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James: We have arrived...
oooh... Daniel chapter 11...
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Yvonne: Oh...
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James: This is probably the
most challenging Bible prophecy
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in all Scripture... at
least in the book of Daniel,
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Daniel 11... the
king of the North...
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the king of the South
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has challenged many
scholars for many years
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and even within our own church,
there are two or three at least
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different interpretations
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of certain parts
of Daniel chapter 11
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especially verses 40 to 45.
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So, we are venturing
on challenging ground
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but what's really,
I think, important is
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is that we've
set a good foundation
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of prophetic
principles of interpretation
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that can help us navigate
this area of the book of Daniel.
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We're going to reach back
often to Daniel 2... Daniel 7...
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Daniel 8... Daniel 9...
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in order to help us to
navigate Daniel chapter 11
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and by the way, Daniel
11 and 12 verses 1 through 3
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because it's one vision...
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Daniel doesn't come
out of vision at 11:45...
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he comes out of vision at 12:3.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... Jason: Hmmm...
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James: 12:3 is part...
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12:1, 2 and 3 is
part of Daniel 11
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and then, 12:4 all the way
to 13 is basically a close...
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some closing instructions
given to Daniel to seal up
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this part of the prophecy
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because he wasn't
going to understand it.
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Anyway, before we get started,
we need to have a word of prayer
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Yvonne, would you
like to pray for us?
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Yvonne: Yes, yes...
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"Dear Lord,
thank You so very much
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for bringing us
together once again
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to study Your Word
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and to glean these treasures.
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We just thank you for them
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so that we know
what's going to happen
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and know what
Your will is for us
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and so, we thank you for that...
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we pray for the leading and
guidance of Your Holy Spirit,
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You're welcome in this
place, in Jesus' name, amen. "
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James: Amen... You
are welcome in this place,
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I love that...
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because God wants us to
ask Him to be in this place.
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Yvonne: Yes.
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James: Over and over again,
we saw that in Daniel chapter 10
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that continually Daniel felt his
weakness... his unworthiness...
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and continually
God touched him...
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spoke to him
and lifted him up...
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touched him... spoke to
him and lifted him up...
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touched him... spoke
to him... lifted him up
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and that's what we want.
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We want the
experience of Daniel.
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In fact, I think
it's vital that Daniel 10
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is read and
studied and understood
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before you get to Daniel 11
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because Daniel 10 instructs us
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on the kind of attitude
that God is looking for us
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to imitate in
relationship to Daniel.
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Daniel 9 begins with
this attitude of humility
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that leads us
to an understanding
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of the 70-week prophecy.
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Daniel 10...
same basic principle.
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We see Daniel
being real with God...
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confessing his
weakness and his faults,
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humbling himself again and again
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and God touching
him... speaking to him
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and lifting him up
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and then making this
promise to Gabriel...
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I'm going to instruct you
and give you understanding,
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I'm going to tell you
about the kings of Persia,
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I'm going to tell you about
the kingdom Greece that's coming
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and then we move into
Daniel chapter 11 and verse 1.
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What have you got here, Ivor?
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Ivor: So, I think
when we get to Daniel 11,
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one of the
struggles that people have is
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understanding how
to interpret Daniel 11
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in light of the rest
of the book of Daniel.
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Like we've mentioned before,
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people will often jump into
the book of Daniel chapter 11
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and not take into context
the entire book of Daniel.
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All: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: So, that's
what we want to do.
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We want to try to just do an
overview of the book of Daniel
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and see how Daniel 2
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ultimately leads us to an
understanding of Daniel 11.
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So, let's talk
about this principle...
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we're going to
look at two things here:
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parallel and
zoom... parallel and zoom
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so, those are the two words
I want you to focus on, right.
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Beginning with Daniel 2,
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we have the dream
that Nebuchadnezzar had
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and in the dream he
saw an image of a man
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and the image is...
the head is of gold...
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the chest and arms of silver...
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the belly and thighs of brass...
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the legs of iron
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and then the
toes of iron and clay.
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James: Okay.
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Ivor: By the way,
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and... and James, I
don't know if you've...
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and I think we
talked about this way back
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when we did Daniel 2.
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This is an image of a man,
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right, it's not
an image of an animal
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or... it's an image of a man
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and the stone destroys
this image right on the feet.
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James: Yes.
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Ivor: At the end of time
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and I think to a certain degree
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the... the Bible
speaks about the man of sin.
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James: Hmmm...
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Ivor: The man of
sin. James: Yeah.
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Ivor: I think what
you see here in Daniel 2
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is... this is an image of...
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and the story of the
man that rejects Christ.
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James: Yes, the man
of sin. Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: That's good,
yeah, that's good, yeah.
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Ivor: So, you
have this man of sin
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and then the stone
destroying this man of sin
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right there in Daniel 2.
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James: Ivor, can we park
on that for just a second?
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I really love
what you're saying here
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because Revelation 13
really connects the two.
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Revelation 13
parallels 2nd Thessalonians 2...
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the man of
sin... the Antichrist...
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Revelation 13 identifies it
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and brings in
Babylon, Medo-Persia,
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Greece and Rome
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and so, the image
is... if you will, a... a...
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a... a picture of the
development of the man of sin
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down through the year
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because the man of sin has
the characteristics of Babylon
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and Medo-Persia and
Greece and Pagan Rome
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and develops into the man of sin
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as we get to the end of
time so I love that thought,
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that was good.
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Ivor: Absolutely...
absolutely, so this stone
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and... and here's what
we understand about Daniel 2
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and remember, we're trying to
get to Daniel 11 and 12, right,
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but we're starting in Daniel 2
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and we're already seeing...
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God is setting us up to
try to show us something
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and He starts right in Daniel 2.
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James: Okay.
Yvonne: Hmmm... James: Good.
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Ivor: Babylon,
Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome...
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these ten toes and the clay
that rises up among the 10 toes.
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James: Okay.
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Ivor: The image... the stone
destroys the image on the toes
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of clay and iron.
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James: Yeah, at the feet.
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Ivor: Well, at the feet...
well, we don't know, I mean,
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we're not told
what this image does...
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we're not told what happens
in the toes of iron and clay,
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all we know is
that the stone is like,
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"No, enough is enough... boom. "
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James: Gotcha...
in Daniel 2, you mean.
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Ivor: Daniel 2. James: Got you.
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What's going to happen
in Daniel 7 is a repeat
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of Daniel 2 but
it's going to zoom in...
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it parallels Daniel 2
but it's going to zoom in
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and give us more detail
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about the most
important part of this image
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which is the
toes of iron and clay.
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James: Gotcha... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: So, we get to
Daniel 7... we find a lion...
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a bear... a leopard...
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and then this fourth
beast that has iron teeth...
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so, I want you to
notice the parallel
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in Daniel 2...
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the fourth kingdom is
the kingdom of iron legs.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: In Daniel 7, the
fourth beast... iron teeth.
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James: Gotcha...
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Ivor: Okay... out
of this fourth beast,
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there are ten horns
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and then a Little Horn
rising among the ten horns.
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James: Okay.
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Ivor: That Little Horn
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is going to parallel
the clay of Daniel 2.
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James: Okay. Yvonne: Hmmm.
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Ivor: That rises
among the ten toes
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and here you find God now
giving us more information
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about this Little Horn.
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By the way, you
remember that in the Bible,
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clay, Isaiah 64 verse
8, "You are the potter... "
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talking about
God... "we are the clay. "
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Clay is symbolic of a people
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that profess to
be molded by God.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
James: Okay... all right.
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Ivor: So, here
we have in Daniel 2,
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this religious element
rising among the ten toes
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that came out of Rome.
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James: Okay.
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Ivor: In Daniel 7,
it's the Little Horn
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that parallels the clay
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and now we're told
that this Little Horn
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thinks to change
times and laws...
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persecutes the saints of the...
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so, now we're
getting the idea, "Oh, huh,
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well this is what apparently
is so offensive to God... "
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right? James: Yeah.
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Ivor: This is what this
Little Horn or this... this...
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the toes of iron and
clay in Daniel 2 is doing
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that causes the stone to come.
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James: Okay. Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: But God says,
"We're not finished yet... "
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not only does it attack
the saints of the Most High
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and think to
change times and laws,
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let's go to Daniel 8
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and in Daniel 8,
what are we going to see?
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We're going to see a
parallel and a zooming in.
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James:
Medo-Persia... Greece... Rome...
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Ivor: Yeah, this is going to
take us all the way to Daniel 12
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right? So, what do we see in...
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in... in Daniel 8?
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We see two
beasts and who are they?
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James: So, we got...
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Ivor: James, James,
James, James... can you...
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can you tell us about...
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James: Yes, yes, the
types of beasts they are...
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Ivor: Go down through...
and particularly the four horns
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and remember what you
broke down about directions?
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: So, can you just
break that down real quick?
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James: Yeah, so,
the two beasts are
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representatives of
Medo-Persia and Greece...
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the first beast is a ram
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and the second beast is a goat
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and these are sanctuary animals.
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These are animals that are
connected with the sanctuary
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and specifically
the Day of Atonement.
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So, we have sanctuary
language in Daniel 8...
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we have the law
language in Daniel 7...
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we have the
sanctuary language in Daniel 8
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and that's because
we... we finished Daniel 8...
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at least the vision part
with this verse that talks of
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the cleansing of the sanctuary
which is the Day of Judgment
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or the Day of Atonement.
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So, God is setting us
up right from the beginning
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but just so that we
don't misunderstand and think,
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"Oh, wait a minute,
different animals...
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this must be a different
vision... different kingdoms"
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no, no, no...
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verses 20
through 22 tells, "No...
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the ram is... are
the kings of Medo-Persia
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and the he-goat
represents the kingdom of Greece
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and the horn is the...
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the notable horn within
the he-goat is the first king
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or Alexander the Great.
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So, we're still on track
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but God now is
communicating a different phase
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of what's taking
place in this prophecy...
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this is a phase that has
to do with the sanctuary...
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the assault on the sanctuary...
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the assault on the
mediation of Christ
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and the need for the sanctuary
to be cleansed or made right
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and we want to understand that
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being cleansed
and being made right
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are two sides of the same coin.
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In other words, the
cleansing or the judgment
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is also connected with
the sanctuary being corrected
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or being made right
in its understanding...
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we've misunderstood
it... it's been obscured...
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it's been cast to the earth...
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no, the sanctuary is in heaven
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and we need to get that right
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if we're going to
understand the judgment.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: The four directions...
Ivor: The four directions...
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because the four
directions is set...
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God is zooming in
on this Little Horn
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and He's setting us up
to understand Daniel 11.
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James: Especially
the king of the North.
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Ivor: Break that
down, James, yeah, exactly.
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James: So when... when the...
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the Grecian kingdom
breaks up into four parts,
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just like it does in Daniel 7,
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you've got the
leopard with four heads,
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here it breaks
up into four parts
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toward the four winds of heaven
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and the four winds of heaven,
north, south, east and west...
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and then it says in verse 8,
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"Therefore the he
goat waxed very great:
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and when he was strong,
the great horn was broken;
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and it came... came
up four notable ones
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toward the four winds of heaven.
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And out of one of them...
" that is one of the winds...
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"came up a little horn,
which waxed exceeding great"
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verse 9... "toward the south,
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toward the east,
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and toward the pleasant land. "
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And the pleasant
land is the west...
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it's west of east and...
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so, we have those
three directions included
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we have one
direction left out... north...
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so, it must be
coming from the north
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so, this is the first
time the king of the north
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is identified and
it's identified as Rome.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... Ivor: Yes.
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James: Both in its
pagan and its Papal stage.
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Ivor: Yeah, absolutely,
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so what we have
happening in Daniel 8...
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God is again repeating
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but now, Babylon is...
is... is out of the picture.
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We're zooming in.
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James: Yes.
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Ivor: And I need you to
see that this Little Horn
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not only
desecrates the sanctuary
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but he even stands up
against the Prince of Hosts...
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against Jesus Himself.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: So, this
Little Horn we see
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is representing both
Pagan Rome and Papal Rome.
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All right, we're
seeing that God is moving us
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step by step...
preparing us for Daniel 11.
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Daniel 9... we see the
beginning of the 2300 days
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pointing to...
this is very interesting
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and James, this... this...
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who is it that
destroys the city and the temple
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according to the
70-Week prophecy...
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70 weeks... Jesus
is going to come...
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and then this "prince"
is going to destroy the city
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and the sanctuary...
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the literal city and
the literal sanctuary.
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Who does that?
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James: Titus...
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Ivor: It is Rome...
Titus... it's Rome...
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the latter part
of this 2300 days...
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we're going to see
the same... I'm sorry...
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the latter part of
the... of the prophecy
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which would
include the 2300 days
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and particularly the 1260 years
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is going to also include a
desecration of the sanctuary
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but this time
it's not Pagan Rome...
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it's Papal Rome.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: This sets
the stage for Daniel 11
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because now we know
what we're looking for.
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If we understand Daniel 2,
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we have everything we
need to understand Daniel 11
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because Daniel 11 is
simply a repeat and enlarge
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of Daniel 8... of
Daniel 7 and of Daniel 2.
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James: Amen.
00:15:09.07\00:15:10.41
Ivor: So, all we
need to do in Daniel 11...
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we got all these verses...
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"Man! what is this
stuff talking about?"
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If we understand the
transition points in Daniel 2
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and the
transition points in Daniel 7
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and in Daniel 8,
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all we need to do
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is look for those
transition points in Daniel 11.
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James: Amen.
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Ivor: And we will know that
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the verses in between
those transition points,
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are simply filling in details
within that particular nation,
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they're zooming in, right...
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James: They're the zoom...
Ivor: They're the zoom...
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so, we know, for
example, let's go to Daniel 11
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and let's just look at
those first two verses.
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James: Okay.
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Pause...
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Jason: Okay.
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James: Jason, you
want to read those for us?
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Jason: Sure thing...
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"Also in the first
year of Darius the Mede,
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I, even I, stood up to
confirm and strengthen him.
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And now I will
tell you the truth:
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Behold, three more
kings will arise in Persia,
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and... "
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Ivor: You can stop right
there. Yvonne: Laughing...
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Ivor: Man! Daniel 8
began with what kingdom?
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The Persian Empire...
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All: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: Daniel 11...
what does it begin with?
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The Persian Empire.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: We already know then,
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watch this...
that Daniel 11 begins
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the same place as Daniel 8...
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now, watch this...
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pause...
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in Daniel 12,
Michael stands up...
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pause...
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and the dead are
going to be raised.
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This is the
second coming of Jesus.
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James: Hmmm...
00:16:55.91\00:16:57.41
Ivor: This is the
stone cut out without hands
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that destroys the
image on the feet.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: What does that telling us?
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Daniel 11 is going to give
us the most detailed explanation
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as to why the stone in Daniel
2 smites the image on its feet.
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James: Yeah, there was no
explanation in Daniel 2 at all.
00:17:18.17\00:17:22.37
Ivor: There's none in Daniel 2,
Daniel 7... we get more detail,
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Daniel 8... we
get more detail...
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Daniel 11...
those last verses...
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we could say, the
last half of Daniel 11,
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is going to be like,
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"All right, here is
what the Little Horn does...
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here is how... "
00:17:38.39\00:17:39.72
and this is what
leads to Michael standing up
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and the dead being raised
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which we know is parallel
to the second coming of...
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it's the same thing as
the second coming of Jesus.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:17:51.40\00:17:53.13
Ivor: Right, so Daniel 11 and
12 gave us the greatest detail
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of what's happening in Daniel 2.
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So, think of Daniel
2 as the big picture
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and then the rest of the
book is explaining to us...
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here's how you need to
understand Daniel chapter 2.
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James: You know, we
see the same principle,
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you know, all through the Bible.
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In Genesis chapter 1,
God creates the world.
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In Genesis chapter 2,
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He parallel and zooms in
on that creation, you know,
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in Genesis chapter 1 He
makes man... Adam and Eve...
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man and woman in His image.
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In Genesis 2, He
tells us how it all happens.
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"You know, first I made man
and then I let him get lonely
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let him feel his need... I
took a rib from his side...
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put him to sleep...
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first surgery... rib
from his side... made Eve"
00:18:35.94\00:18:37.41
and that's the same thing
we see in Exodus, Leviticus,
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Numbers... Deuteronomy...
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the law is given and
then, the rest of these books...
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the rest of the
Torah expound upon the Law
00:18:43.92\00:18:46.49
and give us the
details of the Law...
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what it means to love
God with all our heart
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and love our
neighbors as ourselves
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and we see...
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so we see this all the
way through the Scriptures...
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this principle.
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Ivor: Absolutely, so
now we know in Daniel 11,
00:18:56.00\00:18:59.03
if Medo-Persia
is mentioned first,
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we know who we're
looking for next...
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who are we looking for next?
00:19:04.57\00:19:06.04
James: Greece. Yvonne: Greece.
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We're looking for Greece, right,
00:19:08.08\00:19:10.05
let's read the next verse.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:19:11.45\00:19:12.78
Jason: All right, "Then
a mighty king shall arise,
00:19:12.81\00:19:15.45
who shall rule
with great dominion,
00:19:15.48\00:19:17.79
and do according to his will.
00:19:17.82\00:19:19.49
And when he has arisen,
00:19:19.55\00:19:22.32
his kingdom shall be
broken up and divided
00:19:22.36\00:19:24.93
toward the four winds of heaven,
00:19:24.96\00:19:26.80
but not among his... "
00:19:26.83\00:19:28.20
Ivor: Okay, Jason, let
me pause you for a second,
00:19:28.23\00:19:30.37
when I stopped you in verse 2...
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you should have kept
it... so let's finish verse 2.
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Jason: Got you... okay,
00:19:37.07\00:19:38.61
"by his strength,
through his riches,
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he shall stir up all
against the realm of Greece. "
00:19:41.64\00:19:44.48
James: No, you got to go
back a little bit further,
00:19:44.51\00:19:47.32
let's just read
the whole verse again.
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Jason: Sounds good...
00:19:48.72\00:19:50.05
"And now I will
tell you the truth:
00:19:50.09\00:19:51.45
Behold, three more
kings will arise in Persia,
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and the fourth shall be
far richer than them all;
00:19:54.79\00:19:58.03
by his strength,
through his riches,
00:19:58.06\00:20:00.50
he shall stir up all
against the realm of Greece. "
00:20:00.53\00:20:03.57
James: Hmmm...
00:20:03.60\00:20:04.93
Ivor: All right... keep
going, read the next verse.
00:20:04.97\00:20:08.10
Jason: Okay, "Then a
mighty king shall arise,
00:20:08.14\00:20:09.90
who shall rule
with great dominion,
00:20:09.94\00:20:12.24
and do according to his will.
00:20:12.27\00:20:13.78
And when he has arisen,
00:20:13.81\00:20:15.81
his kingdom shall be
broken up and divided
00:20:15.84\00:20:18.21
toward the four winds of heaven,
00:20:18.25\00:20:19.78
but not among his... "
00:20:19.81\00:20:21.62
Ivor: All right, I'm
stopping you again...
00:20:21.65\00:20:24.82
I'm stopping you again...
00:20:24.85\00:20:26.19
Jason: That's all right.
00:20:26.22\00:20:27.56
Ivor: We already
know this, right?
00:20:27.59\00:20:30.49
James: Yes, we just read it.
00:20:30.53\00:20:31.86
Ivor: We saw this in
Daniel 8. James: Yeah.
00:20:31.89\00:20:33.60
Ivor: Right, Daniel 8...
you got the... the... the...
00:20:33.63\00:20:36.67
the Ram with the two horns
00:20:36.70\00:20:38.70
and then you got the he-goat...
00:20:38.73\00:20:40.37
the first king is Alexander...
00:20:40.40\00:20:41.97
then his kingdom is
broken into four parts... we...
00:20:42.00\00:20:44.67
this is repeat and enlarge...
00:20:44.71\00:20:46.04
so, we know that we should be
looking for what kingdom next?
00:20:46.07\00:20:50.68
If this is Greece... Rome...
00:20:50.71\00:20:54.68
so, now we just got
to... where can we find...
00:20:54.72\00:20:59.02
now, I might... the
verses after verse 4...
00:20:59.05\00:21:03.29
verse 4 might be Rome...
verse 5... I don't know...
00:21:03.32\00:21:07.30
I've got to find something
that helps me to identify
00:21:07.33\00:21:11.23
where Rome is...
00:21:11.27\00:21:12.77
now, let me just ask a question,
00:21:12.83\00:21:14.77
are we trying to
focus on Rome right now
00:21:14.80\00:21:18.97
or are we trying to
focus on what God is ultimately
00:21:19.01\00:21:22.74
trying to show us...
00:21:22.78\00:21:24.11
what He's ultimately
trying to zoom in on...
00:21:24.15\00:21:26.41
Yvonne: The
first... the first part...
00:21:26.45\00:21:29.52
well, He's
ultimately trying to zoom in...
00:21:29.55\00:21:32.65
James: The latter.
00:21:32.69\00:21:34.09
Ivor: We're trying
to find what He's...
00:21:34.12\00:21:35.46
James: What He wants us
to focus in on... yeah...
00:21:35.49\00:21:37.79
Ivor: Right... so at this
point, I just want to know...
00:21:37.83\00:21:42.10
okay, where is Rome?
00:21:42.13\00:21:43.77
James: Hmmm...
Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:21:43.80\00:21:45.33
Ivor: Because I want to
know what happens after Rome
00:21:45.40\00:21:47.54
that causes
Jesus to come, right.
00:21:47.57\00:21:50.54
So, what we...
we're sharing this because
00:21:50.57\00:21:52.84
what we're seeing is
00:21:52.87\00:21:54.21
the details of what happens in
the Grecian Empire are important
00:21:54.24\00:22:00.12
but in the big picture,
00:22:00.15\00:22:02.52
God is trying to show
us something different...
00:22:02.55\00:22:07.36
something other than...
00:22:07.39\00:22:08.72
"Look at the detail
of the different kings
00:22:08.76\00:22:10.16
that rose in the
Grecian Empire. "
00:22:10.19\00:22:11.53
James: Right.
00:22:11.56\00:22:13.23
Ivor: Right, so
where do we find...
00:22:13.26\00:22:15.16
James, can you give us something
that we might look to say,
00:22:15.20\00:22:21.20
"Ah, this must be Rome. "
00:22:21.24\00:22:22.57
James: Two things here and
I just want to bring up so,
00:22:22.60\00:22:26.17
first of all, yes, that point...
00:22:26.21\00:22:28.04
the point you made about
the details is really powerful
00:22:28.08\00:22:30.65
because God gives us the details
00:22:30.68\00:22:33.01
in order for us to have more
confidence in His Word, okay,
00:22:33.08\00:22:37.59
plus the details help
move us through history
00:22:37.62\00:22:39.75
just a little bit...
00:22:39.79\00:22:41.22
but we can get bogged down
in the details in Daniel 11,
00:22:41.26\00:22:43.19
so, if we move through this,
00:22:43.22\00:22:45.09
we've gone from
Medo-Persia to Greece
00:22:45.13\00:22:47.06
and if we just move through
00:22:47.10\00:22:48.43
and God's actually
doing this, He's saying,
00:22:48.46\00:22:49.80
"Hey, there's going
to be three more kings
00:22:49.83\00:22:51.17
and the fourth one's
going to be this... "
00:22:51.20\00:22:52.53
and He's just moving
through quickly anyway...
00:22:52.57\00:22:54.04
He goes into the details
and then notice verse 14,
00:22:54.07\00:22:56.17
"In those times
there shall many stand up
00:22:56.20\00:22:59.51
against the king of the south:
00:22:59.54\00:23:00.88
also the robbers of thy
people shall exalt themselves
00:23:00.91\00:23:04.28
to establish the
vision; but they shall fall. "
00:23:04.31\00:23:06.75
That's talking about the
Romans and I'll tell you why...
00:23:06.78\00:23:09.52
that word
"robbers" means breakers...
00:23:09.55\00:23:12.72
it's the same word that is
used in Daniel 7 and verse 7
00:23:12.75\00:23:15.92
when it talks
about the fourth beast
00:23:15.96\00:23:17.39
being a terrible beast
that breaks in pieces...
00:23:17.43\00:23:19.96
this is talking
about the Romans.
00:23:20.00\00:23:22.36
The Roman Empire starts
small and it stands up...
00:23:22.40\00:23:26.10
it begins to... to exalt itself
00:23:26.13\00:23:28.07
in order to establish the vision
00:23:28.10\00:23:29.97
which is a vision
of Medo-Persia, Greece
00:23:30.01\00:23:32.24
and then Pagan Rome.
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So, that's where we
see Rome enter the picture
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and from verse 14 all
the way through to verse 22,
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with verses 20 to 22 being
the standout verses for us.
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There's a lot of detail about
how Rome establishes itself...
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how Rome rises in those verses
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but when you read verse 20...
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just read verse 20 first, Yvonne
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and tell me what
you think right there...
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who do you think that is?
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Yvonne: "There
shall arise in his place
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one who imposes taxes
on the glorious kingdom;
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but within a few days
he shall be destroyed,
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but not in anger or in battle. "
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James: Who do you think that is?
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Yvonne: Rome.
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James: Now read Luke chapter
3 or chapter 2 and verse 1,
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now we read this
in an earlier session
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but I want us to read it again,
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Luke is the Historian
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and Luke is giving us
not just a picture of Christ
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from the gospel per se... he has
given us the history of Christ,
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when Christ was born
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so, in Luke chapter 2,
Yvonne, can you read that for us
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beginning with verse 1?
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Yvonne: "And it came
to pass in those days
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that a decree went
out from Caesar Augustus
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that all the
world should be... "
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it says "registered" here
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but in the King
James it says, "taxed. "
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James: Yeah... and in verse 2...
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Yvonne: "This
census first took place
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while Quirinius
was governing Syria. "
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James: Keep going...
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Yvonne: "So all
went to be registered,
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every one to his own city. "
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James: And verse 4...
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Yvonne: Joseph also
went up from Galilee,
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out of the city of
Nazareth, into Judea,
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to the city of David,
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which is called Bethlehem,
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because he was of the
house and lineage of David... "
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James: And then verse 5...
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Yvonne: "to be
registered with Mary,
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his betrothed wife,
who was with child. "
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James: Ooooh...
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Yvonne: Wow! Caesar Augustus
is mentioned right here, wow!
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James: Do you see where
we are in Daniel 11? Yes.
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Yvonne: Wow!
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James: In Daniel 11, we
just nailed the birth of Christ.
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Yvonne: That's
Caesar Augustus, yes.
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James: Now, what Ivor is
saying and I believe here
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is that, this is the
point of Bible prophecy.
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The point of Bible prophecy
is to get us to Jesus...
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that's the point of Bible
prophecy... to get us to Jesus
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and if you were to
divide... you know...
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this is just a thought
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but if you were to divide
Daniel 11 in half... 45 verses,
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you... you get
to the middle of it
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and that would be in verse
22 and a half, so to speak,
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so, it's interesting that Jesus
is right here in the center...
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this is when He's born.
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Now, in the next verse,
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you have a
description of someone else
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who steps into the
estate of Augustus Caesar,
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it says in verse 21...
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well, Jason, can
you read that for us?
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Jason: Verse 21 of
Daniel 11? James: Yes.
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Jason: Yes, "And in his
place shall arise a vile person,
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to whom they will not
give the honor of royalty;
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but he shall come in peaceably,
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and seize the
kingdom by intrigue. "
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James: Okay, that's Titus...
Titus... excuse me, not Titus...
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Tiberius... Tiberius
follows Augustus Caesar,
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we read that in Luke chapter 3.
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Tiberius wasn't
loved by the people...
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he was hated by the people
but he was loved by Augustus
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and Augustus... it
wasn't his, you know,
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son by blood
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but Augustus brought him into
the kingdom through marriage,
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brought him in and set him up...
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they were actually
co-Precepts together...
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in AD 13, they ruled together
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and then when
Augustus passed in AD 14,
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Tiberius just
stepped right in peaceably...
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he stepped into the
kingdom. Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: So, this is
exactly what we're...
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we're being confirmed
with in the New Testament story
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and then you read verse 22,
now, check this out, verse 22,
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Jason, you want to read that?
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Jason: "With the force of a
flood they shall be swept away
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from before him and be broken,
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and also the
prince of the covenant. "
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James: Okay, who's
that talking about?
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Jason: Jesus. Yvonne: Jesus.
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James: When did He
die? When was He crucified?
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Under whose reign?
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Yvonne: A.D. 31.
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James: He was born
under Augustus Caesar
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and He was crucified
under Tiberius Caesar.
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Jason: Oh. Yvonne: Ah... hmmm...
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James: And Daniel 11 is
pinpointing that for us.
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Of all the details Daniel can
give us, now, think about this,
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Daniel 11 can go
anywhere and everywhere
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because there's so much
history of the Roman Empire
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I mean, that Rome... that
Empire lasted for centuries
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but he nailed...
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he lands in the
timeframe of the birth of Christ
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and the death of Christ
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because prophecy is
bringing us to Jesus.
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Ivor: And we know that the next
power we need to be looking for
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is none other
than the Little Horn...
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James: that will
follow, amen... amen.
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Yvonne: Amen.
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