Okay, we made a good start,
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we got into
Revelation chapter 12,
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we talked about the woman
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and the glorious
picture that's revealed there,
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of course, this woman
representing the Jewish Church
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and Christ coming
forth from this woman
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but I love the big picture of
what was brought out there, Ivor
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where we went all the
way back to Genesis chapter 3
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and we looked at the
conflict and the promise,
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the travailing of the church
all the way through history
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and the amazing revelations...
the shadows, if you will,
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of this conflict that
finally brings forth Messiah...
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and finally He's born and
the dragon tries to destroy Him
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of course through Herod, we
see that in the gospels, but,
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He's caught up to heaven,
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He's caught up to
God and to His throne
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and He's going to
rule the nations, so,
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so we know this is
the birth of the Messiah
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that started our
fourth prophetic cycle,
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we left off in verse 5
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and I'm hoping that
we can just pick up there
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and continue on verse
6, 7, 8 onward and just...
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just understand what
these verses are talking about
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but before we do that,
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the only way that we're
going to understand this
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is if we had a
word of prayer, Yvonne.
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Yvonne: Yes, sure.
"Father, thank you so very much
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for just being with us Lord,
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and helping us to
study your Word...
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please, now bring everything
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into remembrance
that needs to be there,
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help that every
word that's spoken
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will bring you honor and
glory, thank you Father God,
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thank you for your
Spirit, in Jesus' name, amen. "
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All: "Amen. "
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James: Ivor,
something that I've noticed here
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that I think is significant,
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we identified the
woman as the Jewish church
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why? because
Christ was born a Jew,
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He was born in
the Jewish Church,
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we haven't really
looked at Bible verses
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that say that a
woman is the church
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and I think it would be
important for us to do that
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because, in verse 6,
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we see this woman
fleeing in the wilderness
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and the question I am
asking you in this context is
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the Jewish Church was
basically taken out in A.D. 70
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what is the woman that flees...
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what church flees
into the wilderness?
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Has something taken place here
in relation to the church...
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in relation to
early Christian history,
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the history of the church?
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So, what about
a couple of verses
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that identify
the woman as a church
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because we just kind of said,
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"Oh yeah, this woman is a
church... " we kind of said that
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but we didn't really go
and look at some verses,
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so, we have a
few verses on that?
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Ivor: Yeah, I think we can
look at Ephesians chapter 5
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and let's look at verse
20... start with verse 25...
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yeah, Ephesians 5
verse... let's look at verse...
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let's look at verse 23...
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let's start with
verse 23 and read on.
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James: Okay, I've
another one too and that's
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2nd Corinthians chapter
11, and I wanted us to look at
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verse 2, I think, would do it.
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Ivor: Okay, so, I'll
go ahead and read this,
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"For the husband is
the head of the wife,
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even as Christ is the
head of the church... "
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James: Okay... Ivor: okay...
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"and he is the
Saviour of the body.
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Therefore as the
church is subject unto Christ,
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so let the wives be to their
own husbands in every thing.
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Husbands, love your wives,
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even as Christ
also loved the church,
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and gave himself for it;
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That he might
sanctify and cleanse it
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with the washing
of water by the word.
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That he might present it
to himself a glorious church,
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not having spot, or
wrinkle, or any such thing;
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but that it should be
holy and without blemish. "
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: So, these
verses clearly point to us...
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point out to us that
the relationship between
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the husband and the
wife is synonymous with the
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relationship between
Christ and His church.
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James: Okay, the
one I'm thinking about,
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did anyone look that one
up, 2nd Corinthians chapter 11?
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Yvonne: Yes. "For
I am jealous over you
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with godly jealousy:
for I have espoused you
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to one husband,
that I may present you
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as a chaste virgin to Christ. "
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James: All right, so between
those two sections of Scriptures
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and there are a number
of them in the Old Testament
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that are very clear,
"I've likened the daughter of
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Zion to a
delicate, comely woman"
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over and over again,
we see this symbolism
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of the woman
representing the church.
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The woman
representing God's people
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and in this on context, then,
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we've identified this
woman as the Jewish Church
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because Jesus
Christ was born a Jew,
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in the age of the Jewish church
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and in being born a Jew,
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He came into this
world to be the Messiah
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was caught up to heaven... and
then a transition takes place
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the Jewish Nation as a Nation
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rejects Christ...
not individuals...
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there were a lot of... 1000s of
Jews accepted Christ as Messiah
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but the Nation itself...
the Leaders... the Sanhedrin...
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reject Christ, He's crucified,
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their rejection is sealed up
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when they stone
Stephen in A.D. 34
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and at that point,
the Jewish Church...
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is closing the door to
the acceptance of Messiah
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and Christ, even in His death,
He brings 12 apostles together
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and begins a new church,
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one of the apostles, of
course, betrays Christ, Judas,
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and he's replaced...
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and I think Paul ends up being
the final replacement for him,
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but we have the beginning
of the Christian Church,
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and I see, this is what
we're talking about in verse 6
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we're not talking about the
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Jewish Church
fleeing in the wilderness,
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we're talking about
the Christian Church
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fleeing in the wilderness.
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Ivor: Yeah, what's
really interesting is that
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in verse... man, I'm
just having a moment here,
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Yvonne: Oh... you
just saw something, oh...
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come on... come
on... come on now...
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James: I can't remember if you
talk in these moments or not.
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Ivor: I don't talk
during these moments...
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James: You don't
talk during these moments?
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Jason: It's not
healthy to keep it bottled up.
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James: It's not...
you need to let it out.
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Yvonne: He's savoring it.
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Ivor: Yeah... so,
in verse 5 it says,
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"She brought forth a man child,
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who was to rule all
nations with a rod of iron:
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and her child was caught up
unto God, and to his throne. "
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James: Right.
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Ivor: This
whole verse summarizes
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what Israel had been waiting
for for a very long time.
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They had been waiting for
the coming of the Messiah,
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and this tells about His coming,
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His death,
burial and resurrection
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well, here's what's
interesting about that.
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In the book of
Daniel, there is a prophecy
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that pointed forward
to the coming of Christ,
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it is a 70-Week Prophecy,
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that 70-Week Prophecy
basically stated to Israel
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that they had a
certain period of time
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to basically get it together
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and if they did
not get it together,
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the Messiah would be
coming in within this time
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and if they did
not get it together,
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God was basically going
to take the gospel from them
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and give it to a Nation...
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bringing forth
the fruits thereof.
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That prophecy is
called the 70-Week Prophecy,
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it ends in 34 A.D.
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it's the very year you mentioned
in which Stephen was stoned.
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The significant thing
about this is that 70 weeks...
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a week is 7 days...
70 weeks is 70 times 7
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I don't know if you
remember when Jesus...
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when Peter came
to Jesus and said,
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"Jesus, how often should I
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grant mercy to my
enemies, seven times?
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And Jesus said, "No, I
say unto you, 70 times 7"
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70 times 7
represents the number...
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the measure of God's mercy
before that mercy's cut off,
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and so what happens is that
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when Israel had
rejected the Messiah
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and made it... kind of sealed
it with the stoning of Stephen,
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the 70 times 7 was up and
Jesus, as He had prophesied,
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"the Kingdom
would be taken from them
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and given forth to a Nation
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bringing forth
the fruits thereof. "
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: The interesting
thing about this is that
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there are three time prophecies
in the book of Daniel,
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there's the 70 weeks,
there's the 1,260 years
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and then there is
the 2,300-year prophecy
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in which a remnant
comes upon the scene
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which keeps the commandments of
God and has the faith of Jesus.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: In chapter 12,
you have all three present,
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you have the 70 weeks,
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Christ's
coming... being caught up
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in the very next verse,
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you have the woman going into
the wilderness for how long?
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1,260... and at the
very end of the chapter,
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you have the dragon
going after the remnant
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which keep the
commandments of God
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and have the faith of Jesus,
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it attests the
2,300-Day Prophecy
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which we will see when we
get to Revelation chapter 14,
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but this transition from
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literal Israel
to spiritual Israel,
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when we read
Revelation chapter 5 and see,
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"Oh, this is when Christ
is caught up to the throne,
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He came, He died, was
buried... resurrected,
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we know that Old Testament
Israel had rejected the Messiah
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so there's this transition
so when we read in verse 6
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that this woman
flees into the wilderness,
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yeah, this woman is that nation
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bringing forth
the fruits thereof.
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She's spiritual Israel,
made up of Jew and Gentile,
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those who are in the bloodline,
if you will, of Jesus Christ...
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because they've
accepted Him by faith.
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James: Yet, Revelation 12
still calls her the woman...
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Ivor: Yes... and I think
this is really important, Ivor,
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because I think
some of our Viewers are
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struggling with this transition
so here's what I want to do,
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I want us to look
at a couple of verses,
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I'm thinking of Galatians
3:29 and Romans 2:28 and 29
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and the reason why
I want to mention this
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is because the
reason why the woman does...
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God doesn't say
in Revelation 12,
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"The woman gave
birth to the child... "
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then there was another woman,
or then there was a spiritual...
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and then there was a...
no... it's still the woman...
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the woman doesn't change...
see, the woman never changes,
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the woman has always been...
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all the way through history,
it's been the same woman
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and we've got to decide...
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if we're going to be part of
that woman because that woman...
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is the one who gives
birth to the man child
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the seed... she's going
to bring forth the seed.
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That woman is the church,
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always has been...
always will be the church,
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so how are we
part of that church?
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Galatians 3:29...
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Yvonne: I think you hit
the mike on the head because...
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because there's no
statement of a new woman
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and yet, there's
a transition here,
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into another aspect
of the woman, I guess,
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but see, I've never...
I had questions about that
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because it just...
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that's one of the
things that doesn't really...
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I haven't connected it yet.
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James: We're going
to look at three verses,
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we're going to look
at Galatians 3:29...
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Romans 2:28 and 29
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and then we're
going to look at Romans 9.
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Ivor: I'm in Romans 9 right now.
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James: So you get Romans 9,
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you got Galatians 3:29...
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Yvonne, Romans 2:28 and
29, let's start with Jason.
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Jason: "And if ye be Christ's,
then are ye Abraham's seed,
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and heirs
according to the promise. "
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James: The only way
you're Abraham's seed...
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which... the seed of
Abraham is Israel, right?
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Yvonne: Right. James:
Is if you're in Christ.
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Okay, your verses.
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Yvonne: Oh, okay,
wow, Romans 2:28 and 29,
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"For he is not a Jew,
which is one outwardly;
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neither is that circumcision,
which is outward in the flesh:
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But he is a Jew,
which is one inwardly;
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and circumcision is that
of the heart, in the spirit,
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and not in the letter;
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whose praise is not
of men, but of God. "
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James: Okay, so it's inward,
it's in Abraham's seed...
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in Christ or Abraham's seed,
it's not outward, it's inward,
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now what do we have in Romans 9?
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Ivor: Romans 9
verse 6 to 8 and it says,
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"Not as though the word
of God has taken not effect.
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For they are not all
Israel, which are of Israel:
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Neither, because they
are the seed of Abraham,
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are they all children:
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but, In Isaac shall
they seed be called.
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And that is, They
which are the children
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of the flesh, these are
not the children of God:
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but the children of the promise
are counted for the seed. "
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: "the
children of the promise... "
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: See what
these verse are saying?
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These verses are telling
us that it's always been...
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always has been... the
children of the promise.
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Ivor: So, that's Israel...
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James: Yes, yes.
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Ivor: It's still Israel...
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James: It's still Israel...
it's still the woman...
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Ivor: Yeah. James:
It's still the woman...
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just because you
have an official church
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that rejects Christ,
doesn't mean that the woman
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has gone somewhere,
the woman is still present,
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everyone who accepts
Christ is part of this woman,
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the woman continues on...
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no one takes the
identity of the woman,
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no one can steal the
identity of the church,
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the church marches
on... the church marches on.
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It stays... all the
way through it stays...
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it's stable...
it's Christ's church
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and the gates of hell
do not prevail against it
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and it's really interesting
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because the foundation of
the Christian church is Jewish,
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all the disciples were
Jewish... the Messiah is Jewish
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and thousands of
Jews came into that church
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but the goal of the
church was to win the world.
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Everyone was to become
part of Abraham's seed.
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Ivor: That's right.
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James: As the stars of heaven,
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everyone was to
become a spiritual Israel,
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everyone was to be part
of that "saved multitude"
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and so, that's why I
think it's so important
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to see this right here,
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we don't identify God's woman in
Revelation chapter 8 ethnically
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we don't identify her
in a specific location
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she is identified right
here by what she goes through
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first of all,
bringing forth a man child,
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second of all...
going into the wilderness
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and then as she
gets to the very end,
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we see the
remnant of this woman,
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she's identified as
keeping the commandments of God
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and having the
testimony of Jesus.
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There are a lot of Jews that
keep the commandments of God
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but don't have the
testimony of Jesus,
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there are a lot of people
having the testimony of Jesus,
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but they don't keep
the commandments of God.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: So the woman...
the one that's continued on
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and never
stopped and never ceased,
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all the way
through the wilderness,
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all the way through the
Dark Ages, all the way through,
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the woman... when she
comes out in the other end,
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when you see the last
remnant, this is what she does.
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Ivor: And what's
crucial to understand is...
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God has already shown us
through the seven churches
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remember, the
church is the bride
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so as we learn the
history of the early church
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and we're now
looking at Martin Luther
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as part of that church,
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"Oh, but the church can't
be the literal nation of Israel
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because He just
showed us the seven churches,
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we just looked at the
history of the church,
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we looked at the history of the
church... being persecuted... "
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and this is the
description so, Revelation 12...
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we understand it better
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as we understand Revelation
chapters 1 through 11,
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as we understand
the seven churches,
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how they unfold...
He's already showed us
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now He's just saying,
"Okay, I just want to make sure,
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now when I say, 'woman'
you know what that means right?
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Because that's going to
be important to understand
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when we get to
Revelation chapter 17
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when we get to
Revelation chapter 18."
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And we see one woman
trying to go after another woman
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right? One woman trying
to destroy God's bride...
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we begin to
understand these pieces...
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these important pieces,
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you know, I was thinking,
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we talked about the
journey of... of Israel for...
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I mean, sorry, the journey
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to get into
Revelation chapter 12, 13, 14...
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if you're going on a
trip, you get on the plane
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or you get on the
bus... you're traveling
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and eventually when you get
to the place where you're going,
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the place where we're going
is Revelation chapter 12 to 22,
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the journey is
Revelation chapter 1 to 11,
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so we're on the journey...
"Okay, I see that... "
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we're kind of looking at
things on the way there...
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"Wow! that's nice...
oh, look at that over there"
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the destination...
that's where we are right now,
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from 12... 13...
James: Yeah, we're arriving...
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Ivor: We're arriving... so
when we get to 13... 14 onward,
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"Okay, this is where we are now,
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wait... this is where we
are now in earth's history,
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now we're at the destination,
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I can understand
the destination better
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by the journey that
I took to get there. "
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Yvonne: Yeah. Ivor: Yeah.
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James: Now there's something
else God wants us to notice
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in this chapter
that's really significant
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and it underlies...
it's not overtly recognizable
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but it will be as we get
through to some other verses
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but it starts... and I'm
just going to use the word here,
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it starts here in verse
4 and you might wonder why
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why are verses 3 and 4 in there?
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They're talking
about the great dragon,
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having six heads... excuse me...
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seven heads and ten horns
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and crowns on his
heads and then in verse 4...
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"and his tail... drew the third
part of the stars of heaven
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and cast them to the earth"
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why do we transition to that?
Well, here's the reason why...
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because the warning
that God is giving us here
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in recounting this history,
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is a warning against deception,
about being deceived...
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the tail...
according to Isaiah 9:15,
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the tail of any symbolic...
let me re-phrase that...
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the symbolism of the
tail is: lies and deception...
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Yvonne: Ah...
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James: So the
dragon is sweeping these...
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one third of the angels out of
heaven by his lies and deception
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the dragon started
the deception in heaven,
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that was the
first time it happened
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and it happened with the angels,
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the second time it happened
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was in the Garden
of Eden with the woman.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: So you have the woman
and you have the serpent...
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you have the woman and you
have the serpent mentioned here,
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it should remind us
of the Garden of Eden,
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it explicitly here... spells
out the deception in heaven,
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the dragon with the
tail... the third of the angels
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so you've got the
"heaven deception,"
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you've got the
"woman deception,"
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then, the next
deception that is huge right now
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in the Christian world... is the
lack of recognizing transition
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from the Jewish Church
to the Christian Church,
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what we've just talked about
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that the woman continues
on she is God's church...
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God's church is not back with
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this Jewish nation
in the Middle East,
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that's where the focus of
a lot of people is right now,
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that's not it... the focus
is... this worldwide church
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that has continued on...
that's the third deception,
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it's one of the
biggest right now,
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because everyone's thinking,
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"the only way
prophecy can be fulfilled
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is with this
literal Jewish Nation,
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getting the temple
restored... rebuilt...
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God says, 'it's going to lay
desolate till the end of time'"
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: Okay.. and then
the fourth deception...
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and here it is... right
here... the 4th deception,
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it says here, okay here it is...
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verse 9, "And the
great dragon was cast out,
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that old
serpent, called the Devil,
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and Satan, which
deceives the whole world"
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that's what... when Ivor says,
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"we've been journeying
but now we've arrived... "
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this is where we are...
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see... he deceived
a third of the angels,
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right... he deceived
the woman in Eden, right,
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he's deceived a lot of people
in relation to this transition
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but now he's out to
deceive the entire world,
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that's what he's building to,
deception of the entire world,
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so that's where
we've arrived to,
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so God is actually preparing us
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to be able to
withstand the deception
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that's coming
upon the entire world,
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as we get into
the last few chapters
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of the book of
Revelation. Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: And I want to
share something that we...
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it's a little bit backward
because we have not covered...
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typically when you go
through the book of Revelation,
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it's really good to
have an understanding
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of the book of Daniel
first... Old Testament...
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the books go
together... Yvonne: Right.
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Ivor: We're going to be
doing Daniel later on...
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but... there's
something... because God is...
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James and I were
talking and we were saying,
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"You know, in Revelation
12, it seems like these verses,
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like, more than any other verses
in the entire book of Revelation
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that these verses seem
to have like dual layers
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and just hold your place,
read Revelation12:4 again,
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"his tail drew the third
part of the stars of heaven
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and did cast them to the earth"
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okay, this is
talking about the dragon,
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go back, if you will, with me
to the book of Daniel chapter 8.
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James: Oh 8... yeah...
yeah... yeah... yeah...
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Ivor: Daniel
chapter 8, absolutely...
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and in Daniel
chapter 8 and verse 9,
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it speaks about this little horn
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and this little
horn... we understand to be
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a representation
of the Papal Power,
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but notice what it
says of this, it says,
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"And out of one
of them came forth...
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out of one of them
came forth a little horn,
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which waxed exceeding
great, toward the south,
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and toward the east, and
toward the pleasant land. "
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And it waxed great,
even to the... " who?
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All: Host...
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Ivor: "the host of heaven; and
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it cast down some of
the host and of the stars
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to the ground,
and stamped upon them.
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Yea, he magnified himself
even to the prince of the host"
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we'll stop right there,
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it's almost as though
God is opening up our eyes,
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saying, "Hey, look at this verse
but I want you to look at it
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a little bit deeper because I'm
preparing you to see something,
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not only that...
this same little horn...
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just jump back
with me to Daniel 7,
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Daniel 7 and in
verse 8, I believe it is,
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"I considered the
horns, and, behold,
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there came up among
them another little horn... "
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there are ten horns... and
then there's this little horn,
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and again, it's the
same little horn, right?
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Ivor: "before whom there
were three of the first horns
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plucked up by the roots... "
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so this little horn... uproots
three out of the ten horns
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that's roughly one
third of the ten horns...
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All: Hmmm... Ivor:
Okay, what in the world?
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Here you have the
dragon, what is he doing?
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He deceives one
third of the angels...
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or roots one
third of the angels...
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and he casts down the stars
and the host to the ground,
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where have I heard that before?
That's the little horn...
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could it be...
that the little horn
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is doing on earth
the exact same thing
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that Satan did in
heaven? All: Hmmm...
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Ivor: In other
words, God in these...
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in this particular
chapter is giving us like...
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insights that
are... multi-dimensional
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so we're following a pattern
but He's beginning to say,
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"No, no, no, no...
look a little bit closer
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look... because this power that
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appears to be the
mystery of Godliness,
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is actually the
mystery of iniquity. "
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James: Right... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Right...
"It's actually deceptive,
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it's actually doing something...
00:21:29.78\00:21:31.12
even though it's
speaking in my name,
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that's not me... I'm showing you
who this power is really like,
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this power is
really like the dragon,
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and I'm not the dragon... "
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that's what the
world thinks, right,
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that's what the Atheist thinks,
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"Man, God... He is
vindictive... He is... "
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No, no, no, no,
no... wrong picture...
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this is who He is.
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James: I love these parallels,
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I love that
parallel between 8 and 12.
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I never saw that
before, that's so significant
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because there's
another connection.
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James: This is another
connection between the books
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of Daniel and Revelation and
I think it's really important
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to see those connections.
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Ivor: So, back in
11... I'm sorry... 12...
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James: 12... yeah,
so, now we're getting into
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some principle, key verses,
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we've got deception,
deception, deception,
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"Well, I don't know, maybe...
maybe he's going to deceive us,
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maybe he isn't going to
deceive us, how, how... "
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well, wait a minute...
let's read verses 7, 8 and 9,
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and see just how
powerful this deception is.
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Jason, read those
verses for us, would you?
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"And there was war in heaven:
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Michael and his angels
fought against the dragon;
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and the dragon
fought and his angels,
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And prevailed not;
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neither was their place
found any more in heaven.
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And the great
dragon was cast out,
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that old
serpent, called the Devil,
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and Satan which
deceiveth the whole world:
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he was cast out into the earth,
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and his angels were
cast out with him. "
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James: His angels... did
Satan create angels, like,
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"What do you
mean... 'his angels?'"
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Is... Satan's the creator
and God created some angels
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and then Satan
created some angels?
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How did he get
angels? He deceived them.
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You actually become...
you are possessed by Satan...
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you become his property,
it's not like you have freedom,
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"they're mine... "
okay and now, they have...
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they have been deceived
so what we need to realize is
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Satan's work has
started in heaven,
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Satan deceived
unfallen angels, it's powerful,
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God is saying, "Look out...
you're not safe on your own
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this is what you're
dealing with right here,
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this is a power that you
can't handle yourself... "
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but I love the focus
of this because it says,
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"Michael and his angels
fought against the dragon;
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and the dragon fought and
his angels and prevailed not...
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and prevailed not... "
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so, there is a place for...
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we might even say there's a
place for church discipline,
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there is a place for discipline,
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Satan is allowed
to continue existence
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but he's not
allowed to stay in heaven.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: He's
kicked out of heaven,
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"This... your
place in heaven is lost
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because you would cause
chaos, you would cause division,
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you would cause
anarchy... right here,
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if you stayed right here...
" so, he goes out of heaven
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because he's not prevailing
because the dragon now...
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I mean... because Michael now,
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Michael... the word Michael
means "one who is like God"
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one who is like God...
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Jason: That makes me
think about Adam and Eve
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when they were
kicked out of the garden,
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when they were deceived but
they still were allowed to exist
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and all that stuff, yeah.
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James: So we're coming
back to the issue of character,
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"one who is like God... "
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in other words,
Satan is kicked out
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by someone who... I
don't think it's by force...
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this war is not a...
"I'm stronger than you... "
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this is a... polemic...
this is a war of words...
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this is a war of character.
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Ivor: Michael...
"one who is like God. "
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James: Yes... yes...
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Ivor: Keep
going man, keep going.
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James: Yeah, I will... I will...
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Ivor: You give me a minute...
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give me a minute, go, go,
go, you got to build your theme.
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James: All right, hold on let me
just put my Timer on real quick
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a minute... a minute...
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okay let's start right
there, okay, 59 seconds...
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okay, so, this is
a war of character,
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the only way that
Satan can be kicked out is if
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Michael prevails in
revealing God's character
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because Satan has sought
to undermine God's character,
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deceived the angels
about God and we know that
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because when we go
to the Garden of Eden,
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that's what Satan
does immediately with Eve.
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Satan probably tells her the
same things he told the angels.
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"God is restrictive...
God wants to control you...
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God knows that in the day
you eat, you will be like Him...
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He wants to keep
you on a lower level...
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I'm just telling you...
I'm just telling you because
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I like God, He's
got a great Kingdom
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and He's really
good at what He does,
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on His place and time but...
you've got to graduate from that
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you've got to move on, you know,
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you've got to... you
need to come to my school
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and I can teach you some things
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that you're not
going to get from God
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and it will be better
for you, you'll be wiser...
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you'll have all kinds of
insight and understanding... "
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and Michael comes and He
just reveals this character
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He's not warring...
fighting in the sense of...
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He's just revealing more
and more of the character of God
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and we have to make it... oh...
sorry... the timer... time's up.
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Ivor: Michael...
I'm following you...
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so, Michael... the name
means, "the one who is like God"
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Lucifer was cast
out of heaven, why?
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Because he wanted to be like God
"I can be like the Most High"
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but why was he cast out?
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What deception was
there in being like...?
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Because there's nothing wrong
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with wanting to be
like the Most High...
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but Lucifer...
had iniquity in him,
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in other words, he
rejected God's law,
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Lucifer, basically,
in heaven, was like,
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"Look, I can be like
God without obeying His law"
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I don't need a law in order to
determine what righteousness is,
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I can determine it for
myself what righteousness is,
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so, Lucifer was
anti-Law... which...
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"Man, oh, I can be like God,
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I can be holy without a
Law telling me what to do"
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you know what?
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That's exactly what
the little horn does,
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"You can be like God... you
don't need to obey His Laws"
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that's exactly what he
told Eve in the Garden...
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he didn't say, "Eve,
do you want to be evil?"
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he said, "Eve, you can be
like God without obeying Him,
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you can be like
Michael, you can be like God. "
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Ivor: So this term of
"Michael" fighting it...
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the argument is,
"How can you be like God?
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Is it through
your own righteousness
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or is it submitting to
the will of God?" Yeah...
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James: And what does
it mean to be like God?
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Ivor: And what does
it mean to be like God?
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James: We are out of time again,
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we're going to pick this
up... we've got to look at this
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because this is
a powerful picture
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and we've got to see how this
war impacts us today, right now.
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Yvonne: Yeah, ooooh.
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