So we are now in Revelation 15,
we're just moving right along.
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We just left one of
the most amazing chapters
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of the Book of
Revelation, Revelation 14,
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the 144,000...
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that follow the
Lamb wherever He goes...
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the everlasting gospel
that summarizes with those
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who keep the gift of
the commandments of God
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and the faith of Jesus,
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beautiful stuff and
then harvest of the earth
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so now in Revelation chapter 15
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and we're going
to be looking here
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at some... I think some thoughts
that are going to tie us
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or take us right
into Revelation 16
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so 15 and 16 are kind of
going to... kind of go together,
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Ivor: 15 is the introductory
vision of chapter 16,
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yeah, basically.
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James: Yes, and then there's
a song of Moses and the Lamb.
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it's kind of an aside
but we still need to...
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it's... the song
of Moses the Lamb
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is going to be kind of a summary
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of the everlasting gospel
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you'll see that
connection real quick
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so, Jason, pray for us
and we'll jump right in...
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Jason: Sure,
"Dear Heavenly Father,
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we ask that you would
please send your Holy Spirit
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to be with us... to lead
and guide us into all truth,
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be with our Viewers as well
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as we partake in this
wonderful study of your Word,
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in Jesus' name we pray, amen. "
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All: "Amen. "
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So, Yvonne, can you
read for us Revelation 15
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verses 1 through... I'm going
to say, verses 1 through 4.
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Yvonne: Okay, "Then I
saw another sign in heaven,
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great and marvelous,
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seven angels having
the seven last plagues;
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for in them the
wrath of God is complete.
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And I saw something like the
sea of glass mingled with fire:
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and those who have the
victory over the beast,
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over his image,
and over his mark,
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and over the number of his name,
standing on the sea of glass,
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having harps of God.
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They sing the song of
Moses the servant of God,
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and the song of the Lamb,
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saying, Great and marvelous are
your works, Lord God Almighty;
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just and true are your
ways, O King of the saints.
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Who shall not fear you, O Lord,
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and glorify your name?
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for you alone are holy:
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for all nations shall
come and worship before you;
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for your judgments
have been manifested. "
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James: Okay, so,
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first verse introduces
the seven last plagues,
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the wrath of God...
the plagues of God...
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which is going to be
the subject of chapter 16,
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but then there's an aside,
there's a pause, if you will,
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and then in verses 2, 3
and 4, John goes back now
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and kind of summarizes
this everlasting gospel
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in the context of the
song of Moses and the Lamb,
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and the song of Moses
and the Lamb is very specific
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in relation to
Revelation 14 verse 7,
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now remember,
Revelation 14 verse 7...
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the message of the
everlasting gospel is:
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Fear God, give glory to Him,
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the hour of His judgment
is come and worship Him.
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Now notice, those four things,
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now notice those four
things here in verse 4,
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pause...
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verse 3 says,
"Who shall not... "
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that they sing a
song of Moses and the Lamb
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and then in verse 4 it
says, "Who shall not fear thee,
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and glorify thy name?
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for all nations
shall come and worship you;
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for your judgments
are made manifest. "
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Fear God... give glory to Him...
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the hour of His judgment
is come... and worship Him.
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See that?
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Ivor: And
notice, back in verse 2
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you have a few things.
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James: Okay, bring
that up, bring that up.
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Ivor: You have those who
got the victory over the beast,
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his image, the mark...
and the number of his name.
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The four things that we related
to the first four commandments.
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James: Yes! Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: It's like it's...
it's just poetic, as it were,
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picture... of those who are...
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remember the last six
commandments dealing with man...
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but the first
four... dealing with God,
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you have these...
these sets of four,
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right, and this is what Moses...
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and this is what John the
Revelator is bringing out here
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as he connects four... four...
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those who
overcome these four things
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by doing these four things.
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James: And just for our
Viewers' sake, for those who...
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who may not see the
"four connection... "
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in a previous program
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we connected those
four aspects of overcoming
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to the first four commandments,
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that was
beautiful, powerful stuff.
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Yvonne: So the song of Moses
would be a song of deliverance
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from bondage, is that...?
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Ivor: Exactly, so
when you think about the...
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when did they
sing the song of Moses
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back in the Old Testament?
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James: After
they came through...
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Ivor: After they came...
after they were delivered
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by the blood of the Lamb,
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they crossed the Red Sea,
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and when they get
on the other side,
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it's the song of Moses.
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James: "I will
sing unto the Lord,
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for He has triumphed gloriously:
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the horse and his rider
hath he thrown into the sea. "
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Yes, yeah, so, those
who sing the song of Moses...
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is really simple... are
the ones that cross over.
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When Jesus comes
again, the skies part
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just like the Red Sea
parted and the "Divine Moses"
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the Moses of Heaven...
Jesus... the deliverer...
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comes and He leads
us through the skies,
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we get to the other side,
and we sing the song of Moses.
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James: And He comes as
the White Horse Rider...
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and the three other
horses of Revelation 6,
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the black horse... the
red horse of persecution...
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the black horse of compromise
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and the pale horse of
death... destroying our faith
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are all conquered by Christ.
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Ivor: That's right...
James: The white horse rider,
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we're connected with the
white horse so the rider...
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the horse and its rider
has been thrown into the sea
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the multitudes and peoples
and nations of this earth...
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the seas that the whore sits on
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and we'll talk about
that a little bit more...
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have been conquered by Christ.
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Ivor: Yes. Yvonne: Amen.
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James: So the
picture is all there...
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the song of
Moses is all there...
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the symbolism of that
all comes down to our time
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delivered by the
blood of the Lamb.
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Ivor: That's right.
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James: It's a beautiful
picture. Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: And so, as we get through
now to Revelation chapter 15
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and verses 5 through 8,
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there's something
that's taking place here,
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Jason, can you read
those verses for us?
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Jason: Sure, "And after
that I looked, and behold,
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the temple of the tabernacle
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of the testimony
in heaven was opened:
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And the seven angels
came out of the temple,
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having the seven plagues,
clothed in pure and white linen,
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and having their breasts
girded with golden girdles.
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And one of the four beasts
gave unto the seven angels
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seven golden vials
full of the wrath of God,
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who liveth for ever and ever. "
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And you said to
eight? James: Yes.
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Jason: Okay, "And the
temple was filled with smoke
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from the glory of
God, and from his power;
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and no man was able
to enter into the temple,
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till the seen plagues of the
seven angels were fulfilled. "
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James: All right, so here
is a more detailed picture
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of the wrath of God
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being prepared to be
poured out on to the earth
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and one of the key
points here in relation to this
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is that the temple
is filled with smoke
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and no man can
enter into the temple,
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Jesus Christ is in the
heavenly temple right now,
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He's in the Most Holy
Place of the heavenly Sanctuary,
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and He is mediating for us there
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so, right now,
according to Hebrews 4,
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we can come with
boldness to the throne of grace
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where we can find
grace and mercy in this time
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and help in our time of need.
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We can enter into
the temple by faith
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but when probation closes,
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when the plagues
begin to be poured out,
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when there is no more mediation,
when the gospel's gone,
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everyone's made a decision and
the earth is being harvested,
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in that time, no man
can enter into the temple
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that's what
this is referring to,
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it's referring to a time when we
no longer have an intercessor,
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when we no longer can
enter into that temple,
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the High Priest
has exited the temple
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and He's
returning for His people.
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Ivor: Some good point-out, I
want to add something to that
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in a... this is a good verse
that actually lets us know that
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you know...
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people don't die and
go to heaven right now,
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right, it is not until
the plagues are poured out,
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Jesus comes again
to redeem His people
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that, as a whole,
humanity enters the temple,
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we know that there
are exceptions of course,
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Jesus... the 24 Elders...
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but as a whole, we're
talking about humanity
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and we will be able
to enter that temple
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when Jesus comes again
to deliver us from our sins,
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okay, or deliver us from...
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He's already
delivered us from our sins
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but to deliver
us from our enemies
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so, that's number one,
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number two, these angels
that come out of the tabernacle,
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the temple of the
tabernacle of the testimony,
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meaning, they come out
of the Most Holy Place.
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Now that's significant...
the seven plagues...
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are... the angels
of the seven plagues
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are seen coming out
of the Most Holy Place.
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Why? well, it is because those
people who receive the plagues,
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are the ones that
rejected the contents
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of the Ark of the Covenant.
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James: Okay, Gotcha...
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Ivor: There's the Mercy
Seat... there's the Law...
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they rejected God's Law,
they rejected God's mercy
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and as a result of that
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the curse is
being poured out on them
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written in the book...
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and that's how it was in
the Old Testament, you know,
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God said, "Hey, if you
don't follow these laws...
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the curse that is written...
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the curse that's
written in the book
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will be poured out
upon you. " Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: When we look at
Revelation chapter 15,
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where it's located...
remember what we have covered
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from Revelation 1 onward,
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in Revelation
chapters 1 through 11,
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we have the seven
churches, the seven seals,
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the seven trumpets,
where are they unfolding?
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They're all
unfolding in the Holy Place,
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the Seven-branched Candlestick,
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Table of
Shewbread, Altar of Incense,
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we get to Revelation 11:19,
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we're brought into
the Most Holy Place,
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the temple is opened...
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the temple being opened reflects
the entering in, as it were,
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the opening up of
the Most Holy Place
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now, the Most Holy
Place was opened twice
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on the Day of
Atonement, two major times,
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once when the
High Priest entered
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and once when he
was exiting, right,
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in other words,
the exiting symbolized
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the closing of his ministry
on the Day of Atonement,
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the entering
signified the opening
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so in Revelation
11:19, you have the opening,
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in Revelation 15, He
sees it opened one more time
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this time, He's coming out okay,
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and at the end of
the Day of Atonement,
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those who did not
participate in the work...
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in the Old Testament,
those who did not participate
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were cut off from the people,
this is what's happening,
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in other words, the
entire book of Revelation
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is following the pattern of the,
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"Keep the Sanctuary
service throughout the year... "
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so towards the end of
the year... Day of Atonement,
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at the end of that day,
the wicked were cut off,
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this was happening
in Revelation chapter 15
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the angel comes out,
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the angels come out
of the Most Holy Place
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having the plagues
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and this is about
to be the judgment
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from 15 on... chapter
16... 17... 18... 19...
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all you're seeing is
judgment upon the wicked.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... so at this point
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everyone will
have had an opportunity
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to choose which side they're on
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when probation closes,
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that means that
everyone has chosen,
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is that correct?
Ivor: Absolutely.
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James: Yeah, in fact, let's look
at a couple of verses on that
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toward the end
of the book because
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what Ivor's just explaining
is that really these chapters...
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these next chapters that
we're going to be reading
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are all basically one message
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and the one message
that they're giving us
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from different angles
is justice... judgment...
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plagues... wrath... and
we need to define wrath...
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we need to define justice
because justice and judgment are
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just as verily a
manifestation of God's love
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as is His mercy
and His forgiveness,
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so, if we look at this
from the perspective of the
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close of the book
and I just want to...
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us to fast forward
here to Revelation 22
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and look at a couple of verses
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in relation to the
question you asked,
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"Has everyone had an
opportunity, everyone had...?"
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so Revelation chapter 22,
Yvonne, read for us verse 11.
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Yvonne: Okay...
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James: 11 and 12...
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Yvonne: Okay, ooops...
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Jason: And by then...
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by not making a decision,
you've made your decision.
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Ivor: Right.
Yvonne: Right... right...
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"He who is unjust,
let him be unjust still:
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he who is filthy,
let him be filthy still:
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he who is righteous,
let him be righteous still:
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he who is holy,
let him be holy still.
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And, behold, I'm coming quickly;
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and my reward is
with me, to give every man
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according... to give every one
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according to his work. "
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James: Okay, now
these are really key verses
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to help us to understand
what we're going to go back now
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and look at... in
Revelation 15, 16, 17, 18, 19...
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so there are two things here
that we need to grab ahold of
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as this book closes out,
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number one is, when Jesus
looks out on the whole world,
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in relation to the
close of probation,
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He says, "You know what?
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It wouldn't
matter if we continued
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this message of mercy and love
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for another year or
another month or another week
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or another day, or another hour,
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he that is just... is
going to be just still...
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he's already made his
decision, he's not switching,
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he that is holy is
going to be holy still...
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he's already made his decision,
he's not going to sway,
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and those that are unjust
are going to remain unjust still
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they're not turning either,
they're settled in their...
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and those that are filthy are
going to remain filthy still...
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this is not a proclamation
that Christ is making
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in relation to
His determination,
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it is a proclamation He's making
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in relation to
our determination.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: A message
has gone to the world
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and it's lightened the
whole world with its glory,
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Revelation 18,
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and we're going to
look at that some more too
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because that also
boys up this idea,
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that's why, in the
middle of all these judgments,
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God reminds us,
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"Hey, remember, I lighten
the whole earth with my glory,
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I called
everyone out of Babylon,
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even my people were
called out of Babylon,
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everyone is making a
decision for or against,
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so "he that is holy
still... " if I continue to...
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and God will
only close probation
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when He can actually say this.
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"It doesn't matter if I
kept it open for another day,
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another hour, another
minute, another second,
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these guys have
made all their decisions,
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these guys have
made all their decisions,
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nothing's going to change,
might as well close it up. "
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Yvonne: I never
looked at it like that,
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I thought that
the Lord was saying,
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"wherever you
are... that's where... "
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but what He's saying is,
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"That's where you're going
to be by your determination. "
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James: Yes "and
nothing's going to change,
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so I'm going to come quickly
now I'm coming quickly. "
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And here's another
way of looking at that,
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God will not say this
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until everyone
has come to the place
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where they've made a
decision... that is irrevocable
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but God is not
going to say this see...
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if there's one soul that
has the opportunity to repent,
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and this is 2nd
Peter, which, by-the-way,
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2nd Peter chapter 3
is a prophetic chapter,
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it's an end-time chapter,
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and in 2nd Peter,
the question is asked,
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"Where's the
promise of your fathers?"
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Or the promise of our fathers
from the beginning... yeah,
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how come it's taking
so long? What... what...?
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And the answer is given,
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"The Lord is
longsuffering toward us,
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not willing
that any would perish
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but that all would
come to repentance. "
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So, a day with the
Lord is like a year
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and a thousand
years is like a day
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and a day is
like a thousand years,
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with the Lord... time is
not an issue with the Lord,
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so, "I come quickly... "
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we say, "Oh, Christ has
been gone for 2,000 years. "
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Well, in
heaven... in heavenly time,
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He's been gone for two days...
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just a couple of
days because for Him,
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time is not the
issue, souls are the issue.
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But when He can come to
this place, where He can say,
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"There's no one
that's going to change...
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then I'm coming, I'm just...
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I'm not even holding back now,
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I am out of
here... I'm down there...
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there's no
reason for me to wait. "
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Ivor: And what's
interesting, James, is that,
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in Daniel 12:2... 12:1...
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it talks about
Michael standing up,
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like, okay, He's
getting ready to come,
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okay, but what is it
that leads so many people
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to make that
irrevocable decision?
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It's an over-mastering delusion,
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it's something that
totally convinces them
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"yeah, this is it,"
you see what I'm saying?
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and so that
decision, in other words,
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when we get put into that time
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that is going to
be like no other time,
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the decision... the
deception will be so great
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that the whole world
has made up their mind.
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Those that are for it
and those that are against it
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and so, that's the
reason why even in Daniel 2,
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the stone that is
cut out without hands...
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it smites the image on
the feet, that's why...
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it doesn't smite it on the head,
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it doesn't smite...
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it's something that occurs
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within the feet
of Daniel chapter 2,
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that says, "Okay, stone,
it's time that you are...
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you are sent... "
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we'll go more through that when
we get into the book of Daniel
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but, you kind of begin to
pull all... and begin to see...
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"Hmmm... that's why
the stone is cut out,
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aaah, that's why
Michael stands up... "
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because of what
happens just before...
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the counterfeit
comes before the genuine.
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James: And as we
were talking about this
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in the program that we
thought should have been taped
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in our conversation here,
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we were talking about how
even though that's the case,
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it's our little decisions
today that lead up to that
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so, in 2nd Thessalonians,
another prophetic chapter,
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it says that the reason
why we're going to be deceived
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is because we don't
receive the love of the truth
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that we might be saved,
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therefore, strong delusion
comes and when it says...
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it says, "God
sends strong delusions,"
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it's not talking
about God being the One...
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it's talking
about God allowing...
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because Satan
has a certain space
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that he's allowed to
operate in, God allows that
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and the only reason we're
deceived by this deception
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is because we receive
not the love of the truth
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that we might be saved
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so, that's where
in our personal lives,
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day by day, when
the truth comes to us,
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when light comes to us,
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in fact, that takes us
right into Revelation 16.
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In Revelation 16,
there's one of the plagues...
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I'm going to jump
forward to this plague
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and I'm going to back up,
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but there's one of the plagues
here... that is darkness...
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now I want us to read,
Jason, can you read for us
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Revelation
chapter 16 and look at...
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read verses... verse 10.
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Jason: Verse 10, "And
the fifth angel poured out
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his vial upon the
seat of the beast;
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and his kingdom
was full of darkness;
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and they gnawed
their tongues for pain... "
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James: Now, quickly, the
wrath of God is not necessarily
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God arbitrarily inflicting
but He's pulling back...
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and He's allowing us
to reap the consequences
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it looks like God is doing it
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but that's because God's angels
are holding back the four winds
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in Revelation 7,
so we see this...
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as we understand
what's happening right here...
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for example,
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the kingdom of the
beast is immersed in darkness
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and it's so dark that they
gnaw their tongues for pain,
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well, what's this
darkness all about?
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Well, go back to John
chapter 3 and verse 16
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and this is the most
precious verse of the Bible,
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John 3:16, and
people are familiar with it
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but we want to read a little
bit further on from John 3:16,
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we want to read verses
17 and go all the way down
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in John 3 to verse...
let's see... verse 20...
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so let's read verse 17 onward.
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Yvonne, can you
read those for us?
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"For God did not send
his Son into the world
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to condemn the world;
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but that the world
through him might be saved.
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He who believes in
him is not condemned:
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but he who does not
believe is condemned already,
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because he has not believed
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in the name of the
only begotten Son of God.
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And this is the condemnation,
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that light has
come into the world,
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and men loved
darkness rather than light,
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because their deeds were evil.
00:19:58.93\00:20:00.40
For every one
practicing evil hates the light,
00:20:00.43\00:20:03.77
and doesn't come to the light,
00:20:03.80\00:20:05.17
lest his deeds
should be exposed. "
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James: And verse 21.
00:20:08.74\00:20:10.07
Yvonne: "But he who does
the truth comes to the light,
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that his deeds
may be clearly seen,
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that they have
been done in God. "
00:20:15.51\00:20:17.65
James: Okay, so
there's this picture
00:20:17.68\00:20:19.75
that Jesus is giving to us...
00:20:19.78\00:20:21.12
the condemnation is
the rejection of light
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and the embracing of darkness
00:20:23.85\00:20:25.29
so when the wrath
of God is manifest,
00:20:25.32\00:20:28.02
Romans 1 says,
"God... " three times it says,
00:20:28.09\00:20:30.86
God gives us up,
God gives us up...
00:20:30.89\00:20:32.53
God gives us over...
00:20:32.56\00:20:34.30
so God gives us over to
the things that we've chosen,
00:20:34.33\00:20:37.00
God is honoring
our choice in the end,
00:20:37.03\00:20:39.47
right now He's
unwilling to do that,
00:20:39.50\00:20:41.34
He's not willing
that any would perish
00:20:41.37\00:20:43.14
and so He's...
He's... He's pleading with us
00:20:43.20\00:20:45.51
kind of like we
do with our kids,
00:20:45.54\00:20:47.41
like, oh we're
praying and pleading
00:20:47.44\00:20:49.31
and pleading and praying
because we want them to come...
00:20:49.34\00:20:52.11
you know what I'm
saying? You can relate to that?
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Parents... grandparents...
00:20:53.78\00:20:55.42
and so, but eventually when
my kids get to a certain age,
00:20:55.45\00:20:59.05
I have to honor
them, they're adults,
00:20:59.09\00:21:01.22
"Dad, I'm an adult... and
I can make my own decisions"
00:21:01.26\00:21:04.79
and... and so I have to...
00:21:04.86\00:21:07.03
and God comes to the place
where He honors our decision
00:21:07.06\00:21:09.53
He can't force us into heaven
00:21:09.56\00:21:11.23
and so, they've
embraced darkness.
00:21:11.27\00:21:13.20
They didn't want the light,
and so... when they back...
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Ivor: They get darkness...
James: They get darkness...
00:21:15.60\00:21:17.94
okay...
00:21:17.97\00:21:19.31
Ivor: In Revelation
16:2... the first plague
00:21:19.34\00:21:22.38
it actually
speaks of... it says,
00:21:22.41\00:21:26.11
"The first angel went out
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and poured out his
vial upon the earth;
00:21:29.55\00:21:30.92
and there fell a noisome
and grievous sore upon the men
00:21:30.99\00:21:33.49
which had the mark of the beast,
00:21:33.52\00:21:34.86
and upon them which
worshipped the image. "
00:21:34.89\00:21:36.76
So, they're receiving
this plague in their flesh
00:21:36.79\00:21:40.66
all right, it's
almost as if God is saying,
00:21:40.70\00:21:42.90
"All right, you
desire the flesh...
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pause...
00:21:44.47\00:21:46.23
you desire the flesh...
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this is the consequence
of trusting in the flesh,
00:21:47.80\00:21:50.71
right, so, fifth plague...
00:21:50.74\00:21:53.11
"You wanted darkness...
okay, here's darkness... "
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first plague,
"You wanted flesh...
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you trusted in the flesh...
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this is the result
of trusting in the flesh
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each of these
plagues we see go through...
00:22:02.68\00:22:05.52
in fact... one of them...
I think is plague number 3,
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let's read it, yeah.
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James: All right Jason, read
verses... verse 8... 8 and 9...
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"And the fourth angel poured
out his vial upon the sun;
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and power was given unto
him to scorch men with fire.
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And men were
scorched with great heat,
00:22:25.61\00:22:27.91
and blasphemed the name of God,
00:22:27.94\00:22:29.34
which hath power
over these plagues:
00:22:29.38\00:22:31.45
and they repented
not to give him glory. "
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James: All right, what does
that what is that telling you?
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The sun...
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Ivor: The sun...
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James: What did men
want? Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: What were
they worshipping?
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Yvonne: The sun...
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Ivor: They were
worshipping the sun...
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James: Sun worship... Sunday.
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Ivor: Yeah, "Here's
the sun... " All: Hmmm...
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James: So we're given
as... God's giving you over...
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you got the plague on the waters
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and on the rivers...
the turning into blood...
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Ivor: "You spill the
blood of the prophets... "
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James: God is giving
them blood to drink...
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Ivor: Yeah, verse 5... "I heard
the angel of the waters say,
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Thou art righteous, O Lord,
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which art, and
wast, and shall be... "
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remember that term...
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"because thou has judged thus.
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For they have shed the blood
of the saints and prophets,
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and thou has given them blood
to drink; for they are worthy. "
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This is the plague
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where the drinking
waters are turned to blood.
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James: It's consequential...
these plagues are consequential
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in other words,
they're not arbitrary...
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God is simply handing us
over to things we've chosen,
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He's honoring our choices,
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"We want darkness,
we want sun worship,
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we want to spill
other people's blood,
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we want to trust
in the flesh... "
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here are the
consequences of all of that.
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Yvonne: Wow!
James: Yeah... Ivor: Yeah.
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James: So it's really important
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for us to
understand this principle
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when it comes
to the wrath of God
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because sometimes we look
at God in an arbitrary sense,
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we don't look at Him as... as...
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now, recognize this
though this is still punishment
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God could just... He could
just make all of this go away,
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but He doesn't... He
treats us as human beings
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not as animals...
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He recognizes
that we do have choice
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that we have made choices
and He honors those choices
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and that's to treat us as
human beings with free choice.
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Ivor: Now I'll tell
you, the sixth plague
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is, to me, one of
the best plagues ever
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and let me tell you why.
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James: Yeah, please do...
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Yvonne: That's an oxymoron,
right, that's an oxymoron.
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Ivor: I love this plague...
so Revelation 16:12, right,
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says, "The sixth
angel poured out his vial
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upon the great river Euphrates;
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and the water
thereof was dried up,
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that the way of the kings of
the east might be prepared. "
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James: Hmmm...
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Ivor: So, we have to go
back to the Old Testament
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to figure out what's
going on here, right,
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and this is the
story of Cyrus, right,
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who dried up the river Euphrates
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and the purpose of
the river's drying up,
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God's purpose was to
set the captives free.
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James: I love it.
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Ivor: Okay, so,
this is so interesting...
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the Bible says that Cyrus
would descend into the deep
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so, Isaiah 44 verse
16, I believe it is,
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he would descend into the
deep and he would open the gates
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and the gates would not be shut,
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end of Isaiah 44,
beginning of Isaiah 45...
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you know what
Jesus did on the cross?
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He descended into the deep and
opened the gates of the grave
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to provide a way
of escape from death,
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so this 6th plague is
actually a plague on death.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: It's a plague on
death, in fact, in Hosea
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chapter 13, let's
find that very quickly,
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Hosea chapter 13 verse 14.
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James: And as
you're going there,
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"Thus saith of
Cyrus, He is my shepherd,
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he'll perform all my pleasure:
even saying to Jerusalem,
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Thou shalt be
built; and to the temple,
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Thy foundation shall be laid. "
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James: Jerusalem is
the heavenly Jerusalem,
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it's got... it
includes God's people
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so Cyrus has come to
deliver us to build us.
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Ivor: Not only that,
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but he is the one that allowed
the Jews to go to Jerusalem.
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Guess what
Jesus is coming to do?
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He's drying up the deep,
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He's opening the
gates of the graves,
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to set His people free
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so that they can go to
the heavenly Jerusalem.
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Look at Hosea 13 verse 14.
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Jason: Okay, "I will ransom them
from the power of the grave;
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I will redeem them from death:
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O death, I will be thy plagues;
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O grave, I will
be thy destruction:
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repentance shall be
hid from mine yes. "
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Ivor: Yes, yes, yes,
yes, this is... this is God
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because the very next plague,
the seventh plague, it is done,
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right, so this plague, you know,
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it's the plague on death
itself. James: I love it.
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Ivor: It's a
plague on death itself.
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Is it your
favorite plague? Yes...
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the last enemy that
shall be destroyed is death.
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James: Which verse?
Ivor: 1st Corinthians...
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Yvonne: So each of these
plagues addresses an enemy.
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Ivor: That's right.
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Yvonne: Huh, so, when it
talks about the wrath of God
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and the winepress,
back in... Revelation 14:19.
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Ivor: Oh, by-the-way, I'm sorry,
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let me add this in here because
I know we're running out of time
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remember how we talked about
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the three unclean
spirits like frogs,
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they're
counterfeiting the plague...
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they're
counterfeiting this resurrection
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so that's why it
comes right after...
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John says, "I saw
three unclean spirits. "
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They're about to
counterfeit this miracle.
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Yvonne: Wow! we got to pick
this up in our next program.
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Ivor: Yeah.
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James: We are running
out of time. Ivor: Yes.
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James: You need to
let our Viewers know
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how they can get ahold of
us if they have any questions.
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Jason: They should send their
questions to: sss@3abn. org
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James: sss@3abn. org
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yeah, this is... we'll
pick up where we left off here
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because we'll just
finish this chapter
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and then we'll jump
into Revelation chapter 17,
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it's going to be a good one.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
yeah. James: Good.
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