This is truly the best
part of the book of Revelation,
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there is so much here...
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layer after layer
after layer of truth
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and the reason why
it's so important, I think,
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for us to be able to see
the truth here is because
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God is warning us
about deception...
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deception is huge in
the book of Revelation
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and the warning against it
comes again and again and again
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and that's what we see
here in Revelation chapter 12,
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we've got the
symbols of the woman,
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we've got the dragon,
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we've got the "white"
that the woman is clothed in,
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all taking us back to
Genesis and the first deception
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that was played
on us there with Eve
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and then... we go all
the way back to heaven,
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it all began in heaven...
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the war began in heaven...
what kind of war was it?
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Well, let's pick up with that
after we have a word of prayer,
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let's pick up with
what kind of war it was.
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Jason, pray for us, please.
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Jason: Sure,
"Dear Heavenly Father,
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as we dive deeper and
deeper into Revelation,
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we ask that you would
pour out your Holy Spirit
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so that we may understand
fully what we are reading
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and please be with our
Viewers and Listeners as well,
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in Jesus' name we
pray, amen. " All: "Amen. "
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We know it wasn't a
war of tanks and guns...
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because heaven is much
more sophisticated than that,
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I mean, at the very least it
would be lasers or some kind of
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technology that
is just far beyond us
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but it's pretty
clear from the Bible
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that it was a war of words.
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All: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: War is
something that we think of
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in relation to
military might and fire power
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but the word actually is polemos
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and that word is connected with
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the word that
we use for politics
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: It was a political war,
it was a war that had to do with
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with strategy...
with communications
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the Bible indicates...
in the Old Testament
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that Satan himself
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was a merchandiser
of words against God
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that iniquity was found in him
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and he began to
merchandise this iniquity
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toward the other angels
that would listen to him
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and he started putting
seeds of doubt into their minds
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about God and His
character and who He was
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and we know this for
two reasons, to be a fact...
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not only does it say
it in the Old Testament,
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but we see it happening
in the book of Genesis,
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think about that...
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in fact, let's look
at those verses there
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in Genesis chapter 3 and the
way that he approached the woman
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and then the other
reason we know is because
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that's exactly
what we see happening
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in the world at large today.
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We know that Satan's come
down to deceive the whole world
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his mode of
operation hasn't changed,
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he is seeking to
put seeds of doubt
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into our minds
about the character of God
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and the love of
God and he does it...
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to a large degree...
through religious guys...
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through misrepresenting
Him through religion
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misrepresenting
God through religion
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so, Yvonne, can you read for us,
in Genesis, can you read for us
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Genesis chapter 3 and verses...
just let's start with verse 1
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and let's read all
the way through verse 5.
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Yvonne: "Now the
serpent was more subtle
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than any beast of the field
which the LORD God had made.
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And he said unto the
woman, Yeah, hath God said,
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Ye shall not eat of
every tree of the garden?
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And the woman
said unto the serpent,
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We may eat of the fruit
of the trees of the garden:
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But of the fruit of the tree
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which is in the
midst of the garden,
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God hath said, Ye
shall not eat of it,
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neither shall ye
touch it, lest ye die.
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And the serpent
said unto the woman,
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Ye shall not surely die:
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For God doth know that
in the day ye eat thereof,
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then your eyes shall be opened
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and shall be as gods,
knowing good and evil. "
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James: All right...
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so the first thing that
Satan's saying about God is
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that God can't be
trusted to tell you the truth.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: "God's a liar...
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he's not telling you the truth,
you're not really going to die"
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and the second
thing he's saying is
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that God is selfish...
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"God actually... there
is something in this fruit
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that will make you just like Him
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and He doesn't
want you to have that.
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God is selfish...
and He's a withholder...
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He wants to withhold from you,
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He wants to hold you
down to another level,
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He's kind of...
kind of control you
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and make sure that you don't
get to the place that He is... "
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I mean, these are the
kinds of lies that are obvious
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when you read this...
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these are the kinds of
lies that Satan is insinuating
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but the way he
does it is so subtle...
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because Eve isn't...
all of a sudden saying,
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"What! that... how can
he say that about God?"
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It's not like she even knows
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that God's
character has been assaulted.
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Yvonne: Yeah.
James: It's so subtle.
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Yvonne: It's interesting
to me that Satan took...
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basically took God's word
because if you look at verse 22,
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I know we're kind of
getting off... but...
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James: That verse is
good... verse is good.
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Yvonne: I was asking
the Lord about this once
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because it just
did not connect to me
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and the Lord... I'll
explain what I got from...
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"And the LORD God said,
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Behold, the man is
become as one of us,
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to know good and evil:
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and now, lest he
put forth his hand,
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and take also of
the tree of life,
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and eat, and live
forever... Therefore... "
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in other words
God was telling them
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they had to leave the garden
but the Lord had said Himself
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that... "that they
would become as one of us
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to know good and evil"
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now, the question
is... what is, "to know... "
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that's the question
and I asked the Lord that
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and what He
impressed me with was that
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it's not that
God... we're in competition
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with God on any level
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but God is not contaminated
by evil... and we are...
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so, by them... by
them taking of that fruit,
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they... they became familiar...
intimately familiar...
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he knew her...
they became familiar...
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connected to evil
and that was what...
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that was what
happened here, not so much...
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it wasn't that God was worried
about them becoming like Him
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in terms of what He knew...
He's a creator of the universe
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but it was that He
did not... they were...
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He did not want them to
get contaminated by the evil
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and the sin contaminated
them, so it was not...
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Satan just took God's words
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and gave it just
that little bitty twist.
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James: Just a
tweak... just a tweak...
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just tweaked this a
little bit, it was so subtle...
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and another thing I really like
about what you brought out is,
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"Yes, God never wanted
us to know good and evil"
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even the way He knows it...
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because, it has
brought pain to His own heart.
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Yvonne: Yes...
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James: It has hurt
Him to the utmost...
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He never wanted us
to experience that.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: So, Satan says,
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"He doesn't want you
to know good and evil... "
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and Eve could have said,
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"That's right, and
I trust Him for that,
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I trust that I don't
need to know that... "
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Yvonne: Right...
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James: And we're the same way,
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"God doesn't want
me to have fun... "
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no, He doesn't want you to have
pleasure of sin for a season.
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Yvonne: Right.
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James: Just for a season,
He doesn't want you to have
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any kind of seasonal fun,
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He wants you to have pleasure
for evermore, Psalm 16 says,
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but He doesn't want you to
have pleasure for a season,
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that ends in death.
Yvonne: Right... right.
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Ivor: This war on
words, I think, is a very...
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it's a really...
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a statement that really
brings it together for us
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and the reason that... it
really was a war on words,
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you look at Genesis
chapter 3, what is he doing?
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He's taking God's
words and manipulating it,
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when he was in... when he
met Jesus in the wilderness,
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he was taking the word of God
and twisting it to meet his...
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what he wanted...
and it's interesting
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because if you look at
the book of Isaiah chapter 14,
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I just want us to
turn there, very quickly,
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Isaiah 14... I want you to
notice what it says in verse 12,
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we can read from
verse 12 to verse 13.
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James: Whoever gets
there first, start reading.
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Jason: "How art
thou fallen from heaven,
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O Lucifer, son of the morning!
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how art thou cut
down to the ground,
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which didst weaken the nations!
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For thou hast
said in thine heart,
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I will ascend into heaven,
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I will exalt my throne
above the stars of God:
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I will sit also upon the
mount of the congregation
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in the sides of the north... "
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Ivor: Okay, so,
Lucifer wanted to sit
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on the mount of
the congregation,
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he wanted to sit on
the sides of the north,
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and I think we've gone
over this before in the program
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but "the sides of the north"
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if you were to
look in the sanctuary
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the sides of the north
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is where the Table
of Shewbread is located
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according to Exodus 26 verse 20,
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the Table of Shewbread
is on the side of the north,
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on that side of north
you have 12 loaves of bread
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representing the people of God,
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the congregation of
God so when it says,
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"Lucifer wanted to sit on
the mount of the congregation
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in the sides of the
north... " this is in heaven,
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He wanted to sit over the
congregation of angels in heaven
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now the Table of Shewbread
represents the Word of God.
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Lucifer wanted his word
to be obeyed over God's word.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: This is what he was after,
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"I will be like the Most
High, I want you to obey me
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as if you would
obey the Most High"
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and so when we see
at the very end of time,
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that... the Bible tells us
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that Lucifer, himself,
will appear as an angel of light
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2nd Thessalonians talks about
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"sitting in the temple of God,
showing himself that he is God"
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like, ultimately...
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that verse ultimately
points to Satan himself
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coming and
appearing as Jesus Christ,
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"my word over His
word... " this is the deception
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that the Bible is
warning us... is coming...
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that Satan himself...
it's interesting because
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we often... when we
study the Bible and especially
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having the understanding
of the three angels' messages,
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we often leave
Satan out of the picture
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when it comes to the end time,
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we think that the "man
of sin" is human, right?
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But listen carefully,
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the Head of the
Papal System is to Satan...
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what John the
Baptist was to Jesus.
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John the Baptist prepared
the way... for the coming One...
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in the very same way...
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the "way" is being
prepared by the little horn
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for the ultimate
appearing of Satan himself
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which we understand as
the overmastering delusion...
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deception... and
when that happens,
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it's going to be, "Listen,
oh, that's God speaking"
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he will show
himself that he is God
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and so we see this...
this pattern of deception
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from the war in heaven
that's what he was trying to do,
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he was trying to sit
on the sides of the north,
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"my word over God's word... "
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when it comes to Eve,
"my word over God's word"
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Jesus in the wilderness...
"my word over God's word"
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and at the very end of time,
"my word over God's word. "
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Yvonne: Wow!
Jason: He's lost his mind.
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James: The other
reference I want us to look at
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with this is... is... I
don't want us to read it but
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Ezekiel 28... one verse...
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"You have
defiled your sanctuaries
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by the multitude
of your iniquities,
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by the iniquity
of thy traffic... "
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the things that he has
been trafficking against God,
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the things that he has
been saying against God,
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the words that he's been
communicating against God,
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and the context of Ezekiel
28 is this covering cherub...
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the anointed
one, this Lucifer...
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it's talking about
Lucifer in that context,
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so I think it's
really important...
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what Ivor just brought
out is really key because
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the bottom line for our...
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the basis of our
protection is the Word of God
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and this woman
that's clothed in the sun
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which represents
Christ's righteousness
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is also standing on the moon,
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"Thy word is a lamp unto my
feet, and a light unto my path"
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"a light unto my feet,
and a lamp unto my path"
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it's one of those
two... Psalm 119:105...
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Yvonne: "A light unto my
feet, and a lamp unto my path. "
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Jason: I can't help but
wonder what would have happened
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if Adam and Eve were together
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and not
separated... that very moment,
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what would have happened if
Adam and Eve were together...
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would they have just been like,
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"No, you can go
somewhere with your lies... "
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or would they
have both caved then?
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I can't wait to get
to heaven to find out.
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James: I don't have
a Bible verse on that
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but I know it is important
for the man... not to be alone
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and for the woman and
the man to be together,
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so, let's get back
to Revelation chapter 12
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and I just want us to look here
because we're trying to sort out
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why does John go to
heaven all of a sudden,
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in verses 7, 8 and
9... he's in heaven...
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and he's talking
about this war...
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this conflict that
began in heaven, now,
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I think, one of the reasons
why he does this is because
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God is summarizing the
whole great controversy
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from beginning to end because
He's going to end it right here,
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and He wants us to know where
it started and how it started.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: And it's kind of like...
I was talking with Bobby about
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the conquering of the Canaan...
the new... the promised land...
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and Joshua... and
how they went in...
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and they went around
Jericho seven times and boom!
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It came down...
God took it out...
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and then when it came to Ai...
Jericho was a big strong city...
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when it came to
Ai... Joshua's like...
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"Oh, no problem...
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send a few thousand...
let's take it out... "
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goes in there...
completely routed...
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36 died... they run back...
and Joshua falls on his face
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and he's like, "Lord, I can't
believe he led us out here...
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we're going to die... and
then what about your great name,
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what about you
and your character?"
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And the point that...
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the conclusion
that we're coming to
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as we were talking about
this, a little bit was...
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we trust God for the big sins
in our lives, the Jericho's...
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but we don't always
trust Him for the little ones,
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we think we can deal with those,
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"I can take care
of that little thing"
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but it's the little
ones that keep bugging us
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and they're just
there... and they're there
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and they're there... and
they're there... you know...
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and I think that is
vital for us to understand
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that sometimes we
lose our dependence on God
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when it comes to Him
taking care of little things
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that we think we
have to take care of
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and we don't stay focused on Him
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in relation to everything...
God has everything...
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and so, when we get
in Revelation chapter 12,
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we need to recognize,
"No one can take him out... "
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no one can take out
the devil but Michael...
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and so what happens
in the context of this...
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"Michael prevails... "
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that's a word that I
think is really interesting
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and then, in the
very context of this,
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it says in verse 9...
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"And the great
dragon was cast out,
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that old
serpent, called the Devil,
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and Satan, which
deceiveth the whole world;
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he was cast out into the earth,
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and his angels were
cast out with him. "
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Well, I remember,
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Satan going to the presence
of God in the book of Job,
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the "casting out"
here definitely, okay,
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it definitely happened,
let's say, in a physical sense
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sometime before we
even were aware of it,
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he's cast out of heaven
but in a psychological sense,
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in a political sense,
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Satan still has a
little bit of something...
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even with the
rest of the universe,
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he still dares to walk into
the presence of God and say...
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and God says, "What
are you doing here?"
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He says, "I come
from the earth. "
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: And God points to Job
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but really what
God is doing is God...
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because the whole book of Job
is another "mini" of the dragon
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leviathan is in the book of
Job and Job is like... "Wh... "
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and God's like,
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"I'm the only one that
can take care of Leviathan...
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you can't take
care of Leviathan"
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and so, here, we see... I
think, a final... if you will
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casting out... of the dragon...
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from the minds and the
hearts and the sympathies
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of the heavenly universe.
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Yvonne: Oh, as opposed to
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what happened in
the very beginning?
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James: Yes... Yvonne: Oh...
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James: You see... and the
reason why I say this is because
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"the dragon was
cast out, that old devil,
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and the angels that
were cast out into the earth,
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and his angels were
cast out with him... "
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and verse 10...
"And I heard a loud voice
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saying in heaven,
Now is come salvation,
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and strength, and
the kingdom of our God,
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and the power of his Christ:
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for the accuser of
our brethren is cast down,
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which accused them
before God day and night... "
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and it goes on to say, verse 12,
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"Therefore rejoice, you heavens,
and you that dwell in them
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but woe to the
inhabitants of the earth
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for the devil is come
unto you, having great wrath,
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because he knows he
has but a short time. "
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Now here's the
deal... if you look at...
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look up this verse
for us, John 12:31...
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and we'll get to
that in just a second...
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but if you look at this
in the context of the war...
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the conflict
that's taking place,
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the sympathies that... it says,
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"Now I heard a loud
voice in heaven saying,
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'salvation is
come... ' but on the earth...
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there's still a
problem... " Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: Something has happened
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to change the whole
circumstance of heaven,
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now if this was...
if this took place...
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if these verses have
their only fulfillment,
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or their only application
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to the time when Satan
was cast out of heaven,
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why would there
be war on the earth?
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Adam and Eve hadn't
fallen yet, Adam and Eve were...
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they were warned
about him but they...
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see, there's either something...
there's another application here
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and when you read
these verses, Jason.
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Ivor: James, let me
just add there... that
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not only had Adam
and Eve not fallen yet,
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but they weren't even created.
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James: Yeah...
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Ivor: So, "Woe unto them
that dwell on the earth... "
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this is pointing
us to another time
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because there's evidently
people dwelling on the earth
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when this fall
happens so this is not...
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in other words, yes,
there was war in heaven,
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he was cast out
at the very beginning
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but there's also a casting out
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when there were people
that were dwelling on the earth,
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you see what I'm saying?
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James: Yes... yeah...
there's a casting out,
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let's read John chapter 12,
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I think I want to
start with verse 29,
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let's start there just to
make sure I got the context.
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Jason: You want me to go to 31?
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James: Yeah, let's start with 29
and let's read it really quickly
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start with 29 and yeah...
and read through verse 32.
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Jason: Okay,
"The people therefore,
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that stood by, and heard it... "
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James: No, no, I'm
sorry... verse 30...
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Jason: Verse 30?
James: No, no... verse 31.
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Jason: Okay, verse 31,
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"Now is the
judgment of this world:
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now shall the prince
of this world be cast out.
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And I, if I be
lifted up from the earth,
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will draw all men unto me. "
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James: Okay... do you see
the phrase there that's used?
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"Cast out...
00:18:36.75\00:18:38.15
now shall the prince of
the world be 'cast out... '
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and then what am I going to do?
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I'm going to start
drawing people to me. "
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See what has
happened to the earth?
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Why would He need
to draw people to him?
00:18:46.59\00:18:48.99
Because they'd
been separated from Him.
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So, in this context,
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Jesus Christ,
here, is telling us about
00:18:54.66\00:18:56.53
a future prophecy... the
prophecy includes His death,
00:18:56.56\00:19:00.47
because He says here,
"And I, if I be lifted up... "
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so that's the cross...
00:19:04.27\00:19:05.61
"I'm going to cast him
out... if I be lifted up
00:19:05.64\00:19:09.01
and I'm going to
draw people to me... "
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If we just take
that, those two verses...
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John 12:31 and 32
00:19:12.81\00:19:15.38
and we put it right here
in Revelation chapter 12...
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they have an exact fit,
00:19:17.22\00:19:19.25
because what
happens at the cross is,
00:19:19.29\00:19:21.52
Satan is finally cast
out... "rejoice ye heavens... "
00:19:21.56\00:19:23.89
and yet... but what about
the inhabitants of the earth?
00:19:23.93\00:19:26.19
And Jesus says,
00:19:26.23\00:19:27.56
"I've got to draw the
inhabitants of the earth to me,
00:19:27.60\00:19:29.33
I've got to draw them to me. "
00:19:29.36\00:19:30.70
So right here...
Revelation chapter 12
00:19:30.73\00:19:33.23
is recapping the
whole history, now,
00:19:33.27\00:19:35.84
the reason why this
is important is because
00:19:35.87\00:19:37.21
we have the whole history
of the rebellion in heaven
00:19:37.24\00:19:40.41
from its
beginning and then we have
00:19:40.44\00:19:42.24
the woman who
brings forth a child
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she's caught up to...
00:19:44.08\00:19:45.41
the dragon tries to destroy
the child... she's caught up...
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the child is caught up
to heaven and to His God
00:19:47.55\00:19:49.88
and then we have an
explanation of the cross,
00:19:49.95\00:19:52.25
here you've got the resurrection
but you've got the cross.
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Ivor: So, I'm always looking at
ways to... like, juice it down
00:19:56.32\00:20:00.20
and step back and
look at the big picture
00:20:00.23\00:20:02.30
and what I'm seeing
here in Revelation 12
00:20:02.33\00:20:04.37
is that... in
verses 1 through 6,
00:20:04.40\00:20:06.43
verses 7 onward... is like
a recap of verses 1 through 6
00:20:06.50\00:20:12.81
because what's interesting is...
00:20:12.84\00:20:14.54
if you look at verse 3,
00:20:14.58\00:20:15.91
"there appeared
another wonder in heaven;
00:20:15.94\00:20:17.88
and behold a great red dragon
00:20:17.91\00:20:19.38
having seven
heads and ten horns,
00:20:19.41\00:20:20.95
with his crowns upon his head.
00:20:20.98\00:20:22.42
And his tail drew the third
part of the stars of heaven... "
00:20:22.45\00:20:25.75
and did what? "cast
them to the earth. "
00:20:25.79\00:20:28.52
That's... that's
the war in heaven...
00:20:28.56\00:20:31.26
right, that's the fall
of Lucifer and his angels
00:20:31.29\00:20:34.30
from heaven...
those angels... those...
00:20:34.33\00:20:36.13
the one third of
the stars represent
00:20:36.16\00:20:37.93
one third of the angels,
00:20:37.97\00:20:39.57
so in chapter
12... verses 1 through 6
00:20:39.60\00:20:42.74
you have this
like... shorter version of,
00:20:42.80\00:20:45.91
"Hey, this is all that happened"
00:20:45.94\00:20:47.28
right, but then seven...
it's like it goes back again.
00:20:47.31\00:20:49.71
James: It repeats and enlarges.
00:20:49.74\00:20:51.08
Ivor: There was war
in heaven... and enlarges
00:20:51.11\00:20:52.45
and takes us into more detail.
00:20:52.48\00:20:54.78
James: Yeah, because
verses 1 through 6 include
00:20:54.82\00:20:57.39
the child being born and being
caught up... but not the cross.
00:20:57.45\00:21:00.12
Ivor: Right... it includes
the time, time and a half,
00:21:00.16\00:21:04.49
so when you read further down
00:21:04.53\00:21:06.83
you're seeing... you're seeing
the time, time and a half again,
00:21:06.86\00:21:10.10
you're seeing the woman in
the wilderness again, so God...
00:21:10.13\00:21:13.30
James: And you see Christ again.
00:21:13.34\00:21:14.70
Ivor: And you see Christ again
00:21:14.74\00:21:16.07
so it's almost
as if God is saying,
00:21:16.10\00:21:17.44
"Okay guys, before we
move to Revelation chapter 13,
00:21:17.51\00:21:21.08
I want to make sure...
I'm going to tell you twice,
00:21:21.11\00:21:24.65
I want to make
sure that you got...
00:21:24.71\00:21:26.78
you know where we are, so
that, when we get into this,
00:21:26.82\00:21:30.19
you're not lost...
you're not confused...
00:21:30.22\00:21:31.82
you have no confusion, you
know what's coming next... "
00:21:31.85\00:21:34.39
so God says it
and then He repeats it
00:21:34.42\00:21:37.13
and goes into more detail.
00:21:37.16\00:21:38.49
James: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:21:38.53\00:21:39.86
James: And if there's any place
where God needs to repeat it
00:21:39.89\00:21:42.20
and say it again and
make sure we got it clear,
00:21:42.23\00:21:44.13
this is the place...
00:21:44.17\00:21:45.50
now, I'm not talking
about... this is the place...
00:21:45.53\00:21:46.87
like in the book of
Revelation, I'm talking about...
00:21:46.90\00:21:48.24
this is the place...
like the subject matter,
00:21:48.27\00:21:49.87
this is the most important
subject matter we can talk about
00:21:49.90\00:21:52.87
we're talking about how this
whole great controversy began,
00:21:52.91\00:21:55.84
we're talking
about what it's about...
00:21:55.88\00:21:57.81
it's about God's character,
00:21:57.85\00:21:59.18
we're talking about how
it is promulgated by words...
00:21:59.21\00:22:01.95
by slight
misrepresentations, okay
00:22:01.98\00:22:04.62
about God,
about His character...
00:22:04.65\00:22:07.22
which are continuing on
and being promulgated by
00:22:07.26\00:22:10.43
majorly by religion
even "Christian" religion,
00:22:10.46\00:22:13.23
it totally misrepresents
the character of God.
00:22:13.26\00:22:15.23
I remember when I
was coming out here once,
00:22:15.26\00:22:17.17
I was on my journey to
3ABN, I was in a rental car
00:22:17.23\00:22:21.70
and I was looking
for a radio station,
00:22:21.74\00:22:23.07
you know in Southern
Illinois, it's not hard to find
00:22:23.10\00:22:24.61
a Christian radio station,
that's what I was looking for,
00:22:24.67\00:22:26.47
a Christian radio
station... so, here...
00:22:26.51\00:22:28.24
unlike Oregon where I
live, it's more secular...
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I'm not looking for...
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trying to find a Christian
radio station over secular...
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I'm trying to find the
right Christian radio station,
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you know, like...
there are a lot of choices,
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"All right,
which one do I want?"
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And I stopped
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when I was listening to
these two guys talk about
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predestination...
never heard that before,
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I mean, I
understood the whole concept
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but I never heard two
people on a radio talk show...
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Christians... talking
about it specifically,
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in fact, I had a
hard time believing that
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people really believe that,
like, I knew it was a doctrine,
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okay, Calvinism, right, but,
do people really believe that?
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Yes, these guys
really believed this,
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and they were going
on about predestination
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and how God has created
certain people to be saved
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and God has created
certain people to be lost
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and there are certain people
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who have no chance
of ever being saved,
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and there are other
people that are saved
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and they're
never going to be lost,
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"once saved... always saved...
they're always going to be... "
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and I was
like... "Really? Really?"
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And people were calling
in and they were saying,
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"Wait a minute, wait a minute...
doesn't the Bible say here...
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and doesn't the
Bible say here...?"
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"No, no, no... they were never
saved that they turned from God,
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they were never
saved in the first place,
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no, no, no,
there's no possibility...
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that person was always saved,
he may have been a rebel...
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but he was always saved...
that's just the way it is... "
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And I thought,
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"You know, if you
combined that idea
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with the other idea that
a lot of Christians believe
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that hell is an
eternally burning fire,
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never ending... the
two concepts together...
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'God has created some people to
burn in hell for all eternity'"
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I'm like, "there's
nothing that can misrepresent
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the character of God more
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than the combination of
those two doctrines together. "
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Yvonne: Yeah... yes.
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James: And I
thought, "God has been... "
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and I think about this,
"Has anyone ever said something
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critical about
you that was wrong?
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Has anyone ever misrepresented
you or falsified you?"
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Maybe they've said,
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"You're always late... you
never get here on time... "
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or something like
that, I don't know...
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All: Laughter...
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James: No, seriously...
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and you know how hard that
is sometimes to bear, like,
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"I know I'm late sometimes,
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I know that's not a big
deal I can... that's... yeah...
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what I would expect... "
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but when someone
says something about you
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that is bad and
false... think about God...
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think about His shoulders...
He's been completely...
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and He's so
loving... He's such a...
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He's just like the
opposite of anything
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if you can even imagine...
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we can't even fathom
what He's like and love...
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and He's been completely...
so, now what I do, whenever I...
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whenever I
experience that myself
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where I feel like
I've been misrepresented,
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I just think about God...
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I just think
about His character,
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I just think
about... for 6,000 years
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He's been
completely misrepresented
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in so many ways...
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and He's borne through this
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but finally God is
doing something about it,
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Revelation 12 is telling us
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finally this
testimony is being given,
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"You want to
know what God is like?
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Look to Calvary"
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see, God isn't
casting out by might...
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God is casting out by testimony,
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He's standing up in court
and He's giving His testimony
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He is going to be
on the witness stand,
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the hour of His judgment is come
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and He's going
to make a statement,
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and His
statement is going to be,
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"Here's what you've
seen for 6,000 years
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concerning this fallen angel,
here's what I'm all about,
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I'm all about saving you,
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I'm all about
giving my life for you,
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I'm all about... " and
finally as we see this...
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finally people are
drawn they're just drawn...
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"I want to draw everyone to
me through this revelation... "
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it's a beautiful picture.
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Yvonne: Wow...
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Ivor: Again, if you look at
Revelation chapters 1 through 11
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what you really have
there is just... like I said,
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these little
pieces... little snapshots...
00:25:50.05\00:25:52.25
just like if you
were to open your eyes
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just like a blink, you
open and you close it again
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little pictures...
but in Revelation 12,
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it's the first...
fully detailed account
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about the great
controversy, the whole chapter,
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think about it, from Genesis
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all the way to
Revelation chapter 1,
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there is no
detail... it's just pieces...
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Jesus says, "I beheld Satan fall
like lightening from heaven"
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what else happened?
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James: Yeah,
how did that happen?
00:26:20.34\00:26:21.68
Ivor: Yeah, how did
that happen? Ezekiel...
00:26:21.71\00:26:23.04
"You were the
son of the morning,
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you were cast out...
you will be destroyed. "
00:26:26.68\00:26:29.08
Isaiah 14... "You wanted
to be like the Most High"
00:26:29.12\00:26:32.02
nothing... but when
we get to Revelation 12,
00:26:32.05\00:26:34.49
it's the first time that
the veil is fully pulled back
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from 12 onward...
it's like, God is like,
00:26:38.93\00:26:41.66
"All right, I was
saving the 'October' surprise,
00:26:41.70\00:26:47.44
I was 'saving' that
this is the final revelation,
00:26:47.47\00:26:51.67
look this is what it
is, look, here it is...
00:26:51.71\00:26:54.24
everything, your eyes are... "
00:26:54.28\00:26:55.84
He's revealing the
evidence that shows us,
00:26:55.88\00:26:58.31
"this is what's been going on...
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this is who Satan really
is, this is how the war began
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this is how it's going
to end. " Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:27:04.32\00:27:06.52
James: And I just hope...
I just pray and hope that
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we and all of our
Viewers can see this
00:27:08.79\00:27:10.86
we need to see God
for who He really is
00:27:10.89\00:27:12.89
and the character of
God for who He really is
00:27:12.93\00:27:14.43
and maybe there are people
that have questions about this,
00:27:14.46\00:27:16.83
they want to ask some questions
about some of these doctrines
00:27:16.87\00:27:19.20
and some of the ways that
God has been misrepresented
00:27:19.23\00:27:21.67
and the way
religion has come across,
00:27:21.70\00:27:23.57
so how can they get ahold of us?
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Jason: They should send
their e- mails to: sss@3abn. org
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James: All right, sss@3abn. org
00:27:29.94\00:27:31.98
Yvonne: And there
might be some people
00:27:32.01\00:27:33.35
who want to see this every day,
00:27:33.38\00:27:35.05
on the Parent Network...
it's shown on Saturday evenings
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and sometimes during the week,
00:27:39.72\00:27:41.06
but on Dare to Dream,
00:27:41.09\00:27:42.42
it's on every evening
at 6:30 Central Time...
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James: 6:30 p. m.
Central Time, every day...
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absolutely love
that, praise God.
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Yvonne: Amen...
00:27:51.17\00:27:52.50
James: We are going to continue
our study in Revelation 12,
00:27:52.53\00:27:54.97
we're not done yet, we've got...
00:27:55.00\00:27:56.34
we're going to go
into that second cycle.
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It's going to be
good, lots of good stuff.
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Yvonne: Amen.
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