We are moving right along,
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Revelation chapter
13 is coming alive,
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we've connected it
with Matthew chapter 24,
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we talked about
all of the counterfeits
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and how these
counterfeits of Satan
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and the human instrumentalities
that he works through
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are the
"abomination of desolation"
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putting man...
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putting his
counterfeits in the place of God
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is an abomination
that makes us desolate.
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It takes away our salvation
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and Jesus wanted us
to watch out for this
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and the final one of course,
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putting Satan in
the place of Christ
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that counterfeit...
coming... impersonating Christ
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performing miracles...
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deceiving, if
possible, the elect...
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the whole world
"wondering after the beast"
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pointing to that image...
pointing to that false worship
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and saying, "This
is the genuine... "
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that's the final abomination.
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And it's going to be
important for us to understand
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the point you
just mentioned James,
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because... as we get
into the Mark of the Beast,
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that's going to lay for
us a very good foundation
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to understand, "Ah,
that's what the 'Mark' is... "
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James: So close to the truth.
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Ivor: Absolutely.
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James: The counterfeit
is so close to the truth.
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Ivor: Absolutely.
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Yvonne: A
question just dawned on me,
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I'll ask it after the prayer.
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I'll ask it after...
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James: Good, good, so
we're going to have prayer,
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we're not going to
do a question this time
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just because we've got
some material we want to cover
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in this Section,
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so, we'll have prayer
and then we'll jump right in.
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Jason, pray for us.
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Jason: Sure,
"Dear Heavenly Father,
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we thank you for another chance,
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another opportunity that
we have to study your Word
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we ask that as we
cover these deep subjects...
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this deep topic that
you would please be with us
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and that you would please
help us to fully comprehend
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and retain this information
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and send your Holy Spirit
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to lead and guide
us into all truth,
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in Jesus' name we
pray, amen. " All: "Amen. "
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James: All right, Yvonne.
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Yvonne: So, Satan is going to
impersonate the return of Jesus,
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and the dead... and he
will... one of the miracles...
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James: Deception...
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Yvonne: is the
dead... resurrecting...
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except, I think
we should clarify
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that it's really not the dead.
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James: Yes, good point...
it's really not the dead,
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he cannot raise the
dead, he can't bring to life,
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he doesn't have the power.
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Yvonne: So it's going to...
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that would be
another impersonation
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so your dear Aunt Sally
or your mother or your father
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or whoever... you might think
that you're talking to them
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but you're
actually talking to a demon.
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James: Let's give a
Bible verse on this,
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Jason, can you find us
2nd Corinthians chapter 11
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verses 13, 14 and 15.
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I think... I think
it's really important
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for us to look
at the Bible verses
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when we talk about
these kinds of things
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so that people have
references that they can go to
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and we're talking right
now about Satan personating
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human beings coming as
Christ, personating Christ,
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personating human beings
so 2nd Corinthians chapter 11
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Ivor: It would be an evil angel
that would be Counterfeiting,
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basically real people.
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James: Yes, can he do this?
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Begin at verse 13 and
read all the way to 15.
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Okay, "For such are false
apostles, deceitful workers,
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transforming themselves
into the apostles of Christ.
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And no marvel; for
Satan himself is transformed
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into an angel of light. "
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James: Okay, that's 13, 14, 15?
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Jason: All right, 15...
"Therefore it is no great thing
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if his ministers
also be transformed
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as the ministers
of righteousness;
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whose end shall be
according to their works. "
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James: All right, so
these verses are telling us...
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and in the
context, it's talking about
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Satan actually preaching
another gospel... verse 2...
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another "Jesus...
" another spirit...
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coming in another spirit
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so you've got the gospel
of Jesus and the Holy Spirit
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being counterfeited by Satan
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in verse 2 of 2nd Corinthians 11
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and then his ministers...
who are his ministers?
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The demons... they're coming
as ministers of righteousness?
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Whoa... and Satan is
coming as an angel of light.
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So these verses tell us exactly
what's taking place here.
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Jason: You know, I
heard something interesting,
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and I don't remember who
said it or where I heard it,
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I don't know if it was a
preacher or whoever... but...
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they was talking about
how these bank tellers...
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when they're being trained...
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they don't take a look at every
counterfeit that's out there,
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they get to know
the true... the real...
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the real deal... the
genuine... through and through
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so anything else that they
see that is not the real deal,
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they recognize as counterfeit.
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James: Because there are so many
variations of the counterfeit,
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people are out
there counterfeiting,
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they can come up with
these different variations
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and if you're
studying the counterfeit...
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well, maybe a
counterfeit comes along
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you haven't heard of
before... it's a brand-new one,
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if you're studying
the genuine, I like that,
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if you're
studying the genuine...
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then, you could tell
the counterfeit right away
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because it doesn't
match up with the real thing
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and that's why we
need to be in the Bible.
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Ivor: Yeah, yeah, I want
to just add something here
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that is... because
with that question...
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the question you
asked was from...
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the verse we
use is Revelation 16
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with these three unclean spirits
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that go out like frogs
but it's interesting because
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if you look at the verse
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that is right before
Revelation 16 verse 13...
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it says in verse 12
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"And the sixth
angel poured out his vial
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upon the great river Euphrates;
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that the water
thereof was dried up,
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that the way of the kings of
the east might be prepared. "
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River Euphrates was the
river that supported Babylon.
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When the river was
dried up in the Old Testament,
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it was because a
guy by the name of Cyrus
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was coming to deliver
God's people who were...
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he was known as God's anointed
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which is a type of the Messiah,
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he dried up the deep in order to
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set the captives
free from Babylon,
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okay, when Jesus comes again,
is He going to dry up the deep?
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In a sense, "Yes. "
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Where are the captives?
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Yeah, they are going to
be those who captives...
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captive... alive when He comes
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but there are also those
that are captive to the grave.
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So when He comes
again, He's drying up the deep
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and all His people
who are captive to death,
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or in persecution
are going to be free
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so, it's not by coincidence
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that right after
this mention of...
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"Hey, this is what Jesus
is going to do when He comes"
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you have these
three unclean spirits
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going out to
counterfeit that very miracle...
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and then the very next
verse after that, Jesus says,
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"Hey, I just
want you to remember
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I come as a thief in the night,
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remember how I come,
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I'm not coming like how I
told you... I've warned you
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so watch lest your shame be...
your nakedness be revealed... "
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He's telling you, "Hold
on to those garments... "
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He's saying,
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"Listen, this is what's
going to happen when I come
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but Satan's going to
try to do it before me...
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he's going to try
to counterfeit... "
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so it's a counterfeit...
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it's not the dead
really being raised...
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it is a counterfeit,
it's spiritualism, right,
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and so, when you have
apostles now appearing
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and saying, "Yeah,
this is really the messiah
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and he is... listen
to what he's saying. "
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These things again,
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this understanding
is going to help us
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when we get
back to Revelation 13
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to look at what the Mark
of the Beast actually is.
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James: Hmmm... let's
get back to Revelation 13,
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we've got a few
characteristics here,
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we've kind of thrown
out some names here...
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identifications in
relation to these powers,
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we've talked about the Papacy,
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we've talked
about the United States
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but I think we should get
into the meat of these verses
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and make the
connections historically
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so that people
can really understand
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how it is that we
come to these conclusions.
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The first verse we
want to look at again
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is Revelation 13
verse 2, actually verse 1...
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John is standing on
the sand of the sea,
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Revelation 17:15 tells us
that seas and waters represent
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peoples, nations,
multitudes and tongues...
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now what we're looking
at here is a connection
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this sea beast... the
leopard-like sea beast
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has connected us
not just to the dragon
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but all the way back
to the book of Daniel...
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how do we know that?
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Why do we make that connection?
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Because, first of all,
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the seas represent peoples,
nations, multitudes and tongues,
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so we're not talking about
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a desolate place of the
earth here... or a wilderness,
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we're talking about
populated place of the earth
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and that's what
Daniel leaves us,
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in Daniel's prophetic book,
you have these four nations
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Babylon,
Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome,
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and these four nations populate
the European and the Middle East
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all of the
populated areas of the world
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are populated by these
powers... these kingdoms...
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okay, so when
Revelation opens up the sea
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and out of the sea came a beast
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having seven
heads and ten horns,
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those ten horns represent
those ten nations of Europe.
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The seven heads, of course,
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the different heads
that were on the nations of
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Babylon,
Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome.
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Ivor: Let's just
amplify that a little bit,
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so, in Daniel chapter 7,
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and by God's grace,
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we'll be going
through that book as well,
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but in Daniel chapter 7,
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right now, just a
short picture of that is
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four beasts rise
up, the first is a lion,
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the second is a bear,
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the third is a
four-headed leopard
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and the fourth is a dragon,
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so you count all
those heads together,
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you have seven
heads... Babylon... one...
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Medo-Persia...
two... Greece... four...
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okay, and then
Rome... the seventh head...
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so you've got these seven heads
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and then on
Rome... the seventh head...
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you have these ten horns
which represent the nations
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or the countries out of...
well, the European nations,
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so these are the seven... ten...
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when you look at
Revelation 13 verse 1,
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it's basically a
composite... one beast...
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having all
these characteristics,
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John sees them as one...
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Daniel sees them as
four different beasts.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... All: Hmmm.
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James: And they're one
in Revelation... because
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it's a composite
or a consummation of
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all those kingdoms coming
together into this next kingdom
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which rises up out of the sea...
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and this next kingdom
that followed the succession,
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historically
would be Papal Rome,
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so when Babylon fell,
it fell to Medo-Persia...
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when Medo-Persia
fell, it fell to Greece...
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when Greece fell, it
fell to Pagan Rome...
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and Pagan Rome went
down into the sea...
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we studied this in the trumpets,
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he went down into
the waters of Europe,
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the ten nations came up...
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and then another
little power came up...
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and plucked up
three of those nations
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and that Little
Power became the Papacy...
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Papal Rome... it
stood up in Rome's place
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and that's where you get
the connection... historically.
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Revelation is
showing us that connection
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in this composite beast...
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this composite
beast is now Papal Rome,
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it comes up in the
place of these other nations
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that's why it has all
the characteristics...
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feet as a bear...
body as a leopard...
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mouth as a lion...
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dragon gives him his
power, seat and great authority
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he's got the same configurations
of the dragon over here
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and then it goes on to tell us
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that this power... it says...
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was going to have a
deadly wound inflicted
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and we looked at that... we
looked at the history of that
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and then we saw
the wound being healed
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but the thing that we want
to make sure that we do now
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is we want to connect
all these characteristics
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in Revelation chapter
13 with the book of Daniel.
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So we're going to go
back to the book of Daniel,
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chapter 7, we're
just going to look at
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some of the characteristics
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and make that connection
to Revelation chapter 13.
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So Daniel chapter 7
and let's just start here
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if we will... in verse 8...
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Daniel chapter 7 and verse 8
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Jason, can you read for
us verse 8... just verse 8?
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Sure, "I considered
the horns, and, behold,
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there came up among
them another little horn,
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before whom there were
three of the first horns
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plucked up by the roots
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and behold, in
this horn were eyes
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like the eyes of man,
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and a mouth
speaking great things. "
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Okay, so you notice, the Little
Horn comes up among them...
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that's the first characteristic,
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the Little Horn Power
would rise up in Europe
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among the European Nations.
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The next characteristic that
we see here in this verse is...
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it says that the Little Horn
plucked up three by the roots,
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three of the other
horns were plucked up...
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when the Papacy came into power,
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it eradicated... or plucked
up three of those ten horns...
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or those ten nations
in its rise to power,
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the Heruli... the
Ostrogoth's and the Visigoths
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and then it says... it
had eyes as the eyes of a man
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and so you have a man
at the head of this power,
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and then it goes on to say,
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"it has a mouth
speaking great things. "
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Ivor: Blasphemous things.
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James: Yes, and what
we're going to see here
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is the very same characteristics
that are revealed in Daniel 7
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are also
paralleled in Revelation.
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For example, in
Revelation chapter 13
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it says here in verse 2,
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"and the beast which I
saw was like a leopard... "
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and he says, "his
feet as the feet of a bear,
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and his mouth as
the mouth of a lion:
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and the dragon
gave him his seat,
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and his power,
and great authority.
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And I saw one of his heads
as it were wounded to death:
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and his deadly wound was healed:
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and all the world
wondered after the beast.
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They worshipped the beast...
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and the dragon which
gave power unto the beast:
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and they
worshipped the beast, saying,
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Who is like unto the beast?
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who is able to
make war with him?
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And there was given unto him
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a mouth speaking great
things and blasphemies... "
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so you have that same
characteristic in verse 5
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that we read about here in
Daniel chapter 7 and verse 8
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and then you go on... now...
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what's really interesting is...
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and we don't want to go into
all the details of Daniel 7...
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we're just going to
hit the highlights...
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Daniel wants to know more...
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"I want to know more
about this Little Horn Power...
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tell me more about this guy"
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okay, so the angel
comes back and says,
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"Okay, I'm going to
tell you a couple of things,
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first I'm going to
tell you" verse 17...
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that these beasts
that you're looking at
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are actually four kings that
will arise out of the earth.
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So sometimes when
we talk about a beast,
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"What's the beast?
What's the Mark of the Beast?"
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We're just...
"oooh! look at this... "
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this is an earthly kingdom,
this is an earthly kingdom
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so we can drop the
symbolism, we can get real now,
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we're talking
about an earthly power,
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okay, what
earthly power followed
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Babylon,
Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome?
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What earthly power
came up among them?
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What earthly power
plucked down three horns
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as it rose to power?
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What earthly
powers speaks great things
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claiming for example
to be God on earth...
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claiming, for example,
the power to forgive sins...
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these are the characteristics
that are identified
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in Daniel 7 and in
Revelation chapter 13,
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what great power has the
whole world wondering after it
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and saying, "Who's like him?
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Who can make war with
him?" All: Hmmm... Hmmm.
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It's got to be
a religions power,
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see, it's got to be
a... yeah... because...
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because people look at
that power and they go,
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"Oh! this is a good
guy, this is a nice guy,
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this is a peace-loving guy,
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this is the kind of person...
this is the kind of power...
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this is the kind of System that
would be good for us to have"
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and that's where we're moving,
now, during the Dark Ages,
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and leading up
through all of the atrocities
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that were taking
place in the church
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they lost that because people
knew what was going on there
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and it was
exposed for what it was...
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and some of that exposure still
come down to us in our time
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but we're turning another leaf,
we're forgiving the past...
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we're forgetting the past
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and we are now
looking at this Papal Power
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in a different
light... a peace-loving power...
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a man that can lead us
into a new era of enlightenment
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and peace and
love and forgiveness,
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however, the
doctrines and the teachings
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of this particular
religious power have not changed
00:15:44.47\00:15:47.41
and that's where
we need to be careful
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because
Revelation 13 is telling us
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"this wound is
going to be healed"
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but nothing has changed
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when it comes to what it
actually teaches and believes.
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Ivor: I was going to say this
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but I can't because
of what you just said,
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so, you know...
you look at this beast
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it's coming up out of the water,
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and... when you
think of... as a Christian
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when you think
of... some living thing
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or something coming
up out of the water,
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like, what comes to
your mind as a Christian?
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You think... baptism... yeah...
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and what is
baptism... baptism is
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"the old man has changed
and I'm a new creature now,
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hey... that 'me... '
that was the old me...
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I used to be a
beast, Man! you know... "
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laughter...
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"I used to be a beast but now...
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I've been
baptized... I've been changed. "
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Right, and the
reason... one of the reasons why
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the world grows in
"wondering after the beast"
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and all, it is
because we look at
00:16:47.07\00:16:49.40
what the Papacy
was in the Dark Ages,
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and what it is now, we're
like, "Oh, they've changed...
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it's new... " the problem is
00:16:54.88\00:16:58.95
that the beast in...
this beast did not die
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it was only
wounded... James: Hmmm...
00:17:03.08\00:17:05.42
Ivor: See...
baptism... you die...
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you go down in the water
and you're not really dead,
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you come up... you
might look different,
00:17:11.73\00:17:13.50
you might be
able to fool people,
00:17:13.53\00:17:15.83
but if you never really
died, there's no real change
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and so, this is
what's going on here,
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this beast ends up
deceiving many because
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"Yeah, ah Man!
you've changed... "
00:17:24.04\00:17:26.94
"Yeah that was
old... the old man...
00:17:26.98\00:17:29.84
this is... this is new"
00:17:29.88\00:17:32.21
and that's what we're seeing.
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Jason: What was
that sermon you preached
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on Death, Burial, Resurrection?"
00:17:34.98\00:17:36.48
Ivor: Yes, hmmm... hmmm...
I don't remember but yes...
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yes... the battle is... you've
got to learn how to die daily,
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every day you
die, you're buried...
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you're
resurrected, you come up...
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you overcome sin in
that process... you die...
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temptation comes to
you... "What am I going to do?
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Am I going to live
or am I going to die?"
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You die to self...
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God says, "Okay, when you
die, I'll raise you back up. "
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Right, and that's
the process, so... but...
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if you haven't really died,
then, you're only fooling people
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you know that you've changed
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and that's what's
happening with this beast.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm... all
right, I'm just going to...
00:18:07.58\00:18:10.09
we're just going to look at
two more verses in Daniel 7...
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just to make the connection,
00:18:12.22\00:18:13.56
the two verses
are: verses 24 and 25...
00:18:13.59\00:18:17.29
Yvonne, if you could
read those for us, 24 and 25.
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Yvonne: Sure, "The
ten horns are ten kings
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who shall arise
from this kingdom,
00:18:22.93\00:18:25.03
and another
shall arise after them;
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and he shall be
different from the first ones,
00:18:27.14\00:18:29.14
and shall subdue three kings.
00:18:29.20\00:18:31.47
He shall speak pompous
words against the most High,
00:18:31.51\00:18:34.51
shall persecute the
saints of the most High,
00:18:34.54\00:18:37.61
and shall intend to
change times and laws:
00:18:37.65\00:18:40.42
then the same shall
be given into his hand
00:18:40.45\00:18:43.02
for a time and
times and half a time. "
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Ivor: Hmmm...
00:18:45.42\00:18:46.76
James: Okay now, there are a
number of characteristics here
00:18:46.79\00:18:49.72
that parallel Revelation 13...
time, times and half a time...
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42 months...
00:18:52.93\00:18:54.26
"it was given unto him a
mouth speaking great things
00:18:54.30\00:18:55.93
and blasphemies; and
power was given unto him
00:18:55.96\00:18:58.47
to continue
forty and two months. "
00:18:58.53\00:19:00.50
In verse 7,
00:19:00.54\00:19:01.87
"And it was given unto him
to make war with the saints... "
00:19:01.90\00:19:03.47
and you see that over
here in Daniel chapter 7,
00:19:03.51\00:19:06.27
"he will wear out the
saints of the most High"
00:19:06.31\00:19:09.31
and then the one
that's really interesting
00:19:09.34\00:19:12.31
verse 8 of Revelation 13...
00:19:12.35\00:19:14.72
"And all that dwell upon
the earth shall worship him,
00:19:14.78\00:19:16.62
whose names are not
written in the book of life... "
00:19:16.65\00:19:18.45
Daniel 7:25... "he
shall change times and laws"
00:19:18.49\00:19:22.49
and there's only one
place in the law of God
00:19:22.52\00:19:26.29
that deals with "time"
and that is... the Sabbath.
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Yvonne: Yes.
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James: That
"time" has been changed.
00:19:31.43\00:19:32.93
Worship in this world
comes down to one of two days:
00:19:32.97\00:19:36.84
Saturday or Sunday...
00:19:36.87\00:19:39.61
and the Bible says,
Saturday is the seventh day...
00:19:39.64\00:19:42.84
"the seventh is the
Sabbath of the Lord thy God"
00:19:42.88\00:19:46.01
so this power is seeking
to change the time of worship
00:19:46.05\00:19:49.25
so that everyone worships
him instead of worshipping God.
00:19:49.28\00:19:51.75
Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:19:51.79\00:19:53.22
James: So, Daniel and Revelation
are twin prophetic books
00:19:53.25\00:19:56.16
and they're
connecting together right here
00:19:56.19\00:19:57.56
in Daniel 7 and Revelation 13.
00:19:57.59\00:19:59.19
All these characteristics
that we see in Revelation 13
00:19:59.23\00:20:01.63
are all coming
from the book of Daniel,
00:20:01.66\00:20:03.16
we see them one after
another where he raises up...
00:20:03.20\00:20:05.77
how he's different...
he's a religious power...
00:20:05.80\00:20:08.30
and no one can
make war against him...
00:20:08.34\00:20:09.67
how he reigns for 42 months...
how he says blasphemous things
00:20:09.70\00:20:12.14
and says things
against the most High,
00:20:12.17\00:20:13.74
how he changes
the day of worship...
00:20:13.78\00:20:15.24
the times and laws and
he persecutes God's people
00:20:15.31\00:20:17.91
how he continues for this
designated amount of time...
00:20:17.95\00:20:21.22
all of that is being brought
into Revelation chapter 13
00:20:21.25\00:20:24.49
so we can make the
connection as Ivor said,
00:20:24.55\00:20:26.65
I just love that whole
idea... that homiletic insight
00:20:26.69\00:20:30.86
as Ivor said,
00:20:30.89\00:20:32.46
"you have this power
that rises up out of the water
00:20:32.49\00:20:36.20
acting like it's been
changed, acting like it's...
00:20:36.23\00:20:39.90
the old man is dead...
00:20:39.93\00:20:41.27
but really it
received a deadly wound
00:20:41.30\00:20:43.41
and it's going to
return to what it once was...
00:20:43.44\00:20:47.48
once it gets in its place
00:20:47.51\00:20:48.84
and there's another
power that's going to help it
00:20:48.88\00:20:51.05
to get to that place
00:20:51.11\00:20:53.15
of power and authority
00:20:53.18\00:20:55.15
that it once had in
the Old Testament...
00:20:55.18\00:20:57.79
not in the Old
Testament... in the Dark Ages.
00:20:57.85\00:21:00.39
So that's what
we're going to see...
00:21:00.42\00:21:01.82
we're going to see the parallel
between these two powers.
00:21:01.86\00:21:03.76
Revelation chapter
13... Revelation chapter...
00:21:03.79\00:21:07.36
and Daniel chapter
7 connecting together
00:21:07.40\00:21:09.63
and bringing us this insight...
00:21:09.66\00:21:12.20
this prophetic
insight into the future
00:21:12.23\00:21:13.64
so, here's the key verse...
and the transitions for us...
00:21:13.67\00:21:18.21
Revelation 13 verse 10...
00:21:18.24\00:21:19.57
"He that leads into captivity
shall go into captivity:
00:21:19.61\00:21:23.75
he that kills with the sword
must be killed with the sword.
00:21:23.78\00:21:26.38
Here is the patience
and the faith of the saints.
00:21:26.41\00:21:28.75
And I beheld another beast
coming up out of the earth;
00:21:28.78\00:21:31.35
he had two horns like a
lamb and he spake as a dragon. "
00:21:31.39\00:21:33.89
What happened in 1798 was that
the Papacy was taken captive
00:21:33.92\00:21:38.96
we read about it...
we talked about that...
00:21:38.99\00:21:40.90
Berthier... Napoleon...
he is going down in 1798
00:21:40.93\00:21:44.37
and at that same time,
prophetically speaking,
00:21:44.43\00:21:47.64
another power is
rising up out of the earth,
00:21:47.67\00:21:50.94
this power came out of the sea,
00:21:50.97\00:21:52.37
this... another power is
coming up out of the earth,
00:21:52.41\00:21:53.88
it's an earthly kingdom...
it's coming up out of the earth,
00:21:53.91\00:21:56.18
it's coming up in a
less-populated place
00:21:56.21\00:21:59.01
of planet earth... okay...
00:21:59.08\00:22:01.28
a less populated
place of... that the...
00:22:01.32\00:22:04.15
so, this power
comes up out of the sea...
00:22:04.19\00:22:06.02
peoples, nations, multitudes
and tongues... Europe...
00:22:06.05\00:22:08.59
this other power comes up
in a less-populated area...
00:22:08.62\00:22:11.46
the earth... because the
"earth" is opposite of the "sea"
00:22:11.49\00:22:14.80
earth... waters... desolate...
not as many... population...
00:22:14.83\00:22:18.10
so, what you see
here is sometime...
00:22:18.13\00:22:21.17
first characteristic
when this beast is going down,
00:22:21.20\00:22:24.81
when this power
is being inflicted,
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sometime around the
1700s... the 18th century...
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another power is going to
rise on the scene of action
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in a less-populated
place in the earth.
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What power arose in the 1700s
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in an unpopulated
place on Planet Earth?
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Ivor: Not only that,
before you answer the question
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that has...
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what does a "lamb"
represent in the Bible?
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The Lamb represents Jesus,
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so we're looking
for a nation, right,
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that would be rising
up around the late 1700s
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that would be...
at least professedly
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what kind of a
nation? A Christian nation
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and there really only
one nation that fits the bill
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that's United States of America.
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James: The other thing here
that want to get into with this
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is that it's another beast,
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now we already talked
about this as a composite beast
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so it's connected to the dragon,
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it's connected to the Babylon,
Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome.
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It's the same thing...
just being continued...
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but this is another
one, this is a new one...
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It's got to be a new
nation, it's not... in fact...
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it may come out of Europe
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but it severs its
connection with Europe.
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Okay, fourth characteristic,
the two horns have no crowns
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now notice how all
these horns have crowns...
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that designates
monarchies... kings... queens...
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this other beast... this new
nation rising up in the 1700s
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and having these
lamb-like horns with no crowns
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which means that it's
going to be a Republic...
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it's going to be a Democracy,
it's not going to be a Monarchy
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like we've seen in the past,
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so we've got four
characteristics now,
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you got them so far...
the time that it rises...
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okay, 18th century... 1700s...
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that place that it rises...
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in the earth... in a
more desolate place...
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the type of nation it
is, lamb-like... Christian...
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and the fact that it has
no crowns on its horns...
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it's not a
monarchy... it's a Republic...
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so, all of these characteristics
are pointing us to
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the United States of America,
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I mean... go head...
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Ivor: I was going to
look at something else here,
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Revelation 13:11... right...
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there's actually another
characteristic is that...
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while it had the horns of a lamb
it says, "He spake as a dragon"
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and this is very
interesting because
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you look at the
founding of the nation of
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the United States of
America... founding of America
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and you look at how these
Christians were leaving Europe
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because of Religious persecution
and when they got here,
00:24:50.32\00:24:55.62
to set up here,
guess what they did?
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They persecuted...
they set up their...
00:24:58.33\00:25:00.93
okay... "Massachusetts is
going to be this only... "
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whether you're
Catholic or Protestant
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and they did not
allow religious freedom
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for others who didn't
believe as they believed
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or if you were Catholic...
"No, you can't come here... "
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Some places were set up,
00:25:13.98\00:25:16.61
"if you were Protestant...
you can't come here"
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so the same persecution
they were trying to escape from,
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they put upon others...
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and, of course, you look at
what happened with the Indians,
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what happened with slavery
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and you just look at a
nation that appears to...
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has the
attributes of Christianity,
00:25:29.42\00:25:32.06
but at the same
time you see this
00:25:32.09\00:25:34.66
undertone of...
"of, wait a minute... "
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James: The
dragon. Ivor: The dragon.
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Is just... what is this?
00:25:40.07\00:25:41.40
I mean, horns of a
lamb... it looks like a lamb...
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but Man! when it
open its mouth...
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you know... so you
have this parallel...
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you look again... this is
like a perfect description
00:25:49.34\00:25:52.31
of the founding of America
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and again, there
were people who came in
00:25:54.68\00:25:56.38
who were true,
genuine Christians
00:25:56.42\00:25:57.95
but Revelation 13...
while it's pointing out America
00:25:57.99\00:26:01.42
as a nation...
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it's actually more
specifically pointing out
00:26:03.16\00:26:06.63
what we would call,
"Apostate Protestantism"
00:26:06.66\00:26:09.96
right, in other
words, Protestantism that...
00:26:10.00\00:26:13.20
people that profess Christianity
but have apostatized
00:26:13.23\00:26:20.28
are not following...
00:26:20.34\00:26:21.78
actually reflecting the
characteristics of the Lamb
00:26:21.81\00:26:24.25
so, as you read
further down, you see,
00:26:24.28\00:26:25.95
"Wait a
minute... this nation... "
00:26:25.98\00:26:27.35
and that's why people can't...
00:26:27.38\00:26:28.72
when we read... go
further... people are like,
00:26:28.75\00:26:30.25
"that's not going to
happen here in America...
00:26:30.29\00:26:32.22
no, this is
America... land of... "
00:26:32.25\00:26:34.69
they can't even fathom
00:26:34.72\00:26:36.22
some of the things
that we're about to say
00:26:36.26\00:26:37.59
because they're like,
"Naw ah... this is America... "
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Yvonne: Yeah... yeah...
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James: But as you brought
out these principles have
00:26:41.36\00:26:43.20
have actually been underlined...
00:26:43.23\00:26:45.10
a lot of what
we've done in our history
00:26:45.13\00:26:46.80
it's just that we're coming to
a place where it's going to be
00:26:46.84\00:26:49.37
manifested in a
big way... huge way...
00:26:49.40\00:26:52.21
so, and then the
two horns, of course,
00:26:52.24\00:26:54.84
religious liberty
and political freedoms,
00:26:54.88\00:26:57.45
so you've got the
religious and political freedoms
00:26:57.48\00:26:59.55
that we stand for,
00:26:59.58\00:27:00.92
how can this happen in America?
00:27:00.95\00:27:02.28
Well, God is so gracious,
00:27:02.32\00:27:04.92
we have defects
in our characters
00:27:04.95\00:27:07.59
and as God re-births us and
as God renews us, we grow...
00:27:07.62\00:27:10.89
but if we come to a
place where we stop growing...
00:27:10.93\00:27:12.99
we stop accepting truth,
we stop walking in the light,
00:27:13.03\00:27:15.03
we can retrograde
and go backwards...
00:27:15.06\00:27:17.07
and so, this power
that Ivor brought out...
00:27:17.10\00:27:19.67
some characteristics that
are there that aren't good...
00:27:19.70\00:27:21.37
but we've grown
through some of that...
00:27:21.40\00:27:22.90
America has made changes
and they've given freedom
00:27:22.94\00:27:25.47
to... got rid of
slavery... et cetera, et cetera
00:27:25.51\00:27:27.94
and tried to give back to
the Native Americans, et cetera
00:27:27.98\00:27:31.21
but you can also retrograde
00:27:31.25\00:27:33.21
if you don't continue on
in that forward motion...
00:27:33.25\00:27:35.15
you can also go backwards,
00:27:35.18\00:27:36.55
and that appears to be
00:27:36.58\00:27:37.92
what's going to
happen with this power,
00:27:37.95\00:27:39.82
why? we're going
to look at that more
00:27:39.85\00:27:41.69
as we get into a few more verses
00:27:41.72\00:27:43.06
and study this prophecy
00:27:43.09\00:27:45.56
in more detail
in our next program
00:27:45.59\00:27:47.30
but right now we're
out of time almost...
00:27:47.33\00:27:48.80
how can they get ahold of us?
00:27:48.83\00:27:50.20
They need to send their
questions to: sss@3abn. org
00:27:50.27\00:27:54.40
Okay, you heard that Friends,
00:27:54.44\00:27:56.57
let us know
about your questions,
00:27:56.60\00:27:58.67
let us... give us your input,
we'd love to hear from you.
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