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James: I love how
practical the book of Daniel is,
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I mean, we're talking prophecy
but it's really practical.
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We talked about the miry
clay mixed with the iron...
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we talked about
Churchcraft and Statecraft...
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we talked about
how that doesn't work
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in secular and religious lines
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but I think it also
doesn't work in our own lives.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: We need to
be sold out for God.
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He needs all of us...
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we need that
born-again experience.
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We can't be mingling the
Secular with our experience,
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that's got to
go... it's got to go...
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we can try it but
it's not going to cling...
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it's not going to stick
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and how many of us as believers
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have an experience with
Christ that isn't sticking?
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: It's... we're trying
to make something work there
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that isn't working,
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so, we've just got
to let all of that go
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and put our complete trust...
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we need to let Him
take us out of the miry clay
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and place us on the rock...
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put a new song in our
hearts... even praise to God
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so that many can see it
and fear and trust in the Lord.
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Psalm 40:1 through 3...
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Yvonne: Beautiful.
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James: Yeah,
beautiful stuff so God is...
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God is... His
Word is so powerful.
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So, we're still
in Daniel chapter 2,
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we're going to pick up there,
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Jason, can you lead us
in with a word of prayer?
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Jason: Sure. James: Thank you.
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Jason: "Dear
heavenly Father, we thank You
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that we get to study Your Word.
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We continue to go
through the book of Daniel...
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please help us to
learn more about You
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and see You in these
pages and in this story, Father,
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and help us to apply
these principles to our lives,
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in Jesus' name we pray, amen. "
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All: Amen.
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James: Thank you Jason.
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So, Ivor, I'm going to
hand this over to you again
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because I really feel
like you've been giving us
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some good stuff right here.
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We've looked at the story...
we've looked at the prophecy
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and now we're getting
into some of the details
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I think it can be
really helpful for us.
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Ivor: Yeah, yeah...
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I want to take this prophecy
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and really build off of what
James just said in the opening
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and I think, looking at
this in a very practical sense
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will really help us to...
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to kind of see how this
image deals with us personally.
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Yvonne: Oh, good...
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Ivor: So, once
again we see this image...
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its head of gold...
chest and arms of silver...
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belly and thighs of brass...
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legs of iron...
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toes of iron and clay...
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and then a stone comes and
destroys the image on its feet,
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the whole image shatters...
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and then the wind...
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I don't know if you've
read this part yet or not
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but the wind
carries away the chaff...
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just blows everything away.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: And we've... we've
come to see that this image
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represents different kingdoms.
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Babylon...
Medo-Persia... Greece... Rome...
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divided Rome with the
element of clay added to it
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and ultimately the stone
that is cut out without hands
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which we saw is the
true King of the north.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: Right?
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So, the question really is,
"Why do these kingdoms fall?"
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Why do
these kingdoms fall?
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The Bible tells us,
"Pride goes before destruction,
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and a haughty
spirit before a fall. "
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All: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Each one of
these kingdoms fall
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because in one way or
another they reject God.
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James: Hmmm...
Hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: They reject
God through His Son,
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like, specifically
the Roman Empire...
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this is the Empire
in which Jesus came,
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we're going to see that.
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The fact that this
fourth kingdom is set to break
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in pieces...
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we're going to see
that one of the things
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that this fourth kingdom broke
in pieces was Jesus Himself.
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James: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Remember He
said, "This is My body
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which is broken for you. "
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Yvonne: Yeah... James: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Well, who
did the breaking?
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It was Rome, right?
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so, again, each
of these kingdoms
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in one way or another were
kingdoms that were anti-God.
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Right, from Babylon to
Medo-Persia to Greece to Rome...
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each one of them do something...
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even with the
Medo-Persian Empire
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where they try to wipe
out all the Jews, right?
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And the Grecian Empire,
under Antiochus Epiphanes
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there's the... they tried to...
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they desecrate the
temple and sacrifice a pig...
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that's more historical events
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but then, Rome ultimately
destroys the temple...
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crucifies Christ...
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so, in each one
of these kingdoms,
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you see some element of warfare
against God and His people
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down to the toes of
iron and clay, right?
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But... so this image
represents the kingdoms
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that war against God
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but notice what
the image is of...
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it's not an image of a horse...
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it's not an image of a lamb...
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it's not an image of a cow...
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it's an image of a man...
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Yvonne: A man, yes...
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Ivor: That... it's
the image of a man...
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could Daniel 2 be showing us
the results of rejecting Christ
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in your personal life?
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James: Hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: This is what
happens to the man, right?
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that rejects the
plan of salvation.
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James: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Wow!
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Ivor: I want you to notice what
happens to this image, right?
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It starts out gold...
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but as you go
on... what happens?
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It deteriorates in value
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and I believe that
this is what happens...
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the longer we live
life without Christ...
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the longer we live
life rejecting God...
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we... we are
devaluing ourselves.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... that's good.
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Ivor: And it just
shows like this...
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God doesn't want
this for us, right?
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This is not His ideal
for us but He's showing us,
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"This is the path that
man is on without me. "
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So, the image in Daniel 2
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reflects the future of the
man that rejects Jesus Christ.
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Yvonne: And that
even makes me think...
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it's the number of a man 666.
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James: Yeah, and look at that...
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remember that...
well, in Daniel chapter 3,
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we get into the... the
image that Daniel builds, right?
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I'm sorry, that
Nebuchadnezzar builds
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which is 600
cubits and what have you
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so, it's very
similar to that number 666
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but consider that image, right?
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How many kingdoms in that image?
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Right? So there's
the head of gold...
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so, there is the
kingdom represented by the head,
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and then the
kingdom representing...
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pointing to the chest...
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and then the
kingdom representing...
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pointing to the stomach...
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and then the kingdom
representing... pointing leg...
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so, there are
four kingdoms here:
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The kingdom of the mind...
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kingdom of the heart...
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the kingdom of the
appetite and desires...
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and the kingdom of our
directions and our path...
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and so, now, all
of a sudden it's like,
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"Whoa, wait a minute...
why does this kingdom fall?"
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Because the Bible says...
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"A kingdom divided
against itself cannot stand. "
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And what happens with us often?
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So, here's what happens right?
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"Oh man! I really like God...
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I really like the Bible...
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I understand the Bible... "
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we serve God with our knowledge
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but He doesn't have our heart.
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James: Hmmm...
Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: Or, we may be
like, "I love you Lord... "
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displaying emotion...
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Yvonne: Laughter.
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Ivor: Emotion...
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but yet we don't want
to believe what He says...
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we don't submit our appetite
to Him... our desires to Him...
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or we won't walk in His ways...
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so, ultimately what
God is trying to do is,
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He's trying to say,
"Listen, you need...
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I need to be Lord
over your entire kingdom...
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James: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Wow!
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Ivor: You can't
just serve me in the mind
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and not serve me in the heart
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or serve me in the
heart but not do...
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walk in the way that
I've called you to walk.
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James: Or walk in the way
that I've called you to walk
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and not serve me in your heart.
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Ivor: Exactly. Yvonne: Yes.
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James: That's Legalism...
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Ivor: Right, that's Legalism.
Yvonne: Right, that's right.
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Ivor: So, what happens is
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we ended up walking
around in a divided kingdom
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and a kingdom divided
against itself... cannot stand.
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Jason: I have
never, never, ever, ever
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heard it put like that before...
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Yvonne: It's so
good... that's rich.
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Jason: I mean... whenever
anybody talks about this image,
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like, they never
talk about that...
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I've never seen that.
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Ivor: It's a very practical
way of kind of remembering,
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"Look, what happens to
the nations on a large scale,
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is what's happening in the human
heart on a very primitive sense.
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James: It makes
sense. Jason: Yeah, it does.
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Ivor: So, I mean, think about...
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think about what
happens to this image...
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the rock comes
and smites the image.
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What do you think
God wants to do in us?
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The rock... He says...
"If you fall on this rock...
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you'll be broken...
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but don't let the
rock fall on you...
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because you'll be
ground into powder. "
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Yvonne: Yes.
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James: And you're
quoting the Bible now,
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you're quoting
Jesus now, so, Jesus is...
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in a sense what
you're sharing right here
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is confirmed by
Christ's words...
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"Fall on the rock... or the
rock is going to fall on you"
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and that's what we see
here is your outline is...
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that's what we see
here in the image...
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we see not just
the history of nations
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but those nations are
made up of individuals
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and those individuals are us.
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Jason: That's amazing.
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Yvonne: I love the
fact that you both make
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make such great applications
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because one can
read the... the Scripture
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and like Jay said, you read it
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and... and you
see... it's the image
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and they correspond with
the four kingdoms and all that
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and that's all good...
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but when you
apply that to our lives,
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then it takes on
a whole new meaning,
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you know, then it's like
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the words really
just come to life
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because now, it's,
"What does this mean for me?"
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And that's what you will do
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and that's one of
the reasons why I think,
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God has really
blessed this Program
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because you are really
giving us practical applications
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to this Scriptures.
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James: It's all
through the Bible, I mean,
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when you think
about the implications...
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what Ivor... what
Ivor is talking about here,
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the implications here...
it's right here in Daniel 2
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and as you
transition to Daniel 3,
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you're going to talk about
this, it's really interesting,
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Nebuchadnezzar has
that intellectual...
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but not the heart...
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right there, he
has that experience
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so there it is... boom!
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Ivor: Everything is gold.
Yvonne: Everything is gold.
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Ivor: It's all gold, man...
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"How are you doing?"
"Everything is gold... "
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see, but I want you to
check this out... right...
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the most
offensive part of this image
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is the feet of iron and clay.
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James: Hmmm... Ivor: Right?
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Yvonne: Why?
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Ivor: Because here you have
what looks like spirituality...
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you look moldable...
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but iron is on the inside...
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you're mixed with iron
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so while you profess
to be following Christ,
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you're the work...
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it would be better if
you were Nebuchadnezzar
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because he's just
straight out you know, like,
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"Hey, I'm a heathen
and... but I'll... I'm...
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hmmm... makes sense. "
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To... to profess
to be molded by God
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and yet carrying
on iron-hearted...
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in an iron-hearted way
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that's the most
offensive part to God, right?
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Jason: So, is it Laodicean?
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Ivor: It's Lao...
it's like Laodicean...
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and here's the thing,
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God wants to destroy
that image of you... of me...
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so when He comes into our lives,
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He comes like that rock,
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He wants to
shatter that whole image
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and he wants the Holy Spirit...
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in fact, when
you get baptized...
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I like to think
of it like this...
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when you get baptized,
you go down in the water...
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that's the fall
of all your kingdoms.
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James: Oh wow! Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:12:03.95\00:12:05.29
Ivor: You know what
I'm saying? Yvonne: Yes.
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Ivor: The mind... the
heart... the appetite...
00:12:06.69\00:12:08.02
the directions... all falling...
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Yvonne: Yes.
00:12:09.42\00:12:10.76
Ivor: And the wind comes
and takes away the remnant...
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just like the chaff...
woooof... takes it away
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and you come up a
new creature in Christ.
00:12:17.60\00:12:20.14
Yvonne: Yes.
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Ivor: A new creation in
Christ, so, this image is really
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again, this is...
00:12:24.07\00:12:26.21
this is just showing the future
of the man that rejects Christ,
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that rejects God... and
this is what He wants to...
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He wants to
save you from that...
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He wants to save you from
thinking that you're all gold...
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in need of nothing.
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Yvonne: Wow! so it's not
just... that's another thing,
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it's not just this application,
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but it's also applied
to us and the future...
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it's like multiple applications
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in one... in one place.
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Ivor: That's right, yeah, yeah.
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Yvonne: Wow! that
is heavy and so deep.
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James: And that's
the other thing too,
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I just want to
mention real quick here,
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I'm going to give a plug
here for Historicism, Preterism,
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Idealism and Futurism...
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so, Historicism is the only
way of interpreting prophecy
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that allows for
Futurism, Idealism, Preterism...
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what we're talking
about right now is Idealism...
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we're talking about the
principles of these kingdoms
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and how they would
apply to us practically
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in our Christian
experience... that's Idealism.
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It's an ideal interpretation
that makes it... brings it home.
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Yvonne: Yes.
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James: That has
a place in this...
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Historicism allows for that
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as long as you
lay the foundation...
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you understand the
history and everything...
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then you can reach out
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and you can also
do the Futurist part
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because part of
this is future...
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and the Preterist part...
because part of it is beyond
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and so, Historicism is
like this all-inclusive club...
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like, "You're welcome... "
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Historicism...
"You're welcome...
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everyone is
welcome in Historicism...
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now, let's see what
we can get out of this. "
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Yvonne: Yes, it's
good. James: I love it.
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Ivor: I want to kind
of jump back real quick
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to something that
we had shared in...
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probably four or five videos...
Programs ago, I'm sorry...
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so, look at Daniel chapter 2
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and what you have
is a man in Daniel 2
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representing kingdoms
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right? and this
man falls, right?
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The kingdoms fall
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and this man is
ultimately destroyed by a stone
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against his feet.
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Okay, Satan knew that this was
the destruction of his kingdom
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and he knows that
that stone is Jesus Christ.
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James: Hmmm...
00:14:32.00\00:14:33.60
Ivor: So, when Jesus
Christ comes to earth...
00:14:33.64\00:14:37.51
Christ represents
the kingdom of heaven
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and just as Satan...
just as the Bible says,
00:14:42.21\00:14:47.85
"Pride goeth before destruction,
00:14:47.88\00:14:49.25
and an haughty
spirit before a fall... "
00:14:49.28\00:14:50.62
what is Satan...
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Satan says, "Okay, you're the
one that's supposed to destroy
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my kingdom with a stone
being dashed against the feet...
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okay, 'Hey, are
you the Son of God?'"
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James: Hmmm...
Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:15:01.76\00:15:03.77
Ivor: "Hey, if
you're the Son of God... "
00:15:03.80\00:15:05.43
Pride...
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"If you're the Son of God,
00:15:06.84\00:15:08.17
why don't you
throw yourself down?
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Why don't you fall?
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You will not surely... "
00:15:10.94\00:15:13.14
Yvonne: Dash Your foot... ooooh!
00:15:13.17\00:15:16.08
Ivor: Now hold
on... let's go back,
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remember Daniel, right?
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Man who comes into a
kingdom that is not his own...
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crosses the River Euphrates
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as if he's being baptized
into this new experience...
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and his first temptation
in Daniel one is appetite.
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Yvonne: Right.
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:15:31.69\00:15:33.09
Ivor: Jesus comes to earth...
crosses the Jordan for baptism,
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his first temptation in
the wilderness... appetite.
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that's Daniel 1.
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Daniel 2... foot... stone...
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"He will not surely dash
your foot against a stone... "
00:15:45.54\00:15:48.44
paralleling the
second temptation of Christ.
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You will not dash your
foot against a stone...
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well, guess what
happens in Daniel 3?
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Yvonne:
Worship... wow! that's right.
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Ivor: Here's an image,
bow down... and worship.
00:16:00.69\00:16:04.73
Daniel 1... 2... and 3...
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not only tell us of
things to come in the future
00:16:07.23\00:16:12.07
remember, "Hey, God's end-time
message for His people... "
00:16:12.10\00:16:14.74
It not only shows us
what's going to happen
00:16:14.77\00:16:17.17
in Daniel chapter 11,
00:16:17.21\00:16:18.54
it's not only a
practical thing like, "Oh wow!"
00:16:18.57\00:16:21.91
it's also showing
us... think about that...
00:16:21.94\00:16:25.28
Daniel 1... 2... and 3...
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is reflecting the
beginning of Christ's ministry
00:16:27.18\00:16:30.15
and His three
temptations in the wilderness
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which is just mind blowing.
00:16:32.95\00:16:35.49
Yvonne: Wow!
00:16:35.52\00:16:36.86
James: Only God can do that.
00:16:36.89\00:16:38.23
Ivor: Only God can do that...
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this is... this
is divine design.
00:16:39.63\00:16:41.50
Yvonne: It is... it is.
00:16:41.56\00:16:43.87
Ivor: Like, we don't just
throw this together and be like,
00:16:43.90\00:16:46.37
"Oh, oh, this is evidence that
this book is not normal... "
00:16:46.40\00:16:48.90
it's not something
that was written by man...
00:16:48.94\00:16:51.77
just like, "Oh, man
put this together... "
00:16:51.81\00:16:54.58
like... this is Divine design.
00:16:54.64\00:16:57.21
Yvonne: Yes... yes.
00:16:57.25\00:16:58.58
James: I love that...
00:16:58.61\00:16:59.95
and, of course, it's beautiful
to see Christ in all of this...
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to realize that all of
the characters of the Bible
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in some way or
another foreshadowing Christ,
00:17:06.09\00:17:08.56
even through... in
the midst of failure,
00:17:08.62\00:17:11.03
we talked of Daniel
being pretty much blameless
00:17:11.06\00:17:13.19
but you look at
Jonah for example
00:17:13.23\00:17:15.06
and Christ says,
"Well, the... the...
00:17:15.10\00:17:16.93
the one character
of the Old Testament
00:17:16.97\00:17:18.70
probably that you
wouldn't think represents Me...
00:17:18.73\00:17:21.17
I'm going to grab him
and go ahead and show you
00:17:21.20\00:17:23.64
how that even
Jonah represents Me.
00:17:23.67\00:17:25.11
All of these
characters in... at their best
00:17:25.14\00:17:28.64
and even in their failures...
but through that redemption...
00:17:28.68\00:17:32.18
through that redemptive
attitude that they had...
00:17:32.21\00:17:34.38
Jonah being willing to
throw himself into the sea...
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being swallowed by a fish
and down there for three days...
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all of that is depicting Me...
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the best and the
failed is depicting Me. "
00:17:41.76\00:17:44.63
And I've never seen
this in Daniel, really,
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I was going to say
the same thing Jason said
00:17:47.10\00:17:49.10
but I didn't
want to be redundant
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but I want add the idea
00:17:50.50\00:17:53.30
that, you know, I've
been studying the Bible
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especially Daniel and Revelation
00:17:55.70\00:17:57.84
for over 30 years... 34 years...
00:17:57.87\00:17:59.94
and these are new thoughts
and the thing that I think
00:17:59.97\00:18:03.85
it's important
for us to understand
00:18:03.88\00:18:05.61
and our Viewers
to understand is...
00:18:05.65\00:18:07.08
you can't
exhaust the Word of God
00:18:07.12\00:18:08.48
and there's treasure here that
has not been discovered yet,
00:18:08.55\00:18:12.72
there are nuggets of
gold below the surface
00:18:12.75\00:18:15.56
that have not
been discovered yet
00:18:15.59\00:18:16.99
for those of us who
are reading and studying
00:18:17.03\00:18:19.13
but they will be in harmony
with the rest of Scriptures...
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it won't take us off
on a tangent somewhere...
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this makes sense, why?
00:18:23.97\00:18:25.30
Because it's in harmony with the
very experience of Jesus Christ
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and so we're
making those connections.
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Yvonne: Yes, it's beautiful.
00:18:29.14\00:18:31.44
Ivor: So, I think that...
00:18:31.47\00:18:33.78
I mean, there is much
more we can go through
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I believe in Daniel 2...
00:18:36.14\00:18:37.71
as you said, it's
hard to exhaust it
00:18:37.75\00:18:40.02
but I think that we
can actually continue on
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and maybe see if we can
move into Daniel chapter 3
00:18:42.52\00:18:45.69
which actually connects
us with Daniel chapter 2
00:18:45.72\00:18:48.86
so, I mean, let's...
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James: Yeah, we got to finish
out just these last few verses
00:18:50.26\00:18:52.36
here... let's go
to Daniel chapter 2
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verses 46 to 49.
00:18:55.20\00:18:56.67
This is where it
kind of concludes...
00:18:56.70\00:18:59.00
and there are some
good thoughts in here
00:18:59.03\00:19:01.54
so, who'd like to
read those verses for us?
00:19:01.57\00:19:03.64
Jason: I'll read them.
00:19:03.67\00:19:05.17
"Then King
Nebuchadnezzar fell on his face,
00:19:05.21\00:19:07.44
prostrate before Daniel,
00:19:07.48\00:19:09.01
and commanded that they
should present an offering
00:19:09.04\00:19:12.31
and incense to him.
00:19:12.35\00:19:13.68
The king
answered Daniel, and said,
00:19:13.72\00:19:15.88
'Truly your God
is the God of gods,
00:19:15.92\00:19:18.12
the Lord of kings,
00:19:18.15\00:19:19.49
and a revealer of secrets,
00:19:19.52\00:19:21.22
since you could
reveal this secret. '
00:19:21.26\00:19:22.96
Then the king promoted Daniel
and gave him many great gifts;
00:19:23.02\00:19:26.90
and he made him ruler over
the whole province of Babylon,
00:19:26.93\00:19:31.30
and chief administrator over
all the wise men of Babylon.
00:19:31.33\00:19:35.67
Also Daniel petitioned the king,
00:19:35.70\00:19:38.54
and he set Shadrach,
Meshach, and Abednego
00:19:38.57\00:19:41.01
over the affairs of
the province of Babylon;
00:19:41.04\00:19:43.51
but Daniel sat in
the gate of the king. "
00:19:43.55\00:19:45.95
James: Hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:19:45.98\00:19:47.32
James: Now there's a
couple of things here
00:19:47.35\00:19:48.68
that are really significant,
00:19:48.72\00:19:50.05
one of them is...
00:19:50.09\00:19:51.85
is to understand
Nebuchadnezzar's reaction.
00:19:51.89\00:19:55.49
I'm just going
to say it in one way
00:19:55.52\00:19:57.63
because he was
here and whatever,
00:19:57.66\00:19:59.26
it was a really
powerful reaction
00:19:59.29\00:20:00.80
but it was a little
bit of an over-reaction
00:20:00.83\00:20:02.43
you know, he worships Daniel...
00:20:02.46\00:20:03.97
and he says, "Your
God is the God of gods"
00:20:04.00\00:20:05.77
in other words... but
here's what's interesting...
00:20:05.83\00:20:08.50
as we do Daniel
Evangelism... Daniel Seminars...
00:20:08.54\00:20:11.17
we introduce
people to the truth...
00:20:11.24\00:20:13.34
many times they're
just going to go, "Whoa... "
00:20:13.38\00:20:15.78
that first
experience is like, "Whoa... "
00:20:15.81\00:20:18.71
and they're just like all in...
00:20:18.75\00:20:20.82
and... and... and yet we know
00:20:20.85\00:20:22.82
and this is one of the
failures that I think we have
00:20:22.88\00:20:25.29
in doing evangelism...
00:20:25.32\00:20:26.65
we know they're not ready yet...
00:20:26.69\00:20:28.02
we know a lot of people...
00:20:28.06\00:20:29.39
we get them to the place
where they make a commitment...
00:20:29.42\00:20:30.76
they get baptized
and become members...
00:20:30.79\00:20:32.13
and then we kind of
leave them and then we have...
00:20:32.16\00:20:34.30
we leave them in a church
situation where the members
00:20:34.36\00:20:36.46
have high
expectations of these new people
00:20:36.50\00:20:38.47
because they've been baptized
00:20:38.50\00:20:40.37
but truly, they
have not been mentored...
00:20:40.40\00:20:44.04
they've not been discipled...
00:20:44.07\00:20:45.47
they don't have that
family yet, that community yet
00:20:45.51\00:20:49.38
that they really need
00:20:49.41\00:20:50.88
and that's what we
see with Nebuchadnezzar.
00:20:50.91\00:20:52.71
The thing about this though...
00:20:52.75\00:20:54.52
this story... as we
flow into chapter 3...
00:20:54.55\00:20:56.12
it's beautiful... in Chapter 4
00:20:56.18\00:20:57.52
is that God doesn't leave
Nebuchadnezzar without community
00:20:57.55\00:20:59.75
He doesn't leave
him without family...
00:20:59.79\00:21:02.29
he doesn't leave him
without nurture and mentorship,
00:21:02.32\00:21:03.76
Daniel remains there to nurture
and mentor Nebuchadnezzar
00:21:03.79\00:21:08.26
and this should teach
us how to do evangelism.
00:21:08.30\00:21:10.70
Daniel now... it's
amazing to me that Daniel is...
00:21:10.73\00:21:14.77
you got to
understand so, I'm saying...
00:21:14.80\00:21:17.01
maybe he's 15 or 16...
00:21:17.04\00:21:18.37
he's a teenager when
he goes into Babylon...
00:21:18.41\00:21:20.18
this is... this
is 2nd year in...
00:21:20.21\00:21:22.78
probably after he's tested
00:21:22.81\00:21:25.51
so, there may be a little
bit of time that goes on here
00:21:25.55\00:21:28.08
but Daniel is like,
number one ruler in the province
00:21:28.12\00:21:30.59
I mean, he's
probably 19 or 20 at the most,
00:21:30.62\00:21:32.45
you know what I'm saying?
00:21:32.49\00:21:33.82
He's Number 1
ruler in the province
00:21:33.86\00:21:35.19
and he's given...
00:21:35.22\00:21:37.46
made chief of the governors
of all the wise men of Babylon,
00:21:37.49\00:21:40.10
he's been given many gifts,
00:21:40.13\00:21:41.76
you know, he had nice cars...
00:21:41.80\00:21:43.43
a nice place to live, you know,
00:21:43.47\00:21:44.97
all different
cars that he needed...
00:21:45.00\00:21:46.74
and, what does he do?
00:21:46.77\00:21:48.44
What does Daniel do?
00:21:48.47\00:21:50.07
When all this
stuff comes to Daniel...
00:21:50.11\00:21:51.81
does it go to his head?
00:21:51.84\00:21:53.21
Does he say,
"Okay, I'm the guy... "
00:21:53.24\00:21:55.21
Yvonne: He brings his crew in.
00:21:55.24\00:21:57.11
James: He brings his crew
in, he brings his community in.
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He's like, "I've got
to have them in here,
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that's more important to me
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than all the
stuff you've given me...
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I need these guys with me... "
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and I think it's
really interesting
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when we get
into the next chapter
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how that Satan tries to
separate Daniel's crew from him.
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There's a divide
that takes place here,
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now, there's a lot
of different theories
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as to how that takes
place and we'll talk about that
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when we get into Daniel 3
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but we know in Daniel chapter 3,
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Daniel is not really in
the scene... it's the three...
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it's his three friends
that were in the scene,
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but I think behind the
scenes what's happening is
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Satan is realizing that
Daniel needs this community...
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Daniel needs this
support, you know,
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he goes for it right away...
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he asks for it
after he's done...
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"I want my guys with me... "
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and so, Satan's
going to try to divide,
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he's going to try to
divide so he can conquer
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and that's the same
thing he's doing with us
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you see, he
comes in to ministry...
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he comes in to church...
he comes in to community...
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and he tries to
separate and divide us all...
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he tried to do it
with the disciples too
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and it was interesting how
Jesus dealt with the disciples
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because they had the evidence.
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Let me put it this
way... let me re-phrase that...
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Jesus had the
evidence against Judas,
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He knew what Judas was
about... but He let him stay.
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He let him stay and try
to work through his issues,
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Now, Judas wasn't willing
to work through his issues,
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but he still let him stay and
try to work through his issues
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and to me, this is
what we're seeing here
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as Nebuchadnezzar
works through his issues
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and God stays with him as
he works through his issues
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and we'll talk
about that in chapter 4,
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the band
remains around the tree,
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you see what I'm
saying? Yvonne: Yes.
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James: As God stays with him
when he works through his issues
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Nebuchadnezzar comes out...
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Belshazzar doesn't come out
but Nebuchadnezzar comes out.
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He gets free of all that stuff.
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Ivor: You know
what's interesting, James,
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as we're going through this,
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I'm noticing this
theme, right, like,
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it's like there's this good
side of Daniel 1, 2, 3 and 4
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where God is showing
mercy and grace and...
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to the king of Babylon
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and then, there's the
other side where God is showing,
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"Look, this is the wicked...
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the wickedness that Babylon
is going to do in the future. "
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So, He's addressing two
issues at the same time.
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Yvonne: Yes, yes.
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Ivor: He's addressing mercy and
reaching out to those in Babylon
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and, you know, "Hey,
I'm with Nebuchadnezzar"
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but Nebuchadnezzar
is the king of Babylon
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who himself is a type of
just the ultimate wickedness.
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Yvonne: Yes.
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Ivor: So, he's using a figure...
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a person who is the
symbol of ultimate wickedness
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and showing him
mercy... showing him grace...
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"I'm going to put a
band around the tree
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and to try to help you
to get this together... "
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while at the same
time, He is showing,
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"Look, at the end of time,
this is what spiritual Babylon
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is going to do
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and they are
beyond redemption...
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this power is
beyond redemption... "
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so, I just think
that's a really powerful...
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you know, "How do You do that...
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how do You... God, how
do You accomplish that?
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you know, both of those things
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in the stories
that we're reading. "
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This is amazing.
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Yvonne: Yes, one thing
that I find interesting is...
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okay, so you
alluded to it earlier
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that Daniel was really young...
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he got promoted over all
the others in that kingdom,
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so, he's like the rookie...
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and he comes in
and he's over them
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but not only is he over them,
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he's over astrologers
which they're forbidden...
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we're forbidden to deal with...
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to go to... to
seek counsel from...
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but he is overseeing all
of them which to me says,
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if you're in a Corporate
situation... and you are...
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and you have a
job that... that...
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where you can witness to people
who don't believe as you do,
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you use that as an opportunity
because that's what...
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that's what Daniel did...
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he was... he was
over the astrologers...
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the magicians...
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James: Yeah, he
didn't say "No" to them...
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he didn't say, "No, I'm
sorry, I can't do this. "
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Yvonne: Right, he...
he oversaw all of that...
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and he continued to
serve God, he continued to pray
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and we'll see that later...
he prayed three times a day...
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he continued to do
everything that he knew to do
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but he was in a position
where he was overseeing people
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whose beliefs were
totally different from his.
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James: There's
another thought here
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that I'd like to...
to close out with...
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we're almost out
of time and that is,
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it was always God's purpose
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to have His people be
the head and not the tail.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:26:19.77\00:26:21.11
James: It was always God's
purpose... He promised them,
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"You're going
to rule the nations
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and they're going to come to you
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you're going to teach them
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and they're going
to come to you... "
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but God's people
weren't faithful,
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but Daniel was.
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James: And it just needs...
we need to remember that
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God's promises of
fulfillment are not based upon
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what other people do...
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even when other people fail us,
00:26:38.03\00:26:40.23
God's promises can
still be fulfilled to us
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if we're faithful to Him.
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So, we ourselves...
personally and individually
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don't need to point
to other people and say,
00:26:46.77\00:26:48.94
"Well, if they would do
this and they would do this...
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and our church would do this...
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then maybe my
life would be better. "
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It's not about
our life being better,
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it's about trusting God
and being faithful to God
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and then, God can fulfill in us
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the promises He's
given to the Corporate.
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He can fulfill
in us individually
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and this is what
the life of Daniel says
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where it speaks to us, you know,
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not just that God is going to do
great things for us necessarily
00:27:08.96\00:27:12.03
because we already
talked about being a eunuch
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now, you know
what a trial that was,
00:27:13.86\00:27:15.86
but rather that
God's faithful to us
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and that He will
fulfill His promises to us...
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and we can be...
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we can have
everything that He's promised us
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even though
other people may fail.
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Yvonne: Yes, we can trust Him...
James: We can trust Him...
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: Praise the Lord.
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So, we're going to
move into Daniel chapter 3
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in our next session, we're...
we're finishing Daniel 2
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we're going to
see the connection
00:27:34.15\00:27:35.48
between Daniel 2 and Daniel 3.
00:27:35.52\00:27:36.85
It's a very important connection
00:27:36.89\00:27:38.22
especially at this level
that we're talking about,
00:27:38.25\00:27:39.92
with the head and the heart...
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the whole
breakdown of the image...
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we're going to see
how that whole breakdown
00:27:44.29\00:27:45.86
kind of moves us
through right here...
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the rest of the
story of Nebuchadnezzar,
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it's a beautiful
story so praise God.
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Yvonne: Amen.
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James: All right,
looking forward to that.
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Yvonne: We are too.
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