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James: Welcome back...
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Yvonne: Yay...
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James: We are in
Daniel chapter 6...
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Yvonne: Yes.
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James: And it's a great chapter.
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This is another
one of those chapters
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that kind of steps
aside from prophecy
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and focuses on
relationship... experience...
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it's going to help us
with our Christian walk...
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the emphasis of this chapter
is prayer and trust in God
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and one of the main
features that we find in here
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is witnessing...
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Daniel is in a situation where
he is going to be witnessing
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or bearing this
incredible testimony
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of God's power and grace and...
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in the context of a
political environment
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and it's going to
really impact Darius
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who is the king
of the Medo-Persians.
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So, we've moved from chapter
5 where Medo-Persia took over,
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the kingdom of
Babylon and Belshazzar fell...
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Darius is now in charge and
he's setting up his kingdom...
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that's basically the context
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of what we're going to be
seeing here in Daniel chapter 6.
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Daniel chapter 6, we're
going to find out later,
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is connected
with Daniel chapter 9.
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All: Hmmm...
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James: When you
look the succession...
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the flow of this...
these chapters in history,
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we're going to find that Daniel
chapter 7 is written in the...
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or is a vision
that Daniel receives
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in the first year of Belshazzar.
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Daniel chapter 8, is a
vision that Daniel receives
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in the third year of Belshazzar.
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So, Daniel 7 and 8
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are received by Daniel
when Belshazzar is ruling
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and Belshazzar's dead...
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so you could actually
read Daniel chapter 4,
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7, 8, 5, 6, 9
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Yvonne: So, it's not
chronologically in order.
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Ivor: Right, right...
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James: And the thing that's cool
about understanding that is that
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6 and 9 not only chronologically
flow consecutively,
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but they also connect together
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because in Daniel chapter 6,
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they're trying to
stop Daniel from praying
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and in Daniel chapter 9...
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Daniel is
praying for understanding
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of the 2,300-Day Prophecy
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so, there's a connection
there that we're going to see,
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in other words,
there's some significance
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to why Daniel is saying,
"I need to keep praying... "
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and I just wanted
to just throw this out
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and then we'll start
with a word of prayer...
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and that is...
prayer is powerful...
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prayer is important
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and Satan will
do anything he can
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to stop us from praying
as we're about to find out.
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Ivor: I want to just
mention this really quickly
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because that point
you mentioned about
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the chronology of
the book of Daniel,
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it's... it's
amazing like, why didn't...
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why wasn't the book just written
in its chronological order?
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but you see the way
the book is written...
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it's almost as if God purposely
like, just set it in this way
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so that we can see this
pattern of Christ's life...
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we can see these
pattern of events...
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you see what I'm saying?
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Like, we
typically write something...
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we're just going to
write it in chronological order
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but the Lord
inspired it to be put this way
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so that we could understand
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events to come
later in Daniel 11
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we could see the chronology
of Christ... the life of Christ,
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and also see, "Hey, this
is what's going to happen
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with God's people at
the time of the end... "
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so, I think that's just a
really powerful observation...
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that's a really
powerful point there, yeah.
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James: All right,
who wants to pray for us?
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Jason: I'll pray.
James: Thank you, Jason.
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Jason: "Dear heavenly Father,
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we thank You so
much for the opportunity
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that we have to
freely study Your Word,
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we just ask that
You would be with us
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as we continue to journey
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through this
powerful book of Daniel,
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and help us to learn principles
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that we can apply
to our everyday lives,
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in Jesus' name, we pray, amen. "
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All: Amen.
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James: All right, let's
start at Daniel chapter 6...
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Yvonne, would you like to read
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just the first
three verses for us?
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Yvonne: Right, "It pleased
Darius to set over the kingdom
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one hundred and twenty satraps,
to be over the whole kingdom;
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and over these, three governors,
of whom Daniel was one,
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that the satraps... "
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satraps... that's a
kind of a tongue twister...
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"satraps might
give account to them,
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so that the king
would suffer no loss.
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Then this Daniel distinguished
himself above the governors
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and satraps, because an
excellent spirit was in him;
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and the king gave thought
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to setting him
over the whole realm. "
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James: "Okay, so this is an
amazing opening to a new kingdom
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Daniel is obviously someone
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that was part of
the Babylonian Empire
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and he was a
prominent part of that Empire.
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He was set over
the Head of that Empire
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and this
knowledge has to be known
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because I'm sure that the
new Rulers are going to say,
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"Okay now, what
did you do in Babylon?"
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and "What did
you do in Babylon?"
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and "What did
you do in Babylon?"
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"Okay, kill those guys... "
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"Okay, what did
you do in Babylon?"
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"What did you do in Babylon... "
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"All right, send
those guys into exile... "
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"Okay, what did
you do in Babylon?"
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"I ruled over the
whole of Babylon. "
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"Hmmm... what are we
going to do with this guy?"
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"Ask him some more questions. "
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"So, what do you
think of the death...?"
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"Ah, I predicted it... "
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"You predicted
the death of B... "
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"Yes. "
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"What do you think
of the fall of Babylon?"
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"I predicted that too...
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God gave Nebuchadnezzar a dream
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and He gave me the dream
and the interpretation...
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and here it is
and I'll... I'll... "
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and he starts... somehow
Darius gets to know Daniel
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and he says, "Wow! that
guy has an excellent spirit
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and he's really...
he's really trustworthy...
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he's an honest guy...
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he's just telling
me the truth... he...
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I want to make him
one of the first...
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one of the first rulers...
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I'm going to have three top guys
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and he's going
to be one of them. "
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Then he starts thinking,
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"I might even put
him at the very top...
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like, maybe yeah... that was...
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I think I might put
him at the very top... "
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and as he's thinking about this,
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of course, he's
probably been talking
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to some of his counselors,
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as he's thinking about this,
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something develops in
the rest of the princes
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or satraps or rulers...
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they... they start... they start
becoming envious or jealous
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and that's what we see as we get
into the rest of these verses.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: Yeah, I'm just thinking
here... this is really...
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I'm looking at this story
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and my mind is just
flashing back to heaven.
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James: Hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: And seeing Christ as
Ruler over the entire realm
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and angels becoming
jealous of the relationship
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between He and His Father
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which is exactly what
happens in this story.
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They are upset about
Daniel's relationship with God
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and we mentioned in the
last Study... the last Program
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that we have here Daniel
being thrown into a Lions' Den
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with a stone put over
it and a seal on that stone
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and it's just like... kind
of like a juiced-down version
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of really... the
entire great controversy
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that unfolded in heaven,
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so, that might be
something that we want to
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kind of think about as
we go through this study
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because this is a
new thought to me,
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but maybe we can
weave that in as we're...
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James: Oh, it's there...
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Ivor: Yeah... yeah.
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James: I mean,
Daniel stands blameless
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from political mud-slinging
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and the war in heaven,
comes from that word "war"
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comes from the word
"Polemic" I think it is...
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Ivor: Yeah, yeah.
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James: That is the basis
for politics... mud-slinging.
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Ivor: Yeah. Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: It was mud-slinging
really is what was taking place
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there... and this
is... yeah... so this,
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that's... that's beautiful.
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Yvonne: Yeah... and...
and professional jealousy...
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we find that
today... I mean, this is...
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these principles and
situations are timeless...
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you know,
professional jealousy...
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and envy and...
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and then being carried from
one Administration to the other,
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think about it... Daniel
was in the former administration
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and now the current
king says, "Wait a minute...
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I think I want you
in my Administration. "
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I mean, like, what
Democrat will bring a Republican
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into his Administration?
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You know, or what Republican
would bring a Democrat in?
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So, it's... it's
very interesting...
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the other thing that jumps out
at me as I read this is Joseph,
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how Joseph got promoted...
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how God had this plan for...
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even though
Joseph was going through
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all of these bad
situations... everything...
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he still was... he ended
up being over the whole realm
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just being second to the
king so, I mean to Pharaoh
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so, it's like how...
how does this happen?
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It's because God has a plan
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and when we are
faithful to God and His plan,
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and we're walking
in His plan for us,
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this is what happens...
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God's plan is to prosper
us... not to have us, you know,
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He wants us to be
the head... not the tail
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and these guys
Joseph and Daniel...
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they became the heads because
they were faithful to God.
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Jason: One of the things that I
love about this story and Joseph
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excellent parallel...
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is that... it shows you
how to operate with integrity
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through tough political climates
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so, they're facing situations
that they could die for...
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they can... this
isn't just, "I'll get fired
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or I'll go to
prison... do some time... "
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this is... no, you can die...
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"We can... we can
either feed you to lions,
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we can burn you up
in... in the chamber...
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I mean, these are your...
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these are some
options that you have. "
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James: Or
comply. Jason: Or comply.
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Yvonne: Right.
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Jason: But in all that... they
chose to remain faithful to God,
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they chose to
operate with integrity...
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they told the truth
even when it was unfavorable
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or unpopular to do so and now...
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those are the days and
times in which we live today
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where it's... it's unfavorable
or unpopular to tell the truth
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because, as we
said in previous Program
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that when you speak
out and speak the truth,
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people... and you disagree with
something that someone's doing,
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they deem you as a "Hater"
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or as... as if
it's a personal attack
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but you're just
operating with integrity
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and staying true
to the principles
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that are found in God's Word.
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All: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: All right, Jason, you're
giving us some real talk here
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and I think it's
really important...
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we should just stay on
this for a little bit...
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I really like what you said,
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I think that we talked
about this a bit last night
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and... and when
you're in ministry...
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when you're in politics...
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Satan doesn't like what God
is doing through His people.
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Satan didn't like what
God was doing through Daniel
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and Daniel was
there for a reason,
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God wanted to use him to
influence and to impact that
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not only to the
king but the nation
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and the direction of the nation.
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We'll see this more when
we get to Daniel chapter 10,
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it's really powerful but
when we're doing God's will,
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Satan comes against us
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and the main thing
we need to remember
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above everything else
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is to stay true to
what it is we're doing
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and what Satan wants to...
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what I'm learning
and this is something
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that I think is really practical
for me right now in my life...
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what I'm learning is...
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is that Satan is
trying to take us off track
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from what we're doing...
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getting us...
getting us distracted...
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you remember when
they were building the wall
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and Sanballat came and they
were making these accusations...
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"Hey, this is written and this
is written and that's been said
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and this has been said
and that's been said... "
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and he said, "I
don't have time for that...
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I cannot come down, I've
got a work that I'm doing"
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and he just stayed focused
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and he could have
gotten all worried and that...
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"You need to hide out...
they're trying to kill me...
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come here and hide
out... you need to do this... "
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"No, I don't have time for that,
I'm going to stay focused... "
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Yvonne: Nehemiah
stayed focused. James: Yes.
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Ivor: Yeah, I think you
look at the principle...
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going back to heaven,
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Lucifer and his
angels... jealous of Christ...
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that principle has
spilled out into the earth,
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so, you see it in
the story of Daniel,
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they're jealous of him
because the story goes on to say
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that they're... they...
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they can't find
anything wrong with him
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or if they're going to
find something wrong with him,
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it needs to be concerning
his relationship with God
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and this is how the
world still operates today,
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like, when you
become a Christian,
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you are exalted
into heavenly places.
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You become royalty
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and what's going to happen
is that people in the world
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and sometimes
people in... in the church
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will begin to be like,
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"I just don't like this
guy's relationship with God,
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I don't like how other
people are looking at this...
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this person's
relationship with God and...
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I don't like
him... I don't like her
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so, we have to
find... I can't...
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we've got to find something... "
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and the Bible
actually uses this term
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where they search
out iniquity, right?
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The wicked search out iniquity,
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"All right, let me go
see, what can I find...
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what can I find?"
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And you find this principle just
prevalent in the world today
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and unfortunately,
even in the church...
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even in the church.
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James: Yeah, the way you
said that was... was... was true
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that in the world and
sometimes in the church
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I would even say that there
are times when we could say that
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in the church and
sometimes in the world.
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Ivor: That's the
right way to say it.
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James: Sometimes the
world is... is more supportive
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of God's people
than the church is...
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and sometimes we have to
find refuge in the world...
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even Jesus... Mary and Joseph
had to find refuge in Egypt
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for a while...
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and David sought refuge outside
of his people for a while,
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Elijah was sent to the
woman of Zarephath remember
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and I think that we...
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God gives us these
lessons to help us right now...
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Joseph was made king in Egypt.
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We are in a place where
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God is reminding us
where our strength is
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and we're... number one where
our strength is... is in prayer,
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is in talking to
God... communing with God
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and letting Him speak in to us
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so let's read
some more verses here.
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Yvonne: Before we do that,
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just so that there's no
misunderstanding by the Viewers
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with what you just said about...
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"sometimes you have to
kind of go into the world... "
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would you just let
them know that's...
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you didn't mean
that they have to leave
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their belief in
God and go out...
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James: Oh, yeah,
absolutely... yeah.
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Yvonne: You know what I mean
because some people will say,
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"Oh, did he just say
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you have to, like, find
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some kind of
companionship with the world?"
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No... that's not what you meant,
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so would you just
explain it a little bit more?
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Ivor: I will... I
will even say this,
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I lived as a non-Christian
for 22 years of my life
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and this is really
a sad thing to say,
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but I found at times more
strength... more companionship,
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more loyalty in the world
than I have at times found
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among those who
profess to be Christians
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and that's a very sad commentary
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but the fact is, sometimes the
worst enemies of Christianity
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are Christians themselves
who profess the name of Christ
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but do not live up
to that character...
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backbiting...
stabbing in the back...
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you know, those kinds
of things and we're like,
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"How is this
happening in the house of God...
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are you serious?"
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: And I think too
when we talk about Joseph...
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when we talk about Elijah...
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when we talk about Christ...
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we're not talking about
people who gave up their faith,
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I think that's the
clarification we need to make.
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Yvonne: Right, right.
00:16:00.16\00:16:01.49
James: These guys... when
they sought refuge in Egypt,
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when they sought refuge
with the woman of Zarephath...
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when they sought refuge in part
of his house or wherever it was
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where Joseph found
refuge from his brothers,
00:16:11.73\00:16:13.77
their faith in God was strong.
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Yvonne: Right.
00:16:16.44\00:16:17.77
James: So, we're not talking
now when we talk about...
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sometimes the world is more
compassionate than the church...
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we're not talking
about giving up our faith,
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or
compromising... no, we're not...
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in fact, we're
talking about being stronger
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and so, yeah... so,
with Jeremiah for example,
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he was
imprisoned by his own people
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because he was
preaching a message
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that the Babylonians
were going to come...
00:16:37.23\00:16:38.56
you need to surrender
to them. Yvonne: Right.
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James: When the Babylonians
came, they set him free...
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that's what you're talking about
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and that's what
we're talking about here.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm... yeah.
00:16:45.17\00:16:46.50
James: All right, so let's
read now, Daniel chapter 6,
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let's read verses
4 down to verse 9.
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Jason, would you
like to read those for us?
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Jason: Sure... "So
the governors and satraps
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sought to find some
charge against Daniel
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concerning the kingdom;
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but they could
find no charge or fault,
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because he was faithful;
00:17:03.25\00:17:04.89
nor was there any
error or fault found in him.
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Then these men said,
00:17:08.82\00:17:10.39
'We shall not find any
charge against this Daniel
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unless we find it against him
concerning the law of his God. '
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So these governors and satraps
thronged before the king,
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and said thus to him:
'King Darius, live forever!
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All the
governors of the kingdom,
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the
administrators and the satraps,
00:17:25.74\00:17:27.61
the counselors and advisors,
have consulted together
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to establish a royal statute
and to make a firm decree,
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that whoever petitions any
god or man for thirty days,
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except you, O king,
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shall be cast
into the den of lions.
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Now, O king, establish the
decree and sign the writing,
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so that it cannot be changed,
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according to the law
of the Medes and Persians,
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which does not alter. '"
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James: Hmmm...
hmmm... and then verse 9.
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Ivor: "Therefore King Darius
signed the written decree. "
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James: All right now,
there are two factors here
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that I just wanted us
to bring out and look at
00:18:02.08\00:18:04.25
and one of them is...
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when you're in a
political environment,
00:18:05.65\00:18:08.48
there's a lot of mud-slinging
that goes along... goes on...
00:18:08.52\00:18:12.09
there's a lot of false
accusation that takes place,
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there's a lot of
lying and pretense
00:18:14.79\00:18:16.52
and in that context,
00:18:16.56\00:18:18.59
they're trying to
find some mud on Daniel
00:18:18.63\00:18:20.63
and they can't find anything.
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Yvonne: Right... Jason: Hmmm...
00:18:22.03\00:18:23.37
Yvonne: Also, that could be
said about all of us, right?
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Nothing else can be said.
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James: Yeah, and so,
they have to go after him
00:18:28.17\00:18:29.67
in relationship to the law
00:18:29.70\00:18:31.04
and when they come
to Darius, they lie...
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they say, "Oh
king, live forever... "
00:18:34.41\00:18:37.78
and then in verse 7 it says,
00:18:37.81\00:18:39.58
"All the
presidents of the kingdom...
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and the governors and
princes and counselors,
00:18:42.32\00:18:44.52
and the captains,
have consulted together
00:18:44.55\00:18:46.72
to establish a royal decree... "
00:18:46.76\00:18:48.09
Yvonne: Hmmm... James: Eeeenh...
00:18:48.12\00:18:49.46
Yvonne: Oh, I
hadn't even noticed that.
00:18:49.49\00:18:51.26
James: It wasn't
all the presidents...
00:18:51.29\00:18:52.93
it wasn't all the presidents...
00:18:52.96\00:18:54.30
where was Daniel?
00:18:54.33\00:18:55.66
He wasn't part of that...
00:18:55.70\00:18:57.03
he would have
lifted up a voice and said,
00:18:57.07\00:18:58.87
"Wait a minute... that's
not going to work for me,
00:18:58.90\00:19:01.24
I just want you
to know that... "
00:19:01.30\00:19:03.00
James: So, so politics is
based on deception and lies.
00:19:03.04\00:19:06.61
At least that's what
we're seeing here in the Bible,
00:19:06.64\00:19:09.84
now, I don't think we
need to make that statement
00:19:09.88\00:19:13.05
to our Viewers with
any kind of evidence,
00:19:13.08\00:19:16.55
I think most of our Viewers...
00:19:16.58\00:19:17.92
most of us know
that's just the way it is...
00:19:17.95\00:19:19.65
it just happens that way...
00:19:19.69\00:19:21.02
but we're looking at this
from a Biblical perspective
00:19:21.06\00:19:23.46
because we want to know...
00:19:23.49\00:19:24.89
"Is it possible for people
to be Christians and to be Godly
00:19:24.93\00:19:29.40
and still be
involved in politics?"
00:19:29.46\00:19:30.80
And the answer to
that is, "Yes it is...
00:19:30.87\00:19:33.47
but there's going to
be a big price to pay. "
00:19:33.50\00:19:35.00
Yvonne: Right.
00:19:35.07\00:19:36.40
James: "You've got this big
risk involved in doing that...
00:19:36.44\00:19:39.14
in being honest in politics...
there's a big risk... "
00:19:39.17\00:19:41.98
and Daniel is
willing to take that risk
00:19:42.01\00:19:44.15
and... and... and
then the second thing is,
00:19:44.18\00:19:46.28
there's a lot of
flattery in politics.
00:19:46.31\00:19:48.25
Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:19:48.28\00:19:49.62
James: And that's how people
get by in politics, they flatter
00:19:49.65\00:19:53.29
and we know that the
reason why Darius signed this
00:19:53.36\00:19:56.49
is because it was
flattering to him.
00:19:56.52\00:19:57.86
"Oh, no one can pray to anyone
00:19:57.89\00:20:00.13
or ask a petition of
anyone except you... "
00:20:00.16\00:20:01.66
and he's like, "Hmmm...
that sounds harmless enough... "
00:20:01.70\00:20:03.87
Yvonne: "I like that... "
00:20:03.90\00:20:05.47
James: "I like that...
00:20:05.50\00:20:07.00
oooh... you guys are really...
00:20:07.04\00:20:08.44
wow! you guys are
really my friends...
00:20:08.47\00:20:10.41
you really are
supportive of me...
00:20:10.44\00:20:12.31
I want to sign... let
me sign that right now... "
00:20:12.34\00:20:15.04
and he comes to find
out... now, think about this...
00:20:15.08\00:20:17.55
he comes to find
out that the very people
00:20:17.58\00:20:19.48
that were flattering him...
00:20:19.51\00:20:20.85
the very people who
were lifting him up...
00:20:20.88\00:20:22.28
the very people who were really
00:20:22.32\00:20:23.69
the people that
were trying to hurt him
00:20:23.75\00:20:26.55
more than anyone else.
00:20:26.59\00:20:27.92
I mean, that's
what he felt after he...
00:20:27.96\00:20:30.16
he was like, "I can't
believe they did that to me. "
00:20:30.19\00:20:32.53
Yvonne: Right.
00:20:32.56\00:20:33.90
James: "I can't believe
they... I trusted them...
00:20:33.93\00:20:35.26
look what they did
to me. " Yvonne: Right.
00:20:35.30\00:20:36.63
James: "The very guy that I
had the most confidence in...
00:20:36.67\00:20:39.87
this was all about trying to
take him out of my kingdom. "
00:20:39.90\00:20:43.34
Yvonne: Right...
right... James: And...
00:20:43.37\00:20:44.87
Yvonne: They made
a fool out of him.
00:20:44.91\00:20:46.31
James: Yeah, they
made a fool out of him...
00:20:46.34\00:20:47.91
Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:20:47.94\00:20:49.28
James: And so, that
was... that's the whole...
00:20:49.31\00:20:50.68
and I... this is now
true to life for us today,
00:20:50.71\00:20:53.28
it really is. Yvonne: It is.
00:20:53.31\00:20:55.05
James: When you look at
the political scene today...
00:20:55.08\00:20:56.72
and that's why it's so important
00:20:56.75\00:20:58.69
and I'm just going to say
this as carefully as I can
00:20:58.72\00:21:01.02
but as... as strongly as I can,
00:21:01.06\00:21:03.46
"It's so important for
us to recognize deception,
00:21:03.49\00:21:08.10
lying and flattery
for what it is... "
00:21:08.13\00:21:10.93
because we may not know
what's going on behind it
00:21:10.97\00:21:13.47
but as soon as
someone starts flattering you,
00:21:13.50\00:21:15.80
and you're
like, "Why are they...
00:21:15.84\00:21:17.71
there's nothing
special about me... "
00:21:17.77\00:21:19.34
you know what I mean?
00:21:19.37\00:21:20.71
and as soon as
they start saying things
00:21:20.74\00:21:22.08
that you know aren't quite true,
00:21:22.11\00:21:23.68
they're just not quite
true, something's going on
00:21:23.71\00:21:27.18
and it's time
for us to back up...
00:21:27.22\00:21:29.22
get into our prayer
chamber, that's what Daniel did,
00:21:29.28\00:21:30.82
he's like, "Okay, I'm getting
in my prayer chamber right now,
00:21:30.85\00:21:33.46
I'm focusing on God. "
00:21:33.49\00:21:34.89
Yvonne: Yeah, these...
Ivor: Go ahead, go ahead.
00:21:34.92\00:21:38.09
Yvonne: These folks were so
diabolical because they knew
00:21:38.13\00:21:40.96
that according to the law
of the Medes and Persians,
00:21:41.00\00:21:43.83
it cannot be undone,
00:21:43.87\00:21:45.23
so, the king could
not say, "You know what?
00:21:45.27\00:21:47.94
no... I changed my mind,
no, that can't happen... "
00:21:47.97\00:21:51.27
no... once his signature
was on there... that's it...
00:21:51.31\00:21:54.58
it cannot be altered...
00:21:54.61\00:21:56.51
and that was deep to me
too because they knew that.
00:21:56.54\00:21:59.58
James: They trapped the king.
Yvonne: They trapped the king.
00:21:59.61\00:22:01.78
Ivor: So, I'm
jumping ahead of the debate
00:22:01.82\00:22:05.35
because I'm going to...
when we get to Daniel chapter 7,
00:22:05.39\00:22:07.86
we're going to see
that there are four beasts
00:22:07.89\00:22:10.06
that are mentioned, a
Lion... a Bear... Leopard
00:22:10.09\00:22:12.23
and then the fourth
non-descript beast...
00:22:12.26\00:22:13.73
we're going to see
that these beasts...
00:22:13.76\00:22:15.10
we already know who they are
00:22:15.13\00:22:16.46
and you'll remember in our
previous studies in Revelation,
00:22:16.50\00:22:21.50
that that beast of Revelation 13
00:22:21.54\00:22:24.37
is a combination of
all four beasts in Daniel 7
00:22:24.44\00:22:28.48
so, why is that significant?
00:22:28.51\00:22:30.65
Well, remember what happened
00:22:30.68\00:22:32.71
in the first four
chapters of Daniel,
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right? We have Babylon in power,
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five chapters in Daniel,
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you have Babylon in power
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and the major issue
in chapters 1 through 5
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is, the major worship issues
deal with this image, right?
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Them bowing down
before an image...
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that's
specifically Daniel chapter 2,
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Daniel chapter 3...
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bow down or die...
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then the other threat for death
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of death chapter is
this chapter... chapter 6
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and that's in the
Medo-Persian Empire,
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and what's happening
in the Medo-Persian Empire
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is this issue of laws
that cannot be changed...
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laws that are enforced...
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Ivor: So in Daniel 2 and 3,
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you have something
that deals specifically
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with the second commandment...
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"Do not bow down
before graven images... "
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and then in Daniel 6, you have
an issue dealing with worship...
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with time of worship...
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right, they're looking
at Daniel's times of worship
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and they're like, "Hmmm...
this is when he worships,
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all right, we're
going to set up a law
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that cannot be changed...
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cannot be altered... "
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now, remember,
Daniel 7:25, "God's law... "
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what does it
say about God's law?
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"He will think to
change times and laws... "
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and after he thinks
to change times and laws,
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he will make it so that
those changed times and laws
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cannot be changed.
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James: Hmmm... Yvonne: Whoa...
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Ivor: So, this is
what I say, "I am God... "
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and you know how
God's laws are, right?
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God's laws don't change.
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Yvonne: That's right.
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Ivor: And so,
standing in the place of God,
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claiming this
law and then saying,
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"Bow down because this
law cannot be changed... "
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so, again you see
this thing coming into play
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where, "Oh, that's why
this beast of Revelation 13
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is a combination... "
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because it's
taking different elements
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from the different kingdoms
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and what element is it
taking from Medo-Persia?
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this fact that
when a law is passed...
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that's it... it
can't be changed...
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James: Infallibility.
Ivor: Infallibility...
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James: That's what we
call it, "Infallibility. "
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I said it, it's not
going to change... infallible.
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Yvonne: Wow...
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James: That's it...
it's an important principle,
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okay so, let's go to
the next section here,
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unless anyone has
any other thoughts there
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and let's read verses 10
all the way through to verse 13
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or, wait a minute...
12... 10 through 12...
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no, 10... 11... just 10... 11...
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Jason: Okay,
"Now when Daniel knew
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that the writing was
signed, he went home.
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And in his upper room,
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with his windows
open toward Jerusalem,
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he knelt down on his
knees three times that day,
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and prayed and gave
thanks before his God,
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as it was his custom
since the early days.
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Then these men assembled
and found Daniel praying
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and making
supplication before his God. "
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James: Yeah, these guys
were spying on Daniel...
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they were looking for the
goods and they found him...
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they found this guy praying.
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Jason: Yeah. Yvonne: Yeah.
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James: Whoa... "If they
only want people spying on me...
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that's what they found...
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like, they're
looking for bad stuff. "
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Jason: The part
that I love though is...
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he had the window open...
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he's like, "You're not stopping
me from praying to my God. "
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He had the window open, like,
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"Yeah, I know that the
decree is out... so what?"
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Ivor: And this is why
he had the window open
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because it takes us
right back to Daniel 1...
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"he purposed in his heart... "
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you start right there,
"he purposed in his heart... "
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to do what? "Daniel
1, Daniel 2, Daniel 3...
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all that stems from,
"He purposed in his heart. "
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James: Okay, based on a
little bit of our conversation
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last night, I'm going to
have a little phrase here,
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"Daniel knew how to
push the buttons... "
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Yvonne: Yes. laughter...
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James: He knew what
buttons needed to be pushed
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and this was the time the
buttons needed to be pushed.
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Yvonne: Yes.
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James: "No, I'm not
closing these windows...
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I'm not denying my God. "
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You look at
all... people praying...
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no... no... Daniel says,
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"No, I'm opening
the windows right here
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and I'm going to be... "
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and in fact, here's
what's really interesting...
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it says, "He prayed
and he gave thanks. "
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Jason: Hmmm... Yvonne: Yes.
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James: What was
he thanking God for?
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He was already thanking
God ahead of time, I think,
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for deliverance...
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it's like, "Thank you
Lord for this opportunity... "
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in fact, I would
say he was saying,
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"Thank You Lord for the
strength to be bold for You...
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to be courageous for You...
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to be a witness for You...
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thank You for
giving me that strength...
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thank You for giving me the
strength to open the windows
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and thank You for
whatever is going to happen
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in the next few
hours... in the next few days...
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thank You... thank
You... thank You...
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I know You're in this... I
know You're going to bless. "
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Yvonne: Yes.
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James: And that's where
we need to be, you know,
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we get worried... and
the laws come against us...
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the persecution
comes against us...
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the threats come against us...
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people start saying
belligerent things about us
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and we worried
and we get anxious
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and I think that there's...
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there's a little bit
of selfishness in that...
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when self is completely dead
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and when it's
completely surrendered to God,
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it's all about Him.
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If we're... if
we're doing His work
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and we're being
criticized and opposed for that,
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that is God's
concern, not our concern.
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Our concern is that we
stay connected with Him
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when we keep doing His
work and we leave it with Him.
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Yvonne: Right...
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James: And so, if there's that
little bit of selfishness...
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the self-concern in
there... that's got to go
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and God has the way of
weeding that out, you know.
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Yvonne: Yes.
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James: We got a little... "Okay,
what does God want me to do?
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I can't change them
but I can change me...
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I can change the
way I respond to this
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and the way I
interact with this... "
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I'm preaching to
myself right now,
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hope you understand that, Ivor.
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Ivor: Oh, it's okay...
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and I'm not going to do
another program with you
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if you don't stop talking
to me... I'm just kidding...
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All: Laughter.
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James: It's all good,
isn't it? It's all good.
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This is preparation...
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this little stuff is
preparation for the big stuff.
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Yvonne: Yes.
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James: And I thankful God's
got a guy that's gone before us
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and in this case,
his name is Daniel...
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I'm thankful for that
because we need that...
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we need that courage that He's
given us right here, don't we?
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Yvonne: We do... Ivor:
Absolutely. Yvonne: Amen.
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