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James: All right, we have jumped
in to the Daniel 2 prophecy,
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we've got the
first part of this,
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the introduction
and the first part
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which is where Daniel
gives the king his dream.
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The king gets his dream
back and it's amazing really
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because that prepares the king
to receive the interpretation.
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Nebuchadnezzar hasn't
been impressed so far.
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In fact, he has been
unimpressed by his wise men
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and he needed his heart
to be prepared to receive
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what God was showing him
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and so, God set
this up perfectly
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so that Daniel will end up
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having a little bit of change
in his pocket with the king.
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Ivor: And that's
a good sermon title:
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The King Gets His Dream Back.
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Yvonne: Oh, nice...
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James: I felt that when
I was thinking about it.
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Laughter
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Yvonne: That's
good, that's good.
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James: That's good, I like that.
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Jason: I wonder who is
going to write it first.
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All: Laughter.
Yvonne: That's good.
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James: Jason have a prayer
for us and we'll step into this.
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Jason: Sure...
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"Dear Heavenly
Father, we thank You so much
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for the opportunity to
study Your Word once again
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as we continue to go
on in the book of Daniel,
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we just ask that you
would help us to internalize
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what we're learning
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and to live out the positive
qualities that we're finding
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and attributes
that we're finding
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in this story in our lives,
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please guide this conversation,
in Jesus' name we pray, amen. "
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All: Amen.
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James: So, we left
off in verse 34... 5...
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and we'll pick up in verse 36
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and maybe Jason, you
can start reading for us,
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read about five or six verses
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and then, Yvonne, maybe
you can read of it for us.
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Jason: Okay, starting in
verse 36 of Daniel chapter 2.
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James: Yes.
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Jason: "This is the dream.
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Now we will tell
the interpretation of it
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before the King.
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'You, O king,
are a king of kings.
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For the God of heaven
has given you a kingdom,
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power, strength, and glory;
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and wherever the
children of men dwell,
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or the beasts of the field
and the birds of the heaven,
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He has given
them into your hand,
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and has made you
ruler over them all...
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you are this head of gold.
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But after you shall
arise another kingdom
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inferior to yours; then another,
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a third kingdom of bronze,
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which shall rule
over all the earth.
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And the fourth kingdom
shall be as strong as iron,
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inasmuch as iron breaks in
pieces and shatters everything;
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and like iron that crushes,
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that kingdom
will break in pieces
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and crush all the others. '"
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: And just...
Yvonne, if you can just...
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Yvonne, you can just
read verses 41 to 45.
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Yvonne: Sure...
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"Whereas you saw
the feet and toes,
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partly of potter's
clay and partly of iron,
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the kingdom shall be divided;
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yet the strength of
the iron shall be in it,
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just as you saw the
iron mixed with ceramic clay.
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And as the toes of the
feet were partly of iron
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and partly of clay,
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so the kingdom shall be partly
strong and partly fragile.
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As you saw iron
mixed with ceramic clay,
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they will mingle
with the seed of men;
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but they will not
adhere to one another,
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just as iron does
not mix with clay.
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And in the days of these kings
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the God of heaven
will set up a kingdom
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which shall never be destroyed;
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and the kingdom shall
not be left to other people;
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it shall break in pieces
and consume all these kingdoms,
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and it shall stand forever.
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Inasmuch as you saw
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that the stone was cut out
of the mountain without hands,
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and that it broke in pieces
the iron, the bronze, the clay,
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the silver, and the gold...
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the great God has
made known to the king
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what will come
to pass after this.
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The dream is certain,
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and its
interpretation is sure. "
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James: Wow! the dream is certain
and its interpretation is sure.
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Yvonne: Yes.
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James: Daniel, I feel like...
Daniel was gaining strength
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and gaining
boldness and gaining courage
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as he was giving
this interpretation.
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He himself was ministered
to by this interpretation
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and that's what it is, I think,
for us more in ministry...
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we are ministered to by God
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as we minister to others,
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God ministers to us...
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I feel... it feels Daniel
getting stronger and stronger
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here as he reveals this.
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All: Yes.
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Ivor: Um, I want to share
an example of what Daniel 2...
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the significance of Daniel 2.
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What it means to us today...
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what it means to...
to the person who says,
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"I don't believe in God... "
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so just imagine, you're
meeting me for the first time,
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and I'm like,
"Hey, my name is Ivor,
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and hey, I want you to
trust me with your future...
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everything you
have... trust me... "
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and you don't know me.
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Yvonne: Laughing...
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Ivor: You're looking at
me like, "Are you crazy,
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I don't know you,
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why are you
even talking to me. "
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and I'm like,
"No, listen, really,
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I need you to
trust everything I say
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from now on... everything... "
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and you're getting ready to walk
away, like, "This guy is crazy"
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and I'm like, "No, wait, hold...
hold... hold... listen...
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I'm going to tell you 50 things
that are going to happen to you
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over the next three months. "
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And, now you're
looking at me like,
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"You are really crazy!"
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Right... and you...
for some reason you stop
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and you're like, "I'm...
I'm going to listen to you...
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I'm just going to
hear what you have to say
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for these... these
next few moments... "
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and I begin to
list out 50 things
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that are going
to happen to you...
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let's make it over
the next two weeks...
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50 things...
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beginning with, "When
you walk away from here
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the first thing
that's going to happen is...
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you're going to see
a dog... a black dog...
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that black dog is
going to bark five times. "
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: "After the
black dog barks five times,
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then, it's going
to start raining,
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it's only going to
rain though for two minutes,
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once it stops raining
after those two minutes,
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you're going to see five
black SUVs driving past... "
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and I'm just going down the list
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and you're looking at me like,
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"This guy is
absolutely insane. "
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James: Pretty
much. Yvonne: Right.
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Ivor: The 50th thing I tell you
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is like, the
most... that could never...
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that could not
possibly happen, right?
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So, you're like,
"You're crazy... "
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and you walk away and
as you're walking away,
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you see a black dog
that barks five times.
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Yvonne: Oh...
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Ivor: You're
like, "Hmmm... yeah...
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this guy has just set this up...
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he probably has
someone around the corner... "
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James: Probably his dog...
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All: Laughter...
James: Pipe dream.
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Ivor: So, thing
number 1 happens...
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thing number 2 happens...
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it starts to rain... two minutes
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and then it stops...
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and thing number
3... thing number 4...
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thing number 5... now...
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by thing number 5...
what are you thinking?
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
"This can't be... "
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Ivor: Maybe this is a
scam... maybe this is...
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let's say you get
to thing number 20,
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where are you at right
now with thing number 20?
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Yvonne: This is amazing...
this guy is on to something.
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Ivor: So, are you going to trust
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that if thing
number 20 comes to pass,
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right, that... do
you think you would be
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probably a 100% sure
that everything else I said
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that was going to happen from
then on... was going to happen?
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Yvonne: Yes...
after thing number 20...
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Jason: I'd be leaning that
way. Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: Yeah, if
for some reason...
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"No you got to
show me 30 things. "
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Right? But let's say it took
you 49 things to be convinced,
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right? will the 50th...
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if 49 things came to
pass just as I said it would,
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would you pretty
much say, "Yeah...
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as outlandish as
this thing 50 seems...
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I pretty much believe
it's going to happen. "
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James: You got me with
the "rain for two minutes. "
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Ivor: Yeah, you
know what I'm saying?
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James: Just like...
dog... I don't know...
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but rain... for
two minutes... wow!
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Ivor: And this is what God does.
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This is what He's
doing in Daniel 2.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... James: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Because see,
Daniel... the vision in Daniel 2
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ends with something really,
really, really outlandish.
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James: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Right? This stone
that is cut out without hands
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and we're just going to
kind of jump ahead a little
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and we'll go back
into detail on this show
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but this stone
cut out without hands
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represents the second
coming of Jesus Christ.
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A man...
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you'll say, "Hold
on... one second...
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you're telling me
that a man is going to come
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from outer space to this
planet and destroy this world?"
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James: Hmmm...
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Ivor: "That's
what I'm telling you. "
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Ivor: Who would believe
that? James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: So, what
does God do? He says,
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"Okay, so, let me share
with you '50 things' right?
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49 things that are
going to take place
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because I know how
difficult it is going to be
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for you to believe
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that a man will actually come
out of the sky to this earth. "
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: And that's what happens
in Daniel chapter... chapter 2.
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Right? Everything he's telling
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leads up to... in
chronological order
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up to this event
that most people are like,
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"Yeah... nah...
that's a fairy tale...
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that can't...
possibly couldn't happen. "
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Right?
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Now, let me share
something else with you.
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This stone that is
cut out without hands
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that hits the
image on its feet...
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that indicates to us that
whatever this image represents,
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and if this stone is in fact
the second coming of Christ,
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then, there is
something that occurs within...
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you see that image
there in front of us,
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there's something that
occurs within... not the head...
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the stone doesn't hit the head.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: The stone doesn't
hit the chest and arms...
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it doesn't hit the
belly and thighs...
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the stone goes after the feet.
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So, something happens within
the feet of iron and clay,
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that is so significant
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that it brings about the
second coming of Jesus Christ.
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All: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Does that make
sense? Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: Something
occurs... in other words...
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our goal is,
why does He smite...
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why is the image
smitten on its feet?
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James: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Okay? now I'm going
to just pause here in Daniel 2
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for a second... and let's
go over to Daniel chapter 12
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because I want you
to see something here,
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this same event of this
stone being cut out without...
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I mean, cut out without hands
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and smiting the
image on the feet,
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is actually amplified in
Daniel chapter 12 verse 1...
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Verse 1 and 2...
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so, Yvonne could
you read that for us,
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Daniel 12, verses 1 and 2.
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Yvonne: "At that time
Michael shall stand up,
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the great
prince who stands watch
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over the sons of your people;
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and there shall
be a time of trouble,
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such as never was
since there was a nation,
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even to that time.
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And at that time your
people shall be delivered,
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everyone who is
found written in the book.
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And many of those who
sleep in the dust of the earth
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shall awake, some
to everlasting life,
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some to shame and
everlasting contempt. "
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Ivor: So, what we see here
is, Daniel 12 verse 1 and 2
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is... is an amplification
of Daniel 2 verse 45.
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James: Hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: This stone that
is cut out without hands
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that smites the
image on the feet
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is the same event
as Michael standing up
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to deliver His people
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and the dead
being brought to life.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: In Daniel 2,
we're not really told...
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we don't have a
lot of information
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as to what is
happening within these...
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within the feet of iron and clay
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that leads to Michael
standing up in Daniel 12.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: And this is
why, understanding Daniel 7
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which gives us a
little more insight into...
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Daniel 7 is an amplification
if you will... of Daniel 2.
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James: With extra time
spent on the latter part
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of the prophecy.
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Ivor: Exactly... exactly.
00:11:45.33\00:11:46.67
James: At the bottom
part of this prophecy.
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Ivor: Exactly...
Daniel 7 now says, "Hey...
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in case you want to know
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what was going on within
the feet of iron and clay,
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we're going to give this to you
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using different symbols
but now you're going to see
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this Little Horn Power
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that comes up
among these ten horns
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that is doing
something... " and you're like,
00:12:02.95\00:12:05.82
"Ah... is this part of the
reason why Michael stands up?"
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James: And one of the
things Daniel asks is,
00:12:10.19\00:12:12.36
"I want to know more
about that little horn power. "
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God prompts him
to ask that question.
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Ivor: That's right, Daniel
8 gives us more information,
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Daniel 9 gives
us more information,
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Daniel 11 gives us the
most detailed information
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and let me show
you this specifically,
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so, let's go back to Daniel 11
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because remember Daniel
12:1 begins, "At that time... "
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James: "At that time... "
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Ivor: "At that time... "
right? So what time is that?
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So, if you go back to Daniel 11
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and look at verse 40,
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verse 40 says, "And
at that time of the end
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shall the king of
the south push at him:
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and the king of the
north shall come against him
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like a whirlwind, with chariots,
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and with horsemen,
and with many ships;
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and he shall enter
into the countries,
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and shall
overflow and pass over.
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He shall also enter
into the glorious land... "
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hey, pause for a second...
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"He shall enter into
the glorious land... "
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the king of the north...
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hey, haven't we
read about that before?
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Yvonne: We did.
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Ivor: Didn't we learn
that... I mean... we know that
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this is a different king
of the north at this time
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because this is at
the time of the end...
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James: It isn't Babylon anymore,
at least, not literal Babylon.
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Ivor: That's right,
not literal Babylon...
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but in... in our
earlier studies on Daniel,
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we remember we
talked about the whole idea
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of Babylon being the king
of the north... Daniel 1...
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Egypt... and how
he gets rid of Egypt
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who happened to
be king of the south
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and once he got rid of Egypt,
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he was then able
to turn his attention
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to the glorious
land... to Jerusalem.
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And so, hey, this seems to be
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like, connected with the
history of literal Babylon
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and literal Egypt, right?
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But nonetheless,
Daniel 11 verse 40
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all the way down to verse 45
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is basically covering events
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that lead up to
Michael standing up.
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James: That's
right. Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: So, Daniel
11:40 to 45 correspond
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with events that happen
in the toes of Daniel 2.
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James: Yup. Ivor: Right?
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So, Daniel 2
says, "Hey, guess what?
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a man is coming out the sky
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that's going to
destroy this image.
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It doesn't tell us why
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but as we read through the
rest of the book of Daniel,
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by the time we get to Daniel 12,
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we're like, "We now
know why Michael stands up. "
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Right? So, that's
we're trying to do,
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we're trying to
kind of figure out
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what happens within the
toes and the clay of iron...
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toes of... the
toes of clay and iron...
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what happens
within that time period
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that leads to this
stone smiting the image
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not on the head... not
on the chest and arms...
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but on the feet, right?
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So, that kind of
sets the foundation
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for us going into the
understanding of this prophecy,
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so, now let's go back to
Daniel 2, James, go ahead.
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James: Just want to share
a quick thought here, Ivor,
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as you're
getting back to Daniel 2,
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you said something
earlier that was really profound
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and it's found in
Isaiah 48 and verses 3 and 4,
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and this is what you said,
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you were talking about
the analogy of the 50 things
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which, by the way, I believe
that God has almost done that,
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when you look at Daniel 2...
7... 8... 11... Revelation...
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you just got... God
is just doing this...
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He's just showing us 50 things,
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so, that by the time
we get to Revelation,
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we're like, "Okay, I
believe God now, I believe...
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this guy is crazy... I
thought he was a lunatic...
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but I believe God now. "
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Ivor: Yeah. Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: You know, and
this is what Isaiah 48
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is talking about too...
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Isaiah 48 and let's read...
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Jason, if you can read for
us Isaiah 48 verses 3 and 4,
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verses 3 and 4 and
then we'll talk about those.
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Ivor: Okay,
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"I have declared the former
things from the beginning;
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they went forth from My mouth,
and I caused them to hear it.
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Suddenly I did them,
and they came to pass.
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Because I knew
that you were obstinate,
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and your neck was an iron sinew,
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and your brow bronze... "
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James: Okay, so,
God is saying here,
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I'm just going
to summarize this...
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Prophecy...
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"I declare things
before they happen
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and I bring them to pass. "
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Why? "Because
you're hard hearted...
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because you're
hard to convince...
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because your
brow is like brass...
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because you're just hard
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and so, that's
why I use prophecy...
00:16:03.96\00:16:05.83
that's why I share
these things ahead of...
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you're not going to
believe Me if I tell you this...
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I'm just going to say...
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you're going to go, 'He's crazy'
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so, I'm going to
tell you a bunch of events
00:16:11.90\00:16:13.23
ahead of time...
before they happen...
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so that you can... so
that I can gain credibility"
00:16:14.64\00:16:16.27
that's the point you're making.
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Ivor: Absolutely.
00:16:17.67\00:16:19.01
James: I love
that... and Nebuchadnezzar...
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credibility is built
with him right there...
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credibility is built...
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now it doesn't mean
He has his heart yet,
00:16:24.61\00:16:25.95
we talked about that
but credibility is built.
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Ivor: Yeah, and I think for
like the skeptic of the Bible,
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the Atheist...
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you know, the person who's
like, "I doubt religion... "
00:16:30.99\00:16:33.05
I think part of
the reason that...
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I'm going to say something
that might sound shocking, okay,
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but if it were not for the
books of Daniel and Revelation,
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I don't know if I
would be a Christian
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and let me explain
what I mean about that.
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James: I can
totally relate to that.
00:16:51.41\00:16:52.97
Ivor: When I grew up with
00:16:53.01\00:16:54.34
hearing different
religions here and there...
00:16:54.38\00:16:56.18
as a skeptic...
I was always like,
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"What is the difference between
being good in your religion
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and being good as a Buddhist?"
00:17:02.35\00:17:03.69
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:17:03.72\00:17:05.05
Ivor: You know,
Buddhists say, "Be good. "
00:17:05.09\00:17:06.42
Yvonne: Right.
00:17:06.45\00:17:07.79
Ivor: Right? "You know,
this religion... that religion,
00:17:07.82\00:17:09.46
they all say, 'Be good'
00:17:09.49\00:17:10.83
so, why should I
believe in Christianity
00:17:10.86\00:17:12.76
over your religion. " Right?
00:17:12.79\00:17:15.03
"And then even
within Christianity itself,
00:17:15.06\00:17:17.37
you got all these
different denominations,
00:17:17.40\00:17:19.33
why should I choose
yours over someone else's?"
00:17:19.40\00:17:21.97
Right? So, if
someone came to me and said,
00:17:22.00\00:17:23.94
"My life was changed... "
00:17:24.01\00:17:25.34
I'd be like, "Look,
Malcolm X's life was changed...
00:17:25.37\00:17:29.51
so, why not
follow Allah?" Right?
00:17:29.54\00:17:34.02
I can point to people
from every different persuasion
00:17:34.05\00:17:37.59
whose 'lives were changed... '"
00:17:37.62\00:17:39.65
and I'm not saying
that as a bad thing,
00:17:39.69\00:17:41.02
I'm just saying,
00:17:41.06\00:17:42.39
"If you're using,
'my life was changed'
00:17:42.42\00:17:44.33
as evidence for me
to believe in your God,
00:17:44.36\00:17:46.36
you're not getting me on that. "
00:17:46.39\00:17:49.33
Right, and so, the only thing...
stubborn head... hard hearted...
00:17:49.36\00:17:54.17
right? Skeptic...
00:17:54.20\00:17:55.54
"Yeah, the Bible is probably
just a book of fables... "
00:17:55.57\00:17:59.44
prophecy shuts
that down, prophecy...
00:17:59.47\00:18:02.58
James: Big time.
00:18:02.61\00:18:04.58
Ivor: Yeah,
Nebuchadnezzar the skeptic is...
00:18:04.61\00:18:08.28
is "almost
converted" in one chapter...
00:18:08.32\00:18:10.02
from one Daniel Seminar.
00:18:10.05\00:18:12.15
All: Hmmm...
00:18:12.19\00:18:13.56
James: He's actually
converted, he's going "Oh wow!"
00:18:13.59\00:18:16.56
Ivor: He's
intellectually converted...
00:18:16.59\00:18:18.59
and so, that is the power of...
00:18:18.63\00:18:20.50
of the book of Daniel and...
00:18:20.53\00:18:22.33
and again, it's not that the
books of Daniel and Revelation
00:18:22.36\00:18:24.37
are better than the
other books of the Bible
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but it was what works for...
00:18:26.13\00:18:28.34
what worked for a
skeptic of the Bible
00:18:28.37\00:18:30.34
who was not going to be...
00:18:30.37\00:18:31.81
who's like, "Yeah, be nice...
that doesn't work with me...
00:18:31.87\00:18:35.18
you know, I can be
nice without God. "
00:18:35.24\00:18:38.41
Right, so... so
let's go back to Daniel 2.
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James: So, one other thought...
I'll just jump in with you,
00:18:41.62\00:18:43.52
so, that's why
God takes the pains
00:18:43.55\00:18:47.59
to make the last book
that He writes in the Bible...
00:18:47.62\00:18:50.03
the book of
Revelation... a prophetic book.
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It's not because He
wants to confuse us...
00:18:52.36\00:18:54.56
it's not because He wants
to mask things in mysteries...
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it's because He
wants to reach us.
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God is using everything
He can to reach the skeptic
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so, He uses prophecy...
00:19:00.07\00:19:01.40
that's His last... like the ace
in the hole of His prophecy...
00:19:01.44\00:19:04.11
Ivor: Yeah, and so,
this is... this is kind of...
00:19:04.14\00:19:08.01
this is amazing
00:19:08.04\00:19:09.64
because Satan will
even try to attack prophecy.
00:19:09.68\00:19:12.08
James: Oh yeah.
00:19:12.11\00:19:13.45
Ivor: So, think about this
prophecy we're looking at, right
00:19:13.48\00:19:16.85
we're about to look at
this prophecy of Daniel
00:19:16.89\00:19:18.82
with this...
this dream of these...
00:19:18.85\00:19:22.76
this image of a man
00:19:22.79\00:19:24.13
and you may not know this
00:19:24.16\00:19:27.20
but there are
skeptics of the book of Daniel
00:19:27.23\00:19:28.86
who... who say that the
book of Daniel was written
00:19:28.90\00:19:32.60
in the first century B.C.
00:19:32.63\00:19:34.37
not in 600... not
500 years earlier...
00:19:34.40\00:19:40.21
"There is no way that this
book could have been written
00:19:40.24\00:19:44.01
600 years before Christ because
it would prove us wrong. "
00:19:44.05\00:19:47.78
So, they try to make...
say that the book was written
00:19:47.82\00:19:50.69
in the first century B.C.
00:19:50.72\00:19:52.05
so, what I like to say is,
00:19:52.09\00:19:53.42
"Okay, I'll give you
the first century B.C.
00:19:53.46\00:19:55.82
I'm not giving it to
you, but I'm just saying,
00:19:55.86\00:19:58.33
'Let's take that... '
00:19:58.36\00:19:59.69
let's just take the
first century, right?
00:19:59.73\00:20:01.50
And let's go ahead and let's
look at what this prophecy means
00:20:01.53\00:20:04.77
and we'll kind of build
and look at this theme of...
00:20:04.80\00:20:07.67
of the time of this
prophecy... " so, as we read,
00:20:07.70\00:20:11.54
Daniel 2 verse
37, the Bible says,
00:20:11.57\00:20:14.58
"This is the dream... "
verse 36, "this is the dream...
00:20:14.61\00:20:17.71
we will tell the interpretation
thereof before the king,
00:20:17.75\00:20:20.78
'Thou, O king,
art a king of kings...
00:20:20.82\00:20:22.98
the God of heaven has
given thee a kingdom, power,
00:20:23.02\00:20:25.89
and strength and glory
00:20:25.92\00:20:27.26
and wheresoever the
children of men dwell,
00:20:27.29\00:20:29.66
the beasts of the field
and the fowls of the heaven
00:20:29.72\00:20:31.63
has He given into thine hand,
00:20:31.66\00:20:33.06
and He has made
thee ruler over them all.
00:20:33.09\00:20:35.33
Thou art this head of gold. '"
00:20:35.36\00:20:36.90
Now, this is very interesting,
00:20:36.93\00:20:38.43
I'm going to kind of
divert just for a moment,
00:20:38.47\00:20:40.97
Nebuchadnezzar is
given a title again.
00:20:41.00\00:20:45.31
What title is he given?
00:20:45.37\00:20:46.94
"Thou, O king,
art a king of kings:
00:20:46.98\00:20:50.51
for the God of heaven
has given thee a kingdom,
00:20:50.55\00:20:53.28
power, and strength, and glory.
00:20:53.31\00:20:55.82
And wheresoever the
children of men dwell,
00:20:55.85\00:20:59.79
the beasts of the field
and the fowls of the heaven
00:20:59.82\00:21:02.52
has he given into thine hand,
00:21:02.56\00:21:04.26
and has made thee
ruler over them all.
00:21:04.29\00:21:06.49
Thou art this head of gold. "
00:21:06.53\00:21:09.16
So, I want you to
notice something here.
00:21:09.20\00:21:11.60
All: Hmmm...
00:21:11.63\00:21:12.97
Ivor: Now, we know this
title belongs to... who?
00:21:13.00\00:21:14.80
It belongs to Jesus... but here
you have the king of Babylon
00:21:14.84\00:21:18.81
being identified
as a "king of kings. "
00:21:18.84\00:21:22.51
All: Hmmm...
00:21:22.54\00:21:23.88
Ivor: Remember we
also identified him
00:21:23.91\00:21:25.25
as king of kings from the...
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Yvonne: North.
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Ivor: From the north, right?
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so, Nebuchadnezzar
is a king of kings
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from the north... meaning
he is the king of the north
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and notice that the Bible
says, he is this head of gold.
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All: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: So that...
"He's this head of gold"
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it's a dual application...
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it's talking about
Nebuchadnezzar himself,
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"You're the head of gold"
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but it's also
talking about his kingdom...
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so, Babylon is
identified as the gold.
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This king of the north
is identified as the gold
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and James, we're
going to remember that
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when we get to Daniel 3.
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All: Hmmm...
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Laughter...
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Ivor: And so, what do
you have happening here?
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Daniel tells Nebuchadnezzar,
"Your kingdom is the...
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is the head of
gold but then he says,
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"After your kingdom,
00:22:12.69\00:22:14.23
there is going to
arise another kingdom. "
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He is basically saying,
"Your kingdom is going to fall
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to a kingdom
inferior to yours. "
00:22:19.30\00:22:21.24
Yvonne: Right.
00:22:21.27\00:22:22.60
Ivor: So, as we look at history,
00:22:22.64\00:22:23.97
we know that Babylon ruled
from about 605 B.C. to 539 B.C.
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and Daniel is writing in
the time of this kingdom.
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Right? And so, the
skeptic can look and say,
00:22:32.11\00:22:35.72
"Well, either
Daniel wrote this prophecy
00:22:35.75\00:22:38.45
in the time of this
kingdom or better yet,
00:22:38.49\00:22:41.09
since this prophecy was written
in the first century B.C.,
00:22:41.12\00:22:43.63
whoever is writing this
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is just writing about
history in the past. "
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Right? So, we accept
that the book of Daniel
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was written 600
years before Christ,
00:22:49.93\00:22:51.73
so, for us, it's like,
00:22:51.77\00:22:53.10
"Hey, how do you know
that this major kingdom
00:22:53.13\00:22:55.27
was going to fall? I
mean that's pretty powerful. "
00:22:55.30\00:22:57.61
Okay, but the skeptic is like,
00:22:57.64\00:22:59.51
"Yaah... no... I mean,
that was written in the past. "
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Okay, well, let's
move on because he says
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that another kingdom would arise
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and that would be the kingdom
of the Medes and the Persians
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and we find that
in Daniel chapter 5,
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where the writing on the wall...
"Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin"
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your kingdom is
numbered and divided...
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is given to the
Medes and the Persians.
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So, we know that the Medes and
the Persians overthrew Babylon.
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Now, they ruled
from 339 B.C. to... 3...
00:23:23.37\00:23:28.30
I'm sorry...
539 B.C. to 331 B.C.
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okay, so, now,
we're talking about,
00:23:31.91\00:23:35.41
"How does Daniel know, right?
00:23:35.44\00:23:37.65
that this kingdom
would come on the scene
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and then itself be
overthrown by a third kingdom
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which is the Grecian Empire? "
00:23:43.18\00:23:44.92
We find Greece being
mentioned in Daniel chapter 8
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as the kingdom that overthrew
the Medes and the Persians.
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Greece rules from
331 B.C. to 168 B.C.
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Okay, now, for us who believe
that the book was written
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when it was written,
whoa! how is Daniel...
00:24:03.00\00:24:07.01
how did he just
accurately predict
00:24:07.04\00:24:10.11
over 500 years of
history in advance?
00:24:10.15\00:24:12.58
Yvonne: Right.
00:24:12.61\00:24:13.98
Ivor: You don't find that in any
other holy book on the planet.
00:24:14.02\00:24:18.72
You don't find that anywhere.
00:24:18.75\00:24:21.12
Yvonne: So, they are no
prophecies in like the Koran or.
00:24:21.16\00:24:24.56
Ivor: So, the Koran
has two time prophecies.
00:24:24.59\00:24:28.10
The longest
prophecy is 46 years.
00:24:28.16\00:24:29.86
James: Hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:24:29.90\00:24:31.57
Ivor: And so, the skeptic is
going to look at that and say,
00:24:31.60\00:24:34.24
"Yeah, whoever wrote this
was writing either history past
00:24:34.30\00:24:36.60
or what have you. "
00:24:36.64\00:24:37.97
But as far as
prophecy on this level...
00:24:38.01\00:24:40.48
no other book contains it.
00:24:40.51\00:24:41.84
James: So the wise men
were right, when they said,
00:24:41.88\00:24:44.01
"It's a rare thing
that the king requires,
00:24:44.05\00:24:45.95
and there is none other that
can show it before the king,
00:24:45.98\00:24:47.82
except the gods whose
dwelling is not with men. "
00:24:47.85\00:24:49.65
Ivor: That's
right... absolutely.
00:24:49.68\00:24:51.02
James: There's no other
place you can find this.
00:24:51.05\00:24:52.49
Ivor: There is no
other place you can find this
00:24:52.52\00:24:55.09
and this prophecy is
the most elementary prophecy
00:24:55.12\00:24:57.66
of Daniel and Revelation.
00:24:57.69\00:24:59.29
This is the "kid stuff. "
00:24:59.33\00:25:00.80
Right... this is
just God showing,
00:25:00.86\00:25:03.23
"Let me just give
you a little taste... "
00:25:03.26\00:25:04.90
Yvonne: This is prophecy
101. Ivor: This is prophecy 101.
00:25:04.93\00:25:08.37
Right? So, here you have
Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece...
00:25:08.40\00:25:11.81
now, the skeptic says
that the book was written
00:25:11.84\00:25:15.38
in the 1st century B.C.
00:25:15.41\00:25:17.05
so, they're like,
"Well, whoever wrote this
00:25:17.08\00:25:19.11
knew that Rome was on the
verge of overthrowing Greece
00:25:19.15\00:25:22.78
because Rome is
that fourth kingdom. "
00:25:22.82\00:25:24.59
All: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:25:24.62\00:25:25.95
Ivor: Okay, Rome ruled
from 168 B.C. to 476 A.D.
00:25:25.99\00:25:34.73
James: Western Empire...
00:25:34.76\00:25:36.30
Ivor: Right, Western Empire...
so, now, what we have here
00:25:36.33\00:25:38.50
is Daniel accurately forecasting
00:25:38.53\00:25:41.40
over a thousand
years of history...
00:25:41.47\00:25:45.01
if he wrote the book...
for those of us who believe.
00:25:45.04\00:25:48.68
Now, here's the thing...
00:25:48.74\00:25:50.28
the skeptic says,
"Oh, the book was written
00:25:50.31\00:25:52.81
in the first century B.C.
00:25:52.85\00:25:54.18
so it really
doesn't carry much weight. "
00:25:54.22\00:25:57.29
Daniel says, right?
Like, he's on a roll...
00:25:57.35\00:26:00.52
"After you a
second king will arise...
00:26:00.56\00:26:02.82
and after you, a
third king... a fourth... "
00:26:02.86\00:26:04.59
he could have said,
00:26:04.63\00:26:05.96
"and after the fourth kingdom,
a fifth kingdom will arise. "
00:26:05.99\00:26:07.83
He didn't say that.
00:26:07.86\00:26:09.36
What he said was,
"This fourth kingdom
00:26:09.40\00:26:11.93
is going to be
broken down into pieces. "
00:26:11.97\00:26:14.34
All: Hmmm...
00:26:14.37\00:26:15.70
Ivor: Wait a minute,
even if we gave the skeptic
00:26:15.74\00:26:20.58
first century B.C.,
00:26:20.64\00:26:21.98
how did Daniel
accurately predict
00:26:22.01\00:26:24.38
that Rome would
not be overthrown
00:26:24.41\00:26:26.68
by some other fifth kingdom...
00:26:26.72\00:26:28.88
that it would
instead disintegrate...
00:26:28.95\00:26:31.49
that's five... and that's
another 500 years of history
00:26:31.52\00:26:36.96
that Daniel has prophesied
00:26:36.99\00:26:38.69
that the skeptic cannot gainsay.
00:26:38.73\00:26:40.50
James: Right. Yvonne: Right.
00:26:40.53\00:26:42.86
Ivor: Absolutely mind blowing
00:26:42.90\00:26:45.13
and that's not
the whole prophecy,
00:26:45.17\00:26:47.37
that's just a 1,000 years.
00:26:47.40\00:26:49.50
I don't even think we
should get into the clay yet
00:26:49.57\00:26:51.71
because we only have
just a little time left.
00:26:51.74\00:26:55.64
But what this
demonstrates is the 50 things.
00:26:55.68\00:26:59.48
Right? Because if these
four things have come to pass...
00:26:59.51\00:27:02.82
if God has accurately foretold
00:27:02.85\00:27:04.29
a thousand years
for the believer...
00:27:04.32\00:27:06.22
and okay, 500 years for
the skeptic... guess what?
00:27:06.25\00:27:09.16
That's still 500 years...
how do you explain that?
00:27:09.19\00:27:11.86
Yvonne: Right.
00:27:11.89\00:27:13.23
Ivor: There is no scientific
explanation for prophecy.
00:27:13.26\00:27:15.66
and every... you know,
00:27:15.70\00:27:17.07
the whole world
runs on prophecy.
00:27:17.10\00:27:18.50
People try to foretell the
weather... that's prophecy...
00:27:18.53\00:27:21.97
Science is the art of prophecy.
00:27:22.00\00:27:24.07
Science is, "We
believe this is going to happen
00:27:24.11\00:27:26.94
and we are going
to predict it... "
00:27:26.98\00:27:28.31
it's the art of prediction.
00:27:28.34\00:27:29.68
James: Education... careers...
jobs... investments...
00:27:29.71\00:27:32.31
you name it.
00:27:32.35\00:27:33.82
Ivor: It's all about prophecy,
00:27:33.85\00:27:35.18
people trust when
prophecy is accurate.
00:27:35.22\00:27:37.09
Yvonne: Right... that's right.
00:27:37.12\00:27:38.45
Ivor: And that's what
the Bible is demonstrating.
00:27:38.49\00:27:39.82
God says, "You can trust me. "
00:27:39.85\00:27:41.29
James: That's
amazingly practical...
00:27:41.32\00:27:42.86
That's amazingly practical
to think that our whole lives
00:27:42.89\00:27:45.79
center around
prophecy and predictions
00:27:45.83\00:27:47.66
that we make for
ourselves... for our families...
00:27:47.70\00:27:49.73
for our careers, our
futures... our investments...
00:27:49.76\00:27:51.73
the countries we live in...
00:27:51.80\00:27:53.27
the things that are
going to happen in the world...
00:27:53.30\00:27:55.60
all of it is based on
prophetic ideology, in a sense,
00:27:55.64\00:27:57.97
and none of it can be trusted
as much as the Word of God
00:27:58.01\00:28:00.01
can be trusted.
00:28:00.08\00:28:01.41
That's...
that's really powerful.
00:28:01.44\00:28:02.78
Ivor: Yeah...
00:28:02.81\00:28:04.15
James: So, we're going
to have to pick this up
00:28:04.18\00:28:05.51
with another session and finish
up where we've begun here,
00:28:05.55\00:28:07.82
Ivor, I loved how
you brought this out...
00:28:07.85\00:28:09.45
I think this is really powerful
00:28:09.48\00:28:10.95
and it's important
for us to see this.
00:28:10.99\00:28:12.55
Yvonne: Amen.
James: Praise the Lord.
00:28:12.59\00:28:13.92
Ivor: Yeah.
00:28:13.96\00:28:15.29