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James: Okay, so
we ran out of time
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just before we
were finishing up here
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and there were a
couple more points
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that I thought would be
really good for us to highlight
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in Daniel chapter 3
before we finish up.
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One of them for sure
is about the mighty men
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and what happens to
them and why it happens
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and just to touch a
little bit more on the king
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and his anger and how
that works into our lives
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and then, kind of finish
up with the Son of God...
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how did he know it was the Son
of God that was in the furnace?
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I mean, that's a
really good question
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and then, we need to
finish up the last few verses
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and kind of touch on
what's going on there
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with King Nebuchadnezzar...
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that sets up for chapter 4
which... man... with chapter 4
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is just powerful...
it's really powerful.
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So, hey, Jason, would
you have prayer for us
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so we can get right in?
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Jason: Hmmm...
hmmm... "Dear Heavenly Father,
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we thank you for the
opportunity to study Your Word,
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we thank You that we are
seeing and learning principles
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on how to stand
in these last days
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and we just ask that you
would continue to be with us
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as we go through this study
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and guide our
thoughts and our conversation,
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in Jesus' name we pray, amen. "
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All: Amen.
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James: So, we're
in Daniel chapter 3,
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and we're picking
up where we left off...
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last session we
finished up with this area
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where Nebuchadnezzar
was really, really angry
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and it says... he
was angry before...
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already angry... but it
says now he's even angrier
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and we talked about
the idea that he's angry
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partly with himself
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because he's
realizing in himself,
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"Man, those guys are so like,
together and peaceful and calm
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and they have no fear and I
thought I could intimidate them
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and I haven't been
able to intimidate them...
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I've been able to
intimidate everybody but them.
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Yvonne: Right.
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James: And so, he
gets even angrier now
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and I think part of
that anger is intimidation.
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I think people get angry because
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they're trying to intimidate
or they want to intimidate
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and so it says here
that he is so angry...
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I'm just looking
for the verse here.
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Jason: You think he was battling
with his own insecurities?
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James: Yes, he was battling
with his own insecurities...
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he was fearful... and... and...
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Ivor: Verse 19.
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James: Verse 19 where
Nebuchadnezzar was full of...
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"Then
Nebuchadnezzar was full of fury,
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and the form of
his visage was changed
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against Shadrach,
Meshach, and Abednego... "
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and we'll touch on
this in another version
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or later on when he
says something like,
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"I thought I saw three
men and there's four men... "
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the wise men... all of
his counselors or whatever
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when he asks
this question to them
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basically they say,
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"Yeah, that's
true... that's true King,
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whatever you say... yeah,
whatever you say, that's true"
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there's no... he's
used to just obedience.
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Yvonne: Right.
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James: He's used
to people just saying,
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"Yes Sir... yes...
yeah, yeah, yeah... "
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and so, it really
bothers him here...
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it brings out a lot
of his insecurity...
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it causes him to come to
a... to a height of anger
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that seeks to intimidate...
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to put it mildly, to put all of
his strength in the arm of flesh
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in my power... in my
might... in my intimidation...
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in my ability to intimidate...
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Ivor: Yeah...
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looking again at the
prophetic implications here,
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remember that this whole
thing that's going on here
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actually includes
another individual
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and that other
individual is Cyrus.
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James: Hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Right? the reason they're
not bowing down to this image
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that says, "My kingdom is
going to last forever... "
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is because they know
that another nation is coming
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and that that nation is
going to overthrow Babylon.
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Right? they know that
there was one more powerful...
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that is going to be more
powerful than Nebuchadnezzar
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and they're
saying, "You know what?
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Yeah, your image and what
you're saying is going to be...
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is not going to be...
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Cyrus is coming and
he is going to be...
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he's going to
overthrow your kingdom.
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Obviously, you'll remember
that Cyrus is a type of Jesus
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and so, whenever we
are facing these trials...
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these conflicts like...
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whether in our
lives on a personal level
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or in a prophetic level,
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we have to remember
that there is one greater
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than the enemy that we face
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and that one
greater is Jesus Christ.
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All: Hmmm...
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Ivor: And so, that's again part
of the reason why they're like,
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"We're not bowing down because
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you're not the
most powerful one,
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there is one
that is more powerful.
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Yvonne: Right, right.
Jason: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: And now, as you
move through this story,
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he... he makes the decree
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that the furnace is
heated seven times hotter,
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so, a lot of times
when we stand for God,
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the initial trial
doesn't get easier...
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it can get harder.
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Yvonne: That's true.
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James: It can get harder...
it can become more intense.
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When you stand for God,
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you are standing
against all of the ire...
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all of the anger of the
dragon... of the devil...
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of Satan and his forces...
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and anyone that is
occupying his territory
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whose one in his army is
going to come against you,
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so, he's... he's
pushing even harder right now
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so sometimes as
believers, we think,
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"Okay, I'm going to
stand up for God right now
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and He will be with me and
everything will be okay... "
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and it gets more intense...
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we're like,
"Whoa, what is this?"
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for example,
case in point, Job...
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Job loses his wealth...
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he loses his family...
he loses his everything
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and the next thing you know,
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it's not getting
better, it's getting worse.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: Then, Satan comes after
him with his physical body...
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his physical
health. Yvonne: Right.
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James: Everything looks
like it's going downhill...
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and then his wife struggles...
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she's... she's
faltering a little bit,
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"Man, I thought... we
should just curse God and die. "
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Job's like, "Don't be silly,
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you know, don't be silly...
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you know, God
gives... God takes...
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we need to trust
Him right now, honey. "
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They work through
that whole process
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and many times,
that's what we need...
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you can imagine,
these three guys...
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and that's what I
love about this...
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this isn't like
Daniel in the Lions' den
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where he's by himself,
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these three guys at
least have each other.
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Yvonne: Right.
Jason: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: They have
that community of faith
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and we need community of faith
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and so, they're
standing together through this,
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but what's interesting to me is,
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as it goes on further it says,
"Because the king's command... "
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let's read...
Jason, can you read for us
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verse... I think it's verse 22.
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Jason: 22? Okay.
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"Therefore, because the
king's command was urgent,
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and the furnace exceedingly hot,
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the flame of the
fire killed those men
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who took up Shadrach,
Meshach, and Abednego... "
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James: Okay, there
are two factors here
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that lead up to the
death of these mighty men
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and they're called "Mighty men"
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these guys were
tough guys... they...
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so the king... two things...
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the furnace is
heated seven times hotter
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and the king's
commandment is urgent...
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he's in a hurry... he
wants to get this done...
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so... so... you
know, normally maybe
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when the furnace is
getting heated up like this...
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because you think
there's people putting stuff in
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it's getting hotter and hotter
and they're going to test it
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and they're going to see how
close they can get or whatever
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but they didn't
do any of that...
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the king is urgent about this,
"We need to just do this... "
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Jason: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: And so,
these mighty men bring
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Shadrach, Meshach and
Abednego to throw them in
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and what happens to them?
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Yvonne: They get
killed. Jason: They get killed.
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James: Now, the
spiritual lesson here
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that I think that's so powerful
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is that there's
safety in the fire...
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there's safety in the trial...
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: If we're not willing
to go all the way to Jesus...
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if we're not ready to
go all the way with Jesus,
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we're not going to make it.
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Jason: Hmmm... hmmm...
Yvonne: True... true... yeah.
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James: These guys...
these guys stop at the door...
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they stop at the door.
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As soon as we face trial, if
we stop and turn around there
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it's not going to happen for us.
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We've got to go
all the way with Jesus
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and these guys go
all the way with Jesus
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because he's in
the fire and when we...
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when we... we realize
that he's in the fire,
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we can count
every trial a blessing.
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Jason: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Yes.
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James: We count the
joy in the battle...
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we know that He is there.
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Yvonne: That's right.
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James: And that's what I
love now about this how idea
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of facing these trials,
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there's no way we're not going
to have trials in our lives,
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family, church,
community, nation, world...
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there's nowhere where we're
not going to have trials...
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but if we know
that God is there,
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we can count it a joy,
that's what James says,
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"Count it all a joy when you
fall into divers temptations. "
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Jason: The
interesting thing is...
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too is when the guys who
led them into the fire...
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they ended up being killed...
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in Revelation
chapter 13 verse 10 it says,
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"He who leads into captivity
shall go into captivity;
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he who kills with the sword
must be killed with the sword.
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Here's the patience and
the faith of the saints. "
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James: Wow.
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Jason: It's just interesting...
it's like an immediate...
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you know, leading
them into captivity...
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leading them into death...
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what they thought
was going to be death...
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and instantly they
were... they were dealt with.
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Ivor: That's right.
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James: Here's
the... now I love this...
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again Jason, I just
want to bring this up
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because you made that connection
with the book of Revelation,
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so, the book of Revelation
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just kind of goes through
this prophetic scenario...
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you read these
mysterious verses like,
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"He that leads
them into captivity... "
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and you're like,
"What does that mean?"
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But then you go to Daniel,
and then... there it is...
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"Oh that's what it
means right there. "
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So, again, those
two books together
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but Daniel giving us
the practical application
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of some of the stuff...
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and it's though
when God read the...
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inspired the book of Revelation,
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it's as though He... He
knew that we'd be going back
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to the Bible and back to
Daniel to get an understanding
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so, He's writing this all out
real symbolic and real like...
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down... distilled stuff like...
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and we just have
to break it open...
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break it open and
see what it means...
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that's how we do that... that's
why I love that connection.
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Jason: The Lions'
den too... same thing.
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James: Yeah... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: So, the book
of Hebrews tells us
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that our God is a consuming fire
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and the reason He
is a consuming fire
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is... it's... we don't get it
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but it's a powerful reason.
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We think of fire and
we're typically afraid of fire
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but in Song of
Solomon chapter 8 and verse 6,
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the Bible says that
fire is a symbol of love.
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James: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: So, the reason that
God manifests Himself as fire
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is because God is love.
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So, fire is
heaven's love language.
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Right?
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So, when God
created Adam and Eve,
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they were actually able
to stand in His presence
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and not be consumed.
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Yvonne: Right... right.
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Ivor: Right? But
when they sinned,
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they were now
afraid of the fire.
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Ivor: They hid from God... why?
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Because to them... God
was now a consuming fire.
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James: Hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: So, the
entire plan of salvation
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is really God trying to find a
way to make us fireproof again.
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James: Hmmm... Yvonne: Ahh...
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Ivor: So that we can
stand in His presence
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and not be consumed.
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Right, so think about
Moses and the burning bush.
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Ivor: Moses see
this bush... he's like,
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"How is it that this bush
burns but it's not consumed?"
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And God was
trying to let Moses know,
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"Listen, this is
my ideal for you,
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I want you to be able
to stand in my presence
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and not be consumed.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: And so,
how does He do that?
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He does that through the
baptism of the Holy Spirit.
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James: Hmmm...
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Ivor: John the Baptist
says, "I will baptize you...
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Jesus... when He comes,
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He will baptize you with
the Holy Ghost and with fire. "
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Yvonne: Right.
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Ivor: So, when we see
someone baptized in water,
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they go down in the water
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and when they come up,
they're covered in water.
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James: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Right.
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Ivor: So, when
you're baptized in fire,
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you're going down in fire
and you're coming up on fire.
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Yvonne: Oh... come on...
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Ivor: And so...
James: On fire...
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Ivor: So, you're on
fire... that's what it means
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and so, check this out...
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because Shadrach,
Meshach and Abednego were...
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they had the fire in them,
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the difference
between those mighty men
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and Shadrach,
Meshach and Abednego
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is that they were fireproof.
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James: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Wow!
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Ivor: They could stand in God's
presence without being consumed
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and it was
literally demonstrated
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as they're thrown into the fire,
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the form of the
fourth is in there
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and the fire
doesn't even touch them
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but these other
guys were not fireproof.
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Yvonne: Wow!
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Ivor: So, God is ultimately
trying to make us fireproof,
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right?
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We are the ones... according
to the book of Isaiah 33
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I believe it's in 14...
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James: Yeah, I was
looking for that verse.
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Ivor: Isaiah 33 and verse
14, why don't you read that?
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This verse just really
throws people for a loop
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and they're like,
"Wait, what did that say?"
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Jason: You said
Isaiah 33 and verse 14?
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Ivor: Yeah, it says, "The
sinners in Zion are afraid;
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fearfulness has
surprised the hypocrites.
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Who among us shall
dwell with the devouring fire?
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who among us shall dwell
with everlasting burnings?
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James: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: And then the answer is,
"He that walketh righteously. "
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James: You got it Jason?
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Jason: Hmmm... hmmm...
James Verse 15... Jason: Yes.
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Ivor: He that
walketh righteously...
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what else does it say?
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Jason: "And speaks uprightly,
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he who despises the
gain of oppressions,
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who gestures with his
hands, refusing bribes,
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who stops his ears
from hearing of bloodshed,
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and shuts his
eyes from seeing evil:
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he will dwell on high;
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his place of defense
will be the fortress of rocks;
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bread will be given him,
his water will be sure. "
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James: Hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: So, that's powerful,
that text is telling us there
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that it's the righteous
that will burn forever...
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not the wicked...
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Yvonne: Oh... that's good.
00:13:13.52\00:13:15.76
Ivor: The righteous
will stand in His presence...
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the righteous are going to be
fireproof through all eternity,
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they'll be able to
stand in God's presence
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without being consumed
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while the wicked
expose that same fire...
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it's the same fire...
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but because
they were unprepared,
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they're destroyed by that fire.
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So, that... the three
Hebrews versus the mighty...
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these mighty men...
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it's another
snapshot of actually...
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of what happens
at the end of time.
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James: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Wicked are destroyed...
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the righteous are able to
stand in the presence of God
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without being consumed.
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Yvonne: Wow!
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James: And this has its parallel
again in the book of Revelation,
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so, we go to the
book of Revelation...
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we find this picture
in Revelation chapter 15
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that isn't
necessarily understood
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by just reading Revelation
15 but when we go back now
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and we go to the book of Daniel
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and we connect with Isaiah
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and we understand what the
rest of the Bible is saying,
00:14:06.17\00:14:07.58
we read this verse, Isaiah...
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excuse me,
Revelation 15 verse 2...
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got that?
Revelation 15 verse 2...
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Jason: Hmmm... hmmm...
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"And I saw
something like a sea of glass
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mingled with fire,
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and those who have the
victory over the beast,
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over his image and over his mark
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and over the number of his name,
standing on the sea of glass,
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having harps of God. "
00:14:28.80\00:14:30.13
James: Okay, so we've got the
sea of glass mingled with fire
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and who's going to stand?
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Ivor: And what do
they get victory over?
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James: The beast, the
mark, it's image... the name.
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Ivor: The image...
the image... the image...
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Yvonne: Yes.
00:14:39.41\00:14:40.74
Ivor: What were they
facing in Daniel chapter 3?
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Yvonne: The
image. Ivor: The image.
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James: They stand on the sea
of glass mingled with fire...
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they stand in the fiery furnace.
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Ivor: Yeah. Yvonne: Huh...
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Jason: That's good.
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Yvonne: That is really
good... that is good stuff.
00:14:50.55\00:14:53.79
I love the point that
you made about them...
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the wicked not burning forever
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because that again is one
of Satan's misrepresentations
00:15:00.76\00:15:05.40
of the character of God.
00:15:05.43\00:15:07.27
James: Turned it
upside down, didn't it?
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Yvonne: Turned it upside down.
00:15:08.70\00:15:10.04
Ivor: God loves...
God loves people too much
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to allow them to
burn forever in agony
00:15:12.97\00:15:15.74
and the devil flips
that whole scenario...
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flips it... yeah...
that's what he does.
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James: And the key here that
I think really opens that up
00:15:21.08\00:15:22.98
because we may say
that... we may argue that...
00:15:23.02\00:15:25.55
we may say, "Well,
God's not going to burn
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the lost forever
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but we don't add that the
righteous are going to stand
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in the everlasting flames.
00:15:32.73\00:15:34.06
The righteous are going to stand
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with the burning fire of the
Holy Spirit filling them forever
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so, if we're letting
the wicked and the righteous
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have the same end,
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then, we're not making a
distinction between the two.
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Yvonne: That's right.
00:15:46.61\00:15:47.94
Jason: And think about
how miserable people would be
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who are just
determined to do their own will
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and don't want to be in
the presence of the Lord,
00:15:52.71\00:15:55.12
how miserable would
they be to spend an eternity
00:15:55.15\00:15:57.52
with the One that they don't...
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that they don't
value and appreciate.
00:15:58.92\00:16:00.49
Ivor: This is an
example I love sharing is that
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during... in the days of Noah...
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I just think about it...
there was one set of creatures
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that were not inside
the ark that didn't die.
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James: Hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm?
00:16:12.47\00:16:14.27
Ivor: Did you know
that? James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:16:14.30\00:16:15.77
Jason: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: The angels?
00:16:15.80\00:16:17.74
Ivor: The sea creatures.
00:16:17.77\00:16:20.11
Ivor: Just think
about it, they were like...
00:16:20.14\00:16:22.51
"Oh, water... ah... Ooooh!"
00:16:22.54\00:16:27.38
Yvonne: That's
true, the sea creatures...
00:16:27.42\00:16:29.62
Ivor: Right? So,
in that same sense,
00:16:29.68\00:16:31.72
there's only
one set of creatures
00:16:31.75\00:16:33.79
that will survive
when Jesus comes again
00:16:33.86\00:16:35.82
and it's "fire creatures... "
00:16:35.86\00:16:37.33
James and Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:16:37.36\00:16:38.76
Ivor: We have to be
born again of His Spirit...
00:16:38.79\00:16:40.96
James: Yes, of water and fire...
00:16:41.00\00:16:42.33
Ivor: So that when He
comes again, we're just like,
00:16:42.36\00:16:43.90
"Oh yeah, fire? not a problem...
00:16:43.97\00:16:45.50
have you been on...?"
00:16:45.53\00:16:47.37
That's why He doesn't
want us to be lukewarm,
00:16:47.40\00:16:49.14
He wants us to be hot
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because when we're hot
and we see Him as He is,
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hot attracts the hot...
00:16:57.31\00:16:59.38
right? fire attracts the fire...
00:16:59.41\00:17:01.48
and so, we have to
become those fiery creatures
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and how do we become
those fiery creatures?
00:17:04.05\00:17:06.49
By being baptized
by the Holy Spirit.
00:17:06.52\00:17:08.29
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:17:08.32\00:17:09.66
Ivor: By being submersed by
the fire of the Holy Spirit,
00:17:09.69\00:17:11.69
I'd like to say it this way,
00:17:11.76\00:17:13.09
we need to learn
how to "flame on... "
00:17:13.13\00:17:14.46
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:17:14.50\00:17:15.83
All: Laughter. Yvonne: Yes...
00:17:15.86\00:17:17.20
James: Let's talk
about that a little bit
00:17:17.23\00:17:18.57
because that's...
again, that's kind of...
00:17:18.60\00:17:20.10
you know, it's doctrinal...
00:17:20.14\00:17:21.47
it's theological but I
think it's also practical.
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Jason: Yeah.
00:17:23.77\00:17:25.11
James: So, the Holy
Spirit... Jesus said...
00:17:25.14\00:17:26.91
when He comes,
00:17:26.94\00:17:28.34
He's not going to
talk about Himself.
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You were talking, Jason,
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I thought it was really
interesting how the wicked...
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they're not going to want
to be in the presence of God
00:17:34.35\00:17:36.32
for all eternity...
00:17:36.35\00:17:37.69
they're not going to
want to have the Holy Spirit
00:17:37.72\00:17:39.22
because the Holy
Spirit is other-centered.
00:17:39.25\00:17:41.22
All the Holy Spirit
does is talk about Jesus.
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All: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:17:42.86\00:17:44.19
we like to talk
about ourselves...
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we like the focus to be on us...
00:17:45.63\00:17:47.13
we're living in an "I" world...
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an iPhone and iPad and i...
00:17:48.90\00:17:50.67
and the Holy Spirit is coming
00:17:50.70\00:17:52.43
and you know, the disciples...
00:17:52.47\00:17:54.10
they were still
having that "I" issue...
00:17:54.14\00:17:56.24
all the way up
until the crucifixion...
00:17:56.30\00:17:58.31
and even after that
they were struggling...
00:17:58.34\00:18:00.31
here's what they
were struggling with.
00:18:00.34\00:18:01.94
"What's going to
happen to us now?
00:18:01.98\00:18:03.51
They're going to persecute us...
they're going to kill us...
00:18:03.55\00:18:05.45
they're going to get us... "
00:18:05.48\00:18:06.82
they've locked the doors...
they're so afraid... why?
00:18:06.85\00:18:08.98
because they're
thinking about themselves.
00:18:09.02\00:18:10.35
When they confess their sins,
00:18:10.39\00:18:12.39
and all their selfishness
and all their self-thinking...
00:18:12.42\00:18:14.52
the Holy Spirit fills them...
00:18:14.56\00:18:15.92
tongues of fire come
down on their heads...
00:18:15.96\00:18:17.79
the doors burst open... and all
they can talk about is Jesus.
00:18:17.83\00:18:20.03
Yvonne: Right.
00:18:20.06\00:18:21.40
James: The Holy
Spirit fills them
00:18:21.43\00:18:22.76
with this "other-centered focus"
00:18:22.80\00:18:24.13
and so, they're
just filled with Jesus
00:18:24.17\00:18:25.50
so, when we're
talking about being fireproof,
00:18:25.53\00:18:26.94
we're talking about
none of self and all of God
00:18:26.97\00:18:29.54
and that's what
these three guys have.
00:18:29.57\00:18:30.91
Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:18:30.94\00:18:32.27
James: They're
like, "Did you just say
00:18:32.31\00:18:33.64
who's going to deliver us?
00:18:33.68\00:18:35.24
Is that what you
said Nebuchadnezzar?
00:18:35.28\00:18:36.98
because now it's not
about us anymore, right?
00:18:37.05\00:18:39.28
now it's about God
and we're not moving... "
00:18:39.31\00:18:41.55
and when we have that mentality
00:18:41.58\00:18:43.52
where we're focused on God
and our whole life is just God,
00:18:43.55\00:18:46.12
the Holy Spirit can... can come.
00:18:46.15\00:18:48.19
Can you imagine the
Holy Spirit filling a person
00:18:48.22\00:18:50.26
that has 10% of
self and 90% of God?
00:18:50.33\00:18:54.43
There's still...
there's still a lot "self" there
00:18:54.46\00:18:57.33
that God's going to empower
and we see that sometimes,
00:18:57.37\00:18:59.73
we do see it but God
wants all of "self" out
00:18:59.77\00:19:01.70
and He's going to fill
us with more of His Spirit.
00:19:01.77\00:19:03.37
We don't want
to be filled 90%...
00:19:03.41\00:19:04.91
we want to be filled
a 100% with His Spirit.
00:19:04.97\00:19:06.68
Yvonne: Right... right.
00:19:06.71\00:19:08.04
James: And that looks
like focusing on Christ...
00:19:08.08\00:19:09.48
focusing on Jesus
00:19:09.54\00:19:11.15
and that's what
these guys were doing.
00:19:11.18\00:19:12.65
That's what the end-time people
will be doing in their crisis.
00:19:12.68\00:19:15.08
So, how did he know
He was the Son of God?
00:19:15.12\00:19:17.12
It's like
Nebuchadnezzar is looking
00:19:17.15\00:19:18.62
and he's looking
in there... he's like,
00:19:18.65\00:19:20.09
"Let me get my glasses...
00:19:20.16\00:19:21.72
oh... there's four and
that other guy in there... "
00:19:21.76\00:19:26.03
we're looking here at verse
25, "He answered and he said,
00:19:26.06\00:19:29.46
'Lo, I see four men loose...
00:19:29.50\00:19:30.87
didn't we put three?
I see four men loose...
00:19:30.90\00:19:32.50
walking in the
midst of the fire,
00:19:32.53\00:19:33.87
and they have no hurt;
00:19:33.90\00:19:35.24
and the form of the fourth
is like the Son of God. '"
00:19:35.27\00:19:37.27
How did he know He
was the Son of God?
00:19:37.31\00:19:38.64
Yvonne: Right, how did
he know? he said the form...
00:19:38.67\00:19:41.44
James: Yeah, the
form of the fourth...
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that looks like the Son of God.
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Ivor: That's a good sermon
title "The Form of the Fourth. "
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James: The Form of the Fourth.
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Yvonne: Oh, you
know, you've been coming up
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with these sermon titles here.
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Jason: I know, I like that.
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James: Yeah but
that sermon title,
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doesn't answer my question.
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All: Laughter.
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James: How did he know?
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Yvonne: I wonder if he
was taller and looking regal
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and just had a different
kind of form than anybody else.
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James: I think
that's part of it...
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I think also... I'm just...
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I'm just going to say this...
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I think also that Nebuchadnezzar
had been introduced
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to enough of the God of
Daniel and his three friends
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that he could
recognize Him himself.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:20:30.23\00:20:31.56
James: In other words,
what I'm thinking is...
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is that... that
Daniel and his friends
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had talks with Nebuchadnezzar
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because I think Nebuchadnezzar
was convicted intellectually
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in Daniel chapter 2...
"Your God is the God of gods"
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but I don't
think it ended there,
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I think Daniel was a true mentor
and a true pastor at heart
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and he followed up
with Nebuchadnezzar.
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He's like, you know,
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"Let's have
some follow-up visits
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on the conviction
you had about my God... "
00:20:53.45\00:20:55.45
and he started to talk
to Nebuchadnezzar about that
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and I think Nebuchadnezzar
was wrestling with his fears...
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with his... you know,
with his... with his pride...
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and with what
Daniel was sharing with him
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and Daniel was
talking about, you know,
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I imagine Daniel might even have
shared the verse in Isaiah 43.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:21:09.53\00:21:10.87
James: Like,
you know, this is...
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because Nebuchadnezzar is like,
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"How can... I don't
understand your God...
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why would He do this?
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Why would He let
His... all these people...
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I mean, I know He's...
00:21:18.74\00:21:20.08
it seems like
He's an amazing God
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like He's delivered... but
why would He let all that...
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that dream was
amazing... that was...
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but why would He like
just lead you captives... "
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and so, they
explained some of the...
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some of the
prophecies about Jesus...
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about Messiah in Isaiah, of
course, 43 and 53 et cetera,
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so, I think they communicated
enough to Nebuchadnezzar
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about God...
about the Son of God...
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that when he
sees... like, "That's...
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that's the Son of God...
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the One they talked about
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when they said He'd be
with them in the fire...
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the One that they... that gave
them the dream that I had...
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the One that... whoa,
that's got to be Him...
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that's got to be Him...
" that's what I'm thinking.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:21:53.74\00:21:55.24
Ivor: As you look at this
story, there's so much there...
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I think, what was
Nebuchadnezzar thinking
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as he saw these three... first
three people in the fire right?
00:22:00.68\00:22:05.55
and that must have
been a message to him...
00:22:05.59\00:22:09.12
those three people in the fire
must have been a message to him.
00:22:09.16\00:22:14.73
Yvonne: What... what message?
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James: Three... three...
00:22:16.30\00:22:17.63
Ivor: Those three
people in the fire
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must have been a message to him
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and I can imagine him thinking,
00:22:20.54\00:22:23.04
"Wow! these
are... they fear God...
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
and they give glory to Him.
00:22:26.94\00:22:29.28
Ivor: They give glory to Him
00:22:29.34\00:22:31.25
and this message that they
gave me that Babylon is fallen
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like, it... it must be true.
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James: They're
keeping His commandments.
00:22:38.75\00:22:40.09
Ivor: They're keeping
His commandments and...
00:22:40.12\00:22:41.46
James: And they
have faith in Jesus.
00:22:41.49\00:22:44.39
Ivor: In Jesus...
and they just condemned
00:22:44.43\00:22:47.06
everyone that bowed
down to this image...
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that's the
third angel's message.
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"Whoever bows down to this
image will be cast into a f... "
00:22:51.47\00:22:55.84
I mean, will be...
I mean, it's all...
00:22:55.87\00:22:57.34
James: That's a
great connection...
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that's just a great connection.
00:22:58.84\00:23:00.18
Ivor: And then, and then...
we know that there's not just
00:23:00.21\00:23:02.24
three angels' messages, right,
00:23:02.28\00:23:03.61
we know that there's a
fourth angel to prepare...
00:23:03.65\00:23:05.85
that solidifies
the whole thing...
00:23:05.88\00:23:08.38
James: That enlightens the
earth with the glory of God.
00:23:08.42\00:23:10.15
Ivor: And the appearance
of the fourth must have...
00:23:10.19\00:23:12.12
must have solidified
in Nebuchadnezzar's mind
00:23:12.15\00:23:15.46
all that they
have said is true...
00:23:15.49\00:23:17.29
James: This is all Revelation...
00:23:17.33\00:23:19.09
of course, there's
three and now fourth...
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that's Revelation 14 and 18.
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Yvonne: Yes, isn't
that good? Jason: Agreeing.
00:23:23.67\00:23:25.30
James: Yeah,
that's just powerful.
00:23:25.33\00:23:26.67
Jason: So, is that
going in your sermon?
00:23:26.70\00:23:28.04
Ivor: Ah... that's
going in the sermon.
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All: Laughter...
James: Yeah, I'm going to...
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I'm going to preach
that when I get back.
00:23:31.24\00:23:32.87
All: Laughter.
00:23:32.91\00:23:34.34
Ivor: Let's see
who preaches it first.
00:23:34.38\00:23:35.71
James: You will, I'm on a
different subject right now.
00:23:35.74\00:23:38.21
All right, so let's get...
00:23:38.25\00:23:40.18
this... this is beautiful,
let's just finish it up here...
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we've got 26 to 30...
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Yvonne, would you like
to read those verses for us?
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Yvonne: Sure...
"Then Nebuchadnezzar
00:23:46.52\00:23:48.89
went near the mouth of
the burning fiery furnace
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and spoke, saying, 'Shadrach,
Meshach, and Abednego,
00:23:51.46\00:23:53.90
servants of the Most High
God, come out, and come here. '
00:23:53.93\00:23:57.43
Then Shadrach,
Meshach, and Abednego
00:23:57.47\00:23:59.77
came from the midst of the fire.
00:23:59.80\00:24:01.40
And the satraps,
administrators, governors,
00:24:01.47\00:24:04.07
and the king's
counselors gathered together,
00:24:04.11\00:24:06.64
and they saw these men on whose
bodies the fire had no power;
00:24:06.68\00:24:10.48
the hair of their
head was not singed
00:24:10.51\00:24:12.81
nor were their
garments affected,
00:24:12.85\00:24:15.12
and the smell of the
fire was not on them.
00:24:15.15\00:24:17.35
Nebuchadnezzar spoke, saying,
00:24:17.39\00:24:18.99
'Blessed be the God of
Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego,
00:24:19.02\00:24:22.22
who sent His Angel
and delivered His servants
00:24:22.26\00:24:25.99
who trusted in Him,
00:24:26.03\00:24:27.53
and they have
frustrated the king's word,
00:24:27.56\00:24:29.93
and yielded their bodies,
00:24:29.96\00:24:31.30
that they should
not serve nor worship
00:24:31.33\00:24:33.60
any god except their own God!
00:24:33.64\00:24:35.77
Therefore I make a decree
that that any people, nation,
00:24:35.80\00:24:39.81
or language which
speaks anything amiss
00:24:39.84\00:24:42.24
against the God of
Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego
00:24:42.28\00:24:45.31
shall be cut in pieces,
00:24:45.35\00:24:47.08
and their houses shall
be made an ash heap... '"
00:24:47.12\00:24:49.98
Jason: He's still
an Extremist isn't he?
00:24:50.02\00:24:51.59
Yvonne: Yes, he's so extra...
'because there is no other God
00:24:51.65\00:24:54.36
who can deliver like this. '
00:24:54.39\00:24:55.82
Then the king promoted
Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego
00:24:55.86\00:24:59.59
in the province of Babylon. "
00:24:59.63\00:25:01.83
James: Okay, a couple of
thoughts here real quick...
00:25:01.86\00:25:03.20
we're on the... we're on the
three angels' messages, right?
00:25:03.23\00:25:06.03
we're on the three
angels' messages...
00:25:06.07\00:25:07.44
Ivor: Laughing...
00:25:07.47\00:25:09.77
James: "I saw another angel
flying in the midst of heaven
00:25:09.80\00:25:11.14
having the everlasting gospel...
00:25:11.17\00:25:12.51
to every nation and
kindred, tongue and people... "
00:25:12.54\00:25:13.88
the princes... the governors...
00:25:13.91\00:25:15.24
remember they're from
all over the world, right?
00:25:15.28\00:25:17.15
You got that? Matthew 24:14...
00:25:17.18\00:25:19.08
and then it says, "that
have delivered His servants
00:25:19.11\00:25:22.35
that trusted in Him... "
00:25:22.38\00:25:23.72
they have faith in Jesus...
00:25:23.75\00:25:25.09
they had the faith in
Jesus... you go... you go...
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Ivor: He's just... he's
preaching a crude version
00:25:27.62\00:25:30.23
of the three angels' messages.
00:25:30.29\00:25:31.63
James: Yes... yes...
and they worshiped God...
00:25:31.66\00:25:32.99
they didn't worship the
beast... they worshiped God.
00:25:33.03\00:25:34.46
Ivor: It's like
their own version like,
00:25:34.50\00:25:35.96
like, "We'll cut your house...
put your house in dunghill... "
00:25:36.03\00:25:39.13
he's learning...
00:25:39.20\00:25:40.74
James: The torment will
ascend up fire and brimstone
00:25:40.77\00:25:44.01
forever and ever.
Yvonne: Yes... Ivor: Yeah.
00:25:44.04\00:25:45.37
James: I mean, we
say, "Extreme... "
00:25:45.41\00:25:47.51
but he is... he's preaching that
00:25:47.54\00:25:48.88
and then
promotes that in Babylon,
00:25:48.91\00:25:50.25
so, it's really
interesting isn't it how...
00:25:50.28\00:25:52.71
how... how
Revelation is really summarizing
00:25:52.75\00:25:55.28
what's already been
written in practical language...
00:25:55.32\00:25:58.32
the way that it's written
here, it's so practical...
00:25:58.35\00:26:01.46
it's actually these...
these... these literal tests
00:26:01.49\00:26:04.26
of whether we're going
to worship man and his image
00:26:04.29\00:26:06.93
or whether we're
going to worship God...
00:26:06.96\00:26:08.30
whether we're going to trust God
through the fire and the flame
00:26:08.33\00:26:10.50
in the flood... or we're
going to trust in ourselves
00:26:10.53\00:26:14.00
and in what
humans can do for us.
00:26:14.04\00:26:15.37
Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:26:15.40\00:26:16.74
James: Yeah,
beautiful... powerful...
00:26:16.77\00:26:18.11
any other thoughts here?
00:26:18.14\00:26:19.47
Jason: Yeah, you know, one thing
we'll say about Nebuchadnezzar
00:26:19.51\00:26:22.28
is he is dedicated to
whatever he goes for...
00:26:22.31\00:26:25.95
he's dedicated to it
and he gives a 110%...
00:26:25.98\00:26:28.82
like, "If you don't
worship this false god,
00:26:28.88\00:26:31.69
I'm going to kill you
00:26:31.72\00:26:33.05
but if you don't worship this
statue I'm going to kill you...
00:26:33.09\00:26:37.69
if you don't
worship the one true God...
00:26:37.73\00:26:39.29
I'm going to kill you. "
00:26:39.33\00:26:40.66
James: "If you don't tell me my
dream, I'm going to kill you. "
00:26:40.70\00:26:43.30
Jason: That's right...
he is dedicated 110%...
00:26:43.37\00:26:47.17
got to love his enthusiasm.
00:26:47.20\00:26:48.70
Yvonne: Yeah, that's true.
00:26:48.74\00:26:50.14
Jason: Just got
to get it... got...
00:26:50.17\00:26:52.31
Ivor: He's a
killer... K I L L A...
00:26:52.34\00:26:54.21
K I L L A...
00:26:54.24\00:26:55.58
James: This is a good
point because in Revelation 3...
00:26:55.61\00:26:58.95
the Laodicean church... it
says, "I wish you were cold...
00:26:58.98\00:27:02.28
I wish you were hot or cold... "
00:27:02.32\00:27:04.22
Nebuchadnezzar is cold...
00:27:04.25\00:27:06.35
you know, he's
not fully committed
00:27:06.39\00:27:07.86
but he's 110% for
whatever he believes in...
00:27:07.89\00:27:09.92
sold out for...
he believes in it
00:27:09.96\00:27:11.63
and the Christians
sometimes, that's a rebuke to us
00:27:11.66\00:27:14.03
because we're not sold out.
00:27:14.06\00:27:15.43
we're just
like... ah... lukewarm...
00:27:15.46\00:27:17.63
but we're not sold out so
I love that thought Jason,
00:27:17.70\00:27:19.73
that's a really good thought.
00:27:19.77\00:27:21.10
Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
James: Yeah. Yvonne: It's good.
00:27:21.14\00:27:22.97
James: Good chapter...
very practical... powerful...
00:27:23.00\00:27:24.91
I love the parallels between
this and the book of Revelation,
00:27:24.94\00:27:27.84
open up our eyes to see that
00:27:27.88\00:27:30.15
and a lot of preparation
now for Nebuchadnezzar
00:27:30.18\00:27:33.62
because as we go
into chapter 4...
00:27:33.65\00:27:35.15
Nebuchadnezzar is going to
have this incredible testimony
00:27:35.18\00:27:38.65
of his full-heart surrender
and conversion experience...
00:27:38.69\00:27:42.09
it's going to be a
powerful message for us.
00:27:42.12\00:27:44.03
Yvonne: It is... it
is... Jason: Praise God.
00:27:44.06\00:27:45.93
Yvonne: Amen... amen.
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