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James: So, we are
back in Daniel 7, part 3.
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We left off with
these characteristics
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of the fourth power that
has a little horn that comes up
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and we noted that the
three previous kingdoms
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were all pretty much
identified in Daniel...
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Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece,
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and Rome isn't
really identified by name...
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the other three are and
yet we know Rome followed
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and then what
came in the succession
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of the Pagan Roman
Empire... history will tell us.
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The Bible does a little
bit of mystery for us...
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Bible prophecy actually
gives us characteristics
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and as you look at the
different characteristics,
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then you identify the power.
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Here's what we have so far,
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just looking through
these verses in Daniel,
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we have the
Little Horn coming up
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in the same
place as the ten horns
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plucking up one
of the ten horns...
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having the eyes of man and a
mouth speaking great things...
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and ruling for... and speaking
great things against God
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ruling for 1,260
prophetic years...
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making war with the saints
and prevailing against them
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and continuing until
the ancient of days came
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and a judgment was set
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and changing times and laws
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and being different
from the other kingdoms.
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Those are the
characteristics we have so far.
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Who is this power?
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Well, let's
have a word of prayer
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and see if we can
identify it, shall we?
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Jason, would you pray for us?
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Jason: Absolutely,
"Dear heavenly Father,
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we thank You so much for the
opportunity to study Your Word
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as we continue to go
deeper in the book of Daniel
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now getting into some
heavier things as well,
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Lord, we just ask that You would
please provide us with clarity
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and help us to be able to
remember what we're studying,
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in Jesus' name we pray, amen. "
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All: Amen.
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James: Who is this power?
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Ivor: You know, I...
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when we look at...
through the book of Daniel,
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it seems as if God is
taking a lot of effort
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to eventually get
to this point, right?
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I mean, we know the
book of Daniel is about
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this anti-God power
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and He just doesn't
come out and tell us
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in Daniel 1 or Daniel
2... He's just giving us like,
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"Hey, you know, I'm
trying to prepare the way...
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I'm trying to prepare the way...
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I'm trying to
prepare the way because
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when I review who this Power is,
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it's just going to
seem so unbelievable. "
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James: Yes, good
point. Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Like, "What?"
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so, if you remember what we
talked about in the last Program
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how we showed that the
things this Little Horn did...
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does on earth... reflects
what Satan did in heaven.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: Right? Satan uprooted
one third of the angels...
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Little Horn uproots
three out of ten horns...
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Lucifer spoke great
words against the Most High...
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brought war against the
saints of the Most High...
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the angels... thought to
change times and laws in heaven.
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So, remember who Lucifer was...
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he was a beautiful and
adored and loved angel,
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so, just imagine all of
us in heaven and you hearing,
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"Yeah, this Lucifer
guy... he's no good. "
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How difficult would that...
would that be to believe?
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All: Hmmm...
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Ivor: "What? How dare you?"
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James: It would have been
for the third of the angels
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to believe.
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Ivor: For the third of
the angels it would be like,
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"How dare...
look, this is Lucifer...
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what are you talking about?
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This is the bright, you
know, the bright angel...
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the angel of light...
what are you talking about?"
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All: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: And... and one
third of the angels said...
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I think they
were offended really,
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like, "How dare you put
this bad spin on Lucifer?
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How dare you speak
about Lucifer in this way?
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He has done nothing but good...
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he is a leader
of the angels... "
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that whole
scenario really helps us
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to understand how
people would react
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when the Little
Horn is identified.
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James: Yeah, it's
perfect. Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: "What? I'm
offended... how dare you?
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Don't you know the good
that this power has done?"
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And remember,
Lucifer's disguise was all...
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it's... he didn't come on
and say, "Guys, let's be...
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who wants to be
evil? Angels...?"
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All: Laughter.
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The angels would have
been like, "Are you crazy? No!"
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His argument was an
argument of righteousness.
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"Hey, we can be like
God... we can be good...
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there's not just one
way to righteousness...
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God doesn't have the
market on righteousness. "
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So, it wasn't an
argument that was like,
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"Let's rebel and be evil. "
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James: Yeah, it
wasn't openly evil.
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Ivor: It wasn't
openly evil, it was,
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"Hey, we need to reform
the Government of God...
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it's time to change...
we need to make it better...
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and that's all I'm trying to do
and I'm being misunderstood. "
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And one third of the angels
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fell for that
deceptive cover of righteousness
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and so, can we expect
the same thing on earth?
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Absolutely.
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Can we expect when this
Little Horn Power is revealed
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for people to be offended...
for people to be mad?
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"How dare you?" James: Surprise.
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Ivor: Surprise,
like, "What? No way...
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I can't believe that, no... "
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James: "Look at all the good. "
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Ivor: "Look at all the good...
look at all the good... "
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and so, I believe that
this is why God paints...
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He's like leading this out...
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He's showing us, "Look...
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I'm letting you know
that there is only one power
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that can fit this
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and when you
discover who this power is,
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I know what
you're going to think...
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you're going to say,
'No, no, no, no, no, no... '"
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When Satan comes... you know,
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the bad guy is
going to have a pitchfork
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and we're going to
know that he is evil...
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no, no... no...
no... no... no...
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if the devil was
wise enough to deceive
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one third of intelligent,
holy angels in heaven,
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who do we think we
are? Yvonne: Right.
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Ivor: You know what I'm
saying? Yvonne: That's right.
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Ivor: To just think,
"Oh yeah, the devil can't...
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can't fool me. "
Yvonne: That's right.
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Ivor: So, that kind
of sets the foundation
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for us going into the
identity of this power
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because the
identity of this power,
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is not something
that appears openly evil.
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It is something that
actually appears righteous.
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It is something
that appears good...
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something that appears holy
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which may seem all the
more difficult to believe
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but there can be only one power.
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There is only one power
that rules out of Rome...
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there is only one power that...
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that uprooted three
of these ten horns...
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there is only one power
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that went to war against
the saints of the Most High...
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against Christians
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and there is only
one power that did so
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for over 1,000 years of history
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like, we don't
even have to say it
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because anyone familiar with
history and all would know that
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this is probably
one of the reasons
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that most people turn away
from Christianity altogether
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and it is because
of what "Christians"
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did to one another
during the Dark Ages.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: When Christianity
merged with the State
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and became a
Church-State entity,
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I like to say, "This
Little Horn represents
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corrupt Christianity. "
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James: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: It was Christianity that
dominated during the Dark Ages
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in Europe... that said,
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"Hey, you don't
believe like we believe,
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we're going to
persecute you... "
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and that's who this
Little Horn Power is.
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It's Christianity
in Medieval Europe
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beginning with
Constantine and his compromise
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or, I would say,
"The... the mingling together
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of Church and State
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which basically
brought about the Church
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in the Dark Ages. "
James: The iron and the clay.
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Ivor: The iron and
clay... that's right.
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James: And
there's only one power
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that sought to
change God's times and laws.
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Ivor: That's right.
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James: And I remember because
I was raised in a Christian home
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I've mentioned this... I
was raised in a Catholic home,
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Roman
Catholic... my mom would say,
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Irish on my mother's side
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and it wasn't just religious,
it was cultural for us
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and so, I remember, I was raised
going to a Catholic school,
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I was raised going to church
every week... I was an Altar Boy
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I knew the "Our
Father" I knew the "Hail Mary"
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but I didn't know the Bible
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and when I was
challenged some years later...
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I was 21 years old when
I actually accepted Christ
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as my personal Savior
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and I wasn't planning on
running away from my roots,
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I was just
planning on exploring them
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and coming to grips with them
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because I hadn't been
living a Christian lifestyle
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up until that
time since I was a kid
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and when I was challenged on
the church... day of worship...
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which... the challenge came
actually from a family member
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who said that
Saturday not Sunday
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is the day the Bible teaches...
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I thought that was
absolutely ridiculous...
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I just thought it was ridiculous
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and I started
doing research on it
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to get that family member out
of this Seventh-day ideology,
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you know being
Sabbath being Saturday...
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and to get them safely back
into the fact that, you know,
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Sunday is the day
that we worship God
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and that's what
the Bible teaches...
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I had no clue what
the Bible taught on that
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because I never
studied the Bible.
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When I studied the Bible,
and began to read Bible verses
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and realized,
"Whoa, wait a minute,
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there's nothing
in here that says...
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it's all about the
seventh day being Saturday
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and I was like, "What?"
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I realized, "Wow, why
do all these Christians
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go to church on Sunday?"
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And then I got to Daniel 7:25...
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"He shall think to
change times and laws... "
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It was like,
"Whoa... the time of worship
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and the Law of God
has been changed...
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and God predicted
it by this very power
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that came in
the succession of...
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reigning for this amount
of time... persecuted this...
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had these great words
against the Most High...
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fulfilled every characteristic
of this prophecy...
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this is the very power
that I was raised in...
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no, I can't believe
it... " just like you said...
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"This is unbelievable. "
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James: I mean,
this is a good thing...
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this is a religious power...
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this is the
church I was raised in...
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this is... this
is... this is... this is...
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and it was really
challenging for me
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because I had to make a decision
between what the Bible taught
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and what I believed as a kid
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and it wasn't a hard,
hard decision in this sense,
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I had found
something in Jesus Christ
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that I never experienced
in that religious system
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and so, I couldn't give it up...
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I had to hold on to it
and Jesus Christ is the Word
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and the Word was
more important to me
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than anything else
at that point in my life
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and now, years later...
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I was 21 at the time so
talking 30 some years ago,
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or maybe just 20 years ago...
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All: Laughter.
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James: Years later, I'm...
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it's... it's just so
crystal clear in my mind
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there's so much more to this
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that's so
significant and so important
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that we... that we not only
come to grips with it ourselves
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but that... that our Viewers...
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the people that are listening
to this Program realize
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and at least get an
opportunity to investigate...
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to discover this... to
make a decision for themselves
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about this...
about this prophecy.
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Ivor: It is
important to understand
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because I can
imagine maybe people watching
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they're like, "Well,
what difference does it make
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what day that I
go to church on?"
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And that's really
not the argument...
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you know, the early church...
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they went in church
every day of the week
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right, so it's not
a matter of what day
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is the best day
to go to church...
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you go to church on
Wednesday and Tuesday
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and Friday and
Sunday and whatever day...
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God is always
wanting us to worship,
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He's always
wanting us to worship,
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however, when it
comes to the Sabbath,
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it's a special sign
between God and His people
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that He lays out... right
there in the Ten Commandments
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and the thing that I
would share with people is this,
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you know, the Sabbath
can't be kept everyday
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because the Commandment
says, "Six days shall you labor
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and on this day, you
are to do no work... "
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if you're keeping
the Sabbath every day,
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you're not working...
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if you don't work,
you shouldn't eat...
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you know, like,
you're just not...
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that's not what God
is asking you to do,
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He knows we have to make a
living and all those things
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so, the Sabbath
is a very special day
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in which God
commands us to rest.
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Now...
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I say it like...
the Bible says this,
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"Know ye not, that to
whom ye yield yourselves
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as servants to obey,
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his servants you are
to whom you obey... "
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you remember the
game, "Simon Says... "
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Yvonne: Oh yeah.
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: Okay, "Simon
says, Stand Up... "
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everybody stands up, right?
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"Sit down... "
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"Oh no...
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I only obey Simon... " right?
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That's the whole
purpose of the game.
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Yvonne: Right.
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Ivor: Well, it's the
same principle, right?
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If God... if God and
Satan were here right now
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and God said,
"Pick up that pen... "
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and Satan was like, "No,
don't pick up that pen... "
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the issue of picking
up a pen or dropping a pen
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is not the issue...
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this issue is,
"Who are you obeying?"
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You see what I'm
saying? Yvonne: Yes.
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Ivor: The same
thing with the tree...
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taking of the tree and eating
that fruit that Eve ate...
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it wasn't like... that was...
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she wasn't
killing somebody or...
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you know, she just...
it was a simple command.
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James: Yes.
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Ivor: The issue was,
"Who was she willing to obey?"
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So, people get caught up in the,
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"Well that doesn't
make a difference... "
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no, it's not... it's
not about the day actually
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as much as it is,
"Who do you obey?"
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So, God says, "7"
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and Satan is like...
"No, 1... or 5... or what... "
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it's not about
the thing itself...
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it's about who you yield
yourselves servants to obey...
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and that's what so
many people miss...
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if this was not important,
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God would not have
put it in Daniel 7:25.
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Yvonne: Yes.
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James: Another thing
that is important too...
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that the Sabbath is
all about the gospel...
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Ivor: That's right.
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James: And we talked
about... we work six days...
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and we rest on
the seventh day...
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and you know... we can...
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we can... we can
worship God on any of those days
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but you can't keep the Sabbath
on any day and here's why:
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because, since the fall,
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we are absolutely
powerless to do anything
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in and of ourselves...
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when Christ
became a man, he said,
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"I can of mine
own self do nothing. "
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The Sabbath is the only day,
the 7th day Sabbath, Saturday
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the seventh-day Sabbath...
the seventh day of the week
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is the only day
that God has blessed
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and sanctified and set aside
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and that is the only way
that we can keep that day holy.
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We don't have any
power to keep it holy...
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there's nothing in ourselves
that keeps anything holy...
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we need the power of God...
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we need the
gospel of Jesus Christ,
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so, the fact that God
has blessed and sanctified
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and set apart that day
means His power is in that...
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it's not our
power... it's His power.
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Yvonne: Oh...
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James: And that's what we find
when we enter the Sabbath rest.
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We find
motivation from heaven...
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from God... from His blessing...
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from His sanctification...
from His power...
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to do what we
don't normally want to do
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as human beings anyway,
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I mean, I know...
because I'm a workaholic
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and if there's a
blessing in the Sabbath...
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the blessing that I receive...
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it's the blessing
to rest on that day
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because I wouldn't be
inclined to do that...
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I would be inclined to go
to church for an hour or two
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and then go on about my
business and get on with it
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and you know... and all
the stuff that I've been...
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so, the power of the gospel
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is in the spoken Word of God
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and He has breathed that
power into the seventh day.
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He hasn't breathed it
into the first day or the...
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or fourth day or the
third day or whatever...
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and that's really important when
we come to the Sabbath rest.
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Ivor: Think
about this real quick,
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I know you're going to
want to share something
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but what Lucifer
wanted to do in heaven...
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he said, "I will
be like the Most High"
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meaning, "I can
be holy like God,
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I can sanctify myself...
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that's what I can do...
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I don't need God in
order to be good or holy,
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I can do it myself. "
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: So, when God gives
man the Sabbath as a sign,
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He says, "Hey, I want
you to keep the Sabbath
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so that you may remember...
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it will be a sign
between me and you
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that you may know that I...
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I am the one
that sanctifies you...
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you can't sanctify yourself. "
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Right? the Sabbath is how we...
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the Sabbath is
God's mechanism...
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it's a reminder that there's
nothing we can do... so rest.
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Yvonne: Ooooh.
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Ivor: The
Sabbath is not about...
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it's crazy when
I hear people say,
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"Sabbath... oh,
that's about works... "
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Noooo...
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it's about rest...
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and when you decide that you're
going to step out of God's rest
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and choose your own
rest, that's "works".
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James: That's
"works". Yvonne: Yes.
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Ivor: That's "works. "
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James: That's why the Sabbath
is connected with creation
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because when you
look at creation...
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the succession of the week,
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you look at God
creating the world for us...
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He did it for us... without us.
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We weren't there
when He created...
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so, every single
day He created...
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we didn't help Him...
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there was nothing we
could point to and say,
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"Hey, see that
tree... God made the trunk...
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I did the limbs...
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He put on the leaves...
I put on the fruit... "
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no... and by the
time we were created
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which was on the
last day, He's finished...
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we're the last part
of His creative act...
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and the first thing
He asks us to do is rest
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in everything He
did for us without us.
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Ivor: Yeah. Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: And when you
look at re-creation...
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it's the same thing,
God created the world
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and He re-created the
human race in Jesus...
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"Jesus trod the
winepress alone...
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of the people there
was none with Him... "
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He lived a perfect life...
none of us have done that...
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He suffered our penalty...
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He took upon
Himself our consequences
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as our substitute and surety,
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and on the sixth day, Friday,
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He said... just like
He did in the Garden,
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"It is finished... "
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and then He rested
on the seventh day.
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so, the Sabbath reminds us
of everything Christ did for us.
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Ivor: And He gets
back to work on Sunday.
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James: Yeah... it's right there.
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All: Laughter.
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Jason: It's interesting
that when you look at the...
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the Fourth Commandment,
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it's the only Commandment
that begins with "Remember... "
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All: Hmmm...
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James: And it's the one
that's most often forgotten
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and I remember
hearing somebody...
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I don't know if it was a
Pastor or who told me this
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but they were saying,
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"If I ask you to
bring me some... some fruit
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or give me a piece of
fruit and you bring a banana,
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did you do what I asked?"
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Yes... yes... you did...
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now, if I ask you to
bring me a bring me a banana
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and you bring me an
apple, did you do what I asked?
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All: No...
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Jason: No, you didn't...
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well, God set aside
the seventh-day Sabbath
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and wants us to keep that holy
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but then, when we pick
whatever day we want to serve,
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did we do what He asked?
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No, we didn't and so there is...
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there is something
special about that day
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and... and also, when
you look at the Israelites
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you know, when they were...
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when Manna... they were supposed
to gather a certain amount
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on the sixth day, they
were supposed to gather
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double the portion so that
they rested on the Sabbath day
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and all that
stuff and it would spoil
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if they grabbed too
much on the other days
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but on the sixth day, when they
gathered that double portion,
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it wouldn't spoil because
there was something special
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about the
Sabbath... the preparation...
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so, I mean... all
throughout the Bible...
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you see the Sabbath is there.
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James: The evidence is there...
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the evidence is
there all the way through
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and you can't get
around it, I know, I tried.
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I tried to get around
it... I mean, I was convinced
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and, you know, it
was a "pride" thing too,
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you know, being raised
in the Catholic church...
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being an Altar Boy...
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being proud of my
religious background...
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proud that I
was a Roman Catholic
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and proud that I knew
that Sunday was in the Bible...
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All: Hmmm...
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James: I mean, I
was proud of that
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and so, to be... to
learn that I was wrong on that
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you have to... there's
got to be a humility there
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and a willingness to
accept what God has said
00:19:31.87\00:19:34.14
but this was
the clincher for me.
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I mean, there was
a lot of evidence...
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you know, the Old
and the New Testament...
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Creation week...
the Ten Commandments...
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the manna...
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the New Testament...
00:19:41.88\00:19:43.21
Christ as the example was...
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He went into the
church as His custom was
00:19:44.61\00:19:45.95
on the Seventh-day...
the Sabbath day...
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Lord of the Sabbath...
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the New Testament...
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Acts of the Apostles...
they met together on the Sabbath
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they went where prayers were
to be made on the Sabbath...
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I mean, all the Gentiles
came to them on the next Sabbath
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to hear the Word of God...
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John was in the
Spirit on the Lord's Day...
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of course, that's
the Seventh-day Sabbath,
00:20:00.36\00:20:01.86
so, all of that, you know,
00:20:01.90\00:20:03.30
"Here are they that keep
the Commandments of God... "
00:20:03.33\00:20:04.67
the Law, of course is
not the way we're saved
00:20:04.70\00:20:07.44
but it is a standard
by which we understand
00:20:07.50\00:20:10.17
that we are sinners and
therefore we are led to Christ
00:20:10.21\00:20:13.88
who forgives us for our sins
00:20:13.91\00:20:15.54
and then empowers us to live
according to those principles
00:20:15.58\00:20:17.91
of loving God with all
our heart and mind and soul...
00:20:17.95\00:20:19.38
loving our
neighbors as ourselves...
00:20:19.41\00:20:20.75
I mean, all of those were there.
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but when I read this...
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when I read this, I was like,
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"Wow!"
00:20:25.19\00:20:27.32
Ivor: Why would
Satan want to change that?
00:20:27.36\00:20:31.09
James: Hmmm...
00:20:31.13\00:20:32.46
Ivor: It is like,
"If it's not a big deal,
00:20:32.49\00:20:34.80
why does he...?"
00:20:34.83\00:20:36.43
You know it's a big
deal, if he tries to change it.
00:20:36.46\00:20:38.33
James: That was it, right
there, that was the point.
00:20:38.37\00:20:40.17
Ivor: He's like, "I'm
going to go after this... "
00:20:40.24\00:20:41.60
well, whatever he goes after,
00:20:41.64\00:20:42.97
that... I want to
do the opposite...
00:20:43.00\00:20:45.34
so if he's trying
to say, "Go right... "
00:20:45.37\00:20:47.68
I'm like, "Whoa,
I'm going left. "
00:20:47.74\00:20:49.61
Yvonne: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:20:49.64\00:20:51.31
Ivor: It's just... yeah...
00:20:51.38\00:20:52.98
why would he mess with
this if it wasn't a big deal?
00:20:53.01\00:20:55.78
Yvonne: Right, that's so true.
00:20:55.82\00:20:57.62
Ivor: It's the only Commandment
that has to do with time...
00:20:57.65\00:20:59.12
so, when we look at
changing times and laws...
00:20:59.15\00:21:02.39
we're looking at this very
specific mention of the Sabbath
00:21:02.42\00:21:06.26
but it's not just the Sabbath
00:21:06.29\00:21:07.70
because the
worship of graven images...
00:21:07.73\00:21:09.93
bowing down before idols...
00:21:09.96\00:21:11.30
James: That's plural...
00:21:11.33\00:21:12.67
Ivor: That's
right... and we see again
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what happened in
Daniel chapter 3...
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"Worship this image... "
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what happens in chapter 5?
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A Law that is changed that
has to do with time and worship
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or worship time if you will...
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James: Six...
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Ivor: Chapter six... and
that law can't be changed
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it's... it's solidified
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and now you must do
what we say... or you die
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and so, we look at
these things, we say,
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"Okay, all these
lessons that we've been learning
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from Daniel 1 to 6 are
helping us to understand
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what is now unfolding
here in Daniel chapter 7.
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All: Hmmm...
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James: So, the
other thing I think
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that's really significant here
is the connection with the image
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Daniel chapter 2...
and where it takes us...
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this takes us to
the very end of time...
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it takes us to the judgment.
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A time of judgment is set
up and we're seeing a power
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and one of the
characteristics of this power...
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so, today we don't see
Babylon... literal Babylon...
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we don't see
literal Medo-Persia...
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we don't see literal Greece...
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we don't see literal pagan Rome
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but this power is
very much alive today...
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it's very much in
existence today...
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it's very strong
today... over a billion people
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so, what we've got here in
the relationship to this is,
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you've got another
fulfillment of prophecy...
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another characteristic
of this power identified
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that it would continue on
all the way to the judgment.
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Ivor: Yeah, in other words,
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the end-time
enemy of God's people
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is not some secular
king of the south...
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you know, Atheistic...
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what God is saying...
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well, God is showing
is that this end-time...
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the end-time
enemy of God's people
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is going to be that
which appears as Christianity.
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James: Yeah, close counterfeit.
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Ivor: Close...
and remember this,
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God is not condemning
people in this System, right?
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Just like He didn't
condemn Nebuchadnezzar,
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He was against Babylon
but not Nebuchadnezzar.
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So, there are millions and
millions of "Nebuchadnezzar's"
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if you will who... who are
having this experience with God
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that we cannot judge, right?
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But the System
itself is something else.
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James: A System that
meets these characteristics.
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Ivor: Yes.
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James: A System
that changes God's Law.
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Ivor: That's right.
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James: Because I
remember when I was a kid,
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you know, I would
go into Confession...
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I would come out and I
would have to say so many "Hail
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Mary's" and so many "Our
Fathers" in front of a statue...
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I mean, I would go and stand...
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and people say, "Oh, they're not
really praying to the statue. "
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Well, I was...
that's the way I was taught.
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Ivor: Yeah... yeah... yeah.
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James: And that's
the second commandment.
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We don't set up
any kind of image
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and bow down and
worship before them...
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not of God... not of Christ...
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not of any human
being... anything...
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and bow down before
in show of reverence.
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I don't know how
much... I don't know...
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it seems like we
have more in Daniel 7
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than we could cover,
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I know that there's something
I do want to share in terms of
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what we saw in
chapter... chapter 7
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where Daniel is beholding this
fourth beast or this Little Horn
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until the Ancient
of Days took His seat.
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James: Yeah, let's do that.
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Ivor: So, what I want you
guys to kind of get here is
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you have Babylon,
Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome...
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and then this
Little... the ten horns
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and then this Little Horn.
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Daniel is beholding
this Little Horn until...
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so what does that mean?
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He's looking at this Little
Horn and he's beholding...
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whatever he's
beholding... it's existing
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and then he says, "I
beheld this Little Horn
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until I saw the
Ancient of Days. "
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James: Hmmm...
00:24:34.70\00:24:36.04
Ivor: And now he sees
the Ancient of Days seated
00:24:36.07\00:24:38.04
and so, basically
what he's saying is,
00:24:38.07\00:24:39.84
"I was looking at the
dominion of this Little Horn
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until something else happens...
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something else
caught my attention. "
00:24:44.71\00:24:46.15
Yvonne: Hmmm...
Jason: Hmmm... Hmmm...
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Ivor: So, the question
is, how this Little Horn
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must have been ruling for
an extended period of time
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from its rise out of Rome
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until he sees this judgment
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and in this judgment, you
have the Ancient of Days sitting
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and you have the appearance
of Jesus Christ coming
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before the Ancient of Days...
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not coming to the earth...
coming to the Ancient of Days.
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James: Yeah, and
books are opened.
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Ivor: And books are opened.
00:25:10.01\00:25:11.34
James: And thousands
and ten thousands of angels
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are looking on. Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: This is
in Daniel chapter 7
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and we're going to
do one re-cap here...
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there's seven we can do...
I just want to focus on one.
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Jesus Christ... first
temptation appetite, Daniel 1.
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Second
temptation... Jesus falling...
00:25:25.42\00:25:28.72
stone being against
the foot... Daniel 2.
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Third temptation... "bow down"
that's beginning of His ministry
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right? Daniel chapter 4...
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the tree... which really is
a counterfeit of the true tree
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which is the cross of Calvary.
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Daniel chapter 5...
Cyrus goes underground...
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Jesus... in His
death opens the gates,
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Daniel chapter 6... Daniel
comes up out of the Lions' Den
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that stone is
removed and he is victorious.
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Jesus ascending
or... ascending from death
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and then, Daniel chapter 7...
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you have Jesus
as our High Priest.
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All: Hmmm...
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Ivor: That's... you know,
00:26:04.03\00:26:05.63
how we're looking at
things happening on earth,
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we're still seeing
this event unfold...
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Daniel chapter 1 all
the way through chapter 12
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is going to show us the...
00:26:12.90\00:26:14.24
not only the
movements of the Little Horn
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and the movements of
God's people at the end of time
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but it's actually
showing you at the same time
00:26:18.84\00:26:21.01
keep your eye on Jesus...
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keep your eye on Jesus
00:26:22.71\00:26:24.28
because in Daniel 8
what we're going to see
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is the cleansing
of the sanctuary.
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James: Yes.
00:26:27.18\00:26:28.52
Ivor: Which is
what prepares Jesus...
00:26:28.55\00:26:30.12
Michael to ultimately stand up
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in Daniel chapter
12 verses 1 and 2.
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James: And I
love that because...
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were you going to
say something? Jason: No.
00:26:36.09\00:26:38.09
James: I love that
because the picture of the books
00:26:38.13\00:26:39.89
being opened isn't ominous...
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I mean, it's...
it's a scary picture...
00:26:41.63\00:26:43.06
and the beast being judged...
00:26:43.10\00:26:44.67
we need to understand that
when those books are opened
00:26:44.70\00:26:47.47
and the reason why
that beast is judged
00:26:47.50\00:26:48.87
and given to the
flames is because
00:26:48.90\00:26:50.54
that beast has
developed a System
00:26:50.57\00:26:52.57
that takes
people's eyes off of Jesus
00:26:52.61\00:26:54.54
but when the books are opened...
when your eyes are on Christ
00:26:54.58\00:26:57.75
and your trust is in His perfect
life and substitutionary death,
00:26:57.78\00:27:00.95
you're good... you are good
00:27:00.98\00:27:02.88
and that's why this
beast is judged so severely
00:27:02.92\00:27:06.32
because God wants
people to be good,
00:27:06.35\00:27:08.62
He wants people to be saved
by Christ's righteousness alone
00:27:08.66\00:27:11.43
and not by a works-based System
00:27:11.46\00:27:13.23
and He wants
them to rest in Jesus
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which is symbolized
by keeping the Sabbath
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because when you
keep the Sabbath...
00:27:16.73\00:27:18.17
you remember the Sabbath...
00:27:18.20\00:27:19.53
you're resting in the
finished work of Jesus
00:27:19.57\00:27:21.40
for our salvation
00:27:21.44\00:27:22.77
and so, we don't want
this to be a judgment...
00:27:22.80\00:27:25.37
"Oh, that's a terrible thing,
00:27:25.44\00:27:26.78
we're not going to
make it through... "
00:27:26.81\00:27:28.14
no, this judgment is good news
00:27:28.18\00:27:29.51
because this is the time
when Jesus stands for us.
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Ivor: And we'll see
that in Daniel chapter 8
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because Daniel
chapter 7 is just like,
00:27:33.48\00:27:35.45
"Okay, there's a judgment...
what is this judgment about?
00:27:35.48\00:27:37.79
I don't get it... "
00:27:37.82\00:27:39.15
like, "What's going on here?"
00:27:39.19\00:27:40.52
Daniel 8... all
this stuff is God saying,
00:27:40.56\00:27:42.99
"Okay, are you
focused, are you focused?
00:27:43.43\00:27:44.76
All right, we're
ready for Daniel 8...
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I'm going to show you
what this judgment is about. "
00:27:46.26\00:27:48.13
James: Amen, yeah, so now I
can't wait to get to Daniel 8.
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Yvonne: Laughter.
00:27:51.30\00:27:52.63
James: Got to get
to Daniel 8, all right,
00:27:52.67\00:27:54.10
we're out of time for
this session, praise God.
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