Okay, so we're continuing
in Revelation chapter 12
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we... I think we
could finish it up,
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I think we could finish it up.
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We want to get through
and get into the "meat"
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of the book of
Revelation for us...
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at least in the time
in which we're living
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which is going to be 13 and 14,
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that's where we're going
to hit some major stuff there,
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so we're going to
pick up in Revelation 13,
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we want to have one
question that we ask...
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and I'm thinking if we just
give a little time for questions
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we'll have one
question that we'll address
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and then have a word of prayer
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we can start with
a word of prayer...
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get into the question
and then get into our verses
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and just dive in
how does that sound?
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Yvonne: Sounds good.
Jason, would you pray for us?
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Sure, "Dear Heavenly Father,
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we thank you for the
privilege and opportunity
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that we have here
to study your Word,
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we ask that you would send
your Holy Spirit to be with us
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and to lead and
guide us into all truth,
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in Jesus' name we pray, amen. "
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"Amen. "
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All right, what's our question?
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All right, so the
question that we have is
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involving the seven spirits
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that are before the throne
of God in Revelation chapter 4
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who are they?
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So let's go there,
Revelation chapter 4...
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And what verse are we reading?
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We're going to look at
verse... let's read verse 2.
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Yvonne, can you
read that for us?
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And then we're going
to also read verse 5.
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Two and five of Revelation 4...
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Four verse two...
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"Immediately I
was in the spirit;
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and, behold, a
throne was set in heaven,
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and one sat on the throne. "
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And then five...
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"And from the
throne proceeded lightnings
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and thunderings and voices:
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seven lamps of fire were
burning before the throne,
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which are the
seven Spirits of God. "
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Okay, so Revelation 4:5
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describes these
seven lamps are burning
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and it says: these
seven lamps burning
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are the seven Spirits of God.
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So the question is:
"What are these Spirits?"
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So... want you to notice here...
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we gave the Father...
He's sitting on the throne...
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before Him... you have
these lamps which represent...
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and the verse tells us...
"the seven Spirits of God"
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so the question is,
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"What are these
seven Spirits of God?"
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All right, so, I'm
going to give out some verses,
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let's everyone take
one okay. Yvonne: Okay.
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Ivor: Let's go
to John 16 verse 7,
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maybe Yvonne,
you could take that.
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Yvonne: Sure.
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Ivor: We want to go to
Zechariah chapter 4 verse 6,
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we want to go to John 3 verse 3.
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Jason: I'll do John 3 verse
3. Ivor: So, John 3 verse 3.
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James: All
right, I'll do Zechariah
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since no one can
find that book but me.
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Laughter...
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That's why... you know it's just
two books back of Matthew...
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that's all you have to remember.
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Ivor: All right, so,
and I'm going to find
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1st Corinthians
2 verse 9 and 10.
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So, let's go with...
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first of all, I
want you to notice here
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that whatever these
seven Spirits are...
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they are sent,
right, into all the earth.
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Did we read that verse?
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James: No we didn't...
Ivor: Let's go ahead and...
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James: I did... but...
Ivor: We didn't read it right?
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James: I didn't
read it out loud.
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Ivor: Yeah, I
thought we had read it,
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do you want to just
touch on that real quick.
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James: Yeah, that's
Revelation chapter 5
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so in Revelation chapter 4
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the seven Spirits
are before the throne,
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in Revelation
chapter 5, verse 6,
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"And I beheld, and, lo,
in the midst of the throne
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and of the four beasts,
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and in the midst of the elders,
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stood a Lamb as
it had been slain,
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having seven
horns and seven eyes
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which are the
seven Spirits of God
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sent forth into all the earth. "
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Okay, so these seven
Spirits are sent forth
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into all the earth, right,
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it's called the "Spirit of God"
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ah, hmmm... well
we just got our answer
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right, because
what does God send out?
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Who has John 16
verse 7? Yvonne: I do.
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Ivor: Why don't
you read that for me?
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Yvonne: Okay, "Nevertheless
I tell you the truth;
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It is to your
advantage that I go away:
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for if I do not go away,
the Helper will not come to you;
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but if I depart, I
will send him to you. "
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Okay, so, Jesus says,
"When I depart from here,
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I'm going to send the
Holy Spirit into the earth.
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Hmmm... Hmmm.
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These seven Spirits
represent the Spirit of God.
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It represents the Holy
Spirit sent into all the earth,
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now, how do we know this?
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Because, when you go
back to the Old Testament,
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you remember
that in the Sanctuary,
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there was an
article of furniture
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called the
seven-branched candlestick
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that had seven fires
burning on that candlestick.
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So, James, why don't
you read Zechariah chapter 4
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just read verse 6, let's
describe what's happening
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Zechariah's in vision, he sees
a seven-branched candlestick
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and what else?
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Two olive trees on
either side of the candlestick.
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He doesn't know
what it is, go ahead.
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Zechariah 4 verse 6,
"Then he answered and spake
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and said unto me, This
is the word of the LORD
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unto Zerubbabel, saying,
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Not by might, nor by power,
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but by my spirit,
says the LORD of hosts. "
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"By my spirit...
" in other words,
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He's identifying this
seven-branched candlestick
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as His Spirit, okay,
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so, you have the
seven-branched candlestick...
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now, let me ask...
"What does a candle do?"
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It gives light, so
what you're saying then is
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that you cannot see,
right, without light.
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Guess what the job
of the Holy Spirit is?
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The Holy Spirit enlightens us,
the Holy Spirit helps us to see,
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in fact, Jesus said in John 3:3,
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I don't think it's verse
3, what verse did I give you?
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You gave me John 3:3.
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Go ahead and read that,
let me see if that's it.
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"Jesus answered
and said unto him,
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Verily, verily, I say unto thee,
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Except a man be born again,
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he cannot see
the kingdom of God. "
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Okay, so, he cannot... what?
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See the kingdom of God.
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Why does he need
to be born again?
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The Holy Spirit is given
to him that is born again
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so the Holy Spirit enables us,
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just like the candlestick...
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the purpose of the candlestick
is to allow us to see
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Jesus said, "When
I send the Comforter
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He will show you
things to come...
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He will show you
things to come. "
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And John 16 again
where Yvonne left off
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in verse 13, "Howbeit when
the Spirit of truth is come,
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He will guide you
into all truth... "
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He will guide
you into all truth,
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He will show you things to come.
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Yes, and then, of
course, we have...
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most people who
study this question go back
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to Isaiah chapter 11
verse 1 where it actually speaks
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about the Spirit of
God... the Holy Spirit...
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and identifies it in
seven different ways.
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The Spirit of wisdom,
the Spirit of the Lord,
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the Spirit of
understanding... might...
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I don't know all the
seven off the top of my head
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but this is the correlation
between the candlestick...
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so the candlestick
represents these seven Spirits
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and this is very
important to understand
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you have... in
Revelation 4 and 5...
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you have: Father... you
have these seven Spirits...
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and you have the
Son... all in one setting.
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Three distinct
beings... all in one setting
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pointing us to the Godhead...
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the Father, the
Son, the Holy Spirit.
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Separate individuals...
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but the Holy Spirit... sent
out into the earth to enlighten.
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James: You're talking about
the Lamb in Revelation 5...
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Ivor: That's right,
the Lamb in Revelation 5.
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James: The Lamb...
the Father and the Spirit,
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and then you've got this
phrase, "Holy, Holy, Holy... "
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so, Isaiah 11:1 or verse 2,
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"And the spirit of the
LORD shall rest upon him,
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the spirit of
wisdom... of understanding,
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and the spirit of
counsel and might,
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the spirit of knowledge and the
spirit of the fear of the LORD."
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Yes.
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So, it's really important then
to make that connection again
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that we've been making,
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the book of Revelation
is not some new document,
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it's not some new fabrication
that God pulled out of thin air,
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the book of Revelation is a
summation of the entire Bible,
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so if we want to understand
the book of Revelation
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and the symbols of Revelation...
we go back to the Word of God
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and as we've been doing here
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John chapter 16
and John chapter 3,
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and Zechariah chapter
4 and Isaiah chapter 11,
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identify for us what
the seven Spirits of God are
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and that's what we
do in this program,
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what we do in this program is,
we dig back into the Word of God
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we go back to the Manual...
and we find out how we're wired,
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right, God has not
left us without a Manual.
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I love that, "God has not
left us without a Manual. "
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We find out how we're
wired, how we get fixed,
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what God's plan is,
what the future holds...
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all of it is in the Manual.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
hmmm... James: All right.
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Yvonne: So the seven
Spirits are actually one Spirit
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with seven different
aspects of that Spirit.
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Ivor: That's right,
because... notice this...
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the candlestick... it
was one candlestick...
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it was one...
with seven parts...
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one candlestick... so,
it's one candlestick...
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it's one light, right,
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the seven Spirits of God
is the one Spirit of God.
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James: And not forgetting
also that seven represents...
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or signifies
complete and perfectness.
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Yvonne: Right.
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James: So the seven-branched
candlestick, for example,
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represents the seven churches,
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well there aren't just
seven literal churches...
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there are more
than seven churches
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but seven is a number that
represents complete and perfect
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so... the complete
and perfect Spirit of God.
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Is God limited to
seven characteristics?
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No... no... no... He's got way
more than seven characteristics
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but seven again is...
denotes "complete and perfect. "
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Ivor: Perfection. James: Yes.
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Ivor: All right, let's
jump in. James: Shall we?
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James: Revelation chapter
12, Jason let's pick it up here,
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with verse 13 and we'll
read all the way through,
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verses 13 to 17.
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Okay, "And when the dragon saw
that he was cast unto the earth,
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he persecuted the woman which
brought forth the man child.
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And to the woman were given
two wings of a great eagle,
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that she might fly
into the wilderness,
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into her place, where
she is nourished for a time,
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and times, and half a time,
from the face of the serpent.
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And the serpent
cast out of his mouth
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water as a
flood after the woman,
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that he might cause her to
be carried away of the flood.
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And the earth helped the woman,
and the earth opened her mouth,
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and swallowed up the flood
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which the dragon
cast out of his mouth.
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And the dragon was
wroth with the woman,
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and went to make war
with the remnant of her seed,
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which keep the
commandments of God,
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and have the
testimony of Jesus Christ. "
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All right, so, here we have
an account... a second account
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of a woman
fleeing in the wilderness,
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now this is just a
repeat and enlarge,
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we already touched on this
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in the earlier part
of Revelation chapter 12,
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in verse 6 the woman
flees into the wilderness
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and there, it's
described in verse 6,
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as her... going into her place
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where she should
be prepared of God
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where she should be fed there
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for a thousand two
hundred and three score days...
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1,260 days... a score is twenty,
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three score will be
sixty... so 1,260 days.
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We understand these
to be prophetic days
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that means... a day
is equivalent to a year
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now we base this on
Ezekiel chapter 4 and verse 6
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and Numbers 34 and verse 24
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where it talks
there about this...
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these days that God gives
His people, equaling a year,
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so 1,260 days
equals 1,260 years...
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the time, times,
and a half a time,
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is the same
designated time period...
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God is using a different way
of describing the same period.
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A time... according to Daniel
chapter 4 represents a year
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Daniel chapter 4...
Nebuchadnezzar had a dream
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of this tree that was cut down
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until seven times
should pass over it
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and that seven
times were seven years...
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seven years that Nebuchadnezzar
was acting like a crazy man,
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and so, a time
would represent one year,
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times would be plural
so that would be two years,
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and then half a time
would be half a year.
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So a time... one
year... times... two years...
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half a time... a half a
year... three-and-a-half years
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well, 1,260 days
equaling 1,260 years
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three-and-a-half years
you've got, 30 days and a month
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you've got
three-and-a-half months
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which is 36... 42 months...
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42 months comes out
to 1,260 literal years,
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if you give a day for
every day of the week,
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it comes out the same,
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so the time,
times, and half a time,
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and the 1,260 and the 42 months
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which is... we're going to
look at in the next chapter,
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all of these time
periods are exactly the same...
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they're the same time period
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and they take us
back to the book of Daniel
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Daniel chapter 7 talks about
the same period of "persecution"
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where the woman
flees into the wilderness
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now, the wilderness
is a desolate place,
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it's a place where
the woman has to go
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to escape from
persecution or the flood
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and there's a verse here
that I want us to look at,
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that kind of...
again... Old Testament,
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Isaiah 59, I believe it
is, let me see if I can find it
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that gives us an understanding
of what's taking place
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with this flood,
it's Isaiah 59...
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where is it?
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the verse is...
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pause...
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oh, I'm going to just
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give it right now...
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I'll find it here
in a second... it says,
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"When the enemy
shall come in like a flood,
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the Spirit of the LORD
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shall lift up His
standard against him. "
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So when it talks
about here that...
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Yvonne: Verse 19...
James: Verse 19... Okay,
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Isaiah 59 verse 19,
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yeah, "When the enemy
shall come in like a flood,
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the Spirit of the LORD shall
lift up a standard against him"
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when it talks here in
Revelation 12 about the serpent
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remember now
we've got the serpent
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that's working
through earthly powers, right,
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and the serpent has deceived
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a third part of
the angels in heaven
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and now the serpent is
coming down to the earth
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and he's working
through these earthly powers
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and he's
working... it says here...
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and he's throwing out
this... this flood of water...
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this flood of persecution
because in Revelation 17:15,
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waters represent nations,
peoples, multitudes and tongues.
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This flood of
persecution is coming
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like an enemy
against God's people.
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he's persecuting the
woman... God's people...
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and it says here,
"the earth helps the woman"
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the earth swallows up
this flood of persecution
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that's coming against her
and so, in Revelation 12:6,
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it was the wilderness
that helped the woman.
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It was a place
where she escaped to,
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in Revelation 12... in verse
15 it says... or 16 it says,
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"the earth helps the woman"
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so the earth and the
wilderness are very similar...
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they're both helping the
woman escape this persecution...
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they're both... they're
both designated as a place
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for the woman to flee so,
the earth and the wilderness
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would be a place that is
less populated, we would say,
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than the seas... the waters...
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peoples, nations,
multitudes and tongues.
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The woman went into
less-populated areas
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of the Planet Earth
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to flee or escape from
the persecution of the dragon.
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There's a story
that comes to mind
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as we're looking at this
woman hiding in the wilderness
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and I want to give two verses
so let's split these verses,
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let me have someone go to
1st Kings chapter 17 verse 1.
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James: Jason, you
got that? Jason: Yes.
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Ivor: And then,
Yvonne, why don't you go to
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James chapter 5 verse 17.
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So, 1st Kings
chapter 17 and verse 1.
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You want to read that?
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Sure, "And Elijah the Tishbite,
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who was of the
inhabitants of Gilead,
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said unto Ahab,
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As the LORD God of Israel
liveth, before whom I stand,
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there shall not be
dew nor rain these years,
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but according to my word. "
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Okay, so Elijah
makes this announcement
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that there's going to be no rain
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and the term uses
"for all these years"
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okay, we don't know how long
"all these years" are as yet
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but we're about to
find out when we read
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James chapter 5 verse 17,
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so what does
James chapter 5:17 say?
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"Elijah was a man with
a nature like ours... "
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Ivor: Hold your place
Jason, okay, go ahead.
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"Elijah was a man
with a nature like ours,
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and he prayed earnestly
that it would not rain:
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and it didn't rain on the land
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for three years
and six months. "
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Ivor: Okay, so,
that's 42 months...
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James: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: That's
three-and-a-half years.
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Okay, time, times... but
this is literal time, right,
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so Elijah is in the...
well, let's see what happens,
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let's go back to 1st Kings 17
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and Jason, read
verse 2 to verse 4.
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Jason: Okay, "And the word of
the LORD came unto him saying,
00:16:41.93\00:16:45.33
"And get thee hence,
and turn thee eastward,
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and hide thyself
by the brook Cherith,
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that is before Jordan.
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And it shall be,
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that thou shalt
drink of the brook;
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and I have commanded the
ravens to feed thee there. "
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Ivor: Okay, so, Elijah
is hiding in the wilderness
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for how long?
00:17:03.15\00:17:05.15
Three-and-a-half years...
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he's hiding at a time
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where apostasy is
basically happening in Israel.
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James: Yeah, Baal
worship. Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Okay, Baal worship...
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incidentally, within
this story of Elijah,
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there's a woman named Jezebel,
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and now we can
begin to put together,
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"Ah Man! I remember that
now with the seven churches
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that... we've got the
same period of time...
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we've got this
woman, Jezebel... "
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so, these pictures...
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remember how we talked
about the book of Revelation
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kind of brings the
entire Bible together
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when we have the
Bible... all the pieces...
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Revelation is a
puzzle put together
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right, so, God says,
00:17:46.96\00:17:50.00
"Okay, here are the pieces...
" He puts them out on the table,
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He doesn't just
scatter them all,
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He makes little
pictures... and He says,
00:17:53.70\00:17:56.24
"But these little pictures
belong to a bigger picture. "
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That's what He's doing
here in Revelation chapter 12
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so now we see,
"Okay, this woman...
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who goes into the wilderness,
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hiding for 1,260 years
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'oh, that reminds me of
the story of Elijah... '"
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and what was Elijah
fed in the wilderness?
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One of the things
he was fed was bread...
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what is God feeding His
church during this period?
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He's feeding
them the Word of God
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because apostasy is
going on all around them,
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so, the woman,
represents the church
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being preserved from
the apostasy surrounding her
00:18:32.01\00:18:37.75
during this period of time.
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So, we now talk about the...
the earth opening up her mouth
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and James, you mentioned
Revelation chapter 13 verse 11
00:18:44.22\00:18:49.06
that this beast is seen
coming up out of the earth
00:18:49.09\00:18:52.79
with the horns of a
lamb that speaks as a dragon.
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We're not going to get
into too much detail of that now
00:18:56.46\00:18:59.17
but we will sit... can
we just go ahead and say it?
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James: Hmmm...
hmmm... yeah... that's good.
00:19:02.20\00:19:04.11
Ivor: This power as a
kingdom represents America,
00:19:04.14\00:19:06.64
the United States of America
00:19:06.68\00:19:08.78
and we'll see
this in more detail
00:19:08.81\00:19:10.91
as we get to Revelation 13
00:19:10.95\00:19:12.28
but it's interesting that
it was the founding of America
00:19:12.31\00:19:16.72
that basically helped the
Protestant Reformation survive.
00:19:16.75\00:19:21.19
The earth opened her
mouth to help the woman,
00:19:21.22\00:19:24.39
by-the-way, the
dragon sends out of his mouth
00:19:24.46\00:19:27.60
water as a flood
00:19:27.63\00:19:28.96
and I think he still
operates the same way today.
00:19:29.00\00:19:31.37
So, he still is sending out
peoples, nations, multitudes
00:19:31.40\00:19:35.77
and tongues
after the people of God
00:19:35.80\00:19:37.14
so my advice is,
let's not get carried away.
00:19:37.17\00:19:40.01
That's what the
flood is all about, right,
00:19:40.04\00:19:42.88
trying to get us carried away...
00:19:42.91\00:19:44.58
carried away... right...
00:19:44.61\00:19:46.35
Yvonne: That's good,
that's good Ivor: Let's not...
00:19:46.38\00:19:47.72
some people say,
"Hey with Christianity,
00:19:47.75\00:19:49.08
don't go too far,
let's not get carried away. "
00:19:49.12\00:19:51.32
That's getting carried away,
00:19:51.35\00:19:52.69
right, we ought to be fully
grounded in the Word of God
00:19:52.72\00:19:57.99
so that we are not
carried away of that flood
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right, so again, this woman...
00:20:01.93\00:20:04.60
I mean, this earth opening
up her mouth to help the woman
00:20:04.63\00:20:09.10
is a symbol that... that the
Protestant Reformation was able
00:20:09.14\00:20:14.28
to survive as a result of this
new power coming upon the scene.
00:20:14.31\00:20:19.15
James: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:20:19.18\00:20:20.62
James: It's
really interesting too...
00:20:20.65\00:20:21.98
okay, so we look
at the symbols here,
00:20:22.02\00:20:23.35
you got the woman
representing God's people
00:20:23.39\00:20:25.42
the story of Elijah
reminds us of that...
00:20:25.45\00:20:27.69
two wings of a great eagle,
00:20:27.72\00:20:29.06
now, when God took
His people out of Egypt,
00:20:29.09\00:20:31.86
into the Promised Land... He...
00:20:31.89\00:20:34.83
it says in
Exodus... He took them with...
00:20:34.86\00:20:37.57
or gave them two
wings of a great eagle,
00:20:37.60\00:20:40.24
that's... that was the
symbolism that was used
00:20:40.27\00:20:42.47
to describe God delivering
His people to the Promised Land.
00:20:42.50\00:20:45.84
So, the place that God took His
people in the Old Testament...
00:20:45.87\00:20:49.14
that place was
designated by God describing Him
00:20:49.21\00:20:52.55
as taking them by
two wings of an eagle,
00:20:52.58\00:20:54.22
now you got a place that God is
taking His New Testament Church
00:20:54.28\00:20:57.79
and God borrows that
same terminology that He used
00:20:57.82\00:21:00.96
in relation to His
people in the Old Testament...
00:21:00.99\00:21:04.06
two wings of an eagle...
00:21:04.09\00:21:05.43
and He applies it now
to the New Testament church
00:21:05.46\00:21:07.50
why is that so important?
00:21:07.56\00:21:09.46
Because, I believe
the United States becomes
00:21:09.50\00:21:12.47
God's New Testament
Place for His people...
00:21:12.50\00:21:15.40
just like Jerusalem...
00:21:15.44\00:21:17.44
the Promised Land was
God's Old Testament place
00:21:17.47\00:21:19.94
for His people,
00:21:19.97\00:21:21.31
now we have the United States...
America... I'm going to say,
00:21:21.34\00:21:24.85
the Continent of America...
00:21:24.88\00:21:26.21
being the New Testament
place for God's people.
00:21:26.25\00:21:28.55
It was going to be a land
flowing with milk and honey...
00:21:28.58\00:21:31.05
it was going to be a
land of religious liberty
00:21:31.09\00:21:33.86
for God's people...
economically blessed
00:21:33.89\00:21:35.96
and religiously free for
God's people to be nourished,
00:21:35.99\00:21:39.46
now, it's during the
1,260... it's during this...
00:21:39.49\00:21:42.60
this time of persecution
that the woman flees,
00:21:42.63\00:21:45.70
not just in the wilderness
but also into this earth
00:21:45.73\00:21:49.27
that swallows up
the flood of the dragon
00:21:49.30\00:21:51.24
and the reason
why this is important
00:21:51.27\00:21:53.04
is because... if
you look at the history
00:21:53.07\00:21:55.14
there are two places
where God's people fled
00:21:55.18\00:21:57.21
during this 1,260
years of persecution,
00:21:57.25\00:21:59.91
from 538 to 1,798...
00:21:59.95\00:22:02.15
there are two places that God's
people fled the persecution
00:22:02.18\00:22:05.19
one... was the
wilderness regions of Europe,
00:22:05.22\00:22:07.86
the Alps and areas in
Europe in Italy and other places
00:22:07.89\00:22:12.29
where they were able to escape
to the mountains and find refuge
00:22:12.33\00:22:17.07
from the persecution.
00:22:17.10\00:22:18.73
The second
place... during this period
00:22:18.77\00:22:21.14
was the United States of America
00:22:21.20\00:22:22.90
now, it wasn't the United States
of America when they fled here
00:22:22.94\00:22:25.17
it wasn't even a Colony here,
00:22:25.21\00:22:26.94
there was nothing
here, it was the land...
00:22:26.98\00:22:28.81
but as they started coming over,
during that same period of time,
00:22:28.84\00:22:32.41
we're talking
about... during the Dark Ages
00:22:32.45\00:22:35.42
because America was
discovered before 1798...
00:22:35.45\00:22:38.35
hundreds of years before 1789
00:22:38.39\00:22:40.09
and it was during those
first centuries of discovery
00:22:40.12\00:22:43.32
that more and
more of the pilgrims...
00:22:43.36\00:22:45.66
more and more of
the persecuted...
00:22:45.69\00:22:48.20
religious-persecuted
people came over
00:22:48.23\00:22:50.40
to this Continent and eventually
of course, it was established
00:22:50.43\00:22:53.37
as the United States of America
00:22:53.40\00:22:55.60
so it's amazing
when you think about it,
00:22:55.64\00:22:58.01
you have Isaiah
59:19... the flood represents...
00:22:58.04\00:23:02.31
waters of flood
represents persecution,
00:23:02.34\00:23:04.61
you've got Revelation 17:15...
00:23:04.65\00:23:06.98
that the waters
represent peoples, nations
00:23:07.02\00:23:08.98
and multitudes and
tongues who were persecuted
00:23:09.05\00:23:11.89
and then you've got
this picture of this woman
00:23:11.92\00:23:14.66
who was being lifted by
the wings of an eagle...
00:23:14.69\00:23:18.19
now, wings denote
being lifted off the ground
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in order to get to this country,
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you had to cross over the seas,
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you have to cross over... over
you couldn't just be on the land
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like in the European wilderness
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you had to go
over this massive ocean
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to get into this earth...
this continent of America,
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all of these symbols
here that God has given us...
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it's amazing if
you think about it,
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fit history like a glove...
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it's a perfect fit,
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and what's going to be amazing
and Ivor already touched on this
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is that when you get...
we get into Revelation 13
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we have the rise
of a new kingdom...
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a new earthly power and
it comes out of the earth
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Revelation 13 is going to
point us... point by point,
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step by step to the rise
of America in Bible prophecy
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and show us exactly
what the future holds
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in relation to this country
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which by-the-way we're
fitting the prophetic picture
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almost perfectly today
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we are stepping right in
to what God has predicted here
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in Revelation chapter 13,
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but we're still in Revelation 12
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let's be sure and finish this up
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"And the dragon... " verse 17...
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"was wroth... "
angry with the woman
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"and went to make war
with the remnant of her seed,
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who keep the
commandments of God,
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and have the
testimony of Jesus. "
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Now what is this...
what is this referring to?
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What is this talking about?
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Ivor: So, when we
get to Revelation 12:17,
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there's a shift from
this 1,260-year prophecy
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Revelation 12:17 actually
introduces us to the end-time.
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It introduces us to
the remnant of God's people
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okay, "remnant"
means remainder...
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and they are described as
having the commandments of God
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and the
testimony of Jesus Christ
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so we're going to see
that the commandments of God
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and the testimony of
Jesus become a centerpiece
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from Revelation
12... Revelation 13 on out,
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that becomes the
centerpiece of the controversy
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Satan is after those who
keep the commandments of God,
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have the testimony of Jesus
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and by-the-way,
the testimony of Jesus
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represents in Revelation 19:10
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it talks about
the Spirit of Prophecy
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and what is the
Spirit of Prophecy?
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The Spirit of Prophecy really
is the Holy Spirit, right,
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the Holy Spirit that
guides us into all truth...
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that shows us things to come,
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that's the job
of the Holy Spirit.
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So that's how the prophets...
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they were
motivated... they were moved...
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James: By the Holy Spirit.
Ivor: By the Spirit of God.
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That's the Spirit of Prophecy
manifested through the prophets.
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So again, as we
close Revelation 12:17,
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the dragon... the
woman has "escaped"
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right, that woman is a reference
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to the church
during the Dark Ages
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who, again, came to America
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when it was densely populated...
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I mean, just... not a
lot of... it wasn't...
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James: It was not
densely populated.
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Ivor: It was not densely...
sparsely... I'm sorry...
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sparsely populated... but
she gets her footing here, right
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and the remnant is going
to be produced in this place
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is going to spread
around the whole world...
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and Satan now goes
after that remnant,
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so that's what
we're going to see
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as we begin to get
in Revelation chapter 13
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how he seeks to destroy...
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Revelation 12:17...
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is Revelation 13 to 20
juiced down into one verse.
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Everything from
here on out describes
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the conflict of
Revelation 12:17.
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James: And I love the
fact that this woman is...
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excuse me... this remnant
is the remnant of the woman
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because the woman is identified
in chapter 12 and verse 1
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as being clothed with the sun
of righteousness of Jesus Christ
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standing on the
moon... the Word of God...
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having twelve stars
organized for service
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we talked about
this in more detail.
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One more reference I
want to give is Numbers 14:34,
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I gave the wrong reference
earlier for "a day for a year"
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Numbers 14:34...
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but just... let's
just close this up quickly
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with this thought...
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the remnant of the woman means
00:27:22.84\00:27:26.61
that the reason why she
keeps the commandments of God
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is because she is clothed
00:27:28.74\00:27:30.08
with the
righteousness of Jesus Christ,
00:27:30.11\00:27:31.45
so
commandment-keeping is a fruit
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of being clothed with
Christ's righteousness...
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I love that picture.
Yvonne: Oh! that's great.
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James: Jason, close us out with
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