So let's get into
some good conversation
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and we're talking
about Bible conversation,
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we're talking about
Bible-prophecy conversation...
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we're talking about
being set among the beasts
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here we are
sitting among the beasts
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of Revelation 13
and we're not afraid.
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That's right...
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Why we're not afraid?
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Because as we have
noted in Revelation 13
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the Lamb is there...
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the Lamb slain from
the foundation of the world
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is there so the Lamb is with us
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and you know how the
words of that hymn go...
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"Anywhere with Jesus I
can... " All: "safely go. "
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James:
"Anywhere... " All: Anywhere...
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James: "fear I cannot know. "
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So this is the basic
theme that we're bringing
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to the conversation and
this is a conversation...
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it's not like we know everything
we've been studying this...
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this book... these
books for a long time
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Ivor and I...
for many, many years
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I don't want to give away
my age here but only 30...
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and yet there are still
things that we don't understand,
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there are still
questions that we have,
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there's still light that
needs to come to the table,
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so this is a discussion
and as we discuss this,
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we ask questions
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and those questions bring
us more light and understanding
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and we have some questions
that our Viewers are asking,
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one of them that
we're going to ask right now
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has to do with the 24 Elders,
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we have a question
that Yvonne brought up
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about the
"abomination of desolation"
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and we want to get into that
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and we want to continue
our study in Revelation...
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Matthew 24 and
Revelation chapter 13...
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Jason, would you pray
for us before we get into it?
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Sure, absolutely,
"Dear Heavenly Father,
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we thank you for the opportunity
to study your Word again,
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we ask that you would
please send your Holy Spirit
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to lead and
guide us into all truth
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and be with the
Viewers and listeners,
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and allow them to receive
a blessing from this Program,
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from studying your Word, in
Jesus' name we pray, amen. "
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"Amen. "
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So the quick question here
that is coming from Elsa is:
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"Who are the 24 Elders
in Revelation chapter 5
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and also, do you
have Bible Studies
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to go along with
your presentations?"
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Now I'm going to answer
the first part of that question
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after...
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pause...
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Yvonne answers the
second part of the question.
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I think that I was caught...
I was kind of hesitant there...
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Yvonne: No it's
fine... no, no, no, no...
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we are actually
editing the Bible Studies,
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we do have 1 to 15 done.
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James: Really?
Yvonne: Yes, praise the Lord
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and so, they should
be up the website soon,
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just check the
website for the Bible Studies.
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James: When you say 1 to 15,
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you're talking
about 1 to 15 of 50?
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Is it one per
program or is it...
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Yvonne: No, it's
just going to cover topics
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so, we just...
yeah, we're connecting...
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and it will say that it's
related to Programs 1 and 2
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or 14 and 15...
or... like that...
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so, you know...
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James: I just want to
clarify that for our Viewers
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because, we've done 50 so far
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and with that... got
us to Revelation 12...
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and we're hoping in
the next 15 or so...
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to finish the book of Revelation
we'll see what happens,
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but that doesn't
mean there's going to be
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65 outlines or 70 outlines
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and I think
that's important because
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some of our topics
aren't necessarily an outline.
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Jason: And if they don't know
the website, it's D2Dnetwork. tv
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that's where they can get them.
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James: Can you say that
one more time... that was...?
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Jason: D2Dnetwork. tv
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James: D2Dnetwork? Jason: Yeah.
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James: Okay... 2 is a number?
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Yvonne: D2Dnetwork
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James: So 2 as in Dare 2 Dream.
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Yvonne: Right.
Jason: That's right.
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James: D2D... I like that.
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Yvonne: Yeah, D2Dnetwork. tv
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James: Okay, the
first part of the question,
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"Who are the 24 Elders
of Revelation chapter 5?
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And I will just give a
quick summary of that...
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we have covered
this in more detail
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and there is a study on this
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and I can sent the study
to 3ABN that I have on it
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if you want it to work off that,
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I don't know how
much they've done those
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because I haven't seen
it yet but I'd love to.
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So, Revelation chapter 5...
the 24 Elders plain and simple
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are redeemed... the redeemed
who were taken to heaven
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with Christ at His resurrection
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and you can find that a
captivity was taken with Christ
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at His resurrection...
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a couple of verses in the
Bible, the first one is in
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Matthew chapter 27
27... and verses 52 and 53
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I'm just giving the references,
I'm not going to read them,
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because we want to
get into our study,
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so Matthew 27:52 and 53
tells us how that Jesus...
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at His
resurrection... at his death...
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many that were in their
graves were resurrected...
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they came forth
after His resurrection
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and they were taken to heaven
according to Ephesians chapter 4
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Ephesians 4 and
verse... what is it?
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Here it is... verse 8...
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"Wherefore when he
ascended up on high,
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he led captivity captive. "
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Now, the reason why we
know these are the redeemed
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is in the context of the text,
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I'll tell you
one thing for sure,
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Elders... hundreds
of uses in the Bible...
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never applied to
anyone but a human being,
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never applied to
anyone but a human being...
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that word is never used to
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describe anyone
but a human being
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so, it's here...
what's really cool is that,
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in Revelation chapter 4,
you have a throne-room scene
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and in Isaiah 6, you
have a throne-room scene
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and in Ezekiel 1 and 2,
you have a throne-room scene,
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in the Old Testament,
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the throne-room scene
never had the Elders...
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: But in the New
Testament, in Revelation...
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when the Lamb
slain is introduced,
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now, you have the Elders.
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Yvonne: Oh... great.
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James: It's really a beautiful
picture when you think about it
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because God is saying,
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"They're here...
they're here, they're here... "
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How do we know they're redeemed?
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Because, the
context of it tells us,
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it says, "The 24 Elders were
sitting on seats... or thrones
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they had white raiment and
crowns of gold on their heads
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every one of these...
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all three of these are what is
promised to the seven churches
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"to him that overcomes will
sit on the throne with me...
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to him who overcomes
will have the white raiment...
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to him who overcomes
will have a crown... "
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so these are the promises
made to the seven churches
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which represent God's redeemed,
of course... every generation
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and so, 24 Elders
are given all of these
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as... if you
will... what's the word?
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A promise, okay, that
applies to all of us...
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all of the redeemed
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and then, finally,
if you go back down here
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to Revelation 5
in verse 8, it says
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that when Christ takes
the book, the four beasts...
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"and four and twenty elders
fell down before the Lamb,
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every one having harps of gold,
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harps... and golden
vials full of odours,
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which are the
prayers of the saints.
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And they sing a
new song," verse 9...
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"saying, Thou art
worthy to take the book,
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and open the seals
thereof: for you were slain
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and you have redeemed us to God
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by your blood out of... " where?
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"every kindred, and tongue,
and people, and nation. "
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Okay, now, I really
love the King James on this,
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you're going to get
some other versions...
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they're going to...
change this a little bit
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and it makes it... doesn't
quite give the same meaning
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that you have here...
but meaning is just nails it,
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so, you've got the
context of Revelation 4,
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the white
raiment... the golden crowns...
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the thrones... you've got the
context of Revelation chapter 5,
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"you have
redeemed us by your blood
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out of every nation,
kindred, tongue and people... "
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the fact that "Elders" are only
ever applied to human beings
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and then you've got
the throne-room scene
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in the Old
Testament minus the 24 Elders
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but then when Jesus is
crucified there's the 24 Elders
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then you've got Christ
raising that group of captives
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from the grave
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when He went to
heaven at His resurrection.
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Yvonne: Wow! Beautiful!
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James: That's it... and
then there's a full study on it
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if you'd like to have it...
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we can send that to
you, just ask for it.
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All right, we're in Matthew
24, we left off in Matthew 24.
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Ivor: Yeah.
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James: We're in Revelation
13 but we're in Matthew 24
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and we're
making the connections.
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Ivor: So, let me
just do a little re-cap...
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we talked about in
the book of Revelation 13
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that the deadly
wound... when it is healed...
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it parallels the fire
that falls... the miracle fire
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in Revelation 13
that we read as well...
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that miracle is what moves
the people to make this image
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and the image is what brings
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the people of God
face-to-face with persecution.
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So, in other words,
just like the story of Daniel
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or Shadrach,
Meshach and Abednego...
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when the image is set up
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whosoever doesn't bow down,
you're going to be persecuted,
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so then we went
back to Matthew 24
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and saw that Jesus said
that there was going to be
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something that we
should look out for
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when we see this thing...
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that's when the whole
world is going to "wonder"
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but you guys
don't wonder because
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you know that when I
come, this is how I'm coming.
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When you see the
"abomination of desolation"
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and that's the
question that you have...
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"What is the abomination
of desolation?" Yvonne: Right.
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Ivor: When you see the
abomination of desolation
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stand in the Holy Place,
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then, let him
who reads, understand
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that when you see this thing...
you know that this is it.
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Right, so, Matthew 24 verse
15 is a verse that tells us
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"when you see the
abomination of desolation
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standing in the Holy Place. "
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In the book of
Luke, there's a parallel
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and let's look at
what Luke says in Luke 21
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and we're going to look
at verse, I believe, it's 20.
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James: By-the-way,
Matthew 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13
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are all prophetic chapters
that parallel Revelation...
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Daniel and Revelation,
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same with 2nd
Thessalonians chapter 2.
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So, when we're
looking at Luke 21,
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we want to be thinking,
"Ah, this is prophecy... "
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because, you know,
we're thinking about Luke,
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"Oh, that's a gospel...
Matthew, that's a gospel... "
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but Luke 21 is prophecy...
Matthew 24... it's prophecy...
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Mark 13... it's prophecy...
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those are three prophetic
sections of these gospels.
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Ivor: Yep, yep,
so, Luke 21 verse 20,
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this is Luke's parallel,
right, to what Matthew wrote
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but Luke says it this way,
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"And when you
shall see Jerusalem
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compassed with... " what?
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"armies, then you shall know
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that the
desolation thereof is nigh.
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Then let them
which are in Judaea... "
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so you see the parallel...
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James: I circled that
word... Ivor: Say again...
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James: "armies" I
circled that word.
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Ivor: "armies...
" circled that word.
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James: And all
of a sudden... boom!
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Ivor: James and I
are having a moment here.
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James: Yeah. Yvonne:
Oh okay... all right.
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Laughter...
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Ivor: So, "armies" right?
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Armies... so the question is,
okay, well, in order to find out
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what the
"abomination of desolation" is
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all we need to do is
see, "Who are the armies...
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surrounding God's
people at the end of time. "
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Let's go back to
the book of Revelation
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and we'll see that...
what the army consists of.
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So, Revelation... we'll
go to let's go to chapter 16,
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let's go to
Revelation chapter 16
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and Yvonne, if you
can read for me, verse 13.
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"And I saw three
unclean spirits like frogs
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coming out of the
mouth of the dragon,
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out of the mouth of the beast,
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and out of the mouth
of the false prophet. "
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Ivor: Next verse.
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Yvonne: "For they
are the spirits of demons
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performing signs which go out
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to the kings of the earth and of
the whole world, to gather them
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to the battle of that
great day of God Almighty. "
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Ivor: Okay, so here we
see this parallel again
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in Revelation 13,
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the whole world wonders
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when the wound is
finally fully healed...
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in Revelation 13 verse 13,
fire comes down on the earth
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and the whole world is
deceived by these miracles
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and they make this image
which brings about persecution.
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We go over to Matthew 24,
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when you see the
"abomination of desolation"
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everybody is going
to wonder... what...
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"but know, that when I come
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my coming is going
to be like lightning. "
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And by-the-way, we
saw in the last Program,
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that when it talks
about fire in Revelation 13,
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the word there is
used for lightning...
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this miracle of fire
is a miracle of lightning,
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what did Jesus
say? "When I come,
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it will be like lightning from
the east even unto the west. "
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So what we're seeing here
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is that the
"abomination of desolation"
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is a
combination of the dragon...
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Satan himself
appearing as Christ...
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the beast... the Papal authority
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and the false prophet...
apostate Protestantism
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which we are going to identify
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once we get further into
the book of Revelation 13
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but these are the
armies that basically
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are surrounding
the people of God
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at the end of time,
they're the ones going out
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and they're
doing this... they...
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they gather the
world through miracles...
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miracles... so remember...
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now when I think of
"abomination of desolation"
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oh! when I see
this three-fold union...
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of dragon...
beast... false prophet...
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right now, we actually
see a union of how many?
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Two... we see
apostate Protestantism
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and we see the
Papacy working together
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but they don't
have as much authority,
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Islam isn't listening to
them, you know what I'm saying?
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It's like,
"Whatever, whatever... "
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the whole world is
like, "Whatever, whatever... "
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Well, guess what?
When someone comes
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appearing as
the Messiah Himself,
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yeah, then everyone
is going to listen up,
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and by-the-way,
the Bible says...
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and when Jesus speaks of
the "abomination of desolation,"
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He says, "When you see the
'abomination of desolation'
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stand in the Holy Place"
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now, that's interesting
because it doesn't say
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we see him standing
in the Most Holy Place
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it says, "when you see
him stand in the Holy Place"
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so what's in the Holy Place?
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Do you remember?
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: The three
articles of furniture, right?
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There is the candlestick,
there is the Altar of Incense
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and there is the
Table of Shewbread.
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Okay, where is the
Table of Shewbread located?
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On the sides of the north.
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Ha... so, what did
Lucifer want to do in heaven?
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He wanted to sit on
the sides of the north.
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The thing that got
him kicked out of heaven,
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the thing that
made... okay, done...
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when he wanted to
sit in the temple of God,
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showing himself that
he is God. Yvonne: Wow!
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Ivor: He says, "When you see
the abomination of desolation
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stand in the Holy Place... "
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ah... this is what...
in fact, Paul warns us
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that the "man of
sin" which is a power...
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it's not a
specific individual per se,
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it's a power... it's a...
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this power "the man
of sin" is a combination
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of dragon, beast, false prophet
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with Satan himself leading out
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and I don't know if
you've ever seen this, James,
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but when the Bible
says in 2nd Thessalonians
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that he will sit
in the temple of God
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showing himself that
he is God and it says,
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"Let no man deceive you
for that day shall not come
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except the man of
sin be revealed... "
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that word, "revealed" is
the Greek word, "apokalupto. "
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All: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Apocalypse...
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why that's what the
book of Revelation is called
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which means "the revealing" or
the revelation of Jesus Christ
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Oh... so you mean Satan himself
will come as an angel of light
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performing miracles
and telling the world,
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you know what?
You guys have been...
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talking against the Papacy,
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you've been talking against...
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these are my
people, this is true
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and here is a
miracle just to show you
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that what they have
been trying to tell you
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he has been right all along.
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James: What's
really interesting I think
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Ivor in what
you're saying now...
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and I've got a lot of thoughts
going through my brain here
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and so I want to
share a few of them...
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first of all, that
Satan will likely then appear
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as the person that is
revealed in Revelation chapter 1
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the personage of Christ
in Revelation chapter 1,
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because there's a
picture of Him there,
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He's got hair like
wool down to the shoulders
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feet like brass...
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that's the personage that I
think Satan's going to take on
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the counterfeit...
he's going to take on
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so he would be
getting into the Word of God
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and trying to
counterfeit the Word of God,
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as much as possible,
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if possible the
elect will be deceived,
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and then you have
this correlation...
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we correlated
the two beasts here,
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you've got the dragon
which represents primarily Satan
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working through earthly powers
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and the dragon was a
wonder that John saw in heaven
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and so, this
power began in heaven,
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then you've got the land beast
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which has the same
basic configuration
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seven heads, ten
horns, crowns on his head...
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seven heads... ten horns...
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so here now is the
earthly manifestation
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of the work of Satan
that began in heaven.
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James: So you've got
the heavenly manifestation
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deceiving the angels,
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you've got the
earthly manifestation
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deceiving the world...
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two forms of the
same power coming at us.
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Ivor: And I need to just throw
this in here... right in here
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just... the little
horn of Daniel 7...
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in Revelation
12, the Bible says,
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"the dragon cast
the stars to the ground"
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you read about the description
of the Little Horn...
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in Daniel 7... the final...
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the power that thinks
to change times and laws...
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what does it do?
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It cast down the
stars to the ground...
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the Bible said
that the Little Horn
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uprooted the
third of the stars...
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I'm sorry... the dragon uprooted
the third of the stars...
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the Little Horn uproots
one third of the ten horns.
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James: Yeah. Yvonne:
Ohhhhh! James: It's a parallel.
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Ivor: So it's almost as
if God is saying to you,
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"Look, if you've
seen the Little Horn,
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you've seen...
you've seen Satan. "
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James: The power behind him.
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Ivor: You've seen the
power behind him. James: Yup.
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Ivor: Jesus said,
"You've seen me...
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you've seen the Father. "
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You look at the Little Horn,
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you're looking at the
work that Satan has done
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but ultimately, Satan himself...
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and well I think we said
it in the Program before,
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"The Little Horn is to Satan
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what John the
Baptist was to Jesus. "
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James: Yeah, you did say that.
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Ivor: He prepares the way
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for the coming of the
"final deception... " yes.
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James: I like where we're
at right here in Revelation 16,
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the reason I
like this is because
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these verses are not
really taking place... in 16...
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16 is like...
close relation to...
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these verses
are taking place now
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and we know that because
when you read the verses,
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the next verse says,
Revelation 16 verse 15,
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"Behold, I come as a thief.
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Blessed is he that
watches, and keeps his garments,
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lest he walk naked,
and they see his shame. "
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That's holding on to
the righteousness of Christ,
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that's holding on to our
gift of salvation... grace...
00:18:16.76\00:18:20.06
that's holding on to
Christ with everything we've got
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because we have
nothing else to offer
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and we're doing that as
we're being bombarded by frogs
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and frogs... that plague of
frogs was really interesting
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because the frogs... the
plague of the frogs was that
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they were everywhere...
they were everywhere,
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so these three unclean
spirits are bombarding us
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and they are gathering us, now,
verse 16 repeats that thought
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and I just want
to bring this out...
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I don't know if we have time.
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Ivor: I know, I was
thinking, shall we go and see...
00:18:48.89\00:18:50.46
but... we'll do it again.
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James: It's good,
it's good because this...
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all of this really
needs to be unfolded
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before we get to this in time
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otherwise, it will
not make sense... yeah,
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so verse 16 says this,
"And he gathered them... "
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and who is he gathering...
He's gathering the entire world,
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he's gathering the entire world
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"he gathered them
to the place called
00:19:05.97\00:19:08.41
in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon"
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the only place in the Bible,
00:19:10.45\00:19:11.78
New Testament...
Armageddon is used,
00:19:11.81\00:19:13.15
the only place... Armageddon...
"battle of the Megiddo"
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in Mount of the Megiddo, I
don't want to go to that yet,
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I want to go to
the word, "gathered"
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you look up the word "gathered"
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in verse 16, you
know what it means?
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One of the definitions
for the word, "gathered"
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in verse 16 is, "to entertain"
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to entertain...
in other words...
00:19:29.23\00:19:32.10
Satan is working
through these... this...
00:19:32.13\00:19:35.57
these frogs...
which are everywhere...
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Satan is
everywhere... entertaining us,
00:19:37.84\00:19:39.67
everywhere...
he's entertaining us,
00:19:39.71\00:19:41.51
he wants to entertain us
out of the kingdom of God.
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So you got it right here, on
your phone... you got your TV
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you got your movies,
you're on the plane...
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you know, it used to be...
00:19:51.25\00:19:52.59
it used to take a lot of money
to watch a movie on a plane,
00:19:52.62\00:19:55.46
now-a-days, you
just dial them in...
00:19:55.49\00:19:56.83
and they're just right there...
00:19:56.86\00:19:58.19
everywhere you go,
you've got your Red Box
00:19:58.23\00:20:00.30
for a dollar...
whatever it is...
00:20:00.36\00:20:02.86
you've got everywhere...
00:20:02.90\00:20:04.23
you just download events...
00:20:04.27\00:20:05.60
everywhere...
entertainment, sports,
00:20:05.63\00:20:07.54
one thing after another,
00:20:07.57\00:20:09.50
even our political system,
00:20:09.54\00:20:11.41
I'm going to say this year
was all about entertainment
00:20:11.44\00:20:13.74
who could entertain the most
was going to get the most votes
00:20:13.78\00:20:16.64
that's basically what it
was, it's about Twitter...
00:20:16.68\00:20:18.78
I'm not saying we
shouldn't use these,
00:20:18.81\00:20:20.32
I think we should
use them, I think...
00:20:20.35\00:20:22.48
I use Facebook, I
use Twitter, I use media
00:20:22.52\00:20:24.59
to reach people with the gospel
00:20:24.65\00:20:26.52
but we need to be so careful
00:20:26.55\00:20:28.36
because there's
such a fine line there
00:20:28.39\00:20:29.96
between ministry and outreach
00:20:29.99\00:20:32.49
and then, mesmerism, hypnotism
00:20:32.53\00:20:34.93
and just being completely
taken in and mesmerized
00:20:34.96\00:20:38.10
and hooked on one form of
entertainment after another
00:20:38.13\00:20:41.20
including news... it's
just a form of entertainment
00:20:41.24\00:20:44.54
because God is opening
up for us in chapter 16,
00:20:44.57\00:20:47.88
God is opening up for us
00:20:47.91\00:20:49.24
how these powers
are actually working
00:20:49.28\00:20:51.15
they're working to entertain
us, so we're talking now,
00:20:51.18\00:20:54.38
Ivor is breaking down
what it's going to look like
00:20:54.42\00:20:58.09
when the religious and
the civil powers come together
00:20:58.15\00:21:01.76
there's going to be persecution,
there's going to be this...
00:21:01.79\00:21:03.73
that's true...
00:21:03.76\00:21:05.09
but how does that work
out practically in our lives?
00:21:05.13\00:21:06.96
When we leave here today
00:21:07.00\00:21:08.56
when our Viewers turn off this
Program and they go about...
00:21:08.60\00:21:11.50
what is it that is
preparing them either for heaven
00:21:11.53\00:21:15.00
or preparing
them to be deceived?
00:21:15.04\00:21:17.57
It's entertainment.
00:21:17.61\00:21:19.07
Are we holding on to
Christ's righteousness?
00:21:19.11\00:21:21.61
Are we studying Christ?
00:21:21.64\00:21:22.98
Are we following the
Lamb wherever He goes?
00:21:23.01\00:21:24.35
Are we spending
time in the Word of God?
00:21:24.38\00:21:25.71
Are we surrounding ourselves
with spiritual influences
00:21:25.75\00:21:29.35
or are we being entertained
out of spiritual places...
00:21:29.38\00:21:33.02
away from Jesus Christ.
00:21:33.05\00:21:35.06
Is the majority
of our time spent
00:21:35.12\00:21:38.09
focusing on anything
and everything but Christ?
00:21:38.13\00:21:41.03
Ivor: So let me build
something on that now.
00:21:41.06\00:21:43.73
James: Build on...
00:21:43.77\00:21:45.10
Ivor: So, these frogs, okay...
00:21:45.13\00:21:48.14
can we think of another place in
the Bible that deals with frogs?
00:21:48.20\00:21:53.07
Yvonne: Egypt... Ivor: Egypt...
00:21:53.11\00:21:55.14
okay, when these
frogs... in the Old Testament,
00:21:55.18\00:22:00.68
you've got the
story of the frogs
00:22:00.72\00:22:02.95
with the plagues and Moses...
00:22:02.98\00:22:05.22
the reason that these...
00:22:05.25\00:22:08.02
when you look at
the story of Moses,
00:22:08.06\00:22:10.43
you'll see that
on the first plague
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Moses, I think he
turns the water to blood...
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and then the magicians...
they counterfeit that miracle.
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Okay, when it gets to the frogs,
they counterfeit that miracle
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the frogs were a
miracle from God...
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but the magicians
counterfeited that miracle,
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okay, after the frogs...
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they could no longer counterfeit
any of Moses' miracles,
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so check this out... the
frogs were the last miracle
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that they were
able to pull off...
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what is the last miracle...
that Satan will pull off
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the impersonation of Christ.
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Now, along with that,
okay, this... these...
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we're talking about
these frogs and the miracles,
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when Jesus comes again,
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what happens
when He comes again?
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Yvonne: Every eye will see Him.
Ivor: Every eye will see Him...
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yes, but there's
something else that happens too,
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Yvonne: We'll be
changed in a moment...
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Ivor: We'll be
changed... praise God...
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but there's something
else that happens too.
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James: The
resurrection of the righteous.
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Ivor: The
resurrection of dead people,
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you can talk to me...
I'm going to get excited...
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Yvonne: Ohhhhh...
come on... come on...
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Ivor: When Jesus comes again,
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the dead are going
to come back to life.
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James: That's
right. Jason: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Satan's final
miracle is not only,
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"Hey, look, Christ is here...
but to verify that I am Christ,
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look, you've got dead people
that are now talking to you. "
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Now, watch this... if you
haven't been studying your Bible
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and being... "Oh... hey,
what are we going to do now?"
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When this
overwhelming deception hits,
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where you have dead
people appearing and saying,
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"Yeah, this is the Lord... "
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if you don't know your Bible,
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if you haven't been
taking the time to really know
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what you know... guess what?
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The whole world "wondered" when
this deadly wound was healed...
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when this thing happens...
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and by-the-way...
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I don't know what
your definition you saw
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for Armageddon... but
from what I've studied
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it's two words...
"Har" which is Mount...
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and "Megiddo...
" congregation...
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it is the Mount
of the Congregation
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which is the sides...
on the sides of the north.
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So, he's gathering all
this... specifically to war
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against the Mount
of the Congregation,
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against God's people...
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the armies are going
to surround God's people
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and your senses are going
to be overloaded with miracles
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and if you're not firmly
rooted on the Word of God,
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understanding...
look... this is... oh yeah...
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Yvonne: Wow!
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James: There are two
definitions of Armageddon...
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Armageddon... valley
of Megiddo is another one
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but both of them lead
to the same conclusion
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because if you go to
the valley of Megiddo,
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in the Middle East,
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the Mount that you see there
in Megiddo, is Mount Carmel.
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Fire from
heaven... Mount Carmel...
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when you go to Mount
Carmel, you have the same war...
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the same battle that's
been revealed right here
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you have a call to
an apostate people,
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who are following Jezebel
and worshipping "the lord,"
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to worship God...
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you have a decision that has
to be made between Baal and God.
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You have the
three-and-a-half years,
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you have the fire
coming down from heaven,
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you have all of
the same principles
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being revealed there in
that Old Testament story
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that you see being duplicated
now in the New Testament.
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Only, this time, the counterfeit
fire comes before the...
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the counterfeit lightning
comes before the real lightning
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and we're calling people
not to believe the counterfeit
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so Baal's prophets weren't able
to bring down counterfeit fire,
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but in the end of time,
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there's going to be
some counterfeit fire
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before the real lightning comes.
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Ivor: And again, this is
what makes the whole world...
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you talk about ISIS...
you talk about all the...
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James: Islam... they're looking
for the second coming of Christ,
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they're looking for the
second coming of Christ.
00:26:20.24\00:26:22.14
Ivor: And for
Atheists... guess what?
00:26:22.18\00:26:23.51
Seeing is believing...
so hey, "You guys... "
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when they see this, hey...
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James: The Atheists are
very impressed with the Pope
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simply because of the
way that he conducts himself,
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"Who is able to
make war with him?"
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Is what the Bible says
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and before we're through here,
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the question on the
"abomination of desolation... "
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we've just answered it,
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so the
"abomination of desolation"
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is the counterfeit of the truth,
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it's the
counterfeit of the truth.
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So, not just one counterfeit
but every single counterfeit
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is an
"abomination of desolation"
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because it's an abomination
to counterfeit Christ,
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to put a counterfeit
law in Christ's place...
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to counterfeit...
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everything that
counterfeits the truth
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is an
abomination that does what?
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It makes us
desolate... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Let me add this in here,
remember that the set up...
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when he is standing on
the sides of the north,
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the Table of
Shewbread... we pointed this out
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was changed every Sabbath,
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when Satan appears
in the form of Christ
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claiming to have
power to change the Sabbath
00:27:16.97\00:27:20.40
from what it really is,
to the first day of the week,
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then you know... persecution
begins as a result of something
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that the people are
forced to bow down to
00:27:29.58\00:27:31.61
which is in direct
contradiction to the Law of God
00:27:31.65\00:27:34.28
which is why
Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego
00:27:34.32\00:27:36.22
did not bow down...
00:27:36.25\00:27:37.59
they were like, "Nah...
that's breaking God's law,
00:27:37.62\00:27:39.02
we're not doing it. "
00:27:39.05\00:27:40.39
James: And it was a
counterfeit of the genuine...
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you've got an image...
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it was an image
that God showed him...
00:27:43.29\00:27:44.63
so the
counterfeit always resembles
00:27:44.66\00:27:45.99
very closely with the genuine.
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That's what we're seeing
all the way through here.
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We are running
out of time again,
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but that's okay,
we're not in a hurry,
00:27:50.60\00:27:52.90
we want to really
break down these verses,
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we want to understand them,
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I think God has blessed
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and we'll just
continue with the journey.
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Ivor: Praise the
Lord. Yonne: "Amen. "
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