Okay, we're in Revelation 13,
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this is a huge chapter
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because unlike a lot of
the previous prophecies,
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this one is
building to our present time,
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actually, to our
present time and beyond.
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We are going to be
looking at material right now,
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we're going to be
looking at prophecy right now
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that takes us back
to the book of Daniel...
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lays a foundation
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for the history that
we've already covered
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but catapults us
into the future...
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into the direction
that we're going right now.
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Actually, if our
listeners are really careful
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and follow us step by step,
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we're going to be predicting
the future of this world,
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not just this country
but this entire world,
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and it's not us who's
doing that, of course,
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it's the Word of
God that's doing that
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but we're going to be
looking at the prophecies
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that predict the future of
this country and of this world
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in Revelation chapter 13.
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It's a really important chapter,
in fact, I have this page...
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it's removable in my Bible...
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my Bible is old
enough to where it came out,
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I think I used it so
much so that it came out
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but it's kind of handy when
I teach class on Revelation 13,
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I can just take this one page
and so it's really nice, so...
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but we're going to start, of
course, with a word of prayer
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and then we want
to get into a question
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we're trying to answer
one question per program
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and we have a question
that we want to look at
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that Ivor has, so
he can read that for us
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so, Yvonne, would
you want to start us
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with a word of prayer
so we can do our question?
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Sure, "Father God,
what a privilege it is
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to open your Word
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and to know that your Spirit
will guide us into all truth,
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we thank you Lord
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and I just pray
right now for your Spirit,
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we pray that you will
continue to guide and lead us
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and help us all to
understand where we're going
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and that you didn't
leave us without a guide
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you've given us a guide
and we thank you so much
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so we pray for your
Spirit, in Jesus' name, amen. "
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"Amen. "
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All right, so, the
question is actually based upon
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Joel 2 verse 13... and...
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I'm going to summarize it here,
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kind of juice the question
down but basically he's asking,
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"Does God hear our prayers
when we ask for forgiveness
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or does He... does
He bypass our prayers
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because He sees... He thinks
that we're not being sincere"
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in other words, if
someone's struggling with,
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"How can I know if God
really forgives me or not?"
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And for some reason,
there's... we read in Joel 2:13
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it's kind of confusing
as to whether God forgives
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or is willing to
forgive if we have...
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I think...
continue to fall into sin...
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or haven't been able
to overcome something...
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does God just say,
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"Okay, forget it, you
know, I've had enough?"
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So, Joel 2:13...
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Let's read Joel 2:13, you
want to read that for us Jason?
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Jason: Sure, 2:13... or to
14? Ivor: Joel 2 and verse 13.
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Jason: Okay,
"And rend your heart,
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and not your garments, and
turn unto the LORD your God:
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for he is gracious and
merciful slow to anger,
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and of great kindness, and
repenteth him of the evil. "
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James: That is a
really beautiful verse,
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it's a powerful verse,
the context of this was...
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a nation who were God's people,
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who were continuing
with the forms of religion...
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the outward forms...
professing to be God's people
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going to the
temple... worshipping God
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but their hearts
were far from Him
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and the message
Joel was delivering was,
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"You need to rend your hearts
and not just your garments...
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not just the outward... it needs
to be an inner experience. "
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Why? Well,
because God is gracious
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and God is merciful
and God is slow to anger
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and God is of great
kindness and He doesn't even...
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He wants to turn
away repentant...
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that means to
turn away from Him...
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He wants to turn
away even from the evil
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that is the natural consequence
of the things that you're doing,
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the things that God sometimes
has to allow the judgments...
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He sometimes has to allow,
He wants to turn away from those
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and you see this, for example,
in the story of Nineveh...
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where God says, "40
days... the city is going down"
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and then what happens?
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Well, it was a wicked city,
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it was so bad, Jonah
did even want to go there
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and yet the whole city repented,
just like the verse says,
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and when they
repented, what did God do?
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Ivor: Forgave them.
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James: He did... He forgave them
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and He turned away from the evil
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that He told Jonah
to tell them was coming
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and it was so amazing... so
gracious and merciful of God
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that Jonah got upset
about it, he was so upset
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so there are times...
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for this person who is
writing this question about
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"is my forgiveness real...
has God really forgiven me?
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I feel like,
maybe He hasn't... "
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there are times in our
experience of darkness,
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there are times of struggle
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and there are
times when we're just...
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we can be
overwhelmed with ourselves
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and with our
falleness and our weakness,
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but God is always
there to forgive us,
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He is more
inclined to forgive us
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than we are to forgive ourselves
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and so we look at this verse and
we look at the story of Jonah
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and we just go,
"Yes, God is... "
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even if it
angers self-righteous...
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sometimes you can't listen
to self-righteous preachers
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like Jonah... because they're
upset about how God forgives
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and how gracious He is at times.
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Ivor: Yep.
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Yvonne: We can't
rely on how we feel.
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Jason: I was going to say that.
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Yvonne: It's what the Word said
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because if we go by how
we feel Satan is going to...
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oh! he's the
accuser of the brethren...
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so he is going to
keep trying to make us feel
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as though we just
can't get it right,
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well, on our own we
can't but praise the Lord,
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we're all sinners and
in need of a Savior...
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that's why we have a Savior,
so, when the devil starts
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trying to make
you feel not forgiven,
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just... 1st John 1:9 says,
"He is faithful and just...
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if we confess our sins,
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He's faithful and
just to forgive us our sins
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and to cleanse us
from all unrighteousness"
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and we just trust
that He's cleansing...
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it's a process... so...
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James: Amen... amen...
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Praise God, okay, let's
get into our verses here,
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we're back in Revelation...
Jason is going to say that too,
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so Revelation 13... and
let's just begin reading here,
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I think we should read
probably the first what...
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one, two, three, four...
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maybe we should read all
the way through verse ten...
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the first half... should we
read the first half of the book?
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Hmmm... hmmm... Yeah.
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Okay, Jason lead us off here,
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can you read the
first four verses and then
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Yvonne, can you
read the next few...
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"And I stood upon
the sand of the sea,
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and saw a beast
rise up out of the sea,
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having seven
heads and ten horns,
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and upon his horns ten
crowns, and upon his heads
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the name of blasphemy.
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And the beast which I
saw was like unto a leopard,
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and his feet were
as the feet of a bear,
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and his mouth as
the mouth of a lion:
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and the dragon gave him
his power, and his seat,
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and great authority.
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And I saw one of his heads
as it were wounded to death:
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and his deadly wound was healed:
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and all the world
wondered after the beast.
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And they worshipped the dragon
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which gave power unto the beast:
and they worshipped the beast,
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saying, Who is
like unto the beast?
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who is able to
make war with him?"
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"He was given a mount speaking
great things and blasphemies;
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and he was given authority
to continue for 42 months.
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They opened his mouth
in blasphemy against God,
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to blaspheme his
name, and his tabernacle,
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and those who dwell in heaven.
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It was granted to him to
make war with the saints,
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and to overcome them:
and authority was given him
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over every
tribe, tongue and nation
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all who dwell on the
earth will worship him.
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whose names have not been
written in the book of life
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of the Lamb slain from
the foundation of the world.
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If anyone has an
ear, let him hear.
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He who leads into captivity
shall go into captivity:
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he who kills with a sword
must be killed with the sword.
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Here is the patience and
the faith of the saints. "
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Okay, before we go back
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and just look at
these verses point by point,
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one thing just...
is magnified here...
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I think we really
need to emphasis it
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and that is... the Lamb slain
from the foundation of the world
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the Lamb slain from
the foundation of the world
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is centered in Revelation 13
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and a lot of times
we get... we get stuck
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buried even... by all of
the symbolism and prophecy
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and all of the
negative and we forget,
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"the Lamb slain from
the foundation of the world"
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so I think it's so
powerful that God puts,
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"the Lamb slain from
the foundation of the world"
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right here in the middle
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of one of the most significant
prophecies of the Bible
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in the book of Revelation
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reminding us where
our source of strength is,
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reminding us
where we need to go to,
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reminding us that
the cross is still here
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because the Lamb
represents Christ crucified...
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the Lamb slain from the
foundation of the world,
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it's Calvary...
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and a lot of times
when we read Revelation,
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especially Revelation 13,
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we're talking here
about the Mark of the Beast
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and this other
power that comes out
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and makes an image to the beast
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and no one can buy or sell,
and we're going to get killed...
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we forget about the Lamb slain
from the foundation of the world
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and God does not
want us to forget
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about the Lamb slain from
the foundation of the world
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so that's key.
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Okay, going back... I just
want to give a shout-out to
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Brendan Valiant in
South Tweed, Australia,
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he goes to the Kingscliff Church
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which is where David
Asscherick pastors...
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who is part of Light Bearers,
works with us a little bit,
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and Brendan and his
wife have developed these...
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he calls them "Historicals"
he's developed these models
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for Daniel and Revelation
and they're amazing, really,
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these are 3-D presentations,
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he actually wanted me to use
these in a classroom setting...
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at ARISE... I teach
Revelation and Daniel
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and I said, "I'll
do better than that...
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we're doing a program on
Daniel and Revelation right now
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and we're in Revelation
12, send them over to me"
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and so he shipped them over
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and unfortunately,
on the way over here...
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one of these... broke
this guy broke right off.
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Ivor: One of the
heads was wounded.
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James: One of the
heads was wounded!
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and I thought,
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"Brendan, we got to
pass this on to you buddy...
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you need to have a
removable head on this...
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on this model because...
because this works perfectly"
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now, the 3ABN Crew here
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put some sticky tape
on the bottom of this
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so we could put the head back on
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because the deadly
wound is going to be healed
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so you have an
amazing illustration here,
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you've got this beast that has
the seven heads and ten horns
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with crowns on the
horns, it's got feet like a bear
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it's got a body like a leopard,
it's got mouth like a lion
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and the dragon gives
him his seat and his power
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and great authority...
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Yvonne: Wow! James:
And what you have here...
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you have a direct
reference to the book of Daniel
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and the historical
sequence of the kingdoms
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of Babylon,
Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome
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so, Babylon is
the mouth of the lion,
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Medo-Persia is
the feet of the bear,
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Greece is the
body of the leopard...
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then you have the
dragon representing pagan Rome
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all of these are coming
over to the book of Revelation,
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and in the book of Revelation,
it continues further...
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the prophecy
works out even further,
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you've got the ten horns which
are the ten kingdoms of Europe
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with their
crowns representing...
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they were monarchies...
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we're going to see a
beast rise up out of the earth,
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coming up... it has no crown...
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which represents more
of a Republic or Democracy
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and then you've got the
head that was wounded...
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and the wound is
going to be healed.
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So this is illustrating
what we've just read.
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This model
right here illustrates
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everything we've just read
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and what we want to do now
is... we want to dive in...
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we want to understand,
"now what does this mean
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in relation to prophecy today,
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how is this connected to
what's taking place today?"
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Well, obviously, first of all,
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Daniel is reaching back
to the book of Revelation,
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I mean, Revelation is reaching
back to the book of Daniel,
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John is reaching back to
Daniel and he's picking up
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the history of
Daniel going backwards,
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looking
backwards, in other words...
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when Daniel goes
forward, he goes,
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Babylon, Medo-Persia,
Greece, Rome, Ten Horns,
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when John looks
backward, he goes,
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Ten Horns... and then he goes...
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Rome, Greece,
Medo-Persia and Babylon
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because he's looking backwards.
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So, we're coming up to
our present time and what...
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basically what John is doing is,
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he's picking up
where Daniel left off
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and he's going
to take us further
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so Daniel 11 left off
with these four kingdoms
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but ah... there's a little
bit of question mark there,
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what takes place next?
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Well, Revelation
13 is going to tell...
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Revelation 13 is kind of
like a Daniel 13 if you will...
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Daniel has 12 chapters...
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Revelation 13 is
kind of like a Daniel 13,
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taking us one step
further into the future.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: Like you said
Revelation 13:1 and 2
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is Daniel 2, Daniel 7,
juiced down into two verses
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right, we just have
all the beasts there...
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they're composite beasts,
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they're all put together as one
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but they're representing what
we learn in the book of Daniel
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and in the book of Daniel
chapter 7 and Daniel chapter 2
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which we have not
gone over yet in detail
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but we will... in the future.
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So, you have this beast
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that is a reflection of
Daniel chapter 2 verse...
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I'm sorry, Daniel
chapter 7, I should say,
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even though Daniel chapter
2 parallels those same beasts
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and then, in verse 3, it says,
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"I saw one of his heads
as it were wounded to death"
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the question is,
"What this that wound?"
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Right, what is that wound?
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I believe down in
verse, Revelation 13,
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verse 10,
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the Bible says, "He
that leadeth into captivity:
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shall go into captivity:
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he that killeth with the sword
must be killed with a sword. "
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This is a reference back
to this very persecuting power
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that dominated for 1,260
years, it persecuted the saints
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it sought to change
God's times and laws,
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and what we find is that...
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at the end of
this 1,260-year period
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this power is incapacitated,
right, receives the deadly wound
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and this is in 1,798
so that 1,260-year period
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that we have been talking
about in previous studies,
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began in 538...
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that's when the Papacy
began to dominate really...
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all of Europe,
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they were a
political and religious power
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so that's important to remember
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their authority
came from the fact
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that Church and
State had been united
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in order to persecute
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okay, in 1798...
that Church-State Entity,
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was separated, in other words...
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the very thing that
gave it power to persecute,
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was taken away
from it in 1798...
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this is the deadly
wound that's being described.
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So... then the
Bible goes on to say,
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"After this deadly
wound" Revelation 12 verse...
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James: And by-the-way Ivor,
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I like what you
brought out there
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when you connected
verse 10 to verse 3
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because in verse 10,
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the deadly wound is described
historically in detail,
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"He that leads into captivity
must go into captivity... "
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for the 1,260-year period,
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the Papacy had led God's
faithful people into captivity,
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when the Papacy received
the deadly wound in 1798,
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Berthier who was
Napoleon's General
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marched in to Paris and
took the Pope captive...
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he went into captivity...
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"He that kills with a sword
must be killed with a sword"
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so it was the military
power of Napoleon and Berthier
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that took the Pope captive...
put him in prison where he died.
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So it's kind of a
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reaping-and-sowing
type of principle
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that God is bringing out... but
it fits the history perfectly,
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so it's not just the
verse 3, the deadly wound...
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but it's also the
details of the deadly wound...
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he led into captivity...
he goes into captivity...
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he kills with a sword... he
must be killed with a sword.
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Yvonne: Wow!
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Ivor: So what we
have happening now,
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the Bible says in
Revelation 13 verse...
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latter part of
verse 3, so after it says,
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"I saw one of his heads
as it were wounded to death"
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and then it says, "and
his deadly wound was healed"
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okay, so let's
pause right there...
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we're probably going to
spend some time on this because
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if before he was wounded, right,
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what was... what was he doing?
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he was
persecuting the people of God
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right, when he's wounded...
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persecution stops...
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so the healing of the wound
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would indicate the
starting up of... persecution.
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James: By the Civil Power.
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Ivor: In other words,
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Church and State
come back together again
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to persecute.
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This is when the
deadly wound is healed.
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Now when you get a
wound, it takes some time...
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James:
Especially if it was deadly.
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Ivor: Especially
if it was deadly,
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so there's a process of healing
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but there comes a point
where it is totally healed
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and so this is key because
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we look back in the
history and we look at,
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you know, what the Papacy is...
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you know... they are what
they were in the Dark Ages
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right, they are
again a Church-State Entity
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but they don't have the power
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that they had
back in the Dark Ages
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right, that hasn't returned yet
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when this happens,
whatever event this is...
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when it happens...
look again in verse...
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verse 3... look at the
last part of that verse.
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"His deadly wound was healed"
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and what?
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"All the world
wondered after the beast. "
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When this wound is fully healed,
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the whole world
wonders after the beast.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: In other words,
this is something that...
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causes everyone
to fall in line okay,
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so we're looking for something
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that's going to
bring about persecution...
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it's going to be something
that causes the whole world
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to wonder... to
worship the beast.
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So, I want to
talk about this time
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because it's actually a time
that the whole world wonders
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I want you to think about that,
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think about... when we
say, "the whole world... "
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just think about
different groups of people
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that you... you
know... we have Muslims...
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Hindus... Atheists... yeah, all
kinds of people in the world...
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James: Secular...
Ivor: Yeah, Secular right?
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so, in order for the
whole world to fall in line
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to get on one page...
I'd like to say it this way,
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"It would have to
take a miracle... "
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Yvonne: It would.
Ivor: A miracle...
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so look in my eyes as
they get wide... a miracle...
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James: Many miracles...
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Ivor: Or many miracles
for this to happen, right?
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So now that we're going to see
that this healing of the wound,
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it's been... the wound has
been in the process of healing
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but something
happens that brings it to...
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James: It's final...
Ivor: Where the whole...
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so what we need to see is...
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"Okay, has Jesus given
us anything in the Scripture
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that shows us a time when
the whole world will wonder... "
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all right, so let's do
this, we're going to go back
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to the book of... we're
going to go to the book of
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James: Matthew 24...
Ivor: Matthew chapter...
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you know what? Before
we... we'll go into 24,
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hold that there for a moment,
let's go back in Revelation...
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and I want you
to notice something
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in Revelation chapter 13
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and I want you to notice
verse 15... or rather, verse...
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James: Revelation 13:15?
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Ivor: Revelation 13 verse...
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James: Because we haven't
gone to Revelation 13:15.
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Ivor: Right,
Revelation 13 verse 12...
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or verse 13... verse 13...
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so, here in verse 13 it says,
"And he doeth great wonders,
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so that he maketh
fire come down from heaven
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on the earth in
the sight of men.
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And deceiveth them
that dwell on the earth... "
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just pause right
here for a second...
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what happens to
those on the earth
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as a result of this
fire falling from heaven?
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They are deceived
by the miracles...
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right, so I want you to
take Revelation 13 verse 3
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"the whole world wondered... "
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Revelation 13:12... the
whole world is deceived.
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Ah, this might be talking about
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something that is
in the same time period
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or same event that's leading
to the whole world going...
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that's leading to
Muslims and Atheists
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and everyone just...
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so what would this event be?
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Fire falling from the
sky... deadly wound healed...
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persecution beginning...
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by-the-way... it's
this verse in verse 14,
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that... the Bible says
that the whole earth...
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in fact... the
latter part of that verse
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"he deceived them
that dwell on the earth
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by the means of those miracles
00:21:05.86\00:21:07.20
which he had power to do
in the sight of the beast;
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saying to them
that dwell on the earth,
00:21:08.83\00:21:10.17
that they should make
an image to the beast,
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which had the wound by
a sword, and did live. "
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Now, an image to the beast...
how many of you remember
00:21:16.04\00:21:20.94
anything in the Bible
about an image being set up
00:21:20.98\00:21:23.58
that people had to bow down to?
00:21:23.61\00:21:25.51
Remember the story of
Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego?
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Whoever would not bow
down would be... what?
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Persecuted...
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Remember, the
healing of the wound
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is the setting up
of Church and State
00:21:36.16\00:21:38.89
for the purpose of
persecuting the people of God
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okay, so, let's go now
to the book of Matthew 24.
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I'm going to see,
"Does Jesus give us anything
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in Matthew 24 that
would let us know... oh...
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this is the time
that the whole world... "
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James: And by-the-way,
just for our Viewers' sake,
00:21:53.78\00:21:55.98
Matthew 24 is a
prophetic chapter
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so Matthew 24 would parallel
00:21:58.78\00:22:01.42
Revelation and
Daniel's prophetic books
00:22:01.48\00:22:03.99
because here's
where Jesus in His gospel
00:22:04.02\00:22:06.55
gives a prophetic
account of history
00:22:06.59\00:22:09.09
some of which, for us, is past
00:22:09.12\00:22:10.73
and some of which
is still future...
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Ivor: So Matthew 24
and beginning with verse 4,
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the disciples ask
Him... ask Jesus saying,
00:22:15.63\00:22:18.47
"When will be the
signs of your coming?"
00:22:18.50\00:22:21.34
So notice what he's asking,
00:22:21.37\00:22:23.00
"When will be the
sign of your coming?"
00:22:23.07\00:22:25.34
Right? Then Jesus said,
00:22:25.37\00:22:27.08
"Take heed that
no man... " what?
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"Deceives you... "
00:22:28.84\00:22:30.21
so the first thing
He starts off with is,
00:22:30.25\00:22:31.78
"Hey, regarding my second coming
don't let anyone deceive you. "
00:22:31.81\00:22:35.55
Okay, then He goes on to say,
"Many shall come in my name,
00:22:35.58\00:22:38.85
saying, I am Christ;
and shall deceive many.
00:22:38.89\00:22:41.79
And you shall hear of
wars and rumours of wars:
00:22:41.82\00:22:44.59
see that you be not troubled:
00:22:44.63\00:22:46.09
for all these
things must come to pass,
00:22:46.13\00:22:47.60
but the end is not yet. "
00:22:47.63\00:22:49.03
So, He's saying, "Hey,
there are certain things
00:22:49.06\00:22:50.83
that are going to
happen, don't worry about it,
00:22:50.87\00:22:52.60
don't worry about
it... I mean, yeah,
00:22:52.63\00:22:53.97
they're going to be troubling
but don't be worried about it. "
00:22:54.00\00:22:55.70
Read on... verse 7...
or rather... verse 8...
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"All these are the
beginning of sorrows.
00:23:01.18\00:23:02.68
Then shall they
deliver you up to be afflicted,
00:23:02.71\00:23:06.15
and shall kill you:
00:23:06.18\00:23:07.55
and you shall be hated of
all nations for my name's sake.
00:23:07.58\00:23:10.49
And then shall many be offended,
and shall betray one another,
00:23:10.52\00:23:14.16
and shall hate one another.
00:23:14.19\00:23:15.52
And many false prophets shall
rise, and shall deceive many.
00:23:15.56\00:23:17.66
And because
iniquity shall abound,
00:23:17.69\00:23:19.36
the love of many shall wax cold.
00:23:19.39\00:23:21.56
But he that
endureth unto the end,
00:23:21.60\00:23:23.13
the same shall be saved.
00:23:23.16\00:23:24.50
And this gospel of the kingdom
00:23:24.53\00:23:26.40
shall be
preached in all the world
00:23:26.43\00:23:27.77
for a witness unto all nations;
and then shall the end come. "
00:23:27.80\00:23:30.24
And now notice verse
15, now He says this,
00:23:30.31\00:23:32.91
"When you therefore shall see
the abomination of desolation,
00:23:32.94\00:23:38.75
spoken of by Daniel the prophet,
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stand in the holy place,
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whoso readeth,
let him understand:
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Then let them which be in
Judaea flee into the mountains:
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Let him which is on
the housetop not come down
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to take anything
out of his house:
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Neither let him
which is in the field
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return back to take his clothes.
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And woe unto them
that are with child... "
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and He goes on...
notice verse 21...
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"For then shall
be great... " what?
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Yvonne: Tribulation...
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Ivor: Okay, what is tribulation?
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What would that mean?
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Yvonne: Persecution...
Ivor: Persecution...
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so He says, "When you see
the abomination... " of what?
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Desolation... set up...
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that's when you know
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persecution is coming...
so could it be that the
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"abomination of
desolation" being set up...
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would parallel the
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healing of the deadly
wound in Revelation 13
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which would
parallel the miracle...
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miracles of Revelation 13?
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Well, look at what He
says right after this.
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He says, "Then... "
oh, by-the-way, verse 22,
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verse 21... "For then
shall be such great tribulation,
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such as was not since
the beginning of the world
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to this time, no,
nor ever shall be.
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And except those
days should be... " what?
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"shortened... "
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now what would you
call time that's shortened?
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James: Short time...
Ivor: A short time...
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remember in
Revelation 12:7... 12:11...
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where it says that the
dragon came down unto the earth
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and he knew that
he had a short time...
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James: Verse 12...
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Ivor: Wait a minute...
so the dragon at some point
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comes down to the earth
knowing he has a short time...
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whatever this short time is...
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that's the time
that the whole world
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is going to be deceived...
they're going to wonder... why?
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look at the very next
verse, Matthew 24 verse 22,
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verse 22, "Except those
days should be shortened,
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there should no
flesh be saved... "
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that's how serious this time is
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"but for the elect's
sake it shall be shortened.
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Then if any man
shall say unto you,
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Lo, here is... " who?
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"Christ, or
there; believe it not.
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For there shall arise false
Christs, and false prophets,
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and shall shew
great signs and wonders;
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insomuch that,
if it were possible,
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they shall
deceive the very elect. "
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And then He says,
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"Hey, listen, if
they say unto you...
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I'm in the secret
chamber... don't go for it,
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if they say, I'm in the
desert, don't go for it... "
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why? "because as lightning
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shines from the
east even unto the west,
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so shall the coming
of the Son of man be. "
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This counterfeit that
He's warning against...
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is a "counterfeit
coming" of the Son of man.
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It is the dragon
being cast out...
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now, what did He say?
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"As lightning shines out of
the east even unto the west... "
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in Revelation 13 where it talks
about fire falling from the sky,
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guess what the word
here that is used for fire?
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It is the Greek word... "Por"
Por I believe, there's a Por
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that is the word
used for lightning
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Satan's miracle... this
miracle in Revelation 13
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will have
something to do with fire...
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what do you think of
fire falling from the sky?
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James:
Lightning... Ivor: Lightning...
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so this has something to do then
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with Satan himself coming
and giving power to the beast
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and the false prophet
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and this miracle...
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and we're going to
talk about this more...
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because there are other
miracles involved with this...
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but it's these miracles that
bring about that persecution
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that's going to
come at the end of time.
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James: So, basically,
what you're saying Ivor is,
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Matthew 24 is giving us a
basic outline of deception
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false Christ... false
Christ... false Christ...
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leading up to the
abomination of desolation...
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the culmination of this
major religious persecution,
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and it is supplemented by
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Satan trying to personate
00:27:17.23\00:27:19.27
and duplicate the
second coming of Jesus.
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When Jesus comes,
00:27:22.40\00:27:23.91
it's going to be lightning
bright... from east to west...
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Satan is going to try
to counterfeit that...
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his is going to be connected
with some "secret chambers"
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and places where people go
00:27:31.95\00:27:33.45
so he's going to show
up in different places,
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whereas when Christ comes,
it's like... everyone sees it...
00:27:35.28\00:27:38.25
it's worldwide...
every eye shall see Him...
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but it is a counterfeit...
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Ivor: And this is
what makes them wonder...
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James: Yes, and this is
the lightning connection
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that we have... to the fire
from heaven in Revelation 13.
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Ivor: That's right.
00:27:47.43\00:27:48.76
James: Good stuff... all right
we are, amazingly, out of time
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it goes so fast but
we're not done with this,
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we're going to
come right back to this,
00:27:55.17\00:27:56.50
we're going to study it
more because there's a lot here
00:27:56.54\00:27:58.01
that we need to do here.
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Yvonne: It's good stuff...
James: Yeah... simulate.
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