We're still in
Revelation chapter 14,
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we have been looking
at this beautiful message
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that we describe as
the everlasting gospel...
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or the Bible describes
it as the everlasting gospel
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it is... what we describe
as "The Three Angels' Messages"
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Three Angels'
Broadcasting Network...
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Yvonne: Yes... absolutely, yes.
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James: These messages
and this is where it's based
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and we've been... as
we've been going through this
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we've been realizing
that the everlasting gospel
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is here to
counteract the counterfeit...
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the counterfeit is
the wine of Babylon
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and when the gospel's
preached, Babylon falls.
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We could spend days trying
to identify what Babylon is,
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we could look at
all the counterfeits
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and try to figure them all out,
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but what God is telling us is,
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"No, focus on the
everlasting gospel,
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focus on the genuine... "
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and when you
focus on the genuine...
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and when that is
proclaimed, guess what happens?
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Babylon falls.
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The genuine brings
down the counterfeit
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so that's been our focus,
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to focus on the genuine
so the counterfeit falls.
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We're going to go
all the way down now...
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well, we're not going
to go all the way down,
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we left off at around verse 12
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and we're going to
be looking at this verse
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in relation to the commandments
of God and the faith of Jesus
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and so, we want to
start with a word of prayer
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and then we want to just
jump right into our study,
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Yvonne, would you pray for us?
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Yvonne: Sure, "Oh
Lord God, we just thank you
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so very much that
we can open your Word
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and learn just what's
going to happen, Lord,
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and learn of your love
because this whole book
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is a book of love
so we thank you so much
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so we pray for your Spirit
to enlighten and illuminate
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your Word and help us to be able
to apply its truth to our lives
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we pray in Jesus' name, amen. "
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All: "Amen. "
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Okay, verse 12, Jason,
would you read that for us?
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Jason: 14 verse 12... sure.
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"Here is the
patience of the saints:
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here are they that keep
the commandments of God,
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and the faith of Jesus. "
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James: Okay, now,
there's something really key
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in this verse...
as you read it...
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you're going to
find the key word
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that will help us to
understand this truth.
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This verse is a
summation, really,
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of the everlasting gospel.
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The everlasting gospel
has produced this people
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and this people... the
word is, "Keep... keep... "
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would you keep this for me?
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Yvonne: Sure...
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James: There... so in order
for you to keep that pen for me,
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right, I have to give it to you.
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Yvonne: Right. James: Right...
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so something that is kept
is something that's been given
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okay, so, when they
keep the commandments of God
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and they keep
the faith of Jesus,
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the obvious
understanding of that is...
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is that the commandments
of God have been given to them
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and the faith of Jesus
has been given to them.
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It's not
something they've earned,
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it's not something
that they've manufactured,
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it's something that
has actually been handed
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and they're just
keeping it, they're keeping it.
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That's what the
everlasting gospel proposes...
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is that the commandments
of God and the faith of Jesus
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is part of this gospel gift.
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The faith of Jesus... actually,
in a sense, is the gospel
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because the faith of Jesus,
think about this phrase...
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the faith of Jesus...
not the "faith in Jesus,"
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because that comes as a
result of the faith of Jesus
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so, it could be understood
as... as part of the parcel
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but the faith of Jesus is
the faith He exercises toward us
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and the simplest way to
explain that is: Calvary.
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On the cross, Jesus Christ died
for the sins of the entire world
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and in that sense,
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He was exercising
faith in the entire world,
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He was saying,
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"I'm going to pay the
price for every single sinner...
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every single
sin, that's my faith.
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I believe that
everyone will respond...
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that everyone should be
included in this gift of love. "
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Ivor: That's good because
you're talking about "Keep"
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it's like God is
saying, "Hold this for me,"
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you know, "Hey,
would you hold this?"
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and we say, "Yes, Lord,
we'll hold it for you. "
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James: Hmmm...
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Ivor: And Satan's going
to come along and be like,
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"Hey, what is
that, can I see that?
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Can I borrow it?
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I just want to hold it for
a second... can I just...?"
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"No, you can't hold this,
God has asked me to keep it"
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you know what I'm saying?
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"He's entrusted this to me... "
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and that's what he's going to
want to do at the end of time.
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James: "But I got
something else for you...
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I got something
else here for you
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you're not going to be able
to hold both of them though,
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you're going to
have to let go of that,
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I can hold that for you
for a while... just let me... "
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Ivor: "Let me check
it out for a moment... "
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take it away...
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Jason: That...
the whole thing is...
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the "faith of
Jesus" is very interesting
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because when
you look at it like,
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Christ's leadership is
just absolutely amazing
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so, my Uncle
Arthur... Uncle Arthur...
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always says like,
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"You don't lead
where you don't go
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and you don't teach
what you don't know. "
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And so, Christ is
setting the bar...
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He's setting the precedence...
coming down, having faith
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that the world will
receive what He's giving
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and reciprocate that and
so, we're called to die to self
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and to honor God and
keep His commandments
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but He took that... He
takes that chance on us...
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He spared no expense...
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He risked everything
and came down here for us
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and He leads by example.
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James: And so, He
exercised supreme faith
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toward the human race
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and when we see the
faith of Jesus toward us,
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it motivates us to
respond, we respond in like...
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now, one of the way we respond
is we exercise faith in Him
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so He's
exercising faith toward us,
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we exercise faith in Him
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but we also exercise
faith toward other people
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the way He
exercises faith toward us
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and toward other people.
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Christ is exercising
faith toward the world
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and dying for the world
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and when we accept
that faith of Jesus,
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that means, we
have the faith of Jesus,
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the faith that He
had toward the world
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is the faith that we
have toward the world
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so it causes us
to think about people
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and to treat people differently.
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Yvonne: Would this not
also... the "faith of Jesus... "
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would this not also
vindicate the Father's character
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because Jesus had
faith in the Father,
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He had to... because He
was laying down His life
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and if the Father
didn't raise Him up...
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or if He... "In Him was life...
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it was
unborrowed... underived... "
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but He had to have
faith in the Father...
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He said... He could
do nothing without Him
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and without
Christ... we can do nothing.
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James: Yes.
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Yvonne: So, would this not
also, "the faith of Jesus... "
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would it not also vindicate
the Father's character?
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He's not a vindictive,
wrathful, terrible God...
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He's a loving,
compassionate Father...
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and Jesus had
faith in His Father
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and He had faith in us.
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James: One of the verse
I want us to look at here,
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this one is found
in Romans chapter 3
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and just to get the context,
Paul is talking about the fact
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that no one is righteous,
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Jews and Gentiles
have all gone astray...
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they've all
turned away from God,
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there's none that
seeks God... no not one,
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all of us have come under
the condemnation of the Law,
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he says in verse 19 of Romans 3,
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"Now we know that what
things soever the law saith,
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it saith to them
who are under the law:
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that every mouth may be stopped,
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and all the world may
become guilty before God. "
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So, basically, he's
just laying us out...
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even religious people...
laying this out flat...
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none of us are any
better than anyone else, okay,
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and then He says, verse 20,
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"Therefore by
the deeds of the law
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shall no flesh be
justified in his sight:
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for by the law is
the knowledge of sin.
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But... " verse 21...
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"now the righteousness of God
without the law is manifested,
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being witnessed by
the law and the prophets;
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Even the righteousness of God
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which is by faith
of Jesus Christ... "
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the faith of Jesus Christ
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"unto all and upon
all them that believe:
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for there is no difference:
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For all have sinned, and come
short of the glory of God. "
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"Unto all... " that is the world
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"and upon all
those that believe... "
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so there's no difference
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between everyone else
and even those who believe,
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"all have sinned and have
come short of the glory of God"
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so it's not by the law...
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it's by the faith of Jesus
that we have this justification
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and justification is not
just the forgiveness of our sins
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"justification" in the Bible
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is also the fact
that we have life,
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justification of life,
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every breath we take,
comes through Calvary,
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the cross of Calvary
is stamped on every loaf
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and every water spring.
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So every breath we
take, every... every...
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everything we do in
life... the staunch Atheist,
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has life through Calvary
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and you can ask
yourself the question,
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"Well, if the... if life
comes to the staunch Atheist,
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if life comes to
every single human being
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whether they believe or not,
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through Calvary...
through the sacrifice of Calvary
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then what's the
difference between
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this life and eternal life?
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Because the sacrifice of Calvary
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was necessary to give us
this life... this temporal life,
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we think sometimes in terms of,
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"Well, Calvary's
cross gives us eternal life"
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No, Calvary's cross
gives us eternal life
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and Calvary's
cross gives us this life.
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Not just eternal
life... it gives us this life
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and when we understand
that, we recognize, "Whoa... "
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people say, "Well, I
don't believe in Christ... "
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"Well, He believes in you... "
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"What do you mean,
'He believes in me...?'"
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"Well, He died for you... "
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"Well, He died so I
could have eternal life
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but I'm not accepting that... "
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"It doesn't matter, He died
so you could have this life... "
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and that's the evidence
that He already loves you
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and He's already
done something for you. "
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And when we preach the gospel,
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we don't always
emphasize that point.
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James: But it's all
through the New Testament
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it's in the Old Testament too
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but it's all through the Bible,
it's all through the New...
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it says that we live and
move and have our being in Him
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and Paul was talking to people
who didn't believe in God.
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"The unknown god... " he said...
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"He's the One that
gives you life... "
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and he talks about how everyone
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has been given
a measure of faith
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and that Christ has taken the
sins of the whole world upon Him
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and he goes all
the way through...
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all of these arguments,
Paul brings to the table
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and he's bringing it to the
table right here in Romans 3.
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He says, "It's not through the
law that we have righteousness,
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it's through the faith of Jesus,
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and that is why, I believe,
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when we emphasize the
gospel, we need to start
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with the life we have right now
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because the only difference
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between this life
that we have right now
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and eternal life, is our choice.
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God is saying, "You see
the life you have right now,
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the life that you
have came through Calvary
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and I want it to
continue for all eternity
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and if you would
say, 'Yes' to me,
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this life will
continue it will get better,
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there'll be no more pain,
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there'll be no more
sorrow when the new earth comes,
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all the former things are
going to be wiped away... "
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so, it's not exactly the same,
it's just that the life itself,
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that fact that you have
life, that you're a person...
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that you feel love
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and you have these
desires for something better,
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all of that's going to continue
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in fact, I'd say it this
way and I love this thought,
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this life is given to
us so that we could find
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a moment... maybe 30 seconds,
maybe a minute... maybe longer,
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a moment in this life
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that we have a
memory... that we treasure,
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a moment where we felt
completely and totally happily,
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happy loved and
accepted, just a moment,
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think about... think
about your whole life
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think about that moment
where you were just like
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"Man, I wish I could just stay
in this moment for all eternity,
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this feeling right
here... forever... "
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that is a taste of
heaven... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: That is a taste of
heaven Yvonne: Hmmm... nice.
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James: Because that
moment that you have
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is what God...
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it's an earnest of what
God wants you to experience
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for all eternity,
you're going to...
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that's the way
you're going to feel
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and I can't even fathom
that, I'm like... "No... "
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I'm so used to it ending,
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like, "vacation is over,"
like, "love is dwindling,"
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like, "something is... " no...
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it's never going to end,
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the way you feel in
this moment right here,
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this is the happiest
moments of your life,
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will continue on forever...
that's a taste of heaven.
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Ivor: Hmmm... hmmm...
Yvonne: Wow! Man! wow.
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Ivor: Faith of Jesus.
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I think that as we look
at the faith of Jesus...
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James just explained
what the "faith of Jesus" is
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right, and so,
in Revelation 14:12,
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we're looking at
this in the context of
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the three
angels' messages, right,
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this is an end-time message
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so, why do we need the faith of
Jesus especially at this time?
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So we want to take
a look at that next,
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let's go to 1st
Peter chapter 1 verse 7.
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Let me ask you guys a question,
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"When do you
need faith the most?"
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Yvonne: Oh, wow!
that's a good question.
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Jason: We need it all
the time but in trying to...
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Ivor: We need it all the
time, where is it in your life,
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when people are like,
"Have faith, hold on... "
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James: What's your trial...
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Ivor: When you're going
through a trial... right,
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1st Peter 1:7, what does it say?
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Laughter...
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Yvonne: "That the
genuineness of your faith
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being much more precious
than gold that perishes,
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though it is tested by fire,
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may be found to
praise and honour
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and glory at the
revelation of Jesus Christ. "
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James: King James version says,
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"That the trial
of your faith... "
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Ivor: That's right,
"the trial of your faith...
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the trial of your faith," right,
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so the timing you
need faith the most,
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you need it all the time.
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The time you need
the most is in trial...
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is in trial, right,
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the Bible tells
us in Romans 10:17
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"faith comes by hearing... "
and "hearing by the word of God"
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so what does
"faith" really mean?
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It means, in trying times,
stand firm on the Word of God.
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James: Turn to the Word of God.
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Ivor: Turn to the Word of God...
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depend upon the
Word of God, okay,
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2nd Corinthians tells us
that faith comes... I'm sorry...
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it's... we just quoted that...
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2nd Corinthians
tells that we walk by faith
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and not by sight.
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Let's put that
all together, right,
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faith is not
depending upon what you see
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but the Word of God.
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Remember the condition
that's going to be created
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that we've been talking about in
the last three or four programs,
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an overwhelming visual
assault by Satan himself.
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Demons
impersonating dead loved ones,
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Satan impersonating
Christ, and Jesus says,
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"At this time, you're going
to need the faith of Jesus. "
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All right, so, Man!
the faith of Jesus...
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where can we find Jesus
going through a trial of His own
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that He needed faith?
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James: Definitely
in the wilderness.
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Ivor: In the
wilderness, now check this out,
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why in the wilderness?
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Well, see, in the wilderness,
Satan comes to Him three times,
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what does he begin with?
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What does he open up with?
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Yvonne: Appetite... James: If...
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Ivor: "If you are the Son of God
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because you sure don't
look like Him right now. "
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James: Right. Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: "You look like... " James:
"You're in the wilderness"
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Ivor: "Yeah, in the wilderness,
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this desolate place... does... "
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James: "You don't have any food
you don't have any water... "
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Ivor: "Yeah, look at you...
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by sight, you don't really look
like you're the Son of God. "
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What did Jesus do?
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see, the chapter
before the temptation...
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the Word of God
is spoken to Him...
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"This is my beloved son
in whom I'm well pleased. "
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Jesus had an option,
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He could
remember the Word of God
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or He could look
at His circumstances
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and in fact, I'm not
sure if I can do this
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but one of my favorite books
is "The Desire or Ages... "
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it talks about this
temptation in the wilderness,
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it says that when
Satan came to Jesus,
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he actually was
like, "You know what?
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I don't really know if
are who you say you are
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I'm from heaven... "
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James: He came as an angel
of light, 2nd Corinthians 11.
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Ivor: Yeah.
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James: He came as
an angel of light.
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Ivor: And basically said...
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James: He said that
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he gave Him the story
of the fall of Lucifer.
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Ivor: Yeah, and said,
"You might be Lucifer... "
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James: "You look like... "
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Ivor: "You look
like that angel. "
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James: "You must be that
angel that fell from heaven. "
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Ivor: "So, if you're
really the Son of God... "
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so, role
reversal... Yvonne: Wow!
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"You're the evil one... "
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all right, now,
Jesus... what did He do?
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He overcame those
three temptations, right?
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No problem, it was
just like, boom! right,
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because God was with Him.
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All right, now, let's go over
to John chapter 19 verse 12,
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now...
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Yvonne: But did he actually
think that... did Lucifer...
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I mean, did Satan actually
think that the Creator, Jesus,
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who... through Him
everything was created...
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would fall for that?
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James: Here's the deal...
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and here's the point
that Ivor is bringing out
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that I think is so
important for us to understand,
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we're looking at
"Jesus" and we're saying,
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"Well, Jesus... He
is the Messiah... "
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and we're not
realizing that He was a man
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and that Satan did think
that he could deceive Him
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into thinking this,
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he came in the
appearance of an angel of light,
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Christ is out in the wilderness,
seemingly forsaken of God...
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hasn't eaten for 40 days,
He has no water... no food...
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in other words, what
Ivor is bringing out here
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is that we can be
almost sure that we'll be okay,
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because we've got
the Word and we have...
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but we don't realize
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how overmastering
Satan's delusions can be
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he even tried this
on the Son of God...
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thinking that it could work
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and the only thing that
Jesus Christ could turn to
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was... Jesus didn't
say, "No, I'm... I'm... "
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He turned to the Word of God
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the only thing
He could turn to...
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so Christ is saying
to us with this example,
00:17:33.88\00:17:36.52
"You've got to be on the Word...
you've got to be on the Word. "
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Ivor: Exactly.
00:17:38.42\00:17:39.75
James: The woman who's
standing on the moon...
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Ivor: Yeah, you can't
trust your feelings or senses
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right, now, go to John 12 and
you've got a question for me,
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you were about to say
something, so go ahead,
00:17:48.96\00:17:50.37
but go to John 19... I'm
sorry, John 19 verses 12 to 14,
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go ahead and say what
you were going to say.
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Jason: Satan tried to use
the Word... but he twisted it...
00:17:55.57\00:17:58.51
Ivor: Exactly...
exactly... James: Yes.
00:17:58.57\00:17:59.94
Ivor: And I'm going to show
you something that's monumental.
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James: And he tried to
use this Plan of Redemption
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and he twisted it.
Ivor: That's right...
00:18:03.24\00:18:04.61
James: The
fall... and he twisted it.
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Ivor: Now, now go to the
Garden of Gethsemane, right,
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just before you read John
19, Garden of Gethsemane...
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Jesus is in the
garden and He is praying...
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He prays three times...
"Father if it be possible,
00:18:13.89\00:18:16.76
let this... " what?
"cup pass from me... "
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Does He get an answer?
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No...
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He prays the second
time, "What is this?
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I'm talking to my Father
and He's not answering me?"
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I mean, imagine,
your child coming to you,
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"Daddy... " and
you don't answer,
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right, now, He's in a situation
where He has not been...
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in the wilderness, He
had heard the voice of God,
00:18:39.28\00:18:43.49
"This is my beloved Son... "
00:18:43.52\00:18:44.85
now, He's being told...
He has to drink this cup...
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all right, so this is the
beginning of His ultimate trial
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and watch this... John 19...
read it for me, verses 12 to 14.
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Jason: "And from thenceforth
Pilate sought to release him:
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but the Jews cried out, saying,
00:19:00.40\00:19:02.10
If thou let this man go,
thou art not Caesar's friend:
00:19:02.14\00:19:06.14
whosoever maketh himself a
king speaketh against Caesar.
00:19:06.17\00:19:10.15
When Pilate
therefore heard that saying,
00:19:10.18\00:19:13.35
he brought Jesus forth,
00:19:13.42\00:19:14.92
and sat down in
the judgment seat
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in a place that is
called the Pavement,
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but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha. "
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Ivor: Okay, so, Gabbatha...
it means, "an exalted place... "
00:19:22.09\00:19:25.59
the Pavement is actually
translated as "stone floor"
00:19:25.63\00:19:28.40
stone floor... all
right... check this out...
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here is Jesus...
standing before someone's seat,
00:19:32.93\00:19:38.21
He's standing on
stones... going to be judged...
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why? For
claiming to be like God,
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does that ring a bell?
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Was there
an angel in heaven
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who stood on a stone floor,
who was cast out and judged
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because he
claimed to be like God?
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Yeah, there was...
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I want you to see
what's going on here,
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Satan is about to wage
the most psychological...
00:20:06.77\00:20:10.57
James: battle against
Christ. Ivor: against Christ...
00:20:10.61\00:20:12.57
James: He's already
put the seed in there...
00:20:12.61\00:20:14.11
Ivor: Because now, think
about how Lucifer is described,
00:20:14.14\00:20:16.98
think about some of the
things that's said about Lucifer
00:20:17.01\00:20:19.65
like in Ezekiel 28,
"claimed to be God... "
00:20:19.68\00:20:22.02
"you weakened the nations... "
00:20:22.05\00:20:23.39
what did they accuse Christ of?
00:20:23.42\00:20:24.85
"You're
weakening the nations... "
00:20:24.89\00:20:26.39
James: "Claiming to be
God... you're Beelzebub... "
00:20:26.42\00:20:28.39
Ivor: "You're Beelzebub...
you're working by Beelzebub... "
00:20:28.42\00:20:30.36
the Bible says of Lucifer...
00:20:30.39\00:20:31.96
that he will be cast
out of the Holy Mountain...
00:20:31.99\00:20:33.86
the Holy Mountain is Jerusalem,
00:20:33.90\00:20:35.23
where was Jesus
taken? Out of Jerusalem...
00:20:35.26\00:20:38.83
in other words...
00:20:38.87\00:20:40.74
it's almost as if... before...
00:20:40.80\00:20:42.74
yeah, you could depend on
the voice of God because...
00:20:42.77\00:20:44.87
but now, now Satan
begins to wage this conflict
00:20:44.91\00:20:49.74
that, "Look, you're not just...
you are that fallen angel...
00:20:49.78\00:20:54.92
you are fulfilling everything
00:20:54.95\00:20:57.59
the prophecy says
you would fulfill...
00:20:57.65\00:21:00.06
claiming to be God... cast
out of the holy mountain...
00:21:00.09\00:21:04.69
you weaken the
nations... you'll be...
00:21:04.73\00:21:08.53
never will you be anymore
00:21:08.56\00:21:10.87
you're going to go down,
you're not coming back up... "
00:21:10.90\00:21:14.17
the psychological...
in other words...
00:21:14.20\00:21:16.30
it wasn't the
pain that hurt Jesus...
00:21:16.34\00:21:18.27
it was the psychological
warfare when He cries out,
00:21:18.31\00:21:21.18
"My God, my God...
why have you forsaken me?"
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James: It's an
exercise of faith.
00:21:24.68\00:21:26.01
Ivor: He had to
depend solely upon faith
00:21:26.05\00:21:28.75
because it was a
complete role reversal
00:21:28.78\00:21:31.69
guess what Satan is
going to do at the end of time?
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James: The same thing.
00:21:35.06\00:21:36.59
Ivor: "You guys... you're...
you are the very ones... "
00:21:36.62\00:21:41.13
James: "You missed that verse,
that verse doesn't say, 'air'
00:21:41.16\00:21:43.57
no, no, no, no, no,
00:21:43.60\00:21:44.93
feet, feet, feet... on
the earth... right here...
00:21:44.97\00:21:47.17
1,000 years? Come on...
00:21:47.20\00:21:48.90
you got a couple of verses wrong
00:21:48.94\00:21:51.27
and you're whole
theology is upside down...
00:21:51.31\00:21:53.24
look at the whole
world... knows this...
00:21:53.27\00:21:55.21
the whole world knows this. "
00:21:55.24\00:21:56.58
Ivor: "We're the right
ones, you're the wrong ones,
00:21:56.61\00:21:58.68
you're the ones that
are getting deceived. "
00:21:58.71\00:22:00.32
James: "I'm healing
people... this is me...
00:22:00.35\00:22:02.12
this is the guy you're
going to be following. "
00:22:02.18\00:22:03.92
Ivor: And at that time,
00:22:03.95\00:22:05.55
if you don't have
the faith of Jesus,
00:22:05.59\00:22:10.13
Jesus could not see
through the portals of the tomb.
00:22:10.16\00:22:12.03
James: You're going down.
00:22:12.06\00:22:13.53
Ivor: Yeah, you're going down
so remember a guy named Job?
00:22:13.56\00:22:16.33
Remember how he went
through all this stuff?
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And then they were like,
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"Well, Job... tsk...
may as well curse God... "
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and what did Job say?
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"Though He... " what?
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"slay me... yet
will I trust in Him... "
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in other words...
the faith of Jesus
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is going to lead God's people
at the end of time to say...
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Satan's going to be
like, "You guys are lost... "
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God's people are going to say,
"Well, hey, I may be lost...
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but I'm still not bowing down,
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I'm still not going
to receive the mark...
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I'm still not going to serve
you I will go down praising God
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'though He slay me, yet
will I trust in Him... '"
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what is this
going to demonstrate?
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You see, Satan...
remember what he said to Job?
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What he said
about Job? James: Yeah.
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Ivor: "He's only
serving you for the reward. "
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James: Right. Yvonne: Right.
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Ivor: You know what he's
going to say at the end time?
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"They just want heaven... who
doesn't want to live forever?
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I mean, you're a by-product,
I mean, yeah, you'll be there
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but they just want
heaven, they don't want to die,
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they just want to live forever,
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they just want the reward. "
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So God says, "Okay,
here's what I'm going to do...
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I'm going to allow
you to make it appear
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like they don't have a reward...
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like, their sins are so great
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that there's no way
that I can save them. "
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James: Job lost
all his merchandise,
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couldn't buy or sell...
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and then his
life was threatened. "
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: And when God's people say,
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"Though He slay me,
yet will I trust Him... "
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it will demonstrate that
the people of God loved Him
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not because of the reward,
but because of who He was.
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James: Christ was
hated of all nations...
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Matthew 24 says...
we'll be hated of all nations,
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the word "Job... "
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that word... that
name means "hated"
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"hated one... " yeah.
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Ivor: Yes, so, it is
this... the faith of Jesus...
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now you read the rest
of Revelation chapter 14,
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it's basically a harvest,
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we've actually covered it before
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when we talked about the
144,000 but it's a harvest.
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The righteous are
harvested by Christ
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and the wicked are basically...
are harvested for the winepress.
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What is it that separates
the righteous from the wicked?
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The faith of Jesus.
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James: Hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Though He slay
me... I'm going to trust Him.
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Though He turn His back on me...
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and I mean... I want
you to think about that,
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I mean, how often we serve
God because of the reward...
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Jesus said, "He who
loves his life, will lose it...
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and he who loses it
for my sake will save it. "
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We think of it only
in terms of this life
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but it's almost as
though He is saying,
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"Look, would you be willing
to miss out on heaven for me?"
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Remember how Moses wrote,
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"Blot me out of
the Book of Life... "
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he wasn't talking
about just taking back...
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he was talking
about the second death.
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James: And Paul said
the same thing in Romans 9.
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Ivor: Yeah, he...
in other words, look...
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James: Even Christ
did the same thing.
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Ivor: Right, "Look,
look, I am willing... "
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see, most of us... we
want to escape the first death
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but we want heaven,
guess who else wants heaven?
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Satan... wanting heaven is...
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Satan wants heaven
more than many of us.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: So wanting heaven
is not enough to get us there
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because we have
to be willing to...
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we literally have to... not
that God's going to let us do it
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but we have to be at
that place where we're like,
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"All right, if I
don't come up from the tomb
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I'm still going to serve Him. "
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James: Because the vindication
of God's character is
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selflessness...
it's unselfishness...
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it's the lack of self-focus
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and that's the
ultimate manifestation of it.
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Christ gave us the
ultimate manifestation
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of this selfless love,
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selfishness is inherent
in the fallen human nature,
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when we define sin,
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we define it many times
as transgression of the law,
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"they keep the
commandments of God... "
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but keeping the commandments
of God in this verse,
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is... is much more than the
outward code that we check off,
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the code as we check off...
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the ultimate definition
of sin is selfishness...
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selfishness...
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so I can say to myself,
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"Have I kept
God's commandments?"
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"Oh yeah, I did... "
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"Have I been
unselfish?" Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: Ooooh... that gets...
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that is really where
the rubber meets the road.
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Ivor: You think about this,
Jesus Himself did not consider
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heaven a place to be
desired while we were lost.
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He was like, "Heaven... "
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James: "I'm out of here...
" Ivor: "I got to go... "
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right, He was willing
to step down from heaven,
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so in return, we... we
have to exercise that same...
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"Hey, I'm willing...
yeah, I am willing...
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blot me out of the Book of Life
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that your name
be not blasphemed "
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James: And ultimately
when we get to that place,
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when we embrace the
selfless love of God
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we will find that we
have made it to heaven...
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we've made it
home... we're home...
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when we have that, we're home
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because that's
what we were made for,
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we were made in God's image
and that's what we were made for
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and that is the
essence of heaven.
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Streets of gold...
yeah, that's cement...
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that's blacktop...
"it's all streets of gold"
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no, it's
blacktop... it's blacktop...
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it's no big deal to us...
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we go, "Oh, streets of gold...
pearls... the gates of... "
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no, unselfishness...
the selfless love of God
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that is the
ultimate goal for all of us
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and there's nothing like it...
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experiencing that...
there's nothing like that.
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When you get to that
place, you're just like,
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"Yes, I could
live like this forever,
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this is happiness
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this is the true reason
why I have been created. "
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Jason: Yeah. Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: We're out of time again
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but we want to let people
know how they can contact us
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and send in for their questions.
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Jason: Oh yeah, they
should send their questions to:
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sss as in Salvation
in Symbols and Signs
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@3abn. org
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James: All right
Salvation in Symbols and Signs
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@3abn. org
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this has been a good
study on the faith of Jesus
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commandments of God
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and I've just been
blessed, praise the Lord.
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