We made it...
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I've said that a couple of times
and I really mean it this time.
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We are half way
through the book of Revelation.
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I think this is program
number 48 or something like that
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but I'm so thankful that
we are just taking our time
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and moving through
this at a steady pace,
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rehashing... re-summarizing...
going back over,
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asking questions...
answering questions...
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I think that's really important
for us... for our Viewers...
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Revelation 12 is a landmark,
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it is... it is in a
sense... it is the zenith...
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it is the center...
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it is the height of
the book of Revelation,
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it's an incredible
chapter, I would say,
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and I think we talked
about this a little bit earlier,
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that without Revelation
12... Revelation 13 and on...
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it is almost meaningless...
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it brings
insight and explanation
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to everything that's
been happening on Planet Earth
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for the last six thousand years
and it is the vital testimony
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that has to be given in the
case against God, if you will,
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now, Revelation chapter
12 is going to begin with
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the introduction in
our fourth prophetic cycle,
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and that's what we're
going to be looking at
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so, we want to start
with a word of prayer
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and then we want
to actually review,
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"What are these prophetic cycles
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that we've been talking about?"
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Because that's been
a few programs back...
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and, "How does this qualify
as the fourth prophetic cycle
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and how does it qualify
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as the fourth and
last prophetic cycle?"
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So, what is a prophetic cycle?
How does this qualify as one?
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And how does this
qualify as the last one?
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That's what we look
at... Yvonne: That's good.
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James: Jason, take us away...
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Jason: All right,
"Dear Heavenly Father,
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as we study your word,
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we ask that you
would expand our minds
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and prepare us to
receive these powerful truths
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that you have for us today,
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send your Holy Spirit
to lead us into all truth
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and our Viewers as
well and Listeners,
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in Jesus' name we
pray, amen. " All: "Amen. "
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James: All right,
so we've been looking
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at the book of
Revelation as organized...
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and there are different ways
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that you can approach
the book of Revelation
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but we've decided
that the book of Revelation
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is written with these
four prophetic cycles,
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they have a beginning
point and an ending point.
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And the beginning
point is in the Apostolic Age
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with special reference to Jesus,
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and the ending point is the
new heavens and the new earth
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and so, there are four
times in the book of Revelation
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when we start in the
Apostolic Age with Christ
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and we end it in the new
heavens and the new earth.
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The first one is the beginning
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Jesus comes to John
in the Isle of Patmos,
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there He is,
right there in Patmos
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this is the Apostolic Age,
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this is the time
when John was alive
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and there comes Jesus
and He introduces Himself
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to John in an Island
in this glorified form
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and reveals that He's
among the candlesticks...
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it's a reminder of
the incarnation of Christ,
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and then... when you
get through the churches,
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you find these promises
that are given to each church
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that relate to the new
heaven and the new earth,
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you get to the
end of the churches,
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that prophetic cycle is over
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then you start a
second prophetic cycle
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the second prophetic cycle
begins in Revelation chapter 4,
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4 and 5... introduce us
again to the Apostolic Age.
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How do we know that?
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Well, first of all, in chapter 5
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the slain lamb is
introduced in heaven,
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He's introduced, in chapter 4,
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the seven spirits are
before the throne of God,
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that's the Holy Spirit...
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but in chapter 5... they're
sent out into all the earth.
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So, you have in this prophetic
cycle... the Apostolic Age...
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the lamb... who
has just been slain,
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it's presented in
symbolic language, of course,
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it's not happening in A.D. 90...
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and the Holy Spirit has
been poured out into the earth,
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so that's the Apostolic Age,
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that's the beginning of
the first prophetic cycle,
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you move through the horses,
the white horse, the red horse,
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the black horse, the pale horse,
and you go all the way through
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the fifth seal,
sixth seal, seventh seal,
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then you have the
sealing of the 144,000...
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and you have this great
multitude that no man can number
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that stand around
the throne, they say,
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"Praise God, we're saved... "
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they don't hunger anymore,
they don't thirst anymore,
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they're led behind
rivers of living water
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boom! that's the new
heaven and the new earth,
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end of the
second prophetic cycle.
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Yvonne: Okay, wait, wait,
wait, you kind of lost me,
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so the first one
is the Apostolic Age
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and the second one
is the Apostolic Age?
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James: Yes, each prophetic cycle
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begins with the Apostolic Age,
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each prophetic cycle ends in the
new heaven and the new earth.
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Yvonne: Okay.
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James: So when you
start the churches,
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you're starting in John's time
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and you're going all
the way to the new heaven
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and the new
earth. Yvonne: Right...
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James: When you start the
seals, ah, next prophetic cycle,
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start all over again...
boom! back to Apostolic Age,
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and then we go all the
way through again in history,
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a new heaven and a new
earth. Yvonne: Ah... hmmm...
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James: Now we get to
the trumpets... boom!
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where are we going?
Back to the Apostolic Age...
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and that's really helpful
when we get to the trumpets
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because when the trumpets
are given to the angels,
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there's a pause and
we see another angel
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and he goes to an altar and
he take incense from the altar
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and he mingles it with
the prayers of the saints
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in the golden altar in heaven
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and then he takes
fire from the altar
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and casts it into
the earth, we're like,
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"That could
mean almost anything"
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there's a censer
thrown down to the earth,
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that could mean
the close of probation,
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we could be
anywhere, well, no...
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because our
first prophetic cycle
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begins with the Apostolic Age
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and the outpouring
of the Holy Spirit,
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the second prophetic cycle
begins with the Apostolic Age
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and the outpouring
of the Holy Spirit,
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and
by-the-way... seven churches...
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outpouring of the Holy Spirit,
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hear what the Spirit
says to the churches...
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hear what the Holy
Spirit says to the churches,
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so the third prophetic cycle,
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begins in the same place,
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so do we have something
that lines up historically
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with the symbolism of
the angel representing Christ
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taking incense from the
altar representing His merits
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from the cross into heaven
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to the Sanctuary in
heaven and the Holy Place
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to mingle it with the
prayers of God's people
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and then fire being cast down
out of heaven into the earth,
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yes, we have the outpouring
of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost.
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Jesus went to heaven...
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He took His
sacrifice with Him in heaven...
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He mingles that
sacrifice... His merits...
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with the
prayers of the disciples
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who were praying for the
outpouring of the Holy Spirit
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on the day of Pentecost
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and when this
Spirit is poured out,
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what does it look
like? Fire... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: Cloven tongues
of fire on their heads,
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so we have...
again... the Apostolic Age,
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in Revelation 7 trumpets,
that's where it begins,
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the first trumpet... the
destruction of Jerusalem,
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the second
trumpet... pagan Rome...
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then you have the
rise of this Papal Power,
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that is given time...
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and judgment is coming
against them but it's given time
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before it actually
feels the final judgment
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and then we go all
the way... last program...
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all the way down to the
seventh trumpet or the third woe
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second coming of
Jesus, reward to the Saints,
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destroy them that
destroy the earth,
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new heaven and the new earth
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those are the three prophetic
cycles we've gone through so far
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and they're prophetic cycles,
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because they begin
in the Apostolic Age...
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that's the evidence in each
one of them in the Scripture
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and they end in the new
heaven and the new earth.
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So, now we get to Revelation 12,
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and what we're suggesting is
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Revelation 12 begins
another prophetic cycle,
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that's number one...
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number two... the
prophetic cycle, of course,
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has to be identified...
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how do we know it's beginning
another prophetic cycle,
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okay, and number three,
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where does the
prophetic cycle end?
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Does it end in the
same place the others have?
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And if so, where does the...
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the one we're
beginning in Revelation 12,
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where do we find it
taking us to the new heaven
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and the new
earth? Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: Okay, so,
first of all we want to read
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Revelation
chapter 12 verses 1...
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I think we should read all
the way through to verse 5.
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What do you think?
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Ivor: Yeah. James:
Yeah, one through five
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and we're going to look
for the prophetic cycle.
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Ivor: And I want to just...
I want to juice that down
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and actually point to something
that is very, very powerful
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in Revelation 12,
verses 1 through 6,
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when we read it,
we're actually going to see
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that Revelation 12:1 through 6
is like the entire Old Testament
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juiced down into
six verses... as well as
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the entire history
of the Apostolic Church
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down to the Dark
Ages to the end of time,
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juiced in these
verses, it's amazing,
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but those cycles that are...
that James is talking about,
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we can see it... we
can see that same cycle
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in the pattern of the Sanctuary
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and you'll remember
that we talked about
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how the priest, right,
when he went in on the...
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during the daily services,
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he would go in among the
Seven-branched Candlestick,
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the Altar of Incense
and the Table of Shewbread,
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it was a simultaneous ministry
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and so, this is what he
was doing on a daily basis
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and when he attended to one,
he was to attend to the other,
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so we know these three cycles
of churches, seals and trumpets
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are all occurring in the context
of the daily ministration,
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right, but in connection
with that daily ministration
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was something called
the yearly ministration,
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that was, when the High Priest
moved into the Most Holy Place,
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on the Day of Atonement
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and on the Day of Atonement,
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he moves into
the Most Holy Place,
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the Sanctuary, in a
sense, he enters into this veil,
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okay, inside the Most Holy Place
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the veil is
opened and he enters in,
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the next time the veil
is significantly opened,
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is when he comes
out to bless the people,
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when he comes out
to bless the people,
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the Day of
Atonement is basically ended
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and those who had not
made themselves right with God,
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were cut off
after the High Priest
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moved out of the Sanctuary,
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so, we're going to see
that Revelation 1 through 11,
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is all... day...
mostly... 80 percent
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because remember the sevens
of each... six... seven...
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bring into Most Holy Place View
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but most of these
churches, seals, are occurring
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in the context of
the Daily... okay...
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when we get to
Revelation chapter 12,
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there's suddenly a
shift... we're transitioning
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because remember 1119,
the temple was opened...
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James: In heaven...
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Ivor: The temple was
opened in heaven and now,
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the
understanding of God's people
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is... "Wait a minute...
this is Most Holy Place stuff,
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the third woe...
Jesus is coming again...
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and there's a judgment going on
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and those who are
unprepared for the judgment,
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guess what happens in
Revelation chapter 15,
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the temple is
opened one more time,
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it's the third time
the temple is opened
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in the book of Revelation
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but this time, when
the temple is opened,
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you have the seven last
plagues that are coming out,
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those seven last
plagues are what we would call
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the last set of sevens,
there are seven churches,
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seven trumpets, seven seals,
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and then the seven last
plagues, now notice this,
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the seven last...
because you would think,
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well, why don't we just
parallel the seven last plagues
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to the time periods
of the seven churches
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but no, you're
dealing with different times
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one is Holy Place the
other is the Most Holy Place
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so we know that
these seven plagues
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don't start the same time
as the seven churches or...
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they're starting after
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something is done
in the Most Holy Place,
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which means they're going
to be a much shorter duration
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than the other sets of sevens,
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so that again just gives
us... we step back and we say,
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"Okay, this is
what we're looking at"
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we're looking at the
whole book of Revelation
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is based upon this theme
of the Sanctuary diagram.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: So that's just kind of...
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bringing around what
we were first discussing
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in our first program,
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so we know
we're not losing sight
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of where we are...
what we're looking at...
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Yvonne: Right... right...
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James: And it's
really interesting isn't it
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that this four... of these
different parts of the Sanctuary
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in the Holy and Most Holy
Place there's the Candlestick...
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there's the Altar of Incense and
there's the Table of Shewbread
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and then there's
the Most Holy Place
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that's four
articles... four places...
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and then there's this
four prophetic cycles,
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in the first prophetic cycle...
Jesus is among the candlesticks
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which is in the... Holy Place...
Most... in the Holy Place...
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and the second prophetic cycle,
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there's is this book...
or this roll... the scroll...
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that's the center
that's being unsealed
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and that would
represent the Word of God
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which is the Table of Shewbread
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and in the third prophetic
cycle the angel has the censer
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and he's offering
his righteousness before
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the golden altar
which is before the throne
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and that's the Altar of
Incense, so all of the articles
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in the Holy Place are implied
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in the three
prophetic cycles so far,
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the first one with the churches,
the second one with the roll,
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and the third one
with the Altar and incense,
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and then when you enter
the fourth prophetic cycle
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which we're entering right now,
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you enter it by going
into the Most Holy Place.
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Ivor: Right, that's right...
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James: The Ark was
opened in the Most Holy Place
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so now we're going
into the Most Holy Place
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and here is where we're
seeing a picture of this
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phenomenal of the
whole great controversy,
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from beginning to end,
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God is just kind of distilling
it down bringing us to...
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like Ivor said in verses 1
through 6 of Revelation 12,
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God distills the whole history
of this church and Christ
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and the transition from
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Jerusalem church to
the Christian church...
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all down into the six
verses, so let's read them,
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let's read them and get into it.
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Yvonne: Okay.
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Jason: Sure, "And there appeared
a great wonder in heaven;
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a woman clothed with the sun,
and the moon under her feet,
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and upon her head a
crown of twelve stars;
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And she being with child
cried, travailing in birth,
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and pained to be delivered.
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And there appeared
another wonder in heaven;
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and behold a great red dragon
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having seven
heads and ten horns,
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and seven crowns upon his heads.
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And his tail drew the third
part of the stars of heaven,
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and did cast them to the earth:
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and the dragon
stood before the woman
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which was ready to be delivered,
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for to devour her
child as soon as it was born.
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And she brought
forth a man child,
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who was to rule all
nations with a rod of iron:
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and her child was caught up
unto God, and to his throne.
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And the woman fled
into the wilderness,
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where she hath a
place prepared of God,
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that they should feed her there
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a thousand two
hundred and threescore days. "
00:14:04.64\00:14:07.08
James: Whew...
there's a lot here...
00:14:07.11\00:14:08.44
there is a lot here.
00:14:08.48\00:14:09.81
Ivor: Do you
see the whole Bible?
00:14:09.84\00:14:12.01
James: Yes, it's there, yeah...
00:14:12.05\00:14:13.98
Ivor: In 1 through 6,
how's that going to happen?
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I can just juice the
Bible down in six verses...
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the whole history...
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James: I like
the way he says that,
00:14:21.42\00:14:22.86
"Juice it down,
juice it down... "
00:14:22.89\00:14:24.29
because I could say,
"distill it down... "
00:14:24.33\00:14:26.39
but "juice it
down... " is just that...
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there's a lot of minerals
and nutrients in the juice.
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Yvonne: Exactly...
00:14:29.90\00:14:31.23
James: You've taken
everything out to distill it
00:14:31.27\00:14:32.87
but you put everything
in... here's the deal...
00:14:32.90\00:14:34.67
and I want you to
notice the parallels
00:14:34.70\00:14:36.44
and Ivor's brought it up,
00:14:36.47\00:14:37.81
in Revelation
chapter 12, there's a woman,
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in the book of
Genesis, there's a woman,
00:14:39.97\00:14:42.24
in Revelation chapter
12, there's a serpent,
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in the book of
Genesis, there's a serpent,
00:14:44.48\00:14:46.75
in Revelation chapter
12, there's deception,
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in Genesis, there's deception,
00:14:49.05\00:14:51.35
in Revelation chapter 12,
00:14:51.42\00:14:52.95
the woman is clothed with light,
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you know, a lot of artists,
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when they depict Adam and Eve
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in the Garden of
Eden before they sinned,
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they picture them
naked, and, of course,
00:15:02.53\00:15:04.60
no one paints
naked Adam and Eve,
00:15:04.63\00:15:07.04
so they're always covered
by an animal or by a branch
00:15:07.07\00:15:09.87
or something like that,
but when you look, you're like,
00:15:09.90\00:15:12.27
if it weren't for the branches
and animals, they'd be naked,
00:15:12.31\00:15:14.61
but that's not Biblical...
that is not Biblical...
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the Bible tells us very
clearly that God, Himself,
00:15:17.98\00:15:21.25
is clothed in light,
He's clothed in light
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and He made us in His image,
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see, the reason why Adam
and Eve, weren't ashamed...
00:15:26.39\00:15:29.66
when they were naked is because
they were clothed with light
00:15:29.72\00:15:31.96
and the reason
why they were ashamed
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and realized they were naked
00:15:33.73\00:15:35.10
is because they
lost the robe of light,
00:15:35.16\00:15:36.97
they lost it... it
was gone... it was like...
00:15:37.00\00:15:38.67
"Oh, we'd
better cover ourselves"
00:15:38.70\00:15:40.04
before that time, they
were covered with light
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so, you have this
woman clothed with the sun
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light... you see the...
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God is borrowing out
of the book of Genesis,
00:15:49.44\00:15:52.11
all of the symbols,
all of the language,
00:15:52.15\00:15:54.38
He's... the woman
has been restored,
00:15:54.45\00:15:56.65
she's again... and you
know where she's standing,
00:15:56.69\00:15:59.29
she's not standing in the
suppositions of the serpent,
00:15:59.32\00:16:01.59
"Well, you know,
00:16:01.62\00:16:02.96
did God say, well,
God's trying to... "
00:16:02.99\00:16:05.29
she's standing on the moon,
00:16:05.33\00:16:06.66
which is a symbol
of the Word of God
00:16:06.70\00:16:08.36
and she's clothed
with the light, standing...
00:16:08.40\00:16:11.23
so, what God is doing is,
00:16:11.27\00:16:13.03
God is basically
giving us a big picture...
00:16:13.07\00:16:14.60
just in verse 1, He's
giving us a big picture
00:16:14.67\00:16:16.17
and He's saying, "Guess what?
00:16:16.20\00:16:17.54
Everything is going back
to the beginning of Creation,
00:16:17.57\00:16:21.48
I'm restoring...
what you're about to read
00:16:21.51\00:16:23.75
is the process by which
restoration has taken place... "
00:16:23.78\00:16:26.78
Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:16:26.82\00:16:28.15
James: If you
had only one chapter
00:16:28.18\00:16:29.52
in the book of Revelation,
00:16:29.55\00:16:30.89
if you had only one
chapter in the Bible,
00:16:30.92\00:16:32.25
Revelation 12
would be the chapter
00:16:32.29\00:16:33.92
because it brings
us the whole story,
00:16:33.96\00:16:35.86
Revelation 12 bring us stuff
00:16:35.92\00:16:37.79
you won't find
anywhere else in the Bible,
00:16:37.83\00:16:39.79
like, for example,
where this all started,
00:16:39.83\00:16:41.76
we're not going
to get that far ahead
00:16:41.80\00:16:43.80
but here's the first
thing we want to prove,
00:16:43.87\00:16:45.27
remember... Ivor
started the program by saying,
00:16:45.30\00:16:46.67
"this is the
fourth prophetic cycle,"
00:16:46.70\00:16:48.04
so what we need to do is,
00:16:48.07\00:16:49.40
we need to prove
that we're starting...
00:16:49.44\00:16:50.97
this is starting
in the Apostolic Age,
00:16:51.01\00:16:52.41
tell me, how do we know
00:16:52.44\00:16:53.78
that this is
starting in the Apostolic Age,
00:16:53.81\00:16:55.14
any clues to how do we know
00:16:55.18\00:16:56.64
that this is
staring in Christ's day?
00:16:56.68\00:16:58.01
How do we know that this
isn't something that took place
00:16:58.05\00:17:02.32
in 1844 or something
that took place in 1969
00:17:02.35\00:17:06.25
or something that took place
in back in Babylon somewhere?
00:17:06.29\00:17:09.96
Who is this
woman, who is this child?
00:17:10.03\00:17:12.39
What happens to the child?
00:17:12.43\00:17:15.23
Yvonne: The child is...
00:17:15.26\00:17:17.97
the woman always
represents the church,
00:17:18.00\00:17:20.77
right, and the Son here,
Son... would represent Jesus.
00:17:20.80\00:17:28.94
James: Right... so obviously
00:17:28.98\00:17:31.75
this is the birth of Christ.
00:17:31.78\00:17:33.11
Yvonne: But here's
my question. James: Yes.
00:17:33.15\00:17:34.88
Yvonne: The church did
not give birth to Christ,
00:17:34.92\00:17:38.59
Christ actually gave
birth to the church, did He not?
00:17:38.65\00:17:41.96
I mean, not gave birth...
00:17:41.99\00:17:43.32
James: But when Christ was born,
He was born of the Jewish church
00:17:43.36\00:17:45.66
that's where He came from.
00:17:45.69\00:17:47.03
Yvonne: Oh, from
the Jewish church.
00:17:47.06\00:17:48.76
Ivor: Listen to this, verse 2,
00:17:48.80\00:17:50.67
it says, "And she
being with child cried,
00:17:50.70\00:17:52.73
travailing in birth, and
pained to be delivered. "
00:17:52.77\00:17:54.50
So, here's the question,
does it talk about... juicing?
00:17:54.54\00:17:57.51
Like, when... this is the...
00:17:57.54\00:17:59.54
this is the church... and
the Old Testament church...
00:17:59.57\00:18:02.84
Yvonne: Okay. James:
The Old Testament Church.
00:18:02.88\00:18:04.78
Ivor: This is the Old
Testament Church, okay,
00:18:04.81\00:18:06.15
but when did the
Old Testament Church
00:18:06.18\00:18:08.08
get pregnant with
Christ, go back to Genesis 3:15,
00:18:08.12\00:18:12.69
in Genesis 3:15, God says,
"I'm going to give you a seed
00:18:12.72\00:18:15.59
and that seed is going
bruise the head of the serpent,
00:18:15.62\00:18:18.46
the serpent is going
to bruise his heel. "
00:18:18.49\00:18:20.23
James: And He's
talking to the woman.
00:18:20.26\00:18:21.60
Ivor: He's talking to
the woman. James: Yeah.
00:18:21.63\00:18:22.96
Ivor: Right, so,
the whole Old Testament
00:18:23.00\00:18:25.00
is the woman travailing in birth
00:18:25.03\00:18:27.80
waiting for the Messiah to come,
00:18:27.84\00:18:29.97
this is... verses 1 and 2...
00:18:30.01\00:18:32.04
is literally... James:
The whole Old Testament.
00:18:32.07\00:18:34.24
Ivor: I'm going to
throw this bottle of water,
00:18:34.28\00:18:37.35
I'm just want to...
what! this is the whole...
00:18:37.38\00:18:40.15
the whole thing, right,
this is the... Israel...
00:18:40.18\00:18:42.92
God's people... the 12 stars...
00:18:42.95\00:18:44.39
God's people...
Yvonne: Okay, it's Israel...
00:18:44.42\00:18:46.45
Ivor: This is
Old Testament Israel.
00:18:46.49\00:18:48.39
Yvonne: That would
make more sense to me.
00:18:48.42\00:18:49.76
Ivor: But these verses
bring us right up to the cross,
00:18:49.79\00:18:52.19
where you'll see,
in... when we get to verse...
00:18:52.23\00:18:56.26
is it verse 6?
Where He's born, yeah...
00:18:56.30\00:18:59.43
James: Oh, where He's
born... so, He's born...
00:18:59.47\00:19:00.80
yeah that's in verse 6, yeah.
00:19:00.84\00:19:02.17
Ivor: Where He's
born, travailing to be born,
00:19:02.20\00:19:04.11
and... so this is
the Old Testament church
00:19:04.14\00:19:06.71
waiting for the
coming of the Messiah, right.
00:19:06.74\00:19:08.08
James: Verse 2... verse 2...
00:19:08.11\00:19:09.44
Ivor: And, you'll see what
happens when the Son is born
00:19:09.48\00:19:11.98
and then it takes on a
whole new dimension, but...
00:19:12.01\00:19:14.78
verses 1 and 2...
Old Testament church...
00:19:14.82\00:19:17.52
waiting for...
travailing in pain...
00:19:17.55\00:19:19.65
that's the whole Old
Testament, they're waiting...
00:19:19.72\00:19:22.99
travailing in
pain... they're in labor...
00:19:23.02\00:19:25.79
waiting for this
Messiah, who would it be?
00:19:25.83\00:19:28.56
James: Love it... love it.
00:19:28.60\00:19:30.87
Ivor: Yeah, so this is
literally taking us back to...
00:19:30.90\00:19:33.67
it's not just symbolically
pointing us back to Genesis...
00:19:33.70\00:19:36.47
this is... and guess
what? The dragon is like...
00:19:36.50\00:19:40.91
from Genesis 3,
the dragon is like,
00:19:40.94\00:19:43.01
"All right, I'm standing
before this woman... wait...
00:19:43.04\00:19:45.91
I don't know when
the child's coming...
00:19:45.98\00:19:47.62
but I'm standing
here and I'm waiting...
00:19:47.68\00:19:49.28
because whoever it
is... I'm taking Him out"
00:19:49.32\00:19:51.62
and he thought it
was Cain... James: Yeah.
00:19:51.65\00:19:53.05
Ivor: Right,
thought... "Is this the child?"
00:19:53.09\00:19:56.12
well... deceives him...
wins him over to his side,
00:19:56.16\00:19:58.83
then it's Abel...
"Oh, another one...
00:19:58.86\00:20:00.90
James: "I got Cain,
now I'll get Abel... "
00:20:00.96\00:20:02.86
Ivor: She's got another one!
all right... I will kill... "
00:20:02.90\00:20:04.23
And she just keeps
bringing, you see... so,
00:20:04.27\00:20:05.67
Satan is looking... waiting...
00:20:05.70\00:20:08.10
who's the
child... who's the child?
00:20:08.14\00:20:09.54
when they come... the Magi
had come looking for Jesus,
00:20:09.57\00:20:13.17
it's like, "Okay, this
is Him, this is Him... "
00:20:13.21\00:20:16.28
Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm... hmmm...
00:20:16.31\00:20:18.11
James: And here's
another confirmation here
00:20:18.15\00:20:19.98
in these verses of
how Satan's working, so,
00:20:20.02\00:20:21.78
we talked about Satan,
00:20:21.85\00:20:23.39
we talked about all
these Nations and...
00:20:23.42\00:20:25.39
and we've implied
that Satan's come,
00:20:25.42\00:20:27.36
he's the fallen angel...
he's this... he's that...
00:20:27.39\00:20:28.79
and yet we've identified nations
00:20:28.82\00:20:30.63
well, here, it
becomes very clear
00:20:30.66\00:20:32.06
because it says here
as you look in verse 4,
00:20:32.09\00:20:35.63
it's talking about
the dragon in the context,
00:20:35.66\00:20:39.13
a great...
"another great wonder"
00:20:39.17\00:20:41.37
in verse 3... "the
dragon" and it says,
00:20:41.40\00:20:42.87
"And his tail drew the third
part of the stars of heaven,
00:20:42.90\00:20:44.87
and did cast them to the earth:
00:20:44.91\00:20:46.24
and the dragon
stood before the woman
00:20:46.27\00:20:48.11
that was ready to be delivered,
00:20:48.14\00:20:50.28
to devour her child
as soon as it was born. "
00:20:50.31\00:20:53.42
So, how did he do that?
Was this some red dragon
00:20:53.45\00:20:56.48
standing in the manger
there, no, so how did he do it?
00:20:56.52\00:20:59.45
He's working through Herod,
so this... this interpretation,
00:20:59.49\00:21:03.59
this application of
Christ can be verified now
00:21:03.63\00:21:05.66
in the history
of the Bible itself,
00:21:05.69\00:21:07.36
you go back to the
Bible and you find that
00:21:07.40\00:21:08.96
when the Magi came looking
for the Messiah in Jerusalem,
00:21:09.00\00:21:12.43
they're just like... "Okay,
we'd better get there early
00:21:12.47\00:21:15.60
because
everyone's going to be...
00:21:15.64\00:21:16.97
the front row is
going to be full,
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the back row...
the second row...
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we're going to have to sit
up in the balcony somewhere
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because
everyone's going to be like,
00:21:21.11\00:21:22.44
'The Messiah is
coming and we're all here'"
00:21:22.48\00:21:23.91
and he's like, "It's
real quiet around here,
00:21:23.95\00:21:26.21
what's... what's going on...?"
00:21:26.25\00:21:27.58
They find nobody... in
fact, what they find is
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they find people who are
irritated by them even asking
00:21:30.12\00:21:32.99
the question about it...
00:21:33.02\00:21:34.36
the religious
leaders are indifferent,
00:21:34.39\00:21:35.82
Herod is so upset
about that because he's like,
00:21:35.86\00:21:37.66
"Here is going to be someone
00:21:37.69\00:21:39.03
that's going to
threaten my kingdom,
00:21:39.06\00:21:40.40
I need to find out who He is and
where He's going to be born. "
00:21:40.43\00:21:41.76
Yvonne: Right...
00:21:41.80\00:21:43.13
James: So he pretends...
his political face is on
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but behind the
scenes he's steaming...
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and he sends them on
their way to Bethlehem
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and he tells them,
00:21:49.20\00:21:50.71
"As soon as you find
the child, let me know... "
00:21:50.77\00:21:52.14
and then he doesn't
hear from them, why?
00:21:52.17\00:21:53.94
The angel warns...
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and so, finally he
realizes, "I've been duped... "
00:21:55.34\00:21:57.58
and he sends soldiers
in there to kill Christ...
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he kills all the children
under three years' of age.
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because he's
trying to kill Christ,
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that's how the dragon does it,
00:22:03.45\00:22:04.79
so that's our second
indication right here,
00:22:04.82\00:22:06.65
first is Genesis 3, "the
promised Messiah is coming
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you're going to have... the
woman's going to give birth"
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and then we have Satan
trying to destroy the child
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as soon as it was
born and then what happens?
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Look at here... at verse 5...
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"And she brought
forth... " go ahead...
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Ivor: Just a minute... because
I'm thinking back to Moses,
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and exactly what happened
to Jesus at the age of 2
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is what they
tried to do with Moses,
00:22:26.81\00:22:28.51
yeah, you see here this
parallel of the dragon...
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has been doing this,
00:22:32.05\00:22:33.38
just uncertain...
unsure... okay, well,
00:22:33.42\00:22:35.88
"Could Moses be the
one? We don't know... go... "
00:22:35.92\00:22:38.62
James: And he was
a mighty deliverer...
00:22:38.65\00:22:40.46
Ivor: Absolutely, he
was a deliverer, right?
00:22:40.49\00:22:42.26
But you see this pattern
00:22:42.29\00:22:43.63
both in the Old
Testament and the New Testament,
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it... the Bible is... these
verses are literally showing
00:22:45.93\00:22:49.86
the warfare between the woman
and the dragon and the seed.
00:22:49.90\00:22:53.64
James: What about
Job? Ivor: What about Job?
00:22:53.67\00:22:55.44
James: Perfect
man... he's the one...
00:22:55.47\00:22:57.21
he's the... God says,
00:22:57.24\00:22:58.57
"Hey, you can't have the
earth yet... look at Job"
00:22:58.61\00:22:59.94
So Satan's like, "I
got to take his kids out"
00:22:59.97\00:23:01.74
he takes them all out.
00:23:01.81\00:23:03.14
Ivor: Yeah,
yeah... it's amazing...
00:23:03.18\00:23:05.25
the principle
reveals that this conflict
00:23:05.28\00:23:08.42
has been going on but it
culminates when Christ is born.
00:23:08.45\00:23:12.55
James: And here's the deal...
what we need to understand
00:23:12.59\00:23:16.76
as we get into
Revelation chapter 12
00:23:16.79\00:23:18.36
is that the picture we're laying
out here, the Biblical picture
00:23:18.39\00:23:21.33
is what the whole universe
is interested in seeing,
00:23:21.36\00:23:23.13
character is being revealed,
00:23:23.16\00:23:25.90
God's character and Satan's
character is being revealed,
00:23:25.93\00:23:28.47
God is giving... He's
loving... He's forgiving...
00:23:28.50\00:23:30.41
and He gives Himself,
00:23:30.44\00:23:31.77
and Satan is seeking to
kill, destroy and steal,
00:23:31.81\00:23:34.44
to kill, destroy and steal,
and the whole unfallen universe
00:23:34.48\00:23:37.31
is looking down and
seeing this great controversy
00:23:37.35\00:23:39.55
unfold before their faces,
so when it's finally settled...
00:23:39.61\00:23:42.72
when Jesus finally
dies, they're like,
00:23:42.75\00:23:44.39
"Yeah, salvation to our God
and to His throne, yeah... "
00:23:44.42\00:23:47.26
and then they're like,
00:23:47.29\00:23:48.79
"but woe to the
inhabitants of the earth...
00:23:48.82\00:23:51.26
that's going to be tough,
00:23:51.29\00:23:52.86
they've got to deal with
this for a little while longer
00:23:52.89\00:23:55.33
until they figure this out,
I'm so glad we figured it out
00:23:55.36\00:23:58.33
but they've still
got to figure it out. "
00:23:58.37\00:24:01.04
Yvonne: Yes.
00:24:01.10\00:24:02.44
James: Okay, in verse 5...
00:24:02.47\00:24:03.84
"And she brought
forth a man child... "
00:24:03.87\00:24:05.31
okay, so there we
have the birth of Christ...
00:24:05.34\00:24:07.21
"who was to rule all
nations with a rod of iron... "
00:24:07.24\00:24:09.74
that's how we know...
00:24:09.81\00:24:11.15
only Christ is the one
that's going to rule all nations
00:24:11.18\00:24:13.21
okay, and it says,
00:24:13.25\00:24:15.78
"He's caught up to
God and to His throne"
00:24:15.82\00:24:17.82
so there we have the
resurrection of Jesus,
00:24:17.85\00:24:19.69
there we have Christ going into
the heavenly Sanctuary again
00:24:19.72\00:24:23.56
there we have His confirmation
again of our prophetic cycle
00:24:23.59\00:24:27.40
you see that? Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:24:27.43\00:24:28.76
James: What in the world...?
We've come all the way through,
00:24:28.80\00:24:30.97
through three
prophetic cycles...
00:24:31.00\00:24:32.33
all the way to the
new heaven and new earth
00:24:32.37\00:24:33.84
and now we're going
all the way back again
00:24:33.87\00:24:35.27
to the birth of Christ,
so, this confirms again,
00:24:35.30\00:24:37.67
"Oh, there's another prophetic
cycle" and by the way...
00:24:37.71\00:24:39.64
never happens again in
the book of Revelation...
00:24:39.67\00:24:42.18
that's why this is the final one
00:24:42.24\00:24:43.85
there is never a time
again in the book of Revelation
00:24:43.88\00:24:46.58
where in the storyline...
00:24:46.61\00:24:47.95
we go back all the way
back the Apostolic Age,
00:24:47.98\00:24:49.92
from now on... it's
all going forward...
00:24:49.95\00:24:51.89
we rehearse
history in Revelation 13,
00:24:51.92\00:24:55.19
for example, and right here...
00:24:55.22\00:24:56.56
but then Revelation 13 takes
us right into the eschatological
00:24:56.59\00:24:59.76
final crisis... 14
reveals a little bit
00:24:59.79\00:25:02.36
and boom! three
angels' messages...
00:25:02.40\00:25:04.93
judgment... 15... judgment...
00:25:04.97\00:25:06.30
16...
judgment... 17... judgment...
00:25:06.33\00:25:07.70
18...
judgment... 19... judgment...
00:25:07.74\00:25:09.77
20... judgment...
and the reason why
00:25:09.80\00:25:11.74
God has to give us
Revelation 12, 13 and 14
00:25:11.77\00:25:15.18
is because...
judgment is coming...
00:25:15.21\00:25:16.54
and He's got a...
He's all out right now...
00:25:16.58\00:25:19.08
He's reviewing everything,
00:25:19.11\00:25:20.45
He's finally... in Revelation
12 He's finally speaking up
00:25:20.48\00:25:23.85
He's finally giving a testimony
and then in Revelation 14,
00:25:23.89\00:25:27.22
He's giving the
message that's so powerful
00:25:27.26\00:25:28.82
it lightens the
earth with His glory
00:25:28.86\00:25:30.43
because He's got
to close this up.
00:25:30.49\00:25:31.99
Ivor: Imagine Revelation
12 as... God is our teacher,
00:25:32.03\00:25:36.10
He's been taking us through
00:25:36.13\00:25:38.50
chapter 1, chapter 2, chapter...
"Are you getting this sure...?"
00:25:38.53\00:25:40.97
4, 5... at 12 He
says, "Okay, now...
00:25:41.00\00:25:44.77
before we get into the
meat, meat, meat, meat, meat...
00:25:44.81\00:25:49.38
I want to review with
you and make sure you got...
00:25:49.41\00:25:53.45
make sure you understand
the history we've just covered
00:25:53.48\00:25:55.88
okay, in all these 11
verses so, Revelation 12...
00:25:55.92\00:25:58.79
is Revelation 11...
1 through 11 juiced...
00:25:58.82\00:26:02.26
Revelation 12 is
Revelation 1 through 11 recycled
00:26:02.32\00:26:08.43
or just condensed
down into one chapter.
00:26:08.46\00:26:13.03
Everything we're reading
here, we're going to be like,
00:26:13.07\00:26:15.60
"Okay, yeah...
okay, yeah, because
00:26:15.64\00:26:17.61
I remember that... I
remember... hmmm... hmmm...
00:26:17.64\00:26:18.97
yes, yes, yes, got
it, got it, got it,
00:26:19.01\00:26:20.68
okay, you got it... all right...
00:26:20.71\00:26:22.61
now, we move into Revelation 13,
00:26:22.64\00:26:24.35
this is where I'm
going to reveal to you
00:26:24.38\00:26:26.82
so that you know
without a shadow of a doubt
00:26:26.85\00:26:29.58
your interpretation
of 13, 14, 15, 16...
00:26:29.62\00:26:32.35
all the way onward is correct
00:26:32.39\00:26:34.36
because you got the
first half of the book right
00:26:34.39\00:26:37.36
and 12 is me just
making sure you got it right...
00:26:37.39\00:26:40.33
before we move on. "
00:26:40.36\00:26:41.76
Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:26:41.83\00:26:43.16
James: Yeah, and what you
see here really is... is that
00:26:43.20\00:26:44.67
Revelation chapter
12 is this transition
00:26:44.70\00:26:47.44
where we move... in the
first half of the book...
00:26:47.50\00:26:49.37
the first three
prophetic cycles,
00:26:49.40\00:26:50.84
have been primarily...
past history to us...
00:26:50.87\00:26:53.94
living in the end of time
00:26:53.98\00:26:55.31
most of those prophetic cycles
have dealt with pre-1844...
00:26:55.34\00:26:59.08
even in the 6th trumpet...
you remember that 2nd woe?
00:26:59.11\00:27:02.75
It was the voice coming from
00:27:02.78\00:27:04.65
the four horns
of the golden altar
00:27:04.69\00:27:07.06
but Revelation
chapter 12 and onward...
00:27:07.09\00:27:08.46
is flipping it the other way,
00:27:08.49\00:27:10.06
Revelation 12 and
onward is primarily going to be
00:27:10.09\00:27:12.69
end-time prophecy...
00:27:12.73\00:27:14.10
post-1844... and, of course,
we see that in the transition
00:27:14.13\00:27:16.93
in verse 19, we're
in the Most Holy Place,
00:27:16.97\00:27:19.00
so we review the history...
00:27:19.03\00:27:20.54
but most of the stuff
that's taking place here,
00:27:20.57\00:27:22.74
is just before us...
00:27:22.80\00:27:24.47
Ivor: Right.
Yvonne: All right...
00:27:24.51\00:27:25.84
James: All right,
what about questions,
00:27:25.87\00:27:27.54
what about questions
as we end this session?
00:27:27.58\00:27:28.91
Jason: Oh, that should be
submitted to: sss@3abn. org
00:27:28.94\00:27:31.78
so you guys can answer them.
00:27:31.81\00:27:33.15
James: Yes, and I know you're
going to help us with that
00:27:33.18\00:27:35.25
because I know you
answered one just recently...
00:27:35.28\00:27:36.95
you answered a question... I
don't know if you remember that,
00:27:36.99\00:27:39.05
Jason: You will have
to refresh my memory.
00:27:39.12\00:27:41.62
James: Well, it was more
like a technical question,
00:27:41.66\00:27:44.99
like... but we're going
to move you in that direction
00:27:45.03\00:27:48.30
that's a heads up and
a warning. Jason: Yes...
00:27:48.33\00:27:50.23
James: All right, so
we're going to close this up,
00:27:50.27\00:27:52.10
we've run out of
time for this session
00:27:52.13\00:27:53.47
but we'll pick it up
right here in Revelation 12,
00:27:53.50\00:27:54.87
we might spend three or
four meetings on Revelation 12
00:27:54.90\00:27:56.60
because there's a lot
here in one session...
00:27:56.64\00:27:57.97
there's a lot of info.
00:27:58.01\00:27:59.34
Yvonne: Yeah, good... good.
00:27:59.37\00:28:00.71