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James: We left off
in Daniel chapter 3...
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we're right in the
middle of this transition
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between Nebuchadnezzar's command
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and the three
Hebrews being accused
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of not respecting the king
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and now they're being
gathered and taken into the king
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and the king is going
to start talking to them.
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Right now, the king
is kind of in disbelief
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and we're going to pick up
his spirit and his attitude
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as we get into verse 14
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and what we're going to see
here in verses 14 and onward
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in Daniel chapter 3
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is the intensity
of anger and animosity
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that comes from the
king to these three young men
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and what that's going to
say to us and speak to us is
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that there's going to be
times when we're going to be
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feeling intense heat and trial
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and difficulty and challenge
from people... from human beings
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who may have misunderstood us...
who may feel disrespected...
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who may feel like...
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we're not doing
things we should be doing
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for society at large
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and how do we respond...
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how do we... what
are we going to...
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what are we going to do
in that kind of situation?
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So, these three Hebrews
are going to instruct us
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and help us to
understand how to navigate
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those difficult
situations. Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: So, we should
start with a word of prayer,
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Ivor, would you
like to pray for us?
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Ivor: Let's
pray, "Heavenly Father,
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guide us as we continue to go
through the book of Daniel, Lord
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please give us
insight... give us wisdom
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and above all, we pray
for those who are watching
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that as they watch Lord, they...
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their hearts will be moved...
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their minds will be
made up to firmly...
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to decide firmly
to follow you, Lord,
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and so, bless us now
as we get into this study,
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we pray it in
Jesus' name, amen. "
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All: Amen.
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James: All right,
Daniel chapter 3...
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Jason, do you want to
get... get reading for us
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in verses 14 and let's
go all the way to verse 18.
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Jason: Okay...
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"Nebuchadnezzar
spoke, saying to them,
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'Is it true,
Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego,
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that you do not serve my
gods or worship the gold image
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which I have set up?
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Now if you are ready at the time
you hear the sound of the horn,
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flute, harp, lyre, and psaltery,
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in symphony with
all kinds of music,
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and you fall down and worship
the image which I have made,
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good!
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But if you do not worship,
you shall be cast immediately
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into the midst of a
burning fiery furnace.
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And who is the god who
will deliver you from my hands?'
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Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego
answered and said to the king,
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'O Nebuchadnezzar,
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we have no need to
answer you in this matter. '"
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Wow! he said that to the king!
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"If that is the
case, our God whom we serve
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is able to deliver us
from the burning fiery furnace,
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and He will deliver us
from your hand, O king.
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But if not, let it
be known to you, O king,
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that we do not serve your gods,
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nor will we worship the gold
image which you have set up. "
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James: Oooooh!
Yvonne: Ooooh... ooooh!
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James: There is some
tension in the air right there
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as we can see each one
is playing off the other one
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and the tension goes up.
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Yvonne: Yeah.
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James: What I think is
really interesting here,
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is, Nebuchadnezzar
has already been told
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that they haven't
worshiped or bowed down...
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but he can't believe it.
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He just can't
believe it... "Is it true?"
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: And the reason he
can't believe it is because
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he is himself filled
with fear about his future.
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It's uncertain to him.
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He has this dream that he...
already in Daniel chapter 2
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the dream of the image that
he already affirmed was true
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was from the God of
heaven and this is true,
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"and your God is
the God of gods... "
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but that image ended the
kingdom of Babylon at the head
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and so, the golden
head was telling him...
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in this image that he affirmed
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that his kingdom
was coming to an end
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and he didn't...
he just thought...
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that scared him
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and so, the reason why he
makes the image all of gold
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is because he's trying to
send a message to everyone
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and he invites
everyone to come...
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everyone... high and low...
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because, you know,
kingdoms usually end
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because there's some
kind of conspiracy...
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there's some kind
of group of people
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over in this part of
the... your territory
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or that part of
your territory...
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they're going to come together
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and they're going to try
and plan some kind of coup...
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or some kind of overthrow...
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they're going to build an
army and so he's going to say,
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"Okay, I want all
the representatives...
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I want you all to come here... "
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All: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: "I want you
to worship this image
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that's gold all
the way down... "
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and... and the
message he's sending is,
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"My kingdom is not
going to come to an end...
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so, don't you try to conspire...
don't you try that... "
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and then he's got three guys
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at the head of his
personal government
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who aren't bowing
down. Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: What is that telling
him? Ivor: A conspiracy...
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James: Conspiracy...
Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: "Oh man, we
can't have this, is it true?
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I put you guys...
for Daniel's sake...
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in the highest positions
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and you are not
bowing down... is it true?"
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And the other reason why he's
really struggling with this,
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I think, is because
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he knows that the reason
why those people are bowing down
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is because they're
afraid to go into the furnace.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: And now
he's meeting three guys
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who aren't afraid
to go into the furnace.
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Yvonne: Right.
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James: And so, he wants
to reiterate this because
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he wants to make
sure they understand
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that this isn't about
conspiracy necessarily...
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this is about...
"You're going to live
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or you're going to
die right in this moment
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and surely that's going to
put the fear of me in you. "
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And it doesn't...
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: And what
happens at that point...
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when he realizes
that they're not afraid,
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he loses it...
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he absolutely loses it...
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he's like, "I can't believe
that I'm dealing with three guys
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that aren't afraid. "
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Yvonne: Yeah...
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Ivor: Hmmm... hmmm... I'm
going to add a dimension to this
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that brings it down to
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not just us personally
but in a prophetic sense.
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I want to read Revelation 13
which is literally the parallel
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to what we just
read in Daniel chapter 3.
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Revelation 13 verse 15...
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Revelation 13 verse 14 actually.
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The Bible says,
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"And he deceiveth them
that dwell on the earth
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by the means of those miracles
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which he had power to do
in the sight of the beast;
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saying to them
that dwell on the earth,
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that they should make
an image to the beast,
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which had the wound
by a sword, and did live.
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And he had power to give life
unto the image of the beast,
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that the image of the
beast should both speak,
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and cause that as many as
would not worship the image...
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should be killed. "
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And so, what you
have happening here
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and we've discussed this in our
previous studies on Revelation,
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what you have happening
here is this parallel event
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of an image being set up
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and people being commanded
to bow down and worship.
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and the interesting
thing about Daniel chapter 3
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that really gives us
insight into what's happening
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in Revelation 15 is that,
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you have this
image of... of a man...
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right, image of all gold,
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now, why didn't
Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego
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bow down?
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Well, there are two reasons...
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number one is that this
image is in direct violation
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to the law of God.
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Right?
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So they're being asked
to break the law of God...
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Commandment number two,
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"Thou shalt not bow down
to any graven images... "
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so, this is a
command that has been set up
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in direct violation to the
law of God and they're like,
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"Number one, we're not
bowing for that reason... "
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and Number
two... you can imagine
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the shock of
Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego
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when they see
this image of all gold.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: They're like, "What?
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that's not what
we told him... what?"
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All: Laughter.
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Ivor: If he had made
an image just like the...
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just like the image of Daniel 2
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and said, "Hey guys, this
is what God has shown me...
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I'm not asking
you to bow down...
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but whoa! look at
what God showed me. "
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But he ends up
producing a counterfeit.
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So, this image
is an image of sin.
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It's a man of sin
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and that's exactly what this
image actually points us to...
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at the end of time... the
"man of sin" is going to...
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is going to be presented as...
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"You need to
worship this man of sin. "
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James: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: We know ultimately
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that the ultimate
"man of sin" if you will
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is the
counterfeit of Jesus Christ.
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So, I want you to
think about this scenario...
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just in light of
what we're saying, right?
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You're standing there and
you're looking at this imposter
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who is claiming
to be Jesus Christ.
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James: Hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Right,
we're not talking about
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the people that
lead up to Christ
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or the positions there...
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we're talking
about Satan himself.
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James: Hmmm...
Yvonne: Right... right...
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Ivor: And everyone is
bowing down and saying,
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"This is the promised One...
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this is... the
millennium has come...
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the time of peace...
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His kingdom is going to be a
kingdom that lasts forever...
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according to the Bible... "
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and you have people
who are standing going,
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"We're not bowing...
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man, this is a
conspiracy against Jesus...
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and how... "
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"Are you... are you serious...
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you are not
bowing down to Jesus?"
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and so, what we see happening
in this story of Shadrach,
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Meshach and Abednego are saying,
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"Hey, we're not
serving your gods... "
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is going to be a literal reality
at some point in the future
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and so, the object lessons...
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the parallels that we
will draw are crucial...
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what is it that made them stand
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instead of bowing
with everyone else,
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that's going to
be the same thing
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that will lead God's people
to stand instead of bowing down.
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James: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Despite what they see...
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and I just want you
to think about that...
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they're looking at
this thing of all gold.
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It has to be one of
the most splendid images...
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things that they have ever seen.
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They've never seen
anything like this man.
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I mean, just the sheer
awesomeness of the image...
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like, "Whoa... we
just got to bow... "
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Yvonne: Yeah.
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Ivor: That's going to be the
same thing at the end of time.
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James: And the
music... the music was amazing.
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Yvonne and Ivor: Yeah.
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James: I mean, they
got everything in there.
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Ivor: Everything is going to
lead to this emotional upheaval
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that says, "Hey
man, this is it...
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this is what we've
been waiting for...
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this is the promised
one... this is the deliverer...
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and whoa... let's
just... let's just bow. "
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Yvonne: And all your
senses are drawing you into...
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into that... that situation...
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wow...
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James: Ivor was
touching on Revelation 13...
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I think it would be good to
connect that with Revelation 14
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and the everlasting gospel.
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A question was asked,
"How will we not bow?"
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In Revelation 14... in
contrast to Revelation 13...
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where the world is
following the beast
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and receiving the mark
and bowing to this image...
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Revelation 14 in verses 6 and 7
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call us to the
everlasting gospel.
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Maybe can... Yvonne, could you
read those two verses for us?
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Revelation 14: 6 and 7.
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Yvonne: Sure,
"Then I saw another angel
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flying in the midst of heaven,
having the everlasting gospel
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to preach to those
who dwell on the earth...
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to every nation,
tribe, tongue, and people...
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saying with a loud voice,
'Fear God and give glory to Him,
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for the hour of
His judgment has come;
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and worship Him who
made heaven and earth,
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the sea and springs of water. '"
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James: The first message
of the everlasting gospel
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which is the everlasting
good news... is to fear God
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and that's what
these three guys do
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and when you fear
God, you don't fear men.
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Yvonne: Right.
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James: All fear is gone
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so, they've completely
lost all fear for the king.
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They are not afraid at
all of the king's command
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because they have been
filled with the fear of God
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and so, when the king says,
"Didn't you hear what I said?"
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They said, "Well, yeah... "
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"But you're going to be
thrown into the fiery fire... "
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"Well, if that's
the case, fine...
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if it's not the case... fine...
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we're not going to
worship your god... "
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and it's really
interesting because you think...
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in your mind you think,
"Wow, when the decree comes...
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like, when the
image pressure comes...
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when no man can buy or sell...
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when everything
comes down to it...
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it's going to be hard
to make that decision. "
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I'm like, "Really?"
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I understand that
will be hard in the sense
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that we can't do it...
we're not strong enough to do it
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but here's the deal...
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these guys are showing us...
when your life is on the line,
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that's no time to
compromise your faith in God.
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Jason: Hmmm...
Yvonne: That's right.
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James: That's no time to
compromise your faith in God.
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If you're going to
compromise your faith,
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you can do it now, right?
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God will forgive you
right here but when you...
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when it comes to the end,
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that's not the
time to compromise,
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they're like, "Okay, well,
I guess if we're going to die,
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we're going to die...
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but if we're going to die,
this is not the time to say,
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'We don't believe
in God anymore. '"
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You know what I
mean? Yvonne: Yeah.
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Ivor: And it's
powerful because the reason...
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the other
reason they did not bow
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is in the
second angel's message.
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"Babylon is fallen... "
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Nebuchadnezzar's like,
"No, Babylon is not fallen... "
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and they're like,
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"Yeah, the image said
that Babylon would fall
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so, we can't bow
to a false picture...
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we can't bow to
something that's not true,
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it's not true...
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Babylon is going to fall... "
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and so, you see
this connection between
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the first angel's message...
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second angel's message...
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and then the third...
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Everyone
laughing because they know
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that Ivor has an
important thought...
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Ivor: The third angel's
message man, what is it?
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it's a warning of fire...
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and here Nebuchadnezzar is...
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"All right, if you
don't do what I say,
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I'm throwing you in the fire. "
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James: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Right.
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Ivor: So, which fire
are we going to fear?
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Right? Which fire are we...
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man's fire or God's fire?
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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and then when... when...
when the form of the fourth
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appears in the fire
with them, He's showing them,
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"Look Guys, your
fire is nothing...
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fear not him that
can destroy the... "
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you know... "the body
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but him that can
destroy body and soul... "
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right, and so,
this whole picture
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of what's happening in Daniel
3 has so much practical gospel
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and end-time
significance for us.
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It's important for
us to... to see it...
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to understand it...
to internalize it...
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so that we're able to do
just what they did at that time.
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James: And it's really
cool... go ahead Yvonne.
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Yvonne: I was going to say I...
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I love the way
this is portrayed here
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because you can see it...
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you can visually
see what's going on...
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you can see these guys...
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you can see, first
of all, the king saying,
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"Wait a minute... wait
a minute... wait a minute,
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you're not... let me just...
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let me just
review this for you...
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I told you to
worship this image...
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I told you to bow down...
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and you're not going to do it?"
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Like... I... he just had to
kind of review the situation,
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you know, like,
"Let me just remind you
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of how dire the situation is. "
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And they're like,
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"We don't even need to talk
to you about this matter... "
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like, when I read that...
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I mean, yeah, it brings a
smile to your face, it's like...
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James: Got some goosebumps.
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Yvonne: Yes, because we
don't even need to discuss it...
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Jason: Non-negotiable.
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Yvonne: It's non-negotiable,
we don't need to talk about it.
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Ivor: I think
Nebuchadnezzar was...
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I think he was
most mad at himself.
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James: Yeah, he was.
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Ivor: I think he was
like, "Whoa, that's deep... "
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James: Yeah, "they got
something I don't have. "
00:15:04.43\00:15:07.07
Ivor: "These guys aren't
bowing? like, that's powerful!"
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Yvonne: Yeah.
Ivor: Wait a minute...
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"I'm going to say
that's powerful... grrrr... "
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All: Laughter.
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Ivor: "I don't like what
you guys are doing, get out...
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now it's making me mad. "
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Yvonne: But the
other thing was to me...
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he challenged God...
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he said... he said here...
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"And who is the God who
will deliver you from my hand?"
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In other words, what
God is awesome enough
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to deliver... what...?"
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Ivor: And the answer...
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the answer is found in
Daniel 12:1... Daniel 12:2...
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Yvonne: Oh... Is,
"Michael stands up... "
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Ivor: He will deliver
everyone that is found
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written in the book, right? So,
00:15:44.97\00:15:46.47
again we know that
whatever it is happening
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in Daniel 12:1 and 2
where God delivers...
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that's the answer to that...
"Who is going to deliver you?"
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Michael stands up...
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so we know that
the events that happen
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just before Michael stands
up, Daniel 11... 40 to 45...
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again, take us right
back to what's happening
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right here...
right now. Yvonne: Yes.
00:16:05.23\00:16:06.56
Ivor: Right, what's happening
right here in Daniel 3.
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These are the events that God
is trying to prepare us for...
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to show us, "Look, these are the
things that are going to happen
00:16:11.13\00:16:13.84
right before Michael stands up
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but I want you to
be faithful because
00:16:15.94\00:16:18.01
when the devil seeks to throw
you into that fiery furnace,
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just know that the form of the
fourth... the Son of God... "
00:16:22.14\00:16:26.21
which we'll read
about here shortly,
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"I will be there
in there with you,
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don't give up, someone
is coming to deliver you. "
00:16:30.45\00:16:33.09
James: There's
another in fire also.
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Yvonne: When
they address the king,
00:16:35.36\00:16:36.86
they said, "Our
God would deliver us
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but what if He doesn't... "
00:16:38.63\00:16:39.96
they knew that
they might end up...
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James: It's up to God.
Yvonne: It's up to God...
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they might end up
having to go through that fire
00:16:45.87\00:16:47.57
but if He doesn't...
we're still not going to do it,
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our God is still sovereign...
our God is still good...
00:16:50.24\00:16:52.97
and that we can apply...
so, I'm getting all excited...
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we can apply to our lives today.
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All: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Yvonne: We're going
through something...
00:17:00.18\00:17:01.55
if it doesn't turn out...
you're praying for a loved one
00:17:01.58\00:17:05.09
who might be dying
00:17:05.12\00:17:06.59
and if God doesn't... does
not spare that person's life...
00:17:06.62\00:17:11.63
it doesn't mean that God
is not able... or that...
00:17:11.66\00:17:16.43
what it means is...
that's what's best...
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even though we don't know it,
00:17:19.07\00:17:21.20
and that's where
the faith comes in
00:17:21.24\00:17:23.04
that even if it doesn't
turn out the way we asked,
00:17:23.10\00:17:27.44
we have to
believe that God did it
00:17:27.48\00:17:30.18
because it was what's best.
00:17:30.21\00:17:31.81
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:17:31.85\00:17:33.18
Yvonne: And
ultimately, we would know later
00:17:33.21\00:17:35.12
why He did what He did.
00:17:35.15\00:17:37.09
James: Yes. Yvonne: But faith...
00:17:37.15\00:17:38.49
"Even if you don't answer the
prayer the way we ask it Lord,
00:17:38.52\00:17:42.52
you know what's best... "
00:17:42.59\00:17:44.43
and that's what He does.
00:17:44.49\00:17:46.26
James: Very important.
Jason: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: Think about
this and this is...
00:17:48.10\00:17:49.93
this is a thought that people
will probably struggle with...
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and Christians will
probably struggle with...
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Daniel... I mean... Shadrach,
Meshach and Abednego say,
00:17:55.60\00:18:00.18
"If He doesn't deliver us... "
00:18:00.21\00:18:02.61
think about the
implications of that, right?
00:18:02.64\00:18:05.08
"If He doesn't deliver us... "
00:18:05.11\00:18:07.32
If he doesn't deliver
us, is He upset at us?
00:18:07.35\00:18:10.52
Has He forsaken us?
00:18:10.55\00:18:13.22
If He doesn't deliver us,
00:18:13.25\00:18:16.73
what does this
mean for eternal life?
00:18:16.76\00:18:18.09
James: Hmmm...
00:18:18.13\00:18:19.46
Ivor: Because if we are doing
something and there is sin in us
00:18:19.49\00:18:21.70
that leads God to say,
"I'm not even delivering you"
00:18:21.73\00:18:24.37
then, does this mean that...
00:18:24.40\00:18:26.43
what does this mean
for my life after this,
00:18:26.47\00:18:29.30
do I have eternal life?
00:18:29.34\00:18:30.67
So, in essence
what they are saying
00:18:30.71\00:18:33.71
is, "Even if God
slayed us Himself... "
00:18:33.74\00:18:36.95
James: Hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:18:36.98\00:18:38.31
Ivor: "Even if this meant we
don't get to go on in the future
00:18:38.35\00:18:42.85
and live an
eternal life with God...
00:18:42.88\00:18:44.55
even if that were the case...
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we're still not
bowing down to serve you. "
00:18:46.05\00:18:48.22
Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:18:48.26\00:18:49.59
Ivor: Now, now just follow this
00:18:49.62\00:18:50.96
because,
remember what Moses prayed
00:18:50.99\00:18:52.33
when his people were
rebelling against God?
00:18:52.36\00:18:55.30
And he prayed... what?
00:18:55.33\00:18:56.83
James: "Blot me out...
" Ivor: "Blot me out... "
00:18:56.87\00:18:58.20
like Moses... "Blot me out... "
00:18:58.23\00:19:00.80
is not... is not a
reference to, "Kill me... "
00:19:00.84\00:19:03.30
it's a reference to,
00:19:03.34\00:19:04.67
"Blot me out of
the book of life. "
00:19:04.71\00:19:06.04
Yvonne: Oooh...
00:19:06.07\00:19:07.41
Ivor: Moses was willing
and ready to give up heaven
00:19:07.44\00:19:11.48
in order to reflect
the character of Christ.
00:19:11.51\00:19:16.25
James: Hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:19:16.28\00:19:17.62
Ivor: Jesus
Himself at the cross...
00:19:17.65\00:19:18.99
"My God, my God, why
hast thou forsaken me?"
00:19:19.02\00:19:20.66
He was willing to
die even if it meant
00:19:20.69\00:19:24.16
him never
returning from... from death.
00:19:24.19\00:19:27.40
Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:19:27.43\00:19:28.76
Ivor: And so,
think about this...
00:19:28.80\00:19:30.60
many of us serve God
because we want heaven.
00:19:30.63\00:19:34.10
James: Hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:19:34.14\00:19:35.47
Ivor: Lucifer wants heaven too.
00:19:35.50\00:19:36.84
James: Hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:19:36.87\00:19:38.21
Ivor: Lucifer wants
heaven more than many of us.
00:19:38.24\00:19:39.57
Right?
00:19:39.61\00:19:40.94
Are we serving
God for the reward?
00:19:40.98\00:19:43.08
"I want to be in heaven...
I want to live forever... "
00:19:43.11\00:19:45.58
or, are we willing to
serve God to such a degree
00:19:45.61\00:19:48.78
that even if He slew us,
00:19:48.82\00:19:51.42
we would still be
willing to do what was right
00:19:51.45\00:19:54.69
because it is right...
00:19:54.72\00:19:56.22
because that's what
God wants. Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:19:56.26\00:19:57.99
Ivor: Because
the bottom line is...
00:19:58.06\00:19:59.59
none of us deserve
heaven. Yvonne: That's right.
00:19:59.63\00:20:01.26
Ivor: If God came
back and was like,
00:20:01.30\00:20:02.73
"None of you are
going to heaven... "
00:20:02.76\00:20:04.13
He would be
just... in doing that.
00:20:04.17\00:20:05.50
Yvonne: Right. Ivor:
Because all have sinned
00:20:05.53\00:20:07.64
and fallen short
of the glory of God.
00:20:07.67\00:20:09.27
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:20:09.30\00:20:10.64
Ivor: Right? So, we have
to become so dead to self
00:20:10.67\00:20:14.74
that we are willing
to even pray that prayer,
00:20:14.78\00:20:17.78
"Lord, if it serves
the best for Your purpose,
00:20:17.81\00:20:20.78
blot me out. "
00:20:20.82\00:20:22.38
Yvonne: Oooooh.
00:20:22.42\00:20:23.92
James: So a verse in the
New Testament book of Revelation
00:20:23.95\00:20:25.45
connects with this
00:20:25.49\00:20:26.82
and it's Revelation
chapter 12 and verse 11.
00:20:26.86\00:20:29.22
"They loved not their
lives, even unto the death. "
00:20:29.26\00:20:31.29
Yvonne: Hmmm... Ivor: Yes.
00:20:31.33\00:20:32.66
James: So, it's
not about them anymore,
00:20:32.69\00:20:34.03
this is where
they turn the corner...
00:20:34.06\00:20:35.40
this is where
they turn the corner...
00:20:35.43\00:20:36.77
they're like, "Well, we're not
going to worship that image... "
00:20:36.80\00:20:38.13
Nebuchadnezzar comes, "Is
it true you are not going to...
00:20:38.17\00:20:41.77
let me just reiterate...
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if you don't worship,
you're going in the furnace
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and who's the God
that's going to deliver you?"
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"Did you hear what the...
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did you hear what
the king just said?
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'Who is the God that's... '"
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they just turned
the corner right there,
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"You just challenged our God,
you didn't challenge our faith,
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you just challenged our
God... we're not moving...
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it's over... our
God is so good...
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we don't... it's
not about us anymore,
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we don't care
what happens to us...
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life, death, eternal
life... we don't care anymore...
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you just challenged our God. "
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Jason: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Right.
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James: "And so,
phoof, we're done...
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right now we're
done. " Yvonne: Yeah.
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James: And that's the way...
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that's where God
is bringing us to...
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you know, we're in
this place right now
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in our Christian experience
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where we get challenged
and we take it personally...
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it's about us... but
we're going to make a shift
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and when we make that shift,
then, it doesn't matter anymore.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: Right
now, we're still in...
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and Jesus was
always on that level,
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he was always at that...
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"My Father, my Father, my Father
my Father... my Father... "
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they questioned Him...
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"My Father... I'm reflecting...
I'm doing what my Father...
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so, everything you're saying...
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how does that
relate to my Father?"
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That's what He
was... all the time.
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We're like...
sometimes we're there
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and then, sometimes we're not
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like, "Me... God... me...
God... me... me... me.. God...
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me... me... God... "
you know what I'm saying?
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we're back and forth on
that. Yvonne: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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James: The other thing
that's so powerful about this
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is, the book of Revelation
is just prophecy, prophecy,
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prophecy, prophecy, prophecy...
message... message... message...
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message... and we don't
know the practical stuff.
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Yvonne: Right.
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James: But, when we
say, "Revelation 14...
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everlasting
gospel... fear God... "
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then we go out to
Daniel and we're like,
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"Oh, that's
what it looks like...
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that's what 'Fear God'
is... oh, got it... yeah... "
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that's what I love
about Daniel. Yvonne: Yes.
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James: Daniel fills in all that
relational practical stuff...
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makes it real... like,
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"Oh that's what it looks
like. " Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: It's going to
get more intense now,
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we need to read
these next verses...
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unless you have some
more thoughts here...
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you can always
throw them in but...
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let's read now... Jason,
can you read for us verses 19
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all the way down to verse 26.
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Jason: Okay. James: 27...
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Jason: Okay... "Then
Nebuchadnezzar was full of fury,
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and the expression
on his face changed
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toward Shadrach,
Meshach, and Abednego.
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He spoke and commanded
that they heat the furnace
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seven times more than
it was usually heated.
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And he commanded
certain mighty men of valor
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who were in his army
to bind Shadrach, Meshach,
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and Abednego, and cast them
into the burning fiery furnace.
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Then these men were bound
in their coats, their trousers,
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their turbans, and
their other garments,
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and were cast into the midst
of the burning fiery furnace.
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Therefore, because the
king's command was urgent,
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and the furnace exceedingly hot,
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the flame of the
fire killed those men
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who took up Shadrach,
Meshach, and Abednego.
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And these three men,
Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego,
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fell down bound into the midst
of the burning fiery furnace.
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Then King
Nebuchadnezzar was astonished;
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and he rose in haste and
spoke, saying to his counselors,
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'Did we not cast three men bound
into the midst of the fire?'
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They answered and said to
the king, "True, O king. "
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'Look!' he answered,
00:23:43.99\00:23:45.92
"I see four men loose, walking
in the midst of the fire;
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and they are not hurt,
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and the form of the
fourth is like the Son of God. "
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Then Nebuchadnezzar
went near the mouth
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of the burning
fiery furnace and spoke,
00:23:56.90\00:23:59.33
saying, 'Shadrach,
Meshach, and Abednego,
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servants of the Most High
God, come out, and come here. '
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Then Shadrach,
Meshach, and Abednego
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came from the midst of the fire.
00:24:07.84\00:24:09.51
And the satraps,
administrators, governors,
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and the king's
counselors gathered together,
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and they saw these men on whose
bodies the fire had no power;
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the hair of their
head was not singed
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nor were their
garments affected,
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and the smell of
fire was not on them. "
00:24:26.19\00:24:28.40
Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: Wow! not even
the smell of smoke...
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not even the smell of smoke.
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Yvonne: And they were
fully... fully dressed...
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their turbans and everything...
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they didn't even
take off all the stuff.
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Jason: They were
in flammable attire.
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All: Laughter.
00:24:42.24\00:24:44.08
Ivor: Here's...
here's the problem...
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there was one thing that
was burned in the fire...
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
Yvonne: Hmmm... come on...
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Ivor: That was the...
the rope that bound them.
00:24:51.39\00:24:53.25
James: Yeah. Yvonne:
Ooooh... that's right.
00:24:53.62\00:24:55.12
Ivor: That was the
rope that bound them.
00:24:55.16\00:24:56.59
Let me take that off you
guys while you're in here.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:24:58.76\00:25:00.10
Ivor: Sometimes, we
are going through fire,
00:25:00.13\00:25:02.43
we think, "Oh man, this
fire is going to consume me... "
00:25:02.46\00:25:05.43
and what God is...
what God is doing is,
00:25:05.47\00:25:07.80
He's trying to destroy
the rope that binds us.
00:25:07.84\00:25:09.90
James: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:25:09.94\00:25:11.64
Ivor: And that's
just one of the things
00:25:11.71\00:25:13.24
that really jumped out of this
story... it's like, "Wow... "
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they bind them...
throw them in there...
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and fire gets rid of
that which bounds them
00:25:17.81\00:25:19.75
and that's what
the fire of God does.
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The fire of God is designed to
destroy the things that bind us.
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Yvonne: Yes.
00:25:24.39\00:25:25.72
James: So, Satan
wants to bind us up
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and throw us into this trial
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and God wants to release
those things that bind us
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and give us
freedom in the trial.
00:25:30.39\00:25:32.59
Ivor: Yeah... yeah.
00:25:32.63\00:25:33.96
Yvonne: One of my
favorite verses is Isaiah 43
00:25:34.00\00:25:36.50
verses 1 to 3,
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"Fear not, for
I've redeemed you;
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I have called you by
your name; you are Mine.
00:25:39.73\00:25:41.37
When you pass through the
waters, I will be with you;
00:25:41.40\00:25:44.04
and through the rivers,
they will not overflow you.
00:25:44.07\00:25:46.71
When you walk through the
fire, you will not be burned,
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neither will the
flame kindle upon you.
00:25:49.54\00:25:51.51
For I am the Lord your God,
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the Holy One of
Israel, your Savior... "
00:25:53.31\00:25:55.38
That's what happened here.
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They were...
they were in the fire
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and they were not burned
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and we go through...
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this verse is like
layers of trials...
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so when you go
through the waters...
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"I got you... "
00:26:08.96\00:26:10.30
when you go through a
worse trial... the rivers...
00:26:10.33\00:26:12.60
"I'm still there... "
00:26:12.63\00:26:13.97
and when you go through
the absolute worst in your life
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you won't be burned because...
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and neither will the flame...
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in one of the
versions it says, "scorch you"
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but "neither will
it kindle upon you...
00:26:25.98\00:26:28.78
you will not be
burned... I've got you...
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I've called you
by your name... "
00:26:31.65\00:26:33.42
James: What verse is that?
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Yvonne: "you're
Mine... " Isaiah 43.
00:26:34.82\00:26:36.16
James: Isaiah... Isaiah...
00:26:36.19\00:26:37.73
Yvonne: Isaiah... ah...
00:26:37.79\00:26:39.56
James: Isaiah wrote to prepare
the way for the captivity.
00:26:39.59\00:26:42.80
Yvonne: That's right.
00:26:42.83\00:26:44.30
James: Yeah, so you can imagine
these three guys are like,
00:26:44.33\00:26:46.47
"Remember that
promise in Isaiah 43...
00:26:46.50\00:26:48.44
the one that
Yvonne really likes...
00:26:48.47\00:26:50.34
we need a whole lot of
that promise right now. "
00:26:50.37\00:26:53.58
Jason: One of the things
that I really love about this
00:26:53.61\00:26:56.31
is the fact that Jesus
could have sent anybody...
00:26:56.34\00:26:58.95
He could have sent an angel...
or He could have sent anybody
00:26:58.98\00:27:02.38
but He said, "No, I'm
going to personally show up
00:27:02.42\00:27:06.35
and stand with them and
deliver them from this...
00:27:06.39\00:27:09.79
personally coming
down to be with my people
00:27:09.82\00:27:13.83
that are going
through this trial. "
00:27:13.86\00:27:15.26
It shows that He
feels what we're feeling...
00:27:15.30\00:27:17.60
goes through what
we're going through...
00:27:17.63\00:27:19.87
no matter what
we're experiencing,
00:27:19.90\00:27:22.20
He's always there
with us. Yvonne: Amen.
00:27:22.24\00:27:23.94
Ivor: Amen. Yvonne: That's good.
00:27:24.01\00:27:25.67
James: That's a
powerful thought.
00:27:25.74\00:27:27.08
So, Nebuchadnezzar... as we
get into this part of the story,
00:27:27.11\00:27:29.84
Nebuchadnezzar is super angry
and we're super out of time.
00:27:29.88\00:27:32.61
All: Laughter.
00:27:32.65\00:27:34.32
Yvonne: The glasses
go on and they come off.
00:27:34.35\00:27:37.19
James: Well... yeah,
so, we'll pick this up...
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we just want to touch
on a couple more things
00:27:39.59\00:27:41.59
as we go through this...
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of course, we'll finish
up with the last few verses
00:27:42.99\00:27:44.49
because they're
really interesting also.
00:27:44.53\00:27:45.86
Yvonne: It's rich.
00:27:45.89\00:27:47.36
James: Praise God.
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