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James: All right,
we're in Daniel chapter 4
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and we have... I'm going
to say two sections left,
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verses 28 to 33 and
verses 34 through 37...
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two more sections of...
let's remember this now,
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Nebuchadnezzar's testimony.
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James: Testimony... and the most
powerful part of his testimony
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are the last few
verses... so powerful...
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I can't wait to get there...
there's just a lot in there.
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Yvonne: Yeah.
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James: So we'll
jump right in here,
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let's start with
a word of prayer,
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who'd like to pray for us?
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Yvonne: I'll pray.
James: Thanks Yvonne.
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Yvonne: "Father God,
thank You so very much
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for this day...
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thank You for bringing us here
once again to study Your Word,
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we pray for Your Spirit
who guides us into all truth,
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we pray Lord
that... for Your presence
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and Your power and anointing
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and thank you so much
again, in Jesus' name, amen. "
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All: Amen.
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James: All right, let's
start Jason, in verse 28...
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let's just read
right through verse 33.
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Jason: Okay, "All this
came upon King Nebuchadnezzar.
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At the end of the twelve months
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he was walking about
the royal palace of Babylon.
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The king spoke saying,
'Is not this great Babylon,
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that I have built for a royal
dwelling by my mighty power
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and for the
honor of my majesty?'
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While the word was
still in the king's mouth,
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a voice fell from heaven:
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'King Nebuchadnezzar,
to you it is spoken:
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the kingdom has
departed from you!
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And they shall
drive you from men,
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and your dwelling shall be
with the beasts of the field.
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They shall make you
eat grass like oxen;
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and seven times
shall pass over you,
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until you know
that the Most High rules
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in the kingdom of men,
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and gives it to
whomever He chooses. '
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That very hour
the word was fulfilled
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concerning Nebuchadnezzar;
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he was driven from men
and ate grass like oxen;
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his body was wet
with the dew of heaven
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till his hair had
grown like eagles' feathers
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and his nails
like birds' claws. "
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James: That is the
longest time-out...
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Yvonne: Oooooh...
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All: Laughter.
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James: Seven years.
Yvonne: That's true.
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Jason: Man...
Yvonne: Longest time-out...
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James: You know,
raising children...
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it's really interesting
that what works for one
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doesn't work for another
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and for one of our kids
time-out was just like torture.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: You know,
just the communication...
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social... the...
that whole thing...
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just to be
told... "Mmmm... mmmm... "
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it took like three or
four times to... to sink in...
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you know, so it would go...
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"Okay, you're out on
time-out... one minute...
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two minutes... three
minutes... four minutes... "
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and then
finally... breathing deeply...
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it was hard.
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Yvonne: Yeah.
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James: And I say... this was
the longest time-out in history
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in the Bible...
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there's another
time-out in the New Testament.
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It's a nine-month time-out...
do you remember who that was?
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Yeah... Zacharias... remember?
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Yvonne: Oh, yeah,
he couldn't speak...
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right... right... right.
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James: He was on a
nine-month timeout,
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so, you have the
nine-month timeout...
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you have the seven-year timeout.
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God... you know,
in Hebrews 12 it says,
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"God chastens or
disciplines us... "
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and don't despise that
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because if you are
being chastened of God...
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disciplined by God...
you're a child of God.
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Yvonne: Right... right.
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James: Nebuchadnezzar
is a child of God.
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See, that's what we need
to get out of this so far,
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Nebuchadnezzar is a child
of God... God cares about him
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and that's one of the things
that we find missing, I think,
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in society today.
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You know, we talk about love...
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I read a book not long ago
called: The Five Love Languages
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and when I went to
find them in the Bible,
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I found seven love languages
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and the sixth love
language in Hebrews
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because Hebrews
is a relational book
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and by the way, we
should talk about Hebrews,
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like, sometimes, we
should just kind of throw
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Hebrews on the table.
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Yvonne: Yeah.
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James: But Hebrews
is a relational book,
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so, it has these
love languages...
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but the one that's
missing in the book
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and the one that I found
in Hebrews is... chastening.
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"As many as I love, I
rebuke and chasten... "
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: And we just
don't see it in Society today,
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and then the other
love language in Hebrews
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that's really
powerful is commitment...
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"I will never leave
you nor forsake you. "
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Commitment... God chastens
us and God is committed to us.
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Those two love
languages are speaking loudly
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to Nebuchadnezzar right here...
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God's chastening him...
but God's committed to him.
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Yvonne: Yes. James: Yeah.
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Jason: It seems like,
you probably don't see
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that "chastening" as
love language in society today
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because if you disagree...
then, you're deemed as a "hater"
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or that you hate that individual
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because you disagree
with what they're doing...
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or the way that they're living.
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James: Yeah, where
you say that that's wrong
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and that's not going to
create a better tomorrow
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or whenever...
it's true. Jason: Yeah.
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James: We have a hard time,
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everyone wants a
place in the table...
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we want to have a pluralistic
society where nothing's wrong
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it's just... "that's
the way you see it...
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this is the way I see it. "
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There's no real
guide or rule for life
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which we call the Bible, yeah.
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Yvonne: That's right.
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Ivor: I think there is
something very interesting here
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in the fact that...
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James: What you got
Ivor... what you got?
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Yvonne: Laughter. All: Laughter.
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Ivor: Nebuchadnezzar is...
he's made to become like a beast
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and that's... that's
really, really significant.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... James: Hmmm...
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Ivor: So, if we go
back to Genesis 1:26...
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maybe someone can
turn... Genesis 1:26
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and Yvonne, if you
could read that for us,
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that would be great.
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Yvonne: Genesis 1:26,
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"Then God said, 'Let
us make man in Our image,
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according to Our likeness;
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let them have dominion
over the fish of the sea,
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over the birds of the
air, and over the cattle,
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over all the earth and
over every creeping thing
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that creeps on the earth. '"
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Ivor: So, when God made
man, He made man in His image...
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in His likeness...
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and you'll notice here that
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God actually created
two kingdoms on earth.
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He created the kingdom of men...
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and then, He
created the animal kingdom
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and when God made man,
He made man in His image
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and in His
image... what did man have?
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Dominion over the
beasts from the sea...
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the beasts from the earth...
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and the beasts from the air.
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That's what man
had dominion over.
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James: "And everything that
creeps... " even the insects.
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Ivor: Right. James:
Even the cockroaches.
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Ivor: So man had
dominion over these things.
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Now, when man sinned...
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and remember how
man sinned, right?
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It was a
serpent... a creature...
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that comes to Eve and says,
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"Hey, you don't have
to follow God's will...
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you don't have
to do God's way...
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you don't have to be like God...
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I mean, you can be like
God in different ways... "
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James: Right. Yvonne: Right.
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Ivor: And so, when man sinned,
they lost the image of God
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and they began to be...
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to reflect the
image of the beasts.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... All: Hmmm...
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Ivor: They began to
reflect an animal nature.
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Yvonne: Ooooh...
come on... ah ha...
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Ivor: And so, when you look
at Cain killing his brother...
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that's animalistic.
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James: Hmmm... Yvonne: Right.
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Ivor: When you look at
what happens in the flood,
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that's animalistic... that's...
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you know, the reason
the flood came was because
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the thoughts of men's hearts
were only evil continually
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so, ever since sin, we have had
two natures fighting within us.
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James: Hmmm...
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Ivor: That which is to
reflect the image of God
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and then the animal nature.
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Jason: Wow! Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: That we're
supposed to have dominion over.
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Ivor: That we were
supposed to have dominion over.
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Yvonne: Oooooh...
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Ivor: So, when you now
see that because of man's sin,
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he no longer has dominion
over the beast from the sea.
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James: Hmmm... Yvonne: Ooooooh!
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Ivor: The beasts from the air...
the beasts from the earth...
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he has lost
dominion over those things
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so, it's interesting that when
we get to the book of Daniel,
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how is... what is God using
to describe the kingdoms of men?
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James: Beasts from the sea.
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Ivor: He's using beasts... a
lion... a bear... a leopard...
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he's seeing...
"Look, the kingdoms of men
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have become... they
have become animalistic.
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James: Wow...
wow... that's right.
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Ivor: The nature of
man has totally flipped...
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you're not longer
in the image of God,
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so, when you see Nebuchadnezzar
turning into a beast,
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he's literally saying,
"You... is this what you want?
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Is this what you want?"
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And the thing is that,
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the gospel is God coming to
restore us to the proper order
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which is man having
dominion over the beast
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because everyone of us
has a beastly nature within us
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and if you're not in Christ...
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"If any man be in
Christ, he is a new creature:
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old things are passed away... "
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Yvonne: "all
things are made new. "
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Ivor: "Old
things are passed away;
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all things are become new... "
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then, you now, in
the order of Christ...
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you now have
dominion over the beast.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: And that just
sets us up perfectly
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because at the end of time,
what do you... what do you have?
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You have three powers...
a beast from the sea...
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a beast from the earth...
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and the prince of
the power of the air
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which is the dragon
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and they are
trying to get dominion
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over God's end-time people
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and God is saying,
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"Listen, if you learn
what it means to be in Me,
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you will have
dominion over these beasts...
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you don't have to
be afraid of them...
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you don't have to fear... "
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and so, there's a
very practical lesson here,
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Nebuchadnezzar is...
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"You're acting like a
beast, Nebuchadnezzar...
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stop being a beast...
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I'm trying to make
you into my image... "
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and so, this is what
happens to Nebuchadnezzar...
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he's not just...
God didn't just say,
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"I'll make you a beast... "
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like, there's a
lesson behind this.
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James: Yeah...
yeah. Yvonne: Yeah.
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James: God says, "If
you want to be a beast,
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this is what it's
going to be like...
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you're going to
lose your reason...
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you're going to
lose your support...
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everyone is going
to flee from you...
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you're going to
be eating grass...
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you're not going to
take care of yourself...
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this is what it's going to
be... you want to be a beast?"
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Ivor: And you
look at these beasts...
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you look at the
lion... ferocity...
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you look at the
bear... devouring flesh...
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you look at the
leopard... camouflage...
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the dragon...
breaks in pieces...
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if those
characteristics are in us,
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we're part of the beast.
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James: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: We're part
of those systems...
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the lamb-like
beast speaks likes a...
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horns and lamb...
speak as a dragon...
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it looks like a
lamb... hhh... hhh...
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but inside... dragon, right?
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All: Laughter.
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Ivor: How many of us walk around
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in the image of the beast?
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Do you see what I'm
saying? Yvonne: Yes.
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Ivor: We talk about...
"Oh, I don't want to get the...
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I don't want to...
worship the image of the beast"
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but if you are acting in
the image of the beast...
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if you are walking
around with the mark...
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hhhh...
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I mean, you know, the
Mark of the Beast is something
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we did another study...
but what I'm saying is...
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we know that the
"Mark" is something
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that happens at the end of time
but there's a preparation for it
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and if you're walking around
with the sign of the beast,
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you are preparing yourselves to
receive the Mark of the Beast.
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James: The
characteristics of the beast...
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Ivor: The
characteristics of the beast...
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Yvonne: Oooooh...
that is heavy. Ivor: Yeah.
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James: And one of
the main characteristics
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that is identified right
here in this text is pride.
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Yvonne: Oh, yes...
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James: Self-exaltation and pride
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and it's all through
the book of Revelation...
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the whole focus of
the book of Revelation...
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the whole foundation of
what we're studying in Daniel
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and we'll really
get into this later,
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is this idea of
trusting in Christ...
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and trusting in
His righteousness...
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trusting in His forgiveness...
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His
redemption... His perfect life
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which completely
annihilates all pride...
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because there's no way...
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that's why so many
people don't accept Christ
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because they don't need
Christ... Christ is a crutch...
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: And I try to tell people,
"Christ isn't a crutch... "
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He's not a crutch...
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Christ is a
complete life-support system.
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Yvonne: Ooooh...
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James: What am I
going to do with a crutch?
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I can't breathe... I can't walk,
I... what am I going to do?
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A crutch isn't
going to help me here...
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Yvonne: Right.
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James: No... Christ
is total life-support...
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Christ is total life-support
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and we need to have life-support
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and Nebuchadnezzar
needs to have life support
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but he's too
proud to realize that.
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Yvonne: Yeah.
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James: And so, God is
saying, "Hey, you know,
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you're going to go
through an experience right now
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but I'm going to be with you...
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the band is still
going to be there...
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you're going to
have the experience
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that's going to
help you to realize...
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you completely,
totally need life-support. "
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Jason: Hmmm...
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Yvonne: When he was
talking to Daniel before,
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he acknowledged who
the Most High God was
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but he's walking around...
he's looking at Babylon
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and I read somewhere
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that Babylon was one of
the most beautiful places
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in the world...
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it had hanging
gardens and all this beauty
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and he's looking
around and he's saying,
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"Wait a minute... it
is... I built this...
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this is my kingdom... "
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and he's starting
to, like, feel himself...
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and right then...
while the words...
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I like that... while the
words were still in his mouth,
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God said, "Ah ah... "
Ivor: That's the emphasis.
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Yvonne: I know... I know it...
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Ivor: Not while he finished...
when he finished it...
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it's, "While the
words were in his mouth. "
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Yvonne: "In his
mouth... " the way...
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the way the Bible expresses
things... it's just so rich
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because again, it
paints that picture...
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you know, we can just
see... we could see him.
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Ivor: It's powerful...
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the thing, James,
you were just saying
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about depending
on Christ, you know,
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I want you to
think about this now,
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but another verse
I'm going to share
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but think about what he
sees in this vision, right,
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he sees a tree that
it's branches lodge out
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and this... this tree
is supposed to represent,
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"Hey, this is me...
this is my kingdom...
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everyone comes to my kingdom
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and my kingdom is the kingdom
that's going to last forever.
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My... this tree represents
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the kingdom that's
going to last forever... "
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and God was like, "No...
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that's not the tree
that's going to last forever,
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there's another tree...
there's another tree... "
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and check this out
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because you remember when
Jesus is giving this parable
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about the kingdom of heaven
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and it's almost as if he's
quoting the exact description
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of the dream that
Nebuchadnezzar had.
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All: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Matthew
11... you have it...
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Matthew chapter
13 verses 31 and 32
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and look at what it says here.
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James: Matthew... what? 13...
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Ivor: Verses 31 and 32.
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Jason: Okay.
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Ivor: You want
to read that Jason?
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Jason: Yes...
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"Another parable He
put forth to them, saying:
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'The kingdom of heaven
is like a mustard seed,
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which a man took
and sowed in his field,
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which indeed is the
least of all the seeds;
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but when it is grown, it
is greater than the herbs
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and becomes a tree,
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so that the birds of the air
come and nest in its branches. "
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Yvonne: Oooooh! oh ho ho ho...
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Ivor: Wait a
minute... are you quoting?
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Are you quoting
Daniel chapter 4?
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It's as though God was
saying, "Look, your kingdom...
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that tree that
represents your kingdom,
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that's not the
kingdom that lasts forever...
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there's another kingdom coming
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which will be
symbolized by another tree
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and that tree is
the tree of Calvary.
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It is through Christ's death,
burial and resurrection...
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through His
death on the cross...
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that's the kingdom...
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when He came to
establish a kingdom,
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that mustard seed goes
into the ground and it dies...
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that's the tree... so...
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God is trying to
show Nebuchadnezzar...
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"This is the kingdom
that's going to last forever. "
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Right? so that tree
parallels the death of Christ
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and now watch this...
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Daniel 1...
Christ's first temptation...
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Daniel 2...
Christ's second temptation...
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Daniel 3...
Christ's third temptation...
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bow down... right?
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Daniel 1, 2, 3... the
beginning of His ministry...
00:15:25.35\00:15:26.99
James: Daniel 1... appetite...
Ivor: Daniel 1... appetite...
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Daniel 2... stone
against the foot...
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Daniel 3... bow
down and worship...
00:15:32.29\00:15:35.80
that's the beginning
of Christ's ministry...
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Daniel 4... the cross...
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the cross... so...
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James: The tree...
00:15:42.57\00:15:44.37
Ivor: The tree...
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so, here you have the beginning
of His ministry... 1, 2, 3...
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and chapter 4... the
end of his ministry...
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of His earthly
ministry as a man.
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Yvonne: Right.
00:15:53.25\00:15:54.58
Ivor: And there's more to
come but Daniel is showing us...
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the book of
Daniel not only shows us
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in a very practical sense,
00:15:59.35\00:16:00.69
"Hey, what's going to happen to
God's people at the end of time"
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but it's actually...
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Daniel is, in a sense,
living out the life of Christ
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through these
stories in Daniel 1 through 4
00:16:08.13\00:16:11.73
and that's where I'm going.
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Yvonne: Wow.
00:16:13.84\00:16:15.27
James: Yeah...
Christ is all through it.
00:16:15.30\00:16:16.71
Ivor: Christ is all through
it. James: It's beautiful.
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Yvonne: Wow!
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James: Okay, now, we've
got one last section left
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and that's
beginning with verse 34,
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Yvonne, you want to read
those for us? Verses 34 to 37...
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Yvonne: Sure... "And
at the end of the time,
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I, Nebuchadnezzar,
lifted my eyes to heaven,
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and my
understanding returned to me;
00:16:33.79\00:16:36.36
and I blessed the Most High
00:16:36.39\00:16:38.09
and praised and
honored Him who lives forever:
00:16:38.13\00:16:41.40
for His dominion is
an everlasting dominion,
00:16:41.43\00:16:44.63
and His kingdom is from
generation to generation.
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All the inhabitants of the
earth are reputed as nothing;
00:16:47.80\00:16:51.67
he does according to His
will in the army of heaven
00:16:51.71\00:16:55.11
and among the
inhabitants of the earth.
00:16:55.14\00:16:58.08
No one can restrain
His hand or say to Him,
00:16:58.11\00:17:01.02
"What have you done?"
00:17:01.05\00:17:02.68
keep going? James: Yeah.
00:17:02.72\00:17:04.29
Yvonne: "At the same
time my reason returned to me,
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and for the glory of my kingdom,
00:17:07.19\00:17:09.06
my honor and
splendor returned to me.
00:17:09.09\00:17:11.63
My counselors and
nobles resorted to me,
00:17:11.66\00:17:14.16
I was restored to my kingdom,
00:17:14.20\00:17:16.70
and excellent
majesty was added to me.
00:17:16.73\00:17:19.13
Now, I, Nebuchadnezzar,
00:17:19.17\00:17:21.10
praise and extol and
honor the King of heaven,
00:17:21.17\00:17:25.34
all of whose works are
truth, and His ways justice.
00:17:25.37\00:17:29.51
And those who walk in
pride He is able to put down. "
00:17:29.54\00:17:33.05
Ivor: Hmmm...
00:17:33.08\00:17:34.62
James: This
verse... marginal reference
00:17:34.65\00:17:36.82
contains every letter in
the alphabet except for "Q"
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that last verse...
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it covers it all...
just covers it all...
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that's what it does...
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"I, Nebuchadnezzar,
praise and extol and honor
00:17:45.49\00:17:47.10
the King of heaven,
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whose works are truth,
and His ways are judgment.
00:17:48.50\00:17:49.83
And those who walk in
pride he's able to abase. "
00:17:49.86\00:17:51.73
Now, this is a converted man.
00:17:51.80\00:17:54.60
Yvonne: Right.
00:17:54.64\00:17:56.20
James: A person that
comes through a severe trial...
00:17:56.24\00:17:58.57
seven years... crazy...
00:17:58.61\00:18:00.88
his hair has grown
like eagle's feathers...
00:18:00.91\00:18:03.55
his nails like eagle's claws...
and he's eating grass...
00:18:03.58\00:18:06.18
he was the first
hippie... some people say.
00:18:06.21\00:18:07.92
All: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:18:07.95\00:18:09.28
James: And he comes to
the end of that trial...
00:18:09.32\00:18:12.32
Yvonne: Howard
Hughes... Howard Hughes...
00:18:12.35\00:18:14.19
James: He comes to
the end of that trial...
00:18:14.22\00:18:15.56
that
grass-eating, long-haired trial
00:18:15.66\00:18:18.26
and he praises God...
that's the first thing he does.
00:18:18.29\00:18:21.00
As soon as he comes out of it,
00:18:21.06\00:18:22.40
he lifts up his
hands and he praises God.
00:18:22.43\00:18:23.87
Ivor: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:18:23.90\00:18:25.23
James: I mean, most
of us... not most of us
00:18:25.27\00:18:26.97
but a lot of times, we go
through trials and we're like,
00:18:27.00\00:18:29.07
"Is God real?"
00:18:29.10\00:18:30.57
"Where is God?"
00:18:30.61\00:18:32.01
"Is God really in my life?"
00:18:32.04\00:18:34.04
"How come I'm going
through this if God is around?"
00:18:34.08\00:18:36.21
Not Nebuchadnezzar...
00:18:36.24\00:18:37.58
Nebuchadnezzar gets
converted through this
00:18:37.61\00:18:40.12
and we know he's
converted... why?
00:18:40.15\00:18:41.78
Because when he comes out
of it, he's praising God...
00:18:41.82\00:18:43.39
the first thing he's
doing is praising God.
00:18:43.45\00:18:45.29
Yvonne: Right.
00:18:45.32\00:18:46.65
Jason: I think, sometimes,
like, it's interesting
00:18:46.69\00:18:48.62
as we look at
Nebuchadnezzar's life and...
00:18:48.66\00:18:50.49
and Daniel and all that stuff,
00:18:50.53\00:18:51.86
Nebuchadnezzar went through a
lot of self-inflicted trials...
00:18:51.89\00:18:54.96
he brought about things on
his own by not honoring God
00:18:55.00\00:18:59.43
and then, thinking that,
00:18:59.47\00:19:01.17
"Okay, now I can take
everything on myself... "
00:19:01.20\00:19:03.77
like resorting back to self...
00:19:03.81\00:19:05.34
only to find out that he was
about to have the most humbling,
00:19:05.37\00:19:09.61
rock-bottom experience
that anybody could go through,
00:19:09.64\00:19:14.55
why do we want to hit rock
bottom before we seek the Lord
00:19:14.58\00:19:20.42
as opposed to avoiding
all that pain and heartache
00:19:20.46\00:19:24.29
not that we won't...
00:19:24.33\00:19:25.66
it rains on the
just and on the unjust
00:19:25.69\00:19:27.56
but if there are
things that we can avoid,
00:19:27.86\00:19:31.23
why not avoid all
the unnecessary trials?
00:19:31.27\00:19:34.60
James: One reason... pride.
00:19:34.64\00:19:37.21
Jason: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:19:37.24\00:19:38.57
James: Think about
that in our own lives...
00:19:38.61\00:19:41.21
how pride keeps us
from making that apology...
00:19:41.24\00:19:43.48
how pride keeps us
from humbling ourselves,
00:19:43.51\00:19:45.68
how pride keeps us from
thereby negotiating and avoiding
00:19:45.71\00:19:51.65
a lot of terrible stuff
00:19:51.69\00:19:53.02
because we were
willing to reconcile...
00:19:53.05\00:19:55.06
we were willing to work
through stuff with people...
00:19:55.09\00:19:56.46
but pride forbids us.
00:19:56.49\00:19:57.83
James: It's...
it's... it's true.
00:19:57.86\00:20:00.60
Yvonne: But look
how merciful God is...
00:20:00.63\00:20:03.10
He could have let him
just wander off forever.
00:20:03.16\00:20:06.87
Jason: Yeah. James: Yeah.
00:20:06.90\00:20:08.24
Yvonne: He could have
remained like a crazy man
00:20:08.27\00:20:10.24
but instead...
that root... that...
00:20:10.27\00:20:12.91
that... that binding of the iron
00:20:12.94\00:20:15.54
around that stump
00:20:15.58\00:20:17.68
and the root
being secured there...
00:20:17.71\00:20:20.48
that's like... "All right,
you're going to go off for a bit
00:20:20.52\00:20:24.45
but you're not
going to be destroyed. "
00:20:24.49\00:20:27.36
It's amazing!
00:20:27.42\00:20:29.82
Ivor: Yeah, I'm going to
share something here because,
00:20:29.86\00:20:31.79
James, as you and
I have been talking,
00:20:31.83\00:20:34.40
we've been going on this thread
and I don't know if you see it
00:20:34.43\00:20:39.13
but I'm going to share this
00:20:39.17\00:20:40.50
and to me, it's
just like, mind-blowing
00:20:40.54\00:20:42.84
because I've
been talking about...
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we've been talking...
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we've been kind of focusing
on the person of Nebuchadnezzar,
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right, and how God loves him...
God loves him... God loves him,
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and then, I've been bringing
in this aspect of prophecy
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and the kingdom of Babylon
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and how it just seems like
there's two different outcomes,
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one for the
person Nebuchadnezzar
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and then one for the
kingdom Babylon, right?
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and in the pictures I'm showing
that deal with end-time events,
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there is no hope...
there is no mercy...
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there's no nothing
for Babylon, right?
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It's like...
Babylon sets up an image...
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Babylon goes against the king
of the north and does this...
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Babylon... and
there's something in Daniel 11
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that I want to
actually connect with this
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and then, we
bring this point back
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and then we see
just how powerful this is
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because in this story, God is
like saying to Nebuchadnezzar,
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"Hey, I'm calling you out
of your craziness... " right?
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"I'm calling you
out of this" but...
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but I want you to
notice this because remember
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where is Nebuchadnezzar
when this begins...
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when this happens,
where was he walking?
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James: In the
kingdom of his palace...
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Ivor: He was
walking in his palace,
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so, he was
glorifying in his palace,
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right? and the
moment that he is...
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that this event
occurs in his palace,
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that's when it's like,
"All right, that's it... done"
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so, just for a
re-cap... remember Daniel 1...
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the king of the north...
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or king of the south
attacks the king of the north.
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Yvonne: Right.
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Ivor: The king of
the north responds
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by coming back against
the king of the south...
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defeats him... then turns his
attention to the holy land...
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Jerusalem...
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he seeks to enforce
the wine of Babylon,
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he... oh... and then...
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he gets tidings,
right, regarding the north
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and the east
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those tidings trouble him
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and so, in fury, he
tries to destroy many.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: In doing this, his
sins have reached unto heaven...
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he sets... he
glorifies in his palace
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and as a result of this,
something is about to happen.
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Ivor: Now, I want you
to go to Daniel chapter 11,
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this is the first time, like,
we're going to look at Daniel 11
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just for a moment and
I just want you to read
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Daniel 11 verses 40 to 45...
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Daniel 11 verses 40 to 45.
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Jason: "At the time of the end
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the king of the
South shall attack him;
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and the king of the
North shall come against him
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like a whirlwind,
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with chariots,
horsemen, and with many ships;
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and he shall
enter the countries,
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overwhelm them,
and pass through.
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He shall also
enter the Glorious Land,
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and many countries
shall be overthrown;
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but these shall
escape from his hand:
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Edom, Moab, and the
prominent people of Ammon.
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He shall stretch out his
hand against the countries,
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and the land of
Egypt shall not escape.
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He shall have power over the
treasures of gold and silver,
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and over all the
precious things of Egypt;
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also the Libyans and Ethiopians
shall follow at his heels.
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But news from the east and
the north shall trouble him;
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therefore he shall
go out with great fury
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to destroy an annihilate many.
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And he shall plant the tents
of his palace between the seas
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and the glorious holy mountain;
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yet he shall come to his
end, and no one will help him. "
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Ivor: Okay, so look at this,
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we have this parallel between
the events of Daniel 11:40 to 45
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and everything we
have read from Daniel 1
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all the way up to Daniel 4.
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There is king of the south
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pushing against
the king of the north
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the north retaliates...
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he flows into the countries
and overpowers everyone...
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he has treasure... he
has power over gold...
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that image that
was made of all gold...
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tidings out of the north
and the east trouble him,
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therefore in great fury,
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he's going to
destroy as many as he can
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and the last thing he does
is, he sets up these palaces.
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Where was
Nebuchadnezzar walking?
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He was in the
midst of his palace,
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he sets up these palaces
and then, the pronouncement is,
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"He shall come to his end
and none shall help him. "
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What is this telling us?
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God loves people in
Babylon but He hates the System.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: And it's the System
here that he's speaking against,
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you understand, like,
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that parallel of,
"Well, God hates Babylon... "
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does that mean He
hates Nebuchadnezzar?
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James: No.
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Ivor: No... even though
Nebuchadnezzar is personifying
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the enemy of God...
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God still says, "But I
love Nebuchadnezzar though...
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I love what he stands for...
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I love who he's personifying...
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but I love him... "
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and that's the same message...
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"Come out of her my
people... my people... "
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James: And that's a really good
explanation for these verses
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in Daniel chapter 4,
verses 34 and 35 and 36,
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he... in verse 35... he says,
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"And all the inhabitants of the
earth are reputed as nothing:
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and He does according to His
will in the army of heaven. "
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What is God's will?
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God is not willing
that any would perish
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but that all would
come to repentance...
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"He does according to His
will in the army of heaven,
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and among the
inhabitants of the earth:
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and none can stay His
hand, and say unto Him,
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'What are You
doing... What are You doing?'"
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"I'm doing everything
I can to save people...
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whatever it takes...
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even if I have to make
people crazy for seven years,
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whatever it takes to
humble their pride...
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because I want them in
heaven... that's what I'm doing.
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You can ask me
what I'm doing... "
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you know, Nebuchadnezzar is...
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this is hyperbole in a sense...
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Nebuchadnezzar says, "You
can't ask God what He's doing. "
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You can ask Him
what He's doing...
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but you can't ask
Him what He's doing
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as if you don't know
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or as if there's going to
be some kind of strange answer,
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"What are You doing?"
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Because sometimes we
don't know what He's doing
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but we do know
what His purpose is.
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His purpose is that He's not
willing that any would perish
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but that all would
come to repentance.
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So, His purpose is, He's
doing whatever it takes...
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"God save me and make it easy...
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but if you can't make it
easy, save me anyway... "
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whatever it takes...
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and that's the picture
Nebuchadnezzar has of God now
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and this is the picture that
we're going to take to the world
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in the context of
these prophecies...
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we've got to take
this picture to the world
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that God is doing
whatever it takes and...
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and He wants to recover us
and I love this next verse,
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"And at the same time my
reason returned unto me... "
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since the fall,
we've lost our reason
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and "for the
glory of my kingdom,
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my honor and
brightness returned to me... "
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since the fall, we've lost
our honor and our brightness...
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the image of God...
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"and my counsellors
and my lords sought me;
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and I was
established in my kingdom,
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and excellent
majesty was added unto me. "
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We have a
crown... we have a robe...
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we have a throne...
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everything that is
restored to Nebuchadnezzar
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is a type of what God
wants to restore in us
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as He redeems us from sin.
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Ivor: Because we are
re-made in His image...
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no longer animals.
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James: It's a
beautiful picture. Ivor: Yeah.
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James: And you... you know...
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Yvonne: I find it
really interesting
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that they took him back
and even though he was nuts
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for seven years...
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that was the favor of God.
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James: That was
the favor of God.
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James: And God's
going to take us back...
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and the angels
find it interesting
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that God's going
to take us back in
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even though we are
nuts for 6,000 years.
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That's the favor of God.
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Ivor: Did we
read the last verse?
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James: Yeah, we did...
we didn't comment on it,
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did you want to comment
on it? You got 15 seconds.
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Ivor: That's what we're
going to do in heaven...
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that's what we're
going to do in heaven.
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James: Yes...
yes... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: "I praise...
I extol... I honor... "
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Yvonne: "Just and
true are Your ways... "
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Ivor: "Just and true are
Your ways, O King of saints. "
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Yvonne: O King of
saints... ooooh...
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James: Yeah, praise God...
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same theme in
Revelation... praise God.
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Yvonne: Amen.
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