer have fear
of... of dying as a martyr
00:21:30.89\00:21:33.36
because they were
given the spirit of martyrdom
00:21:33.39\00:21:35.62
and sometimes, we
are afraid of death
00:21:35.66\00:21:37.83
and we're like, "God, I
don't want that to happen"
00:21:37.86\00:21:39.69
well, that's because
we're not facing it right now
00:21:39.73\00:21:42.00
and so, God hasn't given
us the spirit of something
00:21:42.03\00:21:44.27
that we need in order to face it
00:21:44.30\00:21:46.13
but if we face it, He's going to
give us the spirit to face it.
00:21:46.20\00:21:48.37
Yvonne: That is
such a good point
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because I've... I've
read different stories
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about persecuted Christians
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and how they respond
in... in that time and...
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and I ask myself,
"Would I be able to do that?
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Would I be able to stand?"
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But it's so
encouraging to know that
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when it's
time... we'll be able to
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because the Holy Spirit will
give us what we need to do it.
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James: Yeah,
because it's not about us.
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Yvonne: Right. James:
We can't do anything...
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it's about what
God does for us...
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it's about what God gives us,
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you know, for the
need for the time.
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Yvonne: Right.
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James: Verse 35, Yvonne,
can you read verse 35 for us?
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Yvonne: Sure, "And some of
those understanding shall fall,
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to refine them, purify
them, and make them white,
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until the time of the end;
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because it is still
for the appointed time. "
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James: All right,
there's a lot here in this verse
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what are we seeing?
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Ivor, what have we got here?
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Pause...
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Ivor: Well, I mean in verse
35, I think it's a continuation
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of what's
happening in verse 34...
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these are people
that are being martyred
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and there's a connection here
with the fifth... ah... ah...
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James: Seal. Ivor:
Is it trumpet or seal?
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James: Seal. Ivor:
Fifth seal... fifth seal.
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brain freeze right
there, fifth seal...
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James: Boom...
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James: That's why I'm here for.
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All: Laughter.
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Ivor: Where... where the martyrs
which receive white robes,
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right, this is symbolic language
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letting them know that there's
a judgment coming up, right,
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which... they're
going to receive white robes
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until the rest of their brethren
should be killed as they were
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so, this is a
reference again to the...
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to the
persecution and the martyrdom
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of the... of the Dark
Ages under the Papal System
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and that they will be justified.
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Now, here's the
thing about this, right,
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to make them white...
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to purge them and
make them white...
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this is very interesting
because you got to remember
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what was
happening in the Dark Ages
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is... people were being
condemned as anti-Christian.
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James: Hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: Yeah.
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Ivor: "You don't
believe as the church does,
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you are condemned to
the flames of hell. "
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James: Yeah.
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Ivor: Right, you are a
heretic. James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: And what
God is saying here is,
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"I'm going to reverse
this judgment... " right,
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"in the eyes of the
world, you have been condemned
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as a... as, you know,
a revile towards God...
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as just a heathen...
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the books in heaven
are going to be opened...
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at some point, there is going
to be an opening of the books
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and that's what we
read about in Daniel 7...
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this is bringing us
back to the very reference of
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"Unto 2300 days, then shall
the sanctuary be cleansed... "
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which is... which is connected
with this theme of judgment
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which brings us right
back to Daniel 12:1 and 2,
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right, "everyone shall
be delivered that is found
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written in the book. "
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All of this language is pointing
us back to Daniel 8:13 and 14.
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James: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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"Unto 2300 days, then shall
the sanctuary be cleansed. "
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So, that's what
we have going on here
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which is kind of
like a summary...
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you know, it's a...
it's a big picture view
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of what's happening
in Daniel 11 verse 35.
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Yeah, I can't think of a better
illustration of this than Huss,
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you know, Huss was
one of the first martyrs
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and when he was...
before he was martyred,
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he was mocked
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and they put on him this,
you know, robe and this hat
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and they made
him out to be a demon
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and they demonized
him in front of this...
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all the clergy and
just made him look bad
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and he said,
"Willingly will I wear this... "
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you know, "this robe
and this hat you've given me
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because my Lord
wore a purple robe
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and a crown of
thorns for me... "
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and he just stood up tall and...
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and so God is emphasizing
here, they get white robes...
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those who are going through
this trial and persecution,
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it's purifying them
and it's making them white.
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They were standing for Christ...
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they were revealing
the spirit of Christ
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and this was going to
happen and I love this...
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"until the time of the end. "
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So, verse 35 is
pointing us to a designated time
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when this is going to continue
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but it's also
going to come to an end.
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It's going to come to an
end in the time of the end
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and we understand
the "time of the end"
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to be a specific date
when this period of persecution
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this 1260 years
of persecution ends
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and that time is 1798...
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it was following the
1798 "time of the end"
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that the
"Judgment" was discovered
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and it began that process of
actually giving them white robes
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began... because the
judgment began with the dead...
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with every person who
professed Christ and had died
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up from Abel all the way
through until the end of time.
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The judgment
begins with the dead
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and then it moves...
we... we don't know how soon
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but it will move from the
dead, you know, to the living...
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to those who profess
Christ who are alive.
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Ivor: And I hate to
throw this in here at this...
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we got, like, a minute left
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but if you look at the
entire chapter of Daniel 11,
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you basically have the three
time prophecies right there.
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It begins in Medo-Persia
and brings you down to Jesus
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and His crucifixion...
that's the 70 weeks.
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James: Boom...
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Ivor: Then we transition
into this 1260-year time period
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of the Dark Ages and
when we get to verse 40,
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this is... this is 1798 onward
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which brings us
into the 2300 days...
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the books being opened...
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so, you've got these three time
prophecies basically laid out
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in Daniel 11.
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James: Wow! Yvonne: Wow!
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James: Yeah, that's
good... so, we're going to...
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we're going to spend
more time on that though
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even though you're
a little bit rushed
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but I love the way
that you brought that out...
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we're going to spend more time
on that when we get to Daniel 12
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because in Daniel chapter 12,
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we still have to deal with
the end of the 2300 days... 1844
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and we've got the
1260... the 1290 and the 1335...
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where did that come from?
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All of a sudden, it shows up
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so, we're going to look at all
this when we get to Daniel 12
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but we're not
there yet... we're...
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we're leaving off in verse 35,
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we're going to pick up in
verse 36 in our next session,
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and try to move...
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I think we can just try to move
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through the rest of the chapter,
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it might take a
whole more session
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but I think we can do that.
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So, praise the
Lord... good stuff.
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Yvonne: Amen. James: Amen.
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