So we are still in Revelation 17 00:00:30.13\00:00:31.86 I think it will be good for us 00:00:31.89\00:00:33.60 to just pick up where we left off 00:00:33.63\00:00:35.06 and summarize and identify the seven kings. 00:00:35.10\00:00:37.73 So we'll summarize 00:00:37.77\00:00:39.50 what we've learned about these seven kings 00:00:39.53\00:00:41.60 "that is... and is not... and yet is... " 00:00:41.64\00:00:43.61 and then we'll look at where there was and is not 00:00:43.64\00:00:46.74 and then we'll look at the identification... finish this up 00:00:46.78\00:00:49.51 and then, we're going to move right into 18... 00:00:49.54\00:00:51.31 remember now, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19... 00:00:51.35\00:00:54.88 all about the judgments, the plagues... the wrath of God 00:00:54.92\00:00:58.52 but explaining in more detail why, why, why, why, why... 00:00:58.55\00:01:02.12 and when we started Revelation 17 00:01:02.16\00:01:04.63 we looked at one of the reasons why 00:01:04.69\00:01:06.86 the blood of martyrs... the blood of saints... 00:01:06.90\00:01:08.60 the cup of fornication... 00:01:08.63\00:01:10.43 of the kings of the earth and the abominations... 00:01:10.47\00:01:12.77 the terrible things that this System has been involved in 00:01:12.80\00:01:16.50 is the reason why... 00:01:16.57\00:01:17.91 and God just says, "We're done with that... 00:01:17.94\00:01:20.64 that's got to go... there's a consequence to this evil, 00:01:20.68\00:01:23.31 I'm going to allow that consequence to come 00:01:23.35\00:01:24.98 and finish... that's what we're seeing... 00:01:25.01\00:01:27.12 the big picture of what we're seeing here in relation to God 00:01:27.15\00:01:30.25 and God's character is on the line... 00:01:30.29\00:01:32.15 is it okay for Him to deal with evil and take it out? 00:01:32.19\00:01:34.36 Are we okay with that? 00:01:34.39\00:01:35.72 You know God's love, God's mercy 00:01:35.76\00:01:38.06 is justice part of that love and mercy 00:01:38.09\00:01:40.06 and I think what the Bible is telling us is, "yes... " 00:01:40.10\00:01:42.40 the angels of heaven are saying, "yes" 00:01:42.43\00:01:44.33 and He wants us to say, "Yes" also. 00:01:44.37\00:01:46.07 All right, let's pray together, Yvonne, would you pray for us? 00:01:46.10\00:01:48.80 Sure, "Father God, what a privilege it is 00:01:48.84\00:01:51.07 to study your Word and to learn about the Plan of Salvation 00:01:51.11\00:01:55.64 through the book of Revelation. 00:01:55.68\00:01:57.08 We're just so grateful that you've given us this 00:01:57.11\00:02:00.08 so we pray that your Spirit would just enlighten us 00:02:00.12\00:02:03.05 and illuminate this information for us 00:02:03.08\00:02:06.15 and help us to not only be hearers... 00:02:06.19\00:02:09.26 but doers of the Word as well 00:02:09.29\00:02:10.66 we pray in Jesus' name, amen. " 00:02:10.69\00:02:12.03 "Amen. " 00:02:12.09\00:02:13.46 I think in a sense Daniel 2 helps us with this 00:02:13.50\00:02:17.23 in Revelation 17 there's a summary 00:02:17.27\00:02:20.64 really... of history... of powers that have cumulated 00:02:20.67\00:02:24.74 and given their... they've lost their military might 00:02:24.77\00:02:28.31 but they've given their... their... their culture... 00:02:28.34\00:02:31.85 they've passed their culture on. 00:02:31.88\00:02:33.45 When Daniel 2 and Daniel 7 talk about 00:02:33.48\00:02:35.45 Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome... 00:02:35.48\00:02:37.92 all these ancient powers... kingdoms... 00:02:37.95\00:02:40.32 it talks about how their military might was taken away 00:02:40.36\00:02:42.96 but their lives were prolonged for a season and a time... 00:02:42.99\00:02:45.43 and so, in Daniel chapter 2, 00:02:45.49\00:02:48.03 when the stone which represents Christ 00:02:48.06\00:02:50.57 hits the image at the feet, it brings down the entire image 00:02:50.60\00:02:53.64 which includes Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, 00:02:53.67\00:02:56.34 and that's the 2nd coming of Jesus 00:02:56.37\00:02:57.94 and I think that's what we're talking about here, 00:02:57.97\00:02:59.57 that picture will help us with identifying these seven kings. 00:02:59.61\00:03:02.41 I think that picture will help us. 00:03:02.44\00:03:04.28 Pause... 00:03:04.31\00:03:05.98 So, let's... let's... go back to Revelation 17 00:03:06.01\00:03:11.35 and we're going to pick it right up in verse 8, 00:03:11.39\00:03:16.69 Revelation 17 verse 8 so Jason, 00:03:16.73\00:03:21.33 would you go ahead and read verse 8 again please? 00:03:21.36\00:03:25.17 Sure, "The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; 00:03:25.20\00:03:28.97 and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, 00:03:29.00\00:03:31.44 and go into perdition: 00:03:31.47\00:03:32.81 and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, 00:03:32.84\00:03:35.44 whose names were not written in the book of life 00:03:35.48\00:03:38.08 from the foundation of the world, 00:03:38.11\00:03:39.51 when they behold the beast 00:03:39.55\00:03:41.15 that was, and is not, and yet is. " 00:03:41.18\00:03:43.72 Okay, so from our last Program, we saw that this beast 00:03:43.75\00:03:47.86 is the same as the one found in Revelation chapter 13, 00:03:47.92\00:03:51.99 right, the Bible talks about Revelation 13 verse 3 00:03:52.03\00:03:56.10 that one of his heads was wounded to death 00:03:56.13\00:03:58.97 and the deadly wound was healed, 00:03:59.00\00:04:00.64 we recognized that as the Papal power. 00:04:00.67\00:04:02.67 In 1798, it receives a deadly wound... 00:04:02.70\00:04:04.67 it still existed 00:04:04.71\00:04:06.47 although it did not have authority 00:04:06.54\00:04:08.54 to persecute as it did in the Dark Ages. 00:04:08.58\00:04:11.71 "So it was... is not... 00:04:11.75\00:04:19.32 and yet is... " 00:04:19.35\00:04:23.36 in other words, it is... and yet... 00:04:23.43\00:04:25.73 we're talking about the ... System right, 00:04:25.76\00:04:28.73 "it isn't and yet is... " right? 00:04:28.76\00:04:31.03 So, this is the beast in its wounded state 00:04:31.07\00:04:34.64 and then it shall ascend, 00:04:34.70\00:04:37.57 its wound will be healed 00:04:37.61\00:04:40.41 and it's healed when we have this three-fold union 00:04:40.48\00:04:43.41 of Dragon, Beast, False Prophet, 00:04:43.45\00:04:46.15 so when we see in Revelation 17:8, 00:04:46.21\00:04:48.85 that it was... is not... and is to... or shall ascend... 00:04:48.88\00:04:54.09 you know we're talking about the same power, 00:04:54.12\00:04:55.46 we also know that because right when this happens... 00:04:55.49\00:04:57.99 it says, "all the world... " 00:04:58.03\00:04:59.36 those who were not written in the Lamb's book of life 00:04:59.39\00:05:01.86 wondering... "Ah man, we go to Revelation chapter 13 00:05:01.90\00:05:04.60 verse 3... and right after the deadly wound is healed, 00:05:04.63\00:05:07.27 James: Everyone is wondering... 00:05:07.30\00:05:09.44 Ivor: actually in verse 4 what does it say 00:05:09.47\00:05:11.87 right after the wound is healed, "they worshipped the... " who? 00:05:11.91\00:05:14.74 "the dragon... " who were they worshipping? 00:05:14.78\00:05:18.61 The dragon... hey, the dragon, they worshipped the dragon 00:05:18.65\00:05:23.52 remember in Revelation 12 verse 11 and verse 12 or 13... 00:05:23.55\00:05:28.09 around there... we talked about 00:05:28.12\00:05:29.46 how the dragon has come down unto you 00:05:29.49\00:05:31.56 knowing he has but a short time... 00:05:31.59\00:05:33.90 so we're seeing these events line up... 00:05:33.93\00:05:37.07 God is showing us... like from Revelation 12 onward, 00:05:37.10\00:05:40.34 He's showing us, "Hey, I just want you to know 00:05:40.40\00:05:42.60 by-the-way, the dragon is going to appear. 00:05:42.67\00:05:44.81 He's coming... when this happens 00:05:44.87\00:05:46.47 the whole world is going to wonder, 00:05:46.51\00:05:48.11 when this happens... He has but a what time? 00:05:48.14\00:05:50.95 A short time. 00:05:50.98\00:05:52.71 Another thing there too, I think it's really important 00:05:52.75\00:05:54.48 because what we're doing is... we're identifying the 7th... 00:05:54.52\00:05:56.48 the 7th king... as a three-fold union... 00:05:56.52\00:05:59.49 so, Ivor is bringing out in Revelation 13, 00:05:59.52\00:06:02.39 that when they worship the beast they're worshipping the dragon 00:06:02.42\00:06:04.33 and also, the 2nd beast that comes out of the earth... 00:06:04.36\00:06:07.86 makes an image to the first beast and commands 00:06:07.90\00:06:10.13 that the whole world should worship the first beast, 00:06:10.17\00:06:11.97 the image to the first beast is to worship the first beast, 00:06:12.00\00:06:14.50 but it's done through this land beast... 00:06:14.54\00:06:17.11 so you have the land beast, America, United States... 00:06:17.17\00:06:20.58 you have the Papacy... the sea beast 00:06:20.61\00:06:22.38 and then you have the dragon 00:06:22.41\00:06:23.75 together it's a three-fold union in Revelation 13... 00:06:23.78\00:06:26.28 Revelation 17 is just summarizing that 00:06:26.31\00:06:28.85 so the seventh head... that ascends out 00:06:28.88\00:06:31.39 is going to be ascending up 00:06:31.42\00:06:32.92 because it has the support of the dragon 00:06:32.95\00:06:34.59 and it has the support of the land beast. 00:06:34.62\00:06:36.73 It's one power in that seventh head. 00:06:36.76\00:06:38.76 That's right and remember how we talked about 00:06:38.79\00:06:40.23 how the beast was and is... it was... is not... yet is... 00:06:40.26\00:06:45.10 and is to come... 00:06:45.13\00:06:46.47 that Jesus... that phrase, was... is... and is to come... 00:06:46.50\00:06:51.01 is directly related to Jesus Christ, 00:06:51.04\00:06:53.58 so what we see here is the fact that this beast 00:06:53.61\00:06:56.81 is actually counterfeiting the movement of Christ, 00:06:56.85\00:07:00.02 right, who was... and is... and is to come... 00:07:00.05\00:07:03.59 all right... so... we looked at those things to identify. 00:07:03.65\00:07:07.46 James: One more thing... Ivor: Go ahead. 00:07:07.49\00:07:08.82 James: One more thing... so... just to give our Viewers 00:07:08.86\00:07:11.43 a little bit more Biblical evidence for this... 00:07:11.46\00:07:16.03 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 00:07:16.06\00:07:17.63 and this verse just came to me. 00:07:17.67\00:07:19.00 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2, same thing... 00:07:19.03\00:07:20.84 you have the man of sin, right, 00:07:20.87\00:07:22.60 what is he trying to do? 00:07:22.64\00:07:24.11 Well, in 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2, 00:07:24.14\00:07:27.01 it says here, that... in verse 4... 00:07:27.04\00:07:29.84 "He opposes and exalts himself 00:07:29.88\00:07:31.61 above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; 00:07:31.65\00:07:34.65 so that he as God sits in the temple of God 00:07:34.68\00:07:38.22 shewing himself that he is God. " 00:07:38.25\00:07:40.36 Hmmm... hmmm... Yes, yes... 00:07:40.39\00:07:41.72 So, it's really important for us to recognize this... 00:07:41.76\00:07:44.03 this is a counterfeit of God... it's counterfeit of Christ... 00:07:44.06\00:07:46.46 Ivor: Yeah, hey, would you... 00:07:46.49\00:07:47.83 what does the verse right before it say? 00:07:47.86\00:07:49.20 James: The verse before it says, "Let no man deceive you... " 00:07:49.23\00:07:52.03 Ivor: Yeah. 00:07:52.07\00:07:53.84 James: Okay, "by any means: for that day shall not come, 00:07:53.90\00:07:55.57 except there be a falling away first, 00:07:55.60\00:07:57.51 and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition... " 00:07:57.54\00:07:59.61 Ivor: Okay, so that word... 00:07:59.64\00:08:00.98 we talked about that before... that word, "revealed" 00:08:01.01\00:08:03.11 "apokalupto" it means: the apocalypse 00:08:03.14\00:08:06.61 which is the very name of the book of Revelation 00:08:06.65\00:08:08.68 which points to the coming 00:08:08.72\00:08:10.52 or the revelation of Jesus Christ's second coming 00:08:10.59\00:08:13.56 so, what is... what is this power going to do? 00:08:13.59\00:08:16.56 It's going to seek to impersonate 00:08:16.59\00:08:18.53 the 2nd coming of Christ, 00:08:18.59\00:08:20.26 this is the thing that causes the whole world 00:08:20.30\00:08:23.26 to wonder, right, after the beast. 00:08:23.30\00:08:25.17 In fact, Jesus said it this way, 00:08:25.20\00:08:29.00 "when you see the abomination of desolation 00:08:29.04\00:08:32.67 standing in the Holy Place... " 00:08:32.71\00:08:34.41 right, "then know... that it's time for you to run. " 00:08:34.44\00:08:39.05 He ends that whole discourse about 00:08:39.08\00:08:43.75 "when you see the abomination of desolation" 00:08:43.79\00:08:45.59 which we understand to be the very same thing... 00:08:45.65\00:08:47.12 the healing of the deadly wound, 00:08:47.16\00:08:48.49 it's the same thing being explained in various ways. 00:08:48.52\00:08:52.26 The seventh king that is to come, 00:08:52.29\00:08:53.83 the healing of the deadly wound, 00:08:53.86\00:08:55.33 the abomination of desolation is there, 00:08:55.36\00:08:57.37 the man of sin sitting at the temple of God showing... 00:08:57.40\00:08:59.83 it's all the same thing 00:08:59.87\00:09:01.20 but in Matthew 24, He ends it by saying this, 00:09:01.24\00:09:05.37 "When you see the leaves of the fig tree growing 00:09:05.41\00:09:09.11 know... " He says, "know that, 00:09:09.14\00:09:11.38 understand the parable of the fig tree... 00:09:11.41\00:09:12.85 when you see the leaves of the fig tree coming to life, 00:09:12.88\00:09:15.75 know... you know that summer's nigh. 00:09:15.78\00:09:17.95 So, likewise... " He says, 00:09:17.99\00:09:20.66 "you will know that the end of all things is near... 00:09:20.72\00:09:23.09 when you... the generation that sees this, 00:09:23.12\00:09:25.13 this generation will not pass. " 00:09:25.16\00:09:26.66 Well, what happens to a tree in the winter? 00:09:26.70\00:09:30.37 It dies... supposedly... it goes dormant... 00:09:30.40\00:09:33.30 Yeah, it goes dormant right, it dies but it's not really dead 00:09:33.34\00:09:37.91 Hmmm... right, right, right. Come on now. 00:09:37.94\00:09:40.81 So when the leaves begin to come forth, 00:09:40.88\00:09:43.68 you see... oh life... yet... it's coming back to life... 00:09:43.71\00:09:48.58 right, He says, "the generation that sees this, 00:09:48.62\00:09:53.05 that generation is not going to pass. " 00:09:53.09\00:09:54.79 Couple more points here, Ivor, while we're here, 00:09:54.82\00:09:57.89 this is really incredible. 00:09:57.93\00:09:59.26 "The son perdition... " remember, goes into perdition... 00:09:59.29\00:10:02.00 goes into perdition... goes into perdition, 00:10:02.03\00:10:03.40 now check this verse out... 00:10:03.47\00:10:04.80 you've forgotten about this one but this is good. 00:10:04.83\00:10:06.67 it says, "Even him whose coming is after the working of Satan 00:10:06.70\00:10:11.64 with all power and signs and lying wonders. " 00:10:11.67\00:10:15.31 Okay, so you've got the man of sin here 00:10:15.34\00:10:18.31 and you've got Satan here okay 00:10:18.35\00:10:21.88 with signs and lying wonders 00:10:21.92\00:10:24.25 and then, I want to just read this because 00:10:24.29\00:10:26.35 this is what we talked about earlier 00:10:26.39\00:10:28.39 "he comes with all deceivableness 00:10:28.42\00:10:30.36 of unrighteousness in them that perish: 00:10:30.43\00:10:31.99 because they received not the love of the truth... " 00:10:32.03\00:10:33.86 And so God is going to do what? 00:10:33.90\00:10:35.23 "send strong delusion, 00:10:35.26\00:10:36.60 that they should believe a lie" because they... 00:10:36.63\00:10:38.50 "That they might be damned that believe not the truth, 00:10:38.53\00:10:40.90 but have pleasure in unrighteousness. " 00:10:40.94\00:10:42.27 Hmmm... That's right... that's right. 00:10:42.30\00:10:43.64 So, it's not that God is... is deceiving us... 00:10:43.67\00:10:47.18 it's see... we are deceived 00:10:47.21\00:10:49.18 because we refuse to love the truth, 00:10:49.21\00:10:51.15 we refuse to take ahold of righteousness 00:10:51.18\00:10:53.48 and therefore, the strong delusion takes us. 00:10:53.52\00:10:55.68 Yeah... Hmmm... 00:10:55.72\00:10:57.05 It's one or the other... 00:10:57.09\00:10:58.42 we have to make a choice for the truth 00:10:58.45\00:10:59.79 if not we're going to be deceived. 00:10:59.82\00:11:01.56 The strong delusion is the "wondering time" 00:11:01.59\00:11:04.46 let's call it that, "the wondering time" 00:11:04.49\00:11:07.30 when the whole world wonders, it's a strong delusion, 00:11:07.33\00:11:10.40 the "wondering time... " the short space... 00:11:10.43\00:11:13.13 the short time... God... the way that... 00:11:13.17\00:11:15.80 you know, in Math... we talked about this before, 00:11:15.84\00:11:17.61 in Math you can check your problem, 00:11:17.64\00:11:19.47 you know, you reverse it, you check... 00:11:19.51\00:11:20.84 that's what He's doing for us in the Scripture, 00:11:20.88\00:11:22.21 He's giving us these... different symbols 00:11:22.24\00:11:24.88 but talking about the very same event, 00:11:24.91\00:11:27.12 and He's saying, "If you get this right, 00:11:27.18\00:11:29.55 you'll see that all of this lines up. " 00:11:29.58\00:11:32.05 Right, so let's go back to Revelation 17 00:11:32.09\00:11:34.46 and we'll look at, now, verse 8, I'm sorry, verse 9 00:11:34.49\00:11:41.16 and verse 10. 00:11:41.20\00:11:44.10 Would you read that Yvonne? Hmmm... hmmm... 00:11:44.13\00:11:46.30 "Here is the mind which has wisdom. 00:11:46.33\00:11:48.64 The seven heads are seven mountains, 00:11:48.67\00:11:50.54 on which the woman sits. 00:11:50.57\00:11:52.31 There are also seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, 00:11:52.34\00:11:56.58 and the other has not yet come; 00:11:56.61\00:11:58.41 and when he comes, he must continue a short time. " 00:11:58.45\00:12:02.52 Okay, so here you have this, 00:12:02.55\00:12:04.19 okay, so now he's saying, "Hey, five are fallen... " 00:12:04.22\00:12:06.55 remember we talked about that's the "was... 00:12:06.59\00:12:09.36 one is... and the other is not yet come. " 00:12:09.39\00:12:12.19 So the one that's not yet come is Number seven. 00:12:12.23\00:12:14.73 Five... one is... six... 00:12:14.76\00:12:17.50 and seven is the one that is yet to come 00:12:17.53\00:12:20.54 right, we are waiting for the seventh king to come 00:12:20.57\00:12:24.31 in the meantime, we're in the time of the sixth king 00:12:24.34\00:12:27.68 right, and five have fallen. 00:12:27.71\00:12:29.78 So, what does this all mean? 00:12:29.84\00:12:31.81 Who were the five, the sixth and the seventh? 00:12:31.85\00:12:33.88 Well, what James mentioned earlier 00:12:33.92\00:12:35.82 about the book of Daniel helping us, 00:12:35.85\00:12:38.09 is that... in the prophecy of Daniel 00:12:38.12\00:12:40.32 we're very specifically told 00:12:40.36\00:12:42.06 that these four beasts that Daniel sees, 00:12:42.09\00:12:47.33 the angel says, "these four beasts are four kings. " 00:12:47.36\00:12:51.13 Daniel 7:17... and 23... 00:12:51.17\00:12:53.50 Yes, so that's Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome... 00:12:53.54\00:12:56.40 okay, so man! we got four of the seven down, 00:12:56.44\00:12:59.24 we know... these are four kings. 00:12:59.27\00:13:01.48 And we know that they apply to Revelation 17 because 00:13:01.54\00:13:04.11 the image in Daniel 2 is still standing 00:13:04.15\00:13:06.51 when the stone hits it at the 2nd coming of Jesus 00:13:06.55\00:13:09.02 so we know these kingdoms are still part of 00:13:09.05\00:13:10.99 the picture... part of the puzzle right here. 00:13:11.02\00:13:12.89 Absolutely, absolutely, 00:13:12.92\00:13:14.26 so you've got four kings down, right? 00:13:14.29\00:13:15.79 So, who is the king that comes after Rome? Okay. 00:13:15.82\00:13:20.56 Well, we know that because we've been studying that all along, 00:13:20.60\00:13:24.53 what power rose out of Rome? It is Papal Rome, right, 00:13:24.57\00:13:29.64 the Little Horn... 00:13:29.70\00:13:32.34 but we're actually told that the Little Horn is a King. 00:13:32.37\00:13:34.41 Yes, go over to Daniel chapter 8 00:13:34.44\00:13:37.35 just hold your place here we'll look at Daniel 8... 00:13:37.38\00:13:39.88 let's read... I believe it is verse 23... 00:13:39.91\00:13:44.82 Daniel 8 verse 23. 00:13:44.85\00:13:47.19 Pause... 00:13:47.22\00:13:49.86 "And in the latter time of their kingdom, 00:13:49.92\00:13:52.19 when the transgressors are come to the full, 00:13:52.23\00:13:54.50 a king of fierce countenance, 00:13:54.53\00:13:56.70 and understanding dark sentences, 00:13:56.73\00:13:58.47 shall stand up. " 00:13:58.50\00:13:59.83 Verse 24, "And his power shall be mighty, 00:13:59.87\00:14:01.90 but not by his own power: 00:14:01.94\00:14:03.27 and he shall destroy wonderfully, 00:14:03.30\00:14:04.64 and shall prosper and practice, 00:14:04.67\00:14:06.01 and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. " 00:14:06.04\00:14:08.08 So, here's what we begin to do now, 00:14:08.14\00:14:10.51 when we read this stuff... you should be like... 00:14:10.55\00:14:12.61 "Ah... this is the woman of Revelation 17... " 00:14:12.65\00:14:15.35 you see what I'm saying? 00:14:15.38\00:14:17.35 The more connecting points you have, 00:14:17.39\00:14:19.75 the easier it becomes to understand. 00:14:19.79\00:14:22.09 "Oh, this is the little horn of Daniel 7." 00:14:22.12\00:14:24.46 "Oh, this is the first beast of Revelation 13... " 00:14:24.49\00:14:27.40 "Oh, this is the woman of Revelation 17... " 00:14:27.46\00:14:30.23 You're having more points of understanding. 00:14:30.27\00:14:33.00 You see what I'm saying? 00:14:33.03\00:14:34.37 You're seeing it from these different angles. 00:14:34.40\00:14:35.80 Yeah, verse 25, "He magnifies himself in his heart... " 00:14:35.84\00:14:38.34 and then in 2nd Thessalonians, 00:14:38.37\00:14:40.04 he stands up against the prince of princes, 00:14:40.08\00:14:41.98 counterfeits Christ, mediator, priest... it's all there. 00:14:42.01\00:14:45.15 The point is, he's called the king... 00:14:45.18\00:14:47.78 the point is, he's called the king. 00:14:47.82\00:14:49.92 Exactly, so now we've got five kings 00:14:49.95\00:14:51.92 and we know what happens to this fifth king. 00:14:51.95\00:14:55.82 He receives a deadly wound, right, from Atheism. 00:14:55.89\00:15:00.00 Okay, so now we've got five kings that have fallen, 00:15:00.03\00:15:04.13 right, or that were... we know, who is to come... 00:15:04.17\00:15:07.67 so, right now, we're in the time of the sixth king. 00:15:07.70\00:15:11.04 right, we're in the time of the sixth king, 00:15:11.07\00:15:13.31 now, the question is, "Who is the sixth king?" 00:15:13.34\00:15:15.58 and there is some debate about this 00:15:15.61\00:15:18.21 but I think there is a reasonable space 00:15:18.25\00:15:20.82 to conclude that 00:15:20.85\00:15:22.18 it can be one of... 00:15:22.22\00:15:24.22 any one of these two kings. 00:15:24.25\00:15:26.19 But we know it is the time of Atheism. 00:15:26.22\00:15:27.59 We know it is the time of Atheism. 00:15:27.62\00:15:28.96 Right, so... to make it plain, to make it very simple, 00:15:28.99\00:15:32.43 when the French Revolution occurred, 00:15:32.46\00:15:35.90 which... we're going to tell our readers this 00:15:35.93\00:15:38.17 but... "readers" our Viewers this 00:15:38.20\00:15:41.44 but we're asking you to just 00:15:41.47\00:15:43.94 kind of go with us on this 00:15:43.97\00:15:46.41 because we're going to cover it in the book of Daniel 00:15:46.44\00:15:48.34 in more detail by the grace of God, okay, 00:15:48.38\00:15:51.01 but in Daniel chapter 11 00:15:51.05\00:15:52.61 which is the calculus chapter of Daniel, 00:15:52.65\00:15:56.28 okay, that's the... yeah, that's the... 00:15:56.32\00:15:59.92 what is he talking about, right? 00:15:59.95\00:16:02.89 Daniel 11 is Revelation chapter 17. 00:16:02.92\00:16:05.79 Okay, but in Daniel 11, Atheism is described by a title, 00:16:05.83\00:16:13.23 "King of the South" okay, 00:16:13.27\00:16:16.77 it's called the King of the South 00:16:16.81\00:16:18.64 or the King of Egypt. 00:16:18.67\00:16:20.14 We know that in Revelation 11, Egypt is described 00:16:20.18\00:16:24.11 as the power out of which this... 00:16:24.15\00:16:26.01 I mean, the place out of which this power... 00:16:26.05\00:16:28.62 it is a power... right... which was France... 00:16:28.68\00:16:30.85 symbolically France. 00:16:30.89\00:16:32.65 And Exodus 5:2 also says, "Who is God that I should obey 00:16:32.69\00:16:35.99 to let His people go?" 00:16:36.02\00:16:37.43 It's an Atheistic principle and Atheistic power. 00:16:37.46\00:16:39.49 And it is that Atheistic power 00:16:39.53\00:16:41.26 that brought about the deadly wound 00:16:41.30\00:16:44.07 right, of the Papacy. 00:16:44.10\00:16:46.63 So, the reason that the Papacy is not... 00:16:46.67\00:16:49.70 is because this King of the South 00:16:49.74\00:16:52.41 took it down. Hmmm... 00:16:52.44\00:16:54.68 James: That's the sixth king. 00:16:54.71\00:16:56.11 Ivor: You see what I'm saying? Hmmm... 00:16:56.14\00:16:57.88 The sixth king involved the time where the woman is not... 00:16:57.91\00:17:01.95 James: Right... she is... 00:17:01.98\00:17:03.39 she's alive but she's not reigning. 00:17:03.42\00:17:05.05 Ivor: That's right and she's not reigning because Atheism 00:17:05.09\00:17:08.02 has taken her down. 00:17:08.06\00:17:09.39 Yvonne: Okay. 00:17:09.42\00:17:10.76 James: But she will be... she'll ascend out of that pit. 00:17:10.79\00:17:12.46 Ivor: She's going to ascend... 00:17:12.49\00:17:13.83 Atheism arose out of that bottomless pit, 00:17:13.86\00:17:15.83 Atheism... witness... the woman will come back... 00:17:15.86\00:17:19.73 right, but she's coming back with even more... 00:17:19.77\00:17:22.24 James: Hmmm... hmmm... three-fold Power... 00:17:22.27\00:17:24.74 Ivor: If she had power... think about the power... 00:17:24.77\00:17:27.08 the persecution she was able to do during the Dark Ages, 00:17:27.14\00:17:29.21 she's coming back with three-fold power. 00:17:29.24\00:17:31.78 James: And the horns... 00:17:31.81\00:17:33.15 the ten horns fully supporting her. 00:17:33.18\00:17:35.38 Ivor: Exactly, so the world wonders... 00:17:35.42\00:17:37.75 this is the 7th king that comes up, 00:17:37.79\00:17:40.69 let's go back to Revelation chapter 17, so now... 00:17:40.72\00:17:43.19 James: In fact, she has so much power 00:17:43.22\00:17:44.56 that she's going to make war with the Lamb. 00:17:44.59\00:17:45.93 Ivor: That's right. 00:17:45.96\00:17:47.30 James: We're going to get to that in a minute, 00:17:47.33\00:17:48.66 that's how much power she has. 00:17:48.70\00:17:50.03 Ivor: That's right, Revelation 17 and... 00:17:50.07\00:17:51.40 James: So we got six kings... 00:17:51.43\00:17:52.80 Ivor: Six kings and now, verse 10, let me read it again, 00:17:52.83\00:17:57.34 so there are seven kings: 00:17:57.37\00:17:58.77 five are fallen... who were the five? 00:17:58.81\00:18:01.74 Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome. 00:18:01.78\00:18:04.65 Okay, and the fifth? 00:18:04.68\00:18:06.18 The fifth one was... 00:18:06.21\00:18:07.65 Who comes after pagan Rome? 00:18:07.68\00:18:10.12 Oh, Papal Rome. 00:18:10.15\00:18:11.49 And then the sixth... what is that? 00:18:11.52\00:18:15.46 At least the time period we know is where 00:18:15.49\00:18:17.56 Atheism as the king of the south 00:18:17.59\00:18:20.56 has taken down the Papacy. 00:18:20.60\00:18:23.06 Right... 00:18:23.10\00:18:24.43 So, the Papacy is... but it is not... 00:18:24.47\00:18:27.20 it's wounded... 00:18:27.24\00:18:28.64 it still exists... 00:18:28.70\00:18:30.04 but not in the state of power that it had. 00:18:30.07\00:18:31.97 Right... 00:18:32.04\00:18:33.54 Well, we know the deadly wound is going to be... what? 00:18:33.58\00:18:34.91 Yvonne: Healed... 00:18:34.94\00:18:36.28 Ivor: Healed and he will come again. 00:18:36.31\00:18:37.71 He will come... 00:18:37.75\00:18:40.02 "He will come again" isn't that what Jesus does? 00:18:40.05\00:18:44.95 Jesus comes again, right? 00:18:44.99\00:18:47.22 He will ascend and come again 00:18:47.26\00:18:49.39 counterfeiting the second coming. 00:18:49.42\00:18:52.26 In fact, it is a second coming, because he came once before, 00:18:52.29\00:18:57.20 he's coming again 00:18:57.23\00:18:58.77 but this time with more power... 00:18:58.80\00:19:00.64 with more authority 00:19:00.67\00:19:02.00 because he's coming with a... 00:19:02.04\00:19:03.37 he's coming: Dragon, Beast, False Prophet... 00:19:03.41\00:19:07.08 three-fold power. 00:19:07.11\00:19:08.51 Okay, now, notice end of verse 11, 00:19:08.54\00:19:12.41 "The beast that was... " 00:19:12.45\00:19:15.62 oh I'm sorry... verse... we just read verse 10. 00:19:15.65\00:19:20.29 "when he cometh... " end of verse 10... 00:19:20.32\00:19:21.92 "when he cometh, he must continue a... " what? 00:19:21.99\00:19:24.53 "a short space. " 00:19:24.56\00:19:25.89 That's going to be that time of trouble 00:19:25.93\00:19:30.03 that short time that the dragon knows that he has. 00:19:30.07\00:19:36.14 That's going to be... yeah... "fig leaves" 00:19:36.17\00:19:39.91 fig leaves... okay... 00:19:39.94\00:19:42.11 so, now we get over... verse 11, 00:19:42.14\00:19:44.31 "And the beast that was, and is not, 00:19:44.35\00:19:46.48 even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, 00:19:46.51\00:19:50.02 and goeth into perdition. " 00:19:50.05\00:19:51.42 Okay, now what does this mean? "Eighth. " 00:19:51.45\00:19:53.05 James: There is no eighth... 00:19:53.12\00:19:54.46 there's only seven... there's only seven. 00:19:54.49\00:19:55.82 Ivor: Seven... but eighth? Huh? 00:19:55.86\00:19:59.59 So... 00:19:59.63\00:20:01.46 James: It's explained here because it says there, 00:20:01.50\00:20:03.50 "he is the eighth... and is one of the seven" 00:20:03.53\00:20:05.07 or comes out of the seven... 00:20:05.10\00:20:06.57 this is a unique power... 00:20:06.60\00:20:08.04 that's why it's identified as an eighth 00:20:08.07\00:20:10.51 but he's really one of the seven. 00:20:10.54\00:20:11.94 Ivor: Yeah, so the question is, "How is he the eight?" 00:20:11.97\00:20:16.71 Well, it says he goes into perdition 00:20:16.75\00:20:19.65 so what does that mean? "Goes into perdition?" 00:20:19.68\00:20:21.72 Yvonne: Destruction? 00:20:21.75\00:20:23.15 Ivor: Yeah, so what happens when Jesus comes again? 00:20:23.18\00:20:25.32 We're told that Satan is actually cast into where? 00:20:25.35\00:20:30.89 James: Lake of fire... 00:20:30.93\00:20:32.26 Ivor: Not lake of fire yet... to a bottomless pit 00:20:32.29\00:20:34.73 right? and so, they go down, 00:20:34.76\00:20:38.37 that whole power... the beast... the... 00:20:38.40\00:20:40.74 everyone dies... right? 00:20:40.77\00:20:42.10 but there's some... is that the end of them? 00:20:42.14\00:20:44.04 James: No... 00:20:44.07\00:20:45.41 Ivor: Is that the end of King Seven? 00:20:45.44\00:20:47.04 No, because King Seven is coming back, isn't he? 00:20:47.08\00:20:49.98 When does King Seven come back on the scene? 00:20:50.01\00:20:52.88 James: After the 1,000 years. 00:20:52.91\00:20:55.42 Ivor: At the end of the 1,000 years what happens to Satan? 00:20:55.45\00:20:58.32 He is loosed from his prison... 00:20:58.35\00:21:01.56 the Beast and the False Prophet come back to life 00:21:01.59\00:21:06.26 because that now represents the whole world. 00:21:06.29\00:21:09.20 Right? 00:21:09.23\00:21:10.57 All the wicked... 00:21:10.60\00:21:12.33 where are the righteous? They're in heaven, right, 00:21:12.37\00:21:15.50 they're in Mount Zion... 00:21:15.54\00:21:16.87 What happens at the end of the 1,000 years? 00:21:16.91\00:21:18.67 Mount Zion which is on the sides of the north... 00:21:18.74\00:21:22.84 is coming down... Satan is let out of his... 00:21:22.88\00:21:26.98 and he is the... 00:21:27.02\00:21:28.35 he is the... the Dragon, Beast, False Prophet reunite 00:21:28.38\00:21:32.45 at the end of the 1,000 years to launch their final assault 00:21:32.49\00:21:36.86 on the sides of the north. 00:21:36.89\00:21:38.79 Hmmm... 00:21:38.83\00:21:40.16 So, it's not an eighth king... it's the same seventh king 00:21:40.20\00:21:44.57 but he rises up once more for that final assault. 00:21:44.60\00:21:48.54 James: Good... he's one of the seven 00:21:48.57\00:21:50.77 but it's another assault so it's the eighth. 00:21:50.81\00:21:53.04 Absolutely. 00:21:53.07\00:21:54.48 Does that make sense? Yeah... yeah... 00:21:54.54\00:21:55.88 The Seven take place before the 1,000 years... 00:21:55.91\00:21:57.25 the eighth takes place after... 00:21:57.28\00:21:58.61 After the 1,000 years. 00:21:58.65\00:21:59.98 Yvonne: But it's the same, isn't it? 00:22:00.02\00:22:01.35 James: It's the same power. Yvonne: Wow! 00:22:01.38\00:22:02.72 Ivor: And what did he try to do in heaven? 00:22:02.75\00:22:04.09 He wanted to sit on the sides of the north. 00:22:04.12\00:22:05.45 What does he try to do on earth? 00:22:05.49\00:22:06.82 He wanted to sit on the sides of the north. 00:22:06.86\00:22:09.59 At the end of the millennium, what's he trying to do? 00:22:09.62\00:22:13.90 He's trying one last time to take the sides of the north. 00:22:13.93\00:22:17.93 Hmmm... hmmm... 00:22:17.97\00:22:20.20 Hmmm... wow! 00:22:20.24\00:22:22.00 "And the ten horns which you saw are ten kings, 00:22:22.07\00:22:24.31 which have received no kingdom as yet; 00:22:24.34\00:22:25.81 but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. " 00:22:25.84\00:22:28.24 Short time... Yes... 00:22:28.31\00:22:29.74 God does not allowed this to go very long. 00:22:29.78\00:22:31.31 Yes. 00:22:31.35\00:22:32.88 It's a short time... because it's overwhelming 00:22:32.91\00:22:34.85 but it brings everyone to a point of decision 00:22:34.88\00:22:36.82 and then it says, "These have one mind... " 00:22:36.85\00:22:39.12 verse 13... 00:22:39.15\00:22:40.49 "they give their power and strength unto the beast. " 00:22:40.52\00:22:42.02 Now, notice this, read verse 14 for us, Jason. 00:22:42.06\00:22:44.43 All right, verse 14... 00:22:44.46\00:22:47.80 "These shall make war with the Lamb, 00:22:47.86\00:22:49.53 and the Lamb shall overcome them: 00:22:49.56\00:22:51.20 for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: 00:22:51.23\00:22:53.67 and they that are with him are called, 00:22:53.70\00:22:55.84 and chosen, and faithful. " 00:22:55.87\00:22:57.51 Can you imagine that? 00:22:57.54\00:22:58.87 Can you imagine the audacity, 00:22:58.91\00:23:02.01 he's going to make war with the Lamb... 00:23:02.04\00:23:04.31 he's making war with God... 00:23:04.35\00:23:05.78 he is making war with the King of the universe 00:23:05.81\00:23:09.55 but the Lamb will overcome them. 00:23:09.58\00:23:12.05 The Lamb will overcome them. 00:23:12.09\00:23:14.19 How does a Lamb overcome these kinds of powers? 00:23:14.22\00:23:17.13 See, here... right here we're talking about 00:23:17.16\00:23:20.00 the Lamb as in the Cross. 00:23:20.03\00:23:21.90 We're talking about the Lamb as in Calvary, 00:23:21.93\00:23:23.80 we're talking about the principles of unselfish love... 00:23:23.83\00:23:26.33 of other-centered love... 00:23:26.37\00:23:27.87 overcoming these powers 00:23:27.90\00:23:29.34 and that's the only way we can overcome. 00:23:29.37\00:23:31.04 Focus has to be on those principles... love... 00:23:31.07\00:23:33.91 believes all things... hopes all things... 00:23:33.94\00:23:36.34 endures all things... love never fails. 00:23:36.38\00:23:38.75 Even prophecy will fail but love will never fail. 00:23:38.78\00:23:41.58 So, when I was in the world, I was a Martial Artist, 00:23:41.62\00:23:44.42 Hmmm... hmmm... ditto... 00:23:44.45\00:23:45.85 We used to do all kinds of fighting styles right, 00:23:45.89\00:23:47.72 and what's interesting is that in the Martial Arts, 00:23:47.76\00:23:50.13 fighting styles are usually named after animals... 00:23:50.19\00:23:51.99 Hmmm... hmmm... 00:23:52.06\00:23:53.90 So, dragon style... 00:23:53.93\00:23:55.26 many of us fight dragon style right? 00:23:55.30\00:23:57.93 We shouldn't be fighting dragon style, 00:23:57.97\00:24:00.64 but we fight dragon style... 00:24:00.70\00:24:02.10 we follow the pattern of the dragon 00:24:02.14\00:24:03.87 and so, when you think about it, 00:24:03.91\00:24:05.71 whoa... this final conflict... 00:24:05.74\00:24:07.48 it's dragon style versus Lamb style 00:24:07.51\00:24:11.78 and we're like... "Wait a minute... can a... " 00:24:11.81\00:24:14.45 James: "Can a Lamb beat the dragon?" 00:24:14.48\00:24:16.32 Ivor: Master, can Lamb beat the dragon?" 00:24:16.35\00:24:19.59 Yes... the Lamb will beat the dragon. 00:24:19.62\00:24:22.89 we need to learn... "Lamb style. " 00:24:22.92\00:24:26.03 Yes... oh it's good. 00:24:26.06\00:24:28.93 Lamb style... 00:24:28.96\00:24:30.43 "He said unto me, The waters which you saw, 00:24:30.47\00:24:31.90 where the whore sits, 00:24:31.93\00:24:33.27 are peoples, multitudes, nations and tongues. " 00:24:33.30\00:24:35.84 This is a verse we refer to many times 00:24:35.87\00:24:38.34 and it's just a clarification for us, 00:24:38.37\00:24:39.71 this is talking about people, 00:24:39.74\00:24:41.21 it's not talking... the symbols here need to be broken down. 00:24:41.24\00:24:43.85 "And the ten horns which you saw upon the beast, 00:24:43.88\00:24:46.31 these will hate the whore... 00:24:46.38\00:24:47.72 will make her desolate and naked, 00:24:47.75\00:24:49.58 and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 00:24:49.62\00:24:51.22 For God has put in their hearts to fulfil his will, 00:24:51.25\00:24:54.09 and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, 00:24:54.12\00:24:56.93 until the words of God shall be fulfilled. " 00:24:56.96\00:24:58.83 So, you have these powers of the earth giving their support 00:24:58.86\00:25:02.56 but then... drying up... 00:25:02.60\00:25:04.00 that's what we read in Revelation 16. 00:25:04.03\00:25:05.77 They support... the waters support Babylon 00:25:05.80\00:25:09.10 but then they dry up... 00:25:09.14\00:25:10.47 they dry up when they realize they've been deceived, 00:25:10.51\00:25:12.07 they dry up when they realize, 00:25:12.11\00:25:13.44 "Whoa, we have been completely taken 00:25:13.48\00:25:16.68 into this deception and this woman... 00:25:16.75\00:25:19.41 this System has led us to perdition" 00:25:19.45\00:25:22.12 and they get angry, 00:25:22.15\00:25:23.52 they manifest the natural consequences of their... 00:25:23.55\00:25:28.06 of the deception they've received. 00:25:28.12\00:25:30.23 So, God is putting it out here... 00:25:30.29\00:25:31.86 He's telling us... "this is... " 00:25:31.89\00:25:33.40 it says, "God has put this in their hearts... " 00:25:33.43\00:25:34.96 it means God... 00:25:35.00\00:25:36.33 we make decisions and choices against God 00:25:36.36\00:25:38.80 but God can still use us to fulfill His will. 00:25:38.83\00:25:41.37 Pharaoh was still used of God 00:25:41.40\00:25:43.10 even though he totally rejected God, 00:25:43.14\00:25:44.47 he was still used of God to fulfill God's will 00:25:44.51\00:25:46.88 and as an instrument... 00:25:46.91\00:25:49.51 where God could manifest His glory 00:25:49.54\00:25:51.01 and deliver His people out of Egypt 00:25:51.05\00:25:52.85 and then it says, and I'm just... 00:25:52.88\00:25:54.65 I'm moving through this because we've got two minutes left, 00:25:54.68\00:25:56.82 "And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, 00:25:56.85\00:26:00.29 which reigns over the kings of the earth. " 00:26:00.32\00:26:02.69 So the woman is that great city. 00:26:02.72\00:26:04.89 That was split up... it was divided into three parts, 00:26:04.93\00:26:08.40 Dragon, Beast, False Prophet. 00:26:08.43\00:26:11.27 So, basically, Revelation chapter 17, 00:26:11.30\00:26:14.74 is an explanation of why God is bringing these plagues, 00:26:14.77\00:26:19.64 why God is bringing these judgments 00:26:19.67\00:26:21.04 and the explanation takes us all the way back to Babylon, 00:26:21.08\00:26:24.35 Medo Persia, Greece, Rome... 00:26:24.38\00:26:26.11 what it's telling us... is that God has been longsuffering 00:26:26.15\00:26:30.19 toward thee in grace... and we haven't changed... 00:26:30.22\00:26:32.42 we're still selfish, we're still self-seeking, 00:26:32.45\00:26:34.59 we're still self-exalting, we're still magnifying ourselves 00:26:34.62\00:26:37.06 that's why we support the dragon and the beast, 00:26:37.09\00:26:40.76 we say, "Satan wants to sit on the sides of the north... " 00:26:40.80\00:26:43.40 we do... Hmmm... 00:26:43.43\00:26:44.90 We say, "Satan's the one that wants to take God's place" 00:26:44.93\00:26:46.94 but Adam and Eve were tempted and... 00:26:47.00\00:26:48.80 "You'll be like Gods... " so we bit into it. 00:26:48.84\00:26:51.64 That has been instilled in us from the fall 00:26:51.67\00:26:54.34 and God wants to remove it 00:26:54.38\00:26:55.91 because to be like God 00:26:55.94\00:26:57.38 is not to be self-seeking and self-exalting, 00:26:57.45\00:26:59.38 to be like God is to be selfless... other-centered 00:26:59.41\00:27:01.98 and so God is seeking to restore us to that eventual image. 00:27:02.02\00:27:05.92 Daniel 2... you know... in Daniel 2... 00:27:05.95\00:27:07.92 when a stone is cut out without hands 00:27:07.96\00:27:09.29 and strikes the image on the feet, we're not told why. 00:27:09.32\00:27:11.43 We're just like... "that's strange... " 00:27:11.46\00:27:14.06 everything from Daniel 2 onward... 00:27:14.10\00:27:17.10 the prophetic chapters... is answering that question, 00:27:17.13\00:27:19.47 this is why... the... 00:27:19.53\00:27:21.54 Daniel 7... "Oh... a little horn" 00:27:21.57\00:27:24.31 Daniel 8... "Oh, he does what?" 00:27:24.34\00:27:27.34 Daniel 11... and you go on... 00:27:27.38\00:27:30.35 Revelation... a whole book of Revelation... 00:27:30.38\00:27:31.71 is just showing, "Hey, let me show you why 00:27:31.75\00:27:33.08 that stone comes... " 00:27:33.11\00:27:34.45 Yeah, all these chapters on judgment... 00:27:34.48\00:27:37.09 we think, "Why... why so many chapters on judgment? 00:27:37.12\00:27:39.45 Is God really mad?" No... 00:27:39.49\00:27:40.82 every one of them unfolds a different perspective 00:27:40.86\00:27:42.72 of why it is... these judgments are coming. 00:27:42.76\00:27:45.26 It gives us another insight to the reasons. 00:27:45.29\00:27:47.80 I know people are going to have questions, 00:27:47.83\00:27:50.00 this is a tough chapter. 00:27:50.03\00:27:51.37 And that's exactly why they should send it to: 00:27:51.40\00:27:53.40 sss@3abn. org 00:27:53.44\00:27:55.74 Amen, so send your questions in... 00:27:55.77\00:27:57.51 we look forward to our next Program together, 00:27:57.54\00:27:59.34 Revelation 18 next. 00:27:59.37\00:28:00.71