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James: We have
arrived, kind of...
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we've gotten half way
through the book of Daniel
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1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6...
there are 12 chapters...
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we're in chapter 7.
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Chapter 7... we're going to
slow down a little bit here,
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I'm thinking may...
well, anyway, we don't know...
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but it's going
to... yeah, we'll see...
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it's going to take us a
while, well, we've got...
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we've got some
heavy stuff coming up,
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just heavy stuff...
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a lot of symbolism in
here... a lot of meaning...
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a lot of prophetic meaning...
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we're going to get a
lot of help from the image
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which we've already studied,
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so, that's going to be like...
a little bit of a guiding light
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as we move into chapter 7,
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it's going to
help us to navigate...
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hmmm... what these symbols mean.
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Also, we're going to
get some angelic help.
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Chapter 7 is one of those
places where an angel steps in
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and actually says, "Hey Daniel,
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let me tell you a
little bit about these symbols
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and what they mean... "
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and that's really
cool when it happens.
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Yvonne: Yeah...
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James: So, good stuff
right here let's dive in
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with a word of
prayer and then get started.
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Who'd like to pray for us?
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Yvonne: I'll pray, "Father,
thank you so very much again
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for bringing us together
to... to study your Word
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and to learn your plan, Lord,
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we thank you that
you've given us a plan
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and so, we just
pray that we will gain
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and glean from Your Word
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and that your
Spirit will be with us...
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guide us and direct us, we
pray in Jesus' name, amen. "
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All: Amen.
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James: All right Jason,
let's just jump right in here,
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Daniel 7 verses 1 through
8, let's just take a chunk.
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Jason: In the first year
Belshazzar king of Babylon,
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Daniel had a dream
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and visions of his
head while on his bed.
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Then he wrote down the
dream, telling the main facts.
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Daniel spoke, saying, "I
saw in my vision by night,
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and behold, the
four winds of heaven
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were stirring up the Great Sea.
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And four great
beasts came up from the sea,
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each different from the other.
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The first was like a
lion, and had eagle's wings.
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I watched till its
wings were plucked off;
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and it was
lifted up from the earth
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and made to stand
on two feet like a man,
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and a man's
heart was given to it.
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And suddenly another
beast, a second, like a bear.
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It was raised up on one side,
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and had three ribs in
its mouth between its teeth.
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And they said thus to it:
'Arise devour much flesh!'
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After this, I looked,
and there was another,
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like a leopard, which had on
its back four wings of a bird.
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The beast also had four heads,
and dominion was given to it.
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After this I saw
in the night visions,
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and behold, a fourth
beast, dreadful and terrible,
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exceedingly strong.
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It had huge iron teeth;
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it was devouring,
breaking in pieces,
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and trampling the
residue with its feet.
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It was different from all
the beasts that were before it,
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and it had ten horns.
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I was considering the horns,
and there was another horn,
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a little one,
coming up among them,
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before whom three
of the first horns
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were plucked out by the roots.
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And there, in
this horn, were eyes
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like the eyes of a man,
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and a mouth
speaking pompous words. "
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: Wow! so the first
thing we notice about this
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is it's highly symbolic
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and Daniel is having this vision
in the first year of Belshazzar,
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now, we talked
about this a little bit...
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this takes us all the way
back to about Daniel chapter 4,
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because by Daniel
chapter 5, Belshazzar is gone...
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Babylon is gone...
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so, this is the
first year of Belshazzar,
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so, this goes back to Daniel
4 which is kind of important
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because it connects
with an earlier vision
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that was given to Nebuchadnezzar
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and that vision was
the vision of the image
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that had a head of gold
and went all the way down
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in successive kingdoms
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until we came to the stone
that hit the image at the feet
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and then filled the whole earth.
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So, Babylon,
Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome
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were the four
kingdoms of the image
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and we started
with the head of gold
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and then we went to
the... the chest of silver...
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and then, we went
to the thighs of brass
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and then we went
down to the feet of iron
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and then the
toes... iron and clay.
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Ivor: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: The legs and feet of iron
so, is this a similar vision?
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Is this a symbolism of kingdoms?
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Let's just take a
look at a couple of verses
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in the rest of the chapter,
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we're just going
to single them out,
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this is where an
angel comes to Daniel
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to kind of help him
with the interpretation.
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Verse... Yvonne, could
you read for us verse 17.
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Yvonne: Oh, sure,
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"Those great
beasts, which are four,
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are four kings which
arise out of the earth. "
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James: Okay, and then verse 23.
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Yvonne: "Thus he said:
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the fourth beast shall be
a fourth kingdom on earth,
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which shall be different
from all other kingdoms,
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and shall
devour the whole earth,
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trample it and
break it in pieces. "
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James: So, we're not
actually here talking about
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a lion with eagle's wings
or a leopard with four heads
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or a terrible beast, you know,
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with these little
horns coming out...
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those are descriptive
or symbolic of kingdoms...
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earthly kingdoms...
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kingdoms that
arise out of the earth
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and kings that conquer territory
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and these kingdoms
are symbolized in this way
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because of the various
characteristics that they have
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in their dominion
or in their conquering.
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For example, one of
the beasts is a leopard,
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what are leopards known for?
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speed... and it has four wings
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so, that means
it's going to be even...
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there's going to
be even more speed.
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This leopard would represent...
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if you follow the
outline of Daniel chapter 2,
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it would represent Greece
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and Greece conquered the world
very quickly... very rapidly.
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I think Alexander the Great was
in his early 30s when he died.
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He had already conquered
the world by his death.
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So, so what we're
looking at here is
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these beasts
represent kingdoms and kings
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and the characteristics
of the beast represent
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the different characteristics
of those kingdoms,
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for example, the bear
was lifted up on one side...
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well, that's because
the bear was a combination
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of the Medes and the Persians
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and the lifting
up of one side means
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that one side was a
little stronger than the other.
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The Persians became a
little stronger than the Medes.
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So, all of these characteristics
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symbolize characteristics of the
kingdoms that they represent.
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Ivor: Remember what we discussed
in previous programs...
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in Daniel 2, you
have the image of a man,
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in Daniel 7, you
have an image of...
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you know, image of beasts...
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and what God is showing
in those combined visions is,
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"Look, the kingdoms of men
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have become beastly
in nature" number one...
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number two... a good
memory devise you can use
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to actually lock
this vision into your mind
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is the fact that we
can do it like this...
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Daniel 2 is the head of gold
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but in Daniel 7 it's the
lion with eagle's wings, right?
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So I like to think of
the golden lion... right?
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Yvonne: Aaah... James: Got you.
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Ivor: Or the silver... bear
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or the brass... leopard
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or the iron...
non-descript beast...
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dragon...
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and what you, you know, when...
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it was interesting when you read
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I'm not sure, I think it
was verse 19 where it said,
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it will be a fourth kingdom.
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The KJV says, "It shall be the
fourth kingdom upon the earth"
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so, that lets us know,
"Well the fourth kingdom...
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I already know who
that is from Daniel 2
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that would have been
that iron kingdom... "
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and then you look at
this connection where...
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you know it's so interesting...
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this fourth beast
has great iron teeth.
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Yvonne: Yes.
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Ivor: Oh, that
reminds me of the iron legs
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which was the fourth
kingdom in Daniel chapter 2.
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Yvonne: Right.
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Ivor: And what does the
beast... what does the...
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what do the legs do in Daniel 2?
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well, they broke in pieces...
they broke and bruised.
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What is the fourth
beast doing in Daniel 7?
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It breaks and
bruises... it breaks in pieces
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so, you see this connection.
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Well, if the
fourth beast of Daniel 2
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matches the
fourth beast of Daniel 7,
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then, we know
that the third beast
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must be the same
third kingdom in Daniel 2
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and the second beast must be the
same second kingdom in Daniel 2
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and the first beast must be the
same first kingdom in Daniel 2,
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so, we're looking
at this parallel...
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and then we see, "Okay,
well if the fourth kingdom
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had ten toes...
then, ah, I get this now,
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the ten toes correspond with
the ten horns of Daniel 7... "
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and then we see,
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"Well, what about
this clay in Daniel 2?"
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Because
remember, the clay comes up
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among the iron
that's already there...
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"Oh, this little horn...
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little horn that we'll read
about a little bit further on
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as we continue on in chapter,
parallels with that clay... "
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and now, remember in Daniel 2,
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we didn't see what the...
what the clay and the iron did.
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All we know is, "Hey,
whatever this thing did...
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we know there's a combination
of Church and State...
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that much we know but
we're not sure what...
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what it does that
causes Jesus to say,
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'Okay, enough is enough... '"
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: Now in Daniel 7,
we're going to begin to see...
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"Wait a minute... whoa...
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is that what the
little horn is doing?"
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And now we get a
little more insight
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into why Daniel
chapter 12 verse 1 occurs...
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why Michael stands
up, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yvonne: So, can you
just go over that...
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the golden
lion... the silver bear...
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Ivor: The bronze
or brass... Leopard...
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and then the iron...
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James: Terrible
beast. Ivor: Terrible beast.
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James: It's
described as a terrible beast.
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Ivor: Yes, so we'll
just use "terrible beast. "
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James: It's a
Biblical term... "terrible. "
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Ivor: Yes, yes,
terrible... and it means...
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it actually means,
like, "magnificent"
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which is just
like, "overwhelming"
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I mean, kind of like
when you saw the image
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and it was
terrible in Daniel 2...
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it's overwhelming like,
"Whoa, what is this?" right?
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So... so the ten toes are
going to parallel the ten horns
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and the clay is going to
parallel the Little Horn.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: So, all
we're seeing here...
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and this is an interesting way
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to also think of
the book of Daniel
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as every chapter... all
the prophetic chapters like,
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truly prophetic chapters...
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so, even though
we've seen prophecy,
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right... in all the chapters...
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even the historical chapters,
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the truly prophetic chapters,
Daniel 2, 7, 8, 9 and 11 and 12
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are going to follow this pattern
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of what I like to
call "nothing new"
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only "more detail. "
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James: Hmmm...
Yvonne: Repeat and enlarge...
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Ivor: Repeat and
enlarge... Yvonne: Okay.
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Ivor: Daniel...
if you have Daniel 2,
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and that's the powerful thing
about the book of Daniel...
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once you have Daniel 2...
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you have everything you need
to understand the rest of the...
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the rest of the
prophetic chapters.
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James: Yup. Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Because there is...
Yvonne: Hmmm... including 11.
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Ivor: Including 11... because
there's really nothing new,
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only more detail...
and so, the details...
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that's why Daniel 11 looks
so... like, "What is Daniel...?"
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Daniel 11 is just a
detailed description of events
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occurring in
Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome
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because we'll see that
Babylon falls off the scene
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in Daniel 11... so, we
pick up with Medo-Persia,
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and go through...
and so, now I know...
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"Okay, at least I know
this about Daniel 11... "
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all I'm looking at in Daniel
11 is history that unfolded
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through Medo-Persia, Greece,
Rome and this Little Horn.
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Okay, wow... we
just simplified Daniel 11
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at least to some degree...
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well, now I know, I'm
not looking for, you know,
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I know I've narrowed
down what I'm looking for
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and I'm looking for
events that unfold within...
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within the context...
what we've seen in Daniel 2.
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Yvonne: Right, right.
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James: Nothing
new... just more for you.
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Ivor: Yup... All: Laughter.
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Yvonne: I like that.
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James: All right,
let's keep reading then,
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because even though
we may not have recovered
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all the details in here,
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as we keep reading,
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we're going to see this
whole thing connects together
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so, a lot of what
we're going to read still
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is going to repeat some
of what we've already read...
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though there's going to
be some new feathers in here
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so, so let's read
now verses 9 through 14.
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Jason: "I watched till
thrones were put in place,
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and the Ancient
of Days was seated;
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His garment was white as snow,
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and the hair of His
head was like pure wool.
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His throne was a fiery flame,
it's wheels a burning fire;
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a fiery stream issued and
came forth from before Him.
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A thousand
thousands ministered to Him.
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Ten thousand times ten
thousand stood before Him.
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The court was seated,
and the books were opened.
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I watched then because of
the sound of the pompous words
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which the horn was speaking;
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I watched till
the beast was slain,
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and its body destroyed and
given to the burning flame.
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As for the rest of the beasts,
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they had their
dominion taken away,
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yet their lives were prolonged
for a season and a time.
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I was watching in
the night visions,
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and behold, One
like the Son of Man,
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coming with the
clouds of heaven!
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He came to the Ancient of Days,
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and they brought
Him near before Him.
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Then to Him was given dominion
and glory and a kingdom,
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that all peoples, nations,
and languages should serve Him.
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His dominion is an
everlasting dominion,
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which shall not pass away,
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and His kingdom the one
which shall not be destroyed. "
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James: Okay, so, a little
bit more information here,
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we've got now this
continuation that takes place
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where it comes into the
place of God's presence.
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You've got thrones, verse 9,
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that are cast down or set up...
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the Ancient of Days sits
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and you've got a
judgment taking place
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and this judgment take place
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in the presence of 1,000s
and 10,000s of His angels...
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books are opened...
records are looked at...
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an investigation is
made into record books
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and specifically the words
which this little horn spoke
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is being considered and judged
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and this little horn
is going to be slain...
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the beast... the fourth beast
that carries this Little Horn
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is going to be slain
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and his body is
going to be destroyed
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and given to the burning flames.
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So, the way this reads
so far... it's consecutive,
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we're going from
one king to the next
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all the way
through to the judgment
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and finally that fourth
kingdom is... is... is judged
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through the
books that are opened
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and a sentence is
pronounced and it's executed.
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Now, then Daniel goes back and
in the next verse and he says,
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"And concerning the
rest of the beasts... "
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because they haven't
been dealt with yet...
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just this last one has...
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"Concerning the
rest of the beasts... "
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here's a really
interesting verse,
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"Their dominion was taken away:
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yet their lives were prolonged
for a season and a time. "
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Ivor: Hmmm...
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James: Now, I'd just kind
of open that up a little bit,
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what does that mean?
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And what is
happening right here is...
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we're going to find
that the judgment that comes
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on the fourth beast
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is really
inclusive of all the others
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because the life
being prolonged...
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Dominion is like their military
might... like their control...
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we know that Babylon gave
that up to the Medo-Persians
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who gave it up to the Grecians
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who gave it up to the Romans
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who give it up to
the Little Horn Power
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but the life of a
nation is basically... its...
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its customs... its traditions...
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its culture... its religion...
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even its material wealth
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and so, what this
is saying basically is,
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when it says, "Their
lives were prolonged... "
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it's the
customs... the traditions...
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the culture... of
these previous nations
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continues to live
on into the next one...
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and on into the next one...
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and we see that even
in the life of Daniel
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because Daniel served Babylon
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and then he lived
on into Medo-Persia.
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So, you've got customs
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and so, when the
Bible uses Babylon
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in a spiritual sense in
the book of Revelation...
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at the end of time...
Babylon... why Babylon?
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Babylon passed from
the scene a long time ago,
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"Oh... but its
culture... its customs...
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its traditions...
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its life is prolonged
for a season and a time... "
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so, when the final
fourth kingdom is brought down,
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Babylon comes down.
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Babylon is
fallen... that's the extent...
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it doesn't have dominion
but its life has been extended
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and we talked in the
last program about Medo-Persia
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and this thing
where they pass a law...
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it can't be changed...
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that's part of the
custom of Medo-Persia,
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it's been passed
on... you see that?
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So, when we get
to Revelation 13,
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we have a beast
that comes out of the sea
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and it has feet like a bear...
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Ivor: Parts of
it... remnants of it.
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James: Yeah. Ivor:
It's not the whole thing.
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James: It's not the
whole thing. Yvonne: Ahhh...
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It has a mouth like a lion...
it has a body like a leopard...
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the customs... the traditions...
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the lives are prolonged
for a season and a time
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so, when this last piece comes
down... they all come down.
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When the feet come down,
the whole statue comes down.
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Ivor: Yeah, that's what
I was going to point out
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because it says they
were destroyed together
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so, you think, "Wait a minute,
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Babylon fell...
thousands of years ago
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and Medo-Persia...
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how is it that
when the stone comes,
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it destroys the image...
everything together... "
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right, even though
it strikes the feet
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everything is destroyed together
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and that's because
each of these principles
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from these
different kingdoms live on
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and culminate
in that final power
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that is going to attack
God's people at the end of time.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... Ivor: Yeah.
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James: So, we're looking
at these last two verses here
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in verses 13 and 14,
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we see the Son of man coming...
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the Son of man...
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you know the job of the Preacher
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and we're all preachers
right here at this table...
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we're preaching to each other
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but we're all preaching.
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the job of the preacher is
to get across country to Calvary
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as fast as possible
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and so, here we
are... we're there.
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we're where the Son of
man is and what we find here
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is... is ultimately Jesus Christ
has earned the right to reclaim
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this planet as His.
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Ultimately He's going to be
given the kingdom and the glory
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and the power and
honor of this earth.
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All those kingdoms
are going to come down
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and so, the stone hits the feet
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and grinds it and
brings down the whole image,
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it grows and it
fills the whole earth
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and that stone...
that "rock" is Jesus.
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Yvonne: Yes... yes.
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James: It is Jesus Christ.
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Yvonne: So for those who...
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there are some
people who say that
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the Father and the
Son are the same person
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it's all one...
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but this shows the
Ancient of days was seated
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and it describes Him
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and then it talks
about the Son of man
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so, it shows that, "No,
they're not one and the same
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they're two
different beings... "
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and it's so
interesting to hear...
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I can't wait to
just see Jesus' face...
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you know, just to see His face
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and see His eyes and all that.
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This describes the
Father, the Ancient of days...
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this is the
Father, is it not? Okay...
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so, this is
describing the Father
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and yet, because God is a Spirit
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I know this is kind
of off but you know,
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we get to ask anything...
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so, because He's a spirit,
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is He contained with one
place with head and eyes and...
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or... the Bible does say,
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"For the eyes of the Lord
searched out the whole earth"
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you know, so, He does have eyes
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but what I'm saying
is, does He have a form?
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Does the Father who is a
spirit... does He have a form?
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James: I believe He does.
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Yvonne: This is saying
basically that He does.
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He has a garment
on... He has hair...
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so, this is kind of
giving us insight into...
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kind of what the Father...
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I mean, I guess He can present
Himself any way He wants to
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and in this case, He's
presenting Himself with a form.
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James: And He does the
same thing in Revelation.
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Revelation chapter
4... John sees a throne...
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not only that but he sees
someone sitting on the throne...
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His form was like...
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and he sees someone
sitting at His right hand
00:20:21.85\00:20:24.25
and then... Jesus talks
about, "When I come back,
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I'm going to sit at the
right hand of power... "
00:20:26.69\00:20:29.06
and... and He
talks about His Father
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and... "If you've seen
Me, you've seen the Father"
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so, you know the devils are
spirits but they have forms...
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: There are
ministering spirits we are told
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with the form so,
yeah, they have a form
00:20:40.10\00:20:41.97
but beyond that, we
just have to tread lightly...
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like, we're not exactly sure
what exactly God... the form is
00:20:46.17\00:20:50.75
or... you know what I'm saying?
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So, definitely, we have to...
00:20:52.15\00:20:53.72
we have to back
up a little bit there
00:20:53.75\00:20:55.48
but for sure... there's a form
00:20:55.52\00:20:57.15
and for sure there
are two different persons
00:20:57.19\00:20:58.79
even though they are one
in their character, et cetera,
00:20:58.82\00:21:01.89
et cetera, they're
still two different persons.
00:21:01.92\00:21:03.32
Yvonne: Yes,
that's good, thank you.
00:21:03.36\00:21:06.39
James: So, okay, so
so far we have this...
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this Revelation that
takes us through consecutively
00:21:10.97\00:21:15.17
all the way to the judgment
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and then we have
dominion given to Jesus Christ
00:21:16.57\00:21:19.71
Who has reclaimed this earth and
finally will be handed to Him
00:21:19.77\00:21:23.41
and then we come
out of the vision,
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Daniel... in
verse 15... he says,
00:21:25.28\00:21:27.02
"I was grieved in my spirit
in the midst of my visions... "
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excuse me... and "I
was grieved in my spirit
00:21:29.88\00:21:33.02
in the midst of my body,
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and the visions of
my head troubled me. "
00:21:34.42\00:21:37.09
Ever experience that anyone?
00:21:37.13\00:21:39.53
when you're reading
Daniel or Revelation
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when you're just like
trying to figure this all out...
00:21:41.36\00:21:43.00
right...
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Jason: Yeah.
00:21:44.63\00:21:46.13
James: Well, welcome
to the Daniel Club...
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it's like, "Wow, I just
couldn't figure this out,
00:21:47.60\00:21:50.34
this was troubling... "
00:21:50.37\00:21:51.97
and so, what happens
when you get troubled
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about Biblical truth,
00:21:54.08\00:21:55.68
"And I came near unto
one of them that stood by
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and asked them
the truth of all this,
00:21:58.71\00:22:00.05
so, he told me and he
made me and he made me know
00:22:00.08\00:22:01.45
the
interpretation of the things. "
00:22:01.48\00:22:02.82
See, God is in the business...
00:22:02.85\00:22:04.69
we don't have to
rely upon ourselves...
00:22:04.75\00:22:06.09
Yvonne: Right.
00:22:06.12\00:22:07.46
James: We're not in this
alone. Yvonne: That's right.
00:22:07.49\00:22:08.82
James: God has blessed
His Word... He sent His Word
00:22:08.86\00:22:10.59
and He's ready to
help us understand His Word
00:22:10.63\00:22:12.66
and this is exactly what
happens when Daniel is troubled,
00:22:12.69\00:22:15.36
and it's not
just about prophecy...
00:22:15.40\00:22:17.40
it's not just
about Biblical knowledge,
00:22:17.47\00:22:19.37
God wants to help us
with whatever troubles us.
00:22:19.40\00:22:21.90
Whenever we have
trouble about something,
00:22:21.94\00:22:23.91
we just need to go near to
those that are standing by,
00:22:23.94\00:22:27.11
what does that mean?
00:22:27.14\00:22:28.48
Well, Jesus says that my angels
in heaven do always watch over
00:22:28.51\00:22:32.45
those little
ones... that's us...
00:22:32.51\00:22:34.25
each one of us has an
angel that watches over us
00:22:34.28\00:22:36.65
and we can go to God any time...
00:22:36.69\00:22:38.55
we can tell Him our troubles...
our burdens... our sorrows...
00:22:38.59\00:22:40.69
nothing escapes His notice
00:22:40.72\00:22:42.26
and there's nothing He's not
interested in helping us with
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so, whatever troubles us,
we just need to take it to God,
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take it to God, take
it to God. Yvonne: Yeah.
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James: At this particular time
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it was prophecy
that was troubling Daniel
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so, he's like, "I
got to figure this out. "
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Yvonne: Yeah... yeah.
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Ivor: When we learn to trust God
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in the little
times of trouble...
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Yvonne: Oh, come on... come on.
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Ivor: We
understand what it means...
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we gain that experience
to learn to trust in...
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in the Daniel 12
times of trouble.
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Ivor: Right? James:
"Such as never was. "
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Ivor: "Such as
never was... " absolutely,
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that's that Job experience,
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now... and that's what we see
happening at the time of the end
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there's an
experience such as never was
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and unless we have been walking
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in the way that
Daniel has walked,
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unless we have been learning to
trust God in the little trials,
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unless we've been learning
to overcome in the little things
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it's going to be
an overwhelming time
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you know, in
that time of trouble
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and if Daniel's relationship
was uncertain with God,
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like, at any time...
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just... just imagine,
if you're thinking like...
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"You know, man,
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I'm really struggling
in my relationship now,
00:23:49.96\00:23:51.76
and I doubt God now...
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what do you do when the
heat really gets turned up?"
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Yvonne: Yes.
00:23:57.50\00:23:58.83
Ivor: You don't
typically get stronger
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when the heat gets turned up
if you've been flailing along,
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when the heat turns up,
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that's when
you're super overwhelmed,
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like, "Yeah, I just can't...
00:24:09.18\00:24:10.51
if I couldn't
handle this thing... "
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if you can't hang
with the footmen, right?
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How are you going to
do in the time of horses?
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James: Jeremiah
12:5. Ivor: Yeah.
00:24:19.09\00:24:20.42
Yvonne: Yeah.
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Ivor: So, are we...
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we should probably get into...
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we should probably
save it for the next program
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to actually go back and
get into the details of the...
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the wings of the... of...
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James: The ribs...
Yvonne: That's good.
00:24:34.70\00:24:36.64
James: We don't have
to save, we can start now.
00:24:36.71\00:24:38.64
Ivor: It's up to you,
yeah, I'll follow your lead.
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James: So, so right
here, Daniel is asking...
00:24:40.64\00:24:43.31
just finishing
this idea of help...
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Daniel is asking...
and then this angel...
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heavenly being of
some kind comes...
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and we read the verse, verse 17,
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"These great
beasts, which are four,
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are four kings, which
shall arise out of the earth.
00:24:55.09\00:24:57.86
But the saints of the Most
High shall take the kingdom,
00:24:57.89\00:25:00.63
and possess it...
the kingdom forever,
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even forever and ever. "
00:25:02.23\00:25:03.90
And then, Daniel says,
00:25:03.93\00:25:05.53
"I want to know more
about the fourth beast... "
00:25:05.57\00:25:06.94
and we're going
to stop right here
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and we're going to go back,
00:25:08.34\00:25:09.67
with the
instruction of the angel,
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we're going to go back
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and we're going to
say, "Okay, now we know
00:25:12.44\00:25:13.78
that these beasts
represent kingdoms... "
00:25:13.81\00:25:15.74
all right, go back
to the first one...
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this beast... what are the
characteristics of this kingdom?
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Okay, so, it's really
interesting when you look at
00:25:20.72\00:25:24.39
the correlation
here... the parallel...
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when you look at this
beast a lion with eagle's wings,
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that was a symbol of Babylon.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:25:34.60\00:25:35.96
James: When you think about
00:25:36.00\00:25:37.33
the idea of beasts
representing kingdoms,
00:25:37.37\00:25:40.04
it's not really a
foreign idea to us,
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for example,
00:25:42.87\00:25:44.57
the United States of
America is symbolized by a...
00:25:44.61\00:25:47.04
Yvonne: Eagle. James: An Eagle.
00:25:47.08\00:25:49.44
James: China.
00:25:49.48\00:25:50.81
Yvonne: Oh, I don't know China.
00:25:50.85\00:25:52.81
Jason: I don't know that one.
00:25:52.85\00:25:54.72
Ivor: Oh yeah, China
is the... you know...
00:25:54.75\00:25:58.52
James: Russia...
Ivor: Russia is the bear.
00:25:58.55\00:26:01.02
James: Russia is
the bear... English...
00:26:01.06\00:26:03.99
Ivor: England is the...
00:26:04.03\00:26:07.63
James: I got a quiz for...
England is the lion, right?
00:26:07.66\00:26:11.90
England is a lion.
Ivor: England is the lion.
00:26:11.93\00:26:13.64
James: And China is... a dragon.
00:26:13.67\00:26:15.74
Ivor: That's
right. Yvonne: Oh, wow!
00:26:15.77\00:26:17.21
James: See, it's
not a foreign thing...
00:26:17.24\00:26:18.61
it's not a foreign
thing is what I'm saying,
00:26:18.64\00:26:20.38
I mean, Canada is
a maple leaf but...
00:26:20.41\00:26:23.24
All: Laughter.
00:26:23.28\00:26:24.61
James: A lot of these countries
are represented by animals.
00:26:24.65\00:26:27.98
Yvonne: That's true.
00:26:28.02\00:26:29.35
James: So, God is speaking
in a language right here,
00:26:29.38\00:26:30.82
He's communicating the way
that we're communicating...
00:26:30.85\00:26:32.65
even we can
relate to it even today,
00:26:32.72\00:26:34.59
so, when you go back to history
and you look at the remnants
00:26:34.62\00:26:37.59
of destroyed Babylon...
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the gate, for
example, of Babylon
00:26:39.23\00:26:40.80
is still in the museum in Russia
00:26:40.83\00:26:42.40
and you look at the
symbols that they used...
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a lion with eagle's wings was a
symbol of the nation of Babylon.
00:26:44.37\00:26:48.20
Yvonne: Hmmm...
that's interesting.
00:26:48.27\00:26:51.04
James: So, for Daniel
to read this, he's not...
00:26:51.07\00:26:53.84
this isn't really
super mystery to him,
00:26:53.88\00:26:55.28
you know what I
mean? Yvonne: Yeah.
00:26:55.31\00:26:56.64
James: Since we're told
these are nations, like,
00:26:56.68\00:26:58.01
"Oh, so that must be Babylon"
00:26:58.05\00:26:59.38
because that's
what they used to use...
00:26:59.41\00:27:00.75
that's what they...
that's their symbol right there.
00:27:00.78\00:27:02.42
Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:27:02.45\00:27:03.79
James: What about the
bear lifted up on one side
00:27:03.82\00:27:06.65
with three... well,
let's stop right there
00:27:06.69\00:27:08.79
we're running out
of time, aren't we?
00:27:08.82\00:27:10.16
Did you have a thought?
00:27:10.19\00:27:11.53
Ivor: Well, I was
going to add that the fact
00:27:11.56\00:27:12.89
that the wings were plucked...
00:27:12.93\00:27:14.26
you know, wings
cause you to fly...
00:27:14.30\00:27:15.63
cause you to elevate...
00:27:15.66\00:27:17.00
the fact that
the wings are plucked
00:27:17.03\00:27:18.37
signifies the fall of Babylon.
00:27:18.40\00:27:19.80
Yvonne: Oh... hmmm... hmmm...
00:27:19.83\00:27:21.77
Ivor: You
rise... wings are plucked
00:27:21.80\00:27:23.14
if your wings are plucked in
mid-air, you're going to fall.
00:27:23.17\00:27:25.37
James: You're going
to fall. Ivor: Yeah.
00:27:25.41\00:27:26.74
James: And if your wings
are plucked when you're flying,
00:27:26.78\00:27:28.81
you're going to fall hard.
00:27:28.84\00:27:30.18
It was a hard fall.
00:27:30.21\00:27:31.55
Okay, we are running out of
time so we can stop right there,
00:27:31.58\00:27:35.28
we'll pick up with Medo-Persia
as we come back into this,
00:27:35.32\00:27:39.09
we'll talk about the bear...
00:27:39.12\00:27:40.46
talk about lifting up one side
00:27:40.49\00:27:41.82
and it has three
ribs in its mouth.
00:27:41.86\00:27:43.19
Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:27:43.22\00:27:44.56
James: It's
warming up. All: Laughter.
00:27:44.59\00:27:46.26
James: All right
good... good stopping place.
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