Okay, we have just about finished Revelation 11, 00:00:29.86\00:00:33.19 not really, you got at least one more program to get through. 00:00:33.23\00:00:36.80 Revelation 11 is a little complicated 00:00:36.87\00:00:39.40 in a way because we've already gone through this 00:00:39.43\00:00:43.61 Revelation 10 Millerite Movement and that Great Disappointment 00:00:43.64\00:00:46.64 and it seems like we're out of the Dark Ages already 00:00:46.68\00:00:49.51 and now we're going back 00:00:49.54\00:00:50.88 into the Dark Ages that's what we're doing 00:00:50.91\00:00:52.25 but the reason for that is because Revelation chapter 10 00:00:52.28\00:00:55.78 is kind of what I call an interlude, 00:00:55.82\00:00:58.05 it's kind of a pause in the flow, 00:00:58.09\00:01:00.26 see, we've been going through the seven trumpets 00:01:00.29\00:01:02.52 and in Revelation chapter 9, we finished the 6th trumpet 00:01:02.56\00:01:06.90 which is called "the second woe" 00:01:06.93\00:01:08.26 so, Revelation 9 has the first woe and the second woe 00:01:08.30\00:01:10.57 which is the fifth and sixth trumpets 00:01:10.60\00:01:12.17 but where's the seventh trumpet? 00:01:12.20\00:01:13.87 Well, the seventh trumpet doesn't sound 00:01:13.90\00:01:15.84 till we get to the end of Revelation chapter 11 00:01:15.87\00:01:18.44 and that is when it mentions, "Oh, by the way, 00:01:18.47\00:01:20.98 the second woe is passed and the third woe is coming quickly" 00:01:21.01\00:01:23.04 and that phrase... that terminology... 00:01:23.08\00:01:25.51 indicates that we've kind of been in an interlude, 00:01:25.55\00:01:28.58 there's kind of been this little bit of a pause... 00:01:28.62\00:01:31.59 "Let's look at some stuff that's taking place in the world 00:01:31.62\00:01:33.82 developments that are taking place... 00:01:33.86\00:01:35.19 oh, now let's get back on track again" 00:01:35.22\00:01:36.69 so I think, Revelation chapter 10 is this interlude, 00:01:36.73\00:01:39.53 and out of that interlude comes 00:01:39.56\00:01:41.73 this reflection back into the Dark Ages 00:01:41.76\00:01:45.47 and some of the things that were taking place that... 00:01:45.50\00:01:47.77 that... that... that brought the development 00:01:47.80\00:01:50.04 of the Millerite Movement and the emphasis on 00:01:50.11\00:01:52.07 "measuring the temple... measuring the altar... 00:01:52.11\00:01:54.18 and those that worship therein" and what we've seen 00:01:54.21\00:01:56.51 that brought those developments and that message is... 00:01:56.54\00:01:58.41 is the darkness... a darkness that excluded 00:01:58.45\00:02:01.25 the Word of God... the witness for God... 00:02:01.28\00:02:04.02 a darkness that brought persecution against the Bible, 00:02:04.05\00:02:07.72 we're going to see that more and more... and that darkness 00:02:07.76\00:02:09.96 out of which the Millerite Movement came, 00:02:09.99\00:02:11.76 was to proclaim a fuller, 00:02:11.79\00:02:13.70 clearer picture of the character of God, 00:02:13.73\00:02:15.80 what He's really like, because He's been obscured, 00:02:15.86\00:02:17.87 His witness has been obscured, the Bible has been obscured. 00:02:17.90\00:02:19.87 So, that's what we've got so far. 00:02:19.90\00:02:21.24 Ivor: I think that it would be good to really show the flow 00:02:21.27\00:02:27.08 of the book of Revelation and I'm actually, 00:02:27.11\00:02:29.91 just seeing this but it's like... 00:02:29.94\00:02:32.48 if you look at the seven churches, 00:02:32.51\00:02:34.45 the seven seals, the seven trumpets, 00:02:34.48\00:02:36.35 you find these major events are juiced down into like... 00:02:36.38\00:02:45.56 two to three verses... James: Yes. 00:02:45.59\00:02:47.00 Ivor: So, it's like God has given us these little pieces 00:02:47.03\00:02:50.50 showing us, "Okay, this is what's been going on" 00:02:50.53\00:02:52.53 from the time of His ascension to heaven 00:02:52.57\00:02:55.34 little pieces here, "I just want to keep you on track, 00:02:55.37\00:02:57.67 follow the trail, follow the trail... 00:02:57.71\00:02:59.04 because, I really want to take you 00:02:59.07\00:03:01.14 to the major events that began to occur around 1798 and 1844." 00:03:01.18\00:03:06.95 So, when we get to Revelation chapter 10, 00:03:06.98\00:03:10.19 we now have this whole chapter, right, 00:03:10.22\00:03:12.72 in Revelation 11, this whole chapter, 00:03:12.75\00:03:15.22 Revelation 12 and 13... 00:03:15.29\00:03:17.16 there are like these major chapters 00:03:17.19\00:03:19.09 where the whole chapter is talking about a single event, 00:03:19.13\00:03:22.90 as it were, so, it's almost as though 00:03:22.93\00:03:28.17 God is giving us little steps that lead us to that crescendo 00:03:28.20\00:03:33.01 of, "All right, this is the main emphasis... 00:03:33.04\00:03:35.44 and I want you to know that 00:03:35.48\00:03:36.81 this is the time period we're talking about... 00:03:36.85\00:03:39.68 this is the main time period of 1798... 1844 00:03:39.71\00:03:42.55 and what occurs beyond 00:03:42.58\00:03:43.92 but to make sure you got that right, 00:03:43.95\00:03:45.32 I'm going to give you these little steps that take you 00:03:45.35\00:03:49.19 and crescendo in this Revelation 10 and 11" 00:03:49.22\00:03:52.36 and once we get to Revelation, when we've got to Revelation 10, 00:03:52.39\00:03:55.03 we'll see, 10, 11, 12, 13 and 14 00:03:55.06\00:04:01.50 all just... it's almost like you can separate those there... 00:04:01.54\00:04:05.44 they are the... they are the meat... 00:04:05.47\00:04:09.64 James: They're the center of the sandwich. 00:04:09.68\00:04:11.15 Ivor: They're the center of the sandwich, like, 00:04:11.18\00:04:13.18 "This is what God needs us to understand" 00:04:13.21\00:04:15.02 so 1 through 9 are the clues that get us to... 00:04:15.08\00:04:19.32 "Yeah, in Revelation 10, 00:04:19.35\00:04:20.69 we know we're talking about this time period" 00:04:20.72\00:04:22.82 and once we get to that time period, 00:04:22.89\00:04:24.26 11 and 12... 13, 14... we can have a clear understanding 00:04:24.29\00:04:28.50 of the meat of what God is trying to show us 00:04:28.56\00:04:31.70 especially at the end of time. 00:04:31.73\00:04:33.40 James: All right, let's pray together 00:04:33.44\00:04:34.77 and get into this right now. Ivor: Yes. 00:04:34.80\00:04:36.30 James: Jason, you want to pray for us? 00:04:36.34\00:04:37.84 Jason: Sure, "Dear Heavenly Father, 00:04:37.87\00:04:39.37 you have some powerful messages 00:04:39.41\00:04:41.14 that you want to share with us today, 00:04:41.18\00:04:42.88 we ask for your Holy Spirit to lead, guide and direct us, 00:04:42.91\00:04:46.88 into all truth, In Jesus' name we pray, amen. " 00:04:46.92\00:04:48.55 All: "Amen. " 00:04:48.58\00:04:49.92 James: We call it... in a Theological terminology, 00:04:49.95\00:04:52.12 we call it, "eschatological... " 00:04:52.15\00:04:54.26 Yvonne: What? 00:04:54.29\00:04:56.32 Jason: You mentioned that the other day. 00:04:56.36\00:04:57.83 James: Eschatological means end-time prophecy 00:04:57.86\00:04:59.19 what Ivor's saying, 00:04:59.23\00:05:00.80 God wants to take us to the end-time prophecies 00:05:00.83\00:05:03.40 where He really explodes out the details 00:05:03.47\00:05:05.77 of what we're going to be facing, 00:05:05.80\00:05:07.40 and so, when you start Revelation... 00:05:07.44\00:05:08.97 the first churches, seals, trumpets, 00:05:09.00\00:05:11.24 it's kind of history leading up to that... 00:05:11.27\00:05:12.77 history leading up to that... history leading up to that 00:05:12.81\00:05:15.08 and now, all of a sudden, the last part of Revelation 00:05:15.11\00:05:17.31 is all eschatological in emphasis and focus, 00:05:17.35\00:05:19.28 there's little bit of history there, 00:05:19.31\00:05:20.65 but boom! it's giving us all the details. 00:05:20.68\00:05:22.58 So, I really... that's good... 00:05:22.62\00:05:23.99 a really good way to try to explain what we're doing here, 00:05:24.02\00:05:26.59 how the journey is taking place, 00:05:26.65\00:05:28.06 okay, so, let's pick up where we left off in verse 5 00:05:28.12\00:05:31.69 Yvonne, can you read that for us, verse 5? 00:05:31.73\00:05:34.23 Yvonne: Sure. 00:05:34.26\00:05:35.60 James: Because we've identified the two olive trees 00:05:35.63\00:05:38.93 and the two candlesticks, the Word of God, 00:05:38.97\00:05:41.10 the testimony for God's Word and so now we're going to go into 00:05:41.17\00:05:44.07 more details and characteristics so we can really nail it down. 00:05:44.11\00:05:47.01 Yvonne: "And if any man will hurt them, 00:05:47.04\00:05:49.31 fire proceedeth out of their mouth, 00:05:49.34\00:05:51.51 and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, 00:05:51.55\00:05:54.62 he must in this manner be killed. " 00:05:54.65\00:05:57.02 James: Okay, so, Ivor, you're going to take this for us, okay, 00:05:57.05\00:05:59.49 but I want to say this, just because we've identified 00:05:59.52\00:06:04.16 that the Bible... Old and New Testament 00:06:04.19\00:06:06.46 as the witnesses, now, we want to make sure 00:06:06.49\00:06:08.56 and confirm that identification, 00:06:08.60\00:06:11.93 we're going to make sure it hits all the characteristics, 00:06:12.00\00:06:14.00 so how does it meet the characteristics of verse 5? 00:06:14.04\00:06:16.44 it's met... so far, it's met the ones previously, 00:06:16.47\00:06:18.84 how does it meet these characteristics? 00:06:18.87\00:06:20.21 Ivor: Right, so let's go over to Revelation chapter 22 00:06:20.24\00:06:25.08 and what we have... we'll look at verses 18 and 19. 00:06:25.11\00:06:28.72 James: Okay. 00:06:28.75\00:06:30.89 Ivor: And before we read that, let's see, here we go... 00:06:30.92\00:06:35.56 what we see happening in verse 5 is that there's this... 00:06:35.59\00:06:39.66 sort of like... look... you do this to my witnesses, 00:06:39.69\00:06:43.70 the same thing will happen to you, 00:06:43.73\00:06:45.27 okay, that's the gist of what's being said here, 00:06:45.33\00:06:48.34 "you hurt them... in that manner you will be hurt" 00:06:48.37\00:06:51.37 so, Revelation 22 verse 18 and 19... 00:06:51.41\00:06:54.54 Jason you want to read that for us? 00:06:54.58\00:06:57.61 Jason: Sure, "For I testify unto every man 00:06:57.65\00:06:59.81 that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, 00:06:59.85\00:07:02.02 If any man shall add unto these things, 00:07:02.05\00:07:04.29 God shall add unto him the plagues 00:07:04.32\00:07:06.09 that are written in this book. 00:07:06.15\00:07:07.49 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book 00:07:07.52\00:07:10.29 of this prophecy, God shall take away his part 00:07:10.33\00:07:12.99 out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, 00:07:13.03\00:07:15.53 and from the things, which are written in this book. " 00:07:15.56\00:07:17.60 James: Hmmm... 00:07:17.63\00:07:18.97 Ivor: So, here you see the same principle 00:07:19.00\00:07:20.94 regarding the Word of God. James: Yes. 00:07:20.97\00:07:23.34 Ivor: "You hurt the Word of God, you're going to get hurt. 00:07:23.41\00:07:25.61 You take away from the Word, 00:07:25.64\00:07:27.24 your name is going to be taken out of the book of Life, 00:07:27.28\00:07:28.94 you add to... you're going to... 00:07:28.98\00:07:30.38 the plagues are going to be added to you. " 00:07:30.41\00:07:33.85 So, we find it fits another description 00:07:33.88\00:07:36.62 of the characteristics we're looking for 00:07:36.65\00:07:39.39 with these two witnesses, 00:07:39.42\00:07:41.12 we're talking about the Word of God, 00:07:41.16\00:07:43.26 the Old and New Testament, so, we can go back 00:07:43.32\00:07:46.49 to our chapter... do you want to add anything to that? 00:07:46.53\00:07:48.63 James: No, that's perfect, that fits perfectly 00:07:48.66\00:07:50.77 that's another characteristic that is fulfilled. 00:07:50.80\00:07:52.33 Ivor: Right... James: Good. 00:07:52.37\00:07:53.70 Ivor: So, now we go to verse 6 of Revelation 11. 00:07:53.74\00:07:56.44 James: Yvonne, can you read that for us? 00:07:56.47\00:07:58.11 Yvonne: Sure, 00:07:58.14\00:07:59.47 "These have power to shut heaven, 00:07:59.51\00:08:01.94 that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: 00:08:01.98\00:08:04.81 and have power over waters to turn them to blood, 00:08:04.85\00:08:07.65 and to smite the earth with all plagues, 00:08:07.68\00:08:09.78 as often as they will. " Continue? 00:08:09.82\00:08:12.39 Ivor: Okay, we can go ahead and... 00:08:12.42\00:08:14.92 we've actually talked about this in our previous program. 00:08:14.96\00:08:17.33 Ivor: These two things were performed by Elijah... 00:08:17.36\00:08:21.40 Elijah spoke by the Word of the Lord 00:08:21.43\00:08:24.90 and the Word of the Lord said, 00:08:24.93\00:08:27.27 "it will not rain for these three and a half years" 00:08:27.30\00:08:29.30 and by the same word of the Lord the book of Exodus chapter 4, 00:08:29.34\00:08:33.27 you have Moses bringing plagues upon Egypt 00:08:33.34\00:08:36.71 and so, again, it's showing us that 00:08:36.75\00:08:40.22 these two witnesses, the Old and New Testament, 00:08:40.25\00:08:43.99 the Word of God... 00:08:44.02\00:08:45.35 is the source through which the prophets spoke 00:08:45.39\00:08:48.22 and brought these plagues or these calamities upon the earth 00:08:48.29\00:08:52.43 and so, again, we see that it fits... 00:08:52.49\00:08:56.90 it's fitting the characteristics 00:08:56.93\00:08:59.50 that are laid out for us in Revelation chapter 11, 00:08:59.53\00:09:01.44 these two witnesses are the Word of God... 00:09:01.47\00:09:03.57 the Old and New Testaments, anything you want to add, James? 00:09:03.61\00:09:05.74 James: No, now there's more description for them, 00:09:05.77\00:09:07.41 Yvonne, can you read for us verses 7 and 8? 00:09:07.48\00:09:12.48 "And when they shall have finished their testimony, 00:09:12.51\00:09:15.18 the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit 00:09:15.22\00:09:17.85 shall make war against them, 00:09:17.89\00:09:19.39 and shall overcome them and kill them. 00:09:19.42\00:09:21.56 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, 00:09:21.59\00:09:24.69 which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, 00:09:24.73\00:09:28.53 where also our Lord was crucified. " 00:09:28.56\00:09:30.87 Ivor: Okay, so this... we're looking for a beast now 00:09:30.90\00:09:35.17 okay, now, let's see if we can remember this in the Bible 00:09:35.20\00:09:40.18 and actually we haven't even covered this yet, 00:09:40.21\00:09:44.01 so, in the Bible, a beast is symbolic of a nation 00:09:44.05\00:09:47.82 okay, we can go to the book of Daniel... 00:09:47.85\00:09:50.09 James: Like the kingdoms, nation, kings... 00:09:50.12\00:09:52.29 Daniel 7 verses 17 and 23, so let's read those two verses 00:09:52.32\00:09:56.19 just so our Viewers have those verses 00:09:56.22\00:09:59.13 under their belt, Daniel chapter 7 00:09:59.16\00:10:01.96 and I believe it's 17 and 23 which identify 00:10:02.03\00:10:07.07 beast as kings and kingdoms. 00:10:07.10\00:10:10.44 Jason: Verse 17 and 23... "These great beasts, 00:10:10.47\00:10:14.01 which are four, are four kings, 00:10:14.04\00:10:16.28 which shall arise out of the earth. " 00:10:16.31\00:10:18.08 Verse 23 says... 00:10:18.11\00:10:20.22 "Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be 00:10:20.25\00:10:22.52 the fourth kingdom upon the earth, 00:10:22.55\00:10:23.89 which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, 00:10:23.92\00:10:26.72 and shall devour the whole earth, 00:10:26.76\00:10:28.52 and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. " 00:10:28.56\00:10:31.16 James: All right, kings and kingdoms, 00:10:31.19\00:10:32.69 kings and kingdoms... on the earth... 00:10:32.73\00:10:34.16 earthly kings and kingdoms 00:10:34.20\00:10:35.53 so the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit, 00:10:35.56\00:10:38.00 we already identified the bottomless pit 00:10:38.03\00:10:39.87 when we studied chapter 9, 00:10:39.93\00:10:41.50 the bottomless pit is this earth in the state of darkness, 00:10:41.54\00:10:45.04 in the state of chaos, the Dark Ages, 00:10:45.07\00:10:48.18 what kingdom... what earthly power 00:10:48.21\00:10:51.21 came out of the Dark Ages, what kingdom was produced 00:10:51.25\00:10:55.28 by the chaos and the darkness 00:10:55.32\00:10:56.99 and the obscuring of God's character in the Dark Ages? 00:10:57.05\00:10:59.69 There was a power or kingdom 00:10:59.72\00:11:02.09 that is spiritually called "Sodom and Egypt" 00:11:02.12\00:11:05.23 Sodom and Egypt... now, it's interesting... 00:11:05.29\00:11:08.36 Egypt... in the Bible... 00:11:08.40\00:11:10.67 represents a nation that denied the existence of God. 00:11:10.70\00:11:14.07 We can read that in Exodus chapter 5 and verse2. 00:11:14.10\00:11:17.24 Exodus 5 and verse 2... when Moses was sent eventually 00:11:17.27\00:11:21.78 to Pharaoh... Moses was to tell Pharaoh, 00:11:21.81\00:11:25.21 "Let my people go... " but he said it this way, 00:11:25.25\00:11:27.55 a confirmation of what we've been talking about, 00:11:27.58\00:11:29.75 "Thus says the Lord... 00:11:29.78\00:11:31.22 thus says Jehovah... let my people go" 00:11:31.25\00:11:33.96 and you know what Pharaoh's response was? 00:11:33.99\00:11:36.62 "Who is Jehovah that I should let His people go? 00:11:36.69\00:11:40.10 I don't know Jehovah, neither will I let His people go. " 00:11:40.13\00:11:42.36 Exodus 5 verse 2, 00:11:42.40\00:11:43.73 okay, so there's an earthly king 00:11:43.77\00:11:46.57 that denies the existence of God, 00:11:46.63\00:11:49.24 "I don't know Jehovah, who is this Jehovah, there's no... " 00:11:49.27\00:11:51.17 so, when we see the spiritual Egypt here, 00:11:51.21\00:11:54.84 it says, "Spiritual Egypt" 00:11:54.88\00:11:56.44 it's going to be a power that denies the existence of God, 00:11:56.51\00:11:59.41 and what we call that today is Atheism... 00:11:59.45\00:12:01.95 an Atheistic power... 00:12:01.98\00:12:03.82 a power that denies the existence of God 00:12:03.89\00:12:05.62 so, did an Atheistic power arise out of the Dark Ages 00:12:05.65\00:12:10.06 and make war upon the Bible, upon the two witnesses. 00:12:10.09\00:12:14.70 Ivor: We should add to that, 00:12:14.73\00:12:16.16 again, we're putting our clues together 00:12:16.20\00:12:17.87 and all we need to do is go to history and say, 00:12:17.90\00:12:20.14 "Okay, so, we know what we're looking for, 00:12:20.17\00:12:22.30 is it in history?" 00:12:22.34\00:12:23.91 But, something interesting in Revelation 11 and verse... 00:12:23.94\00:12:26.98 latter part of verse 7, it says, 00:12:27.01\00:12:28.98 "this beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit 00:12:29.01\00:12:31.48 shall make war against them, 00:12:31.51\00:12:32.85 and shall overcome them and kill them. " 00:12:32.88\00:12:34.88 Okay, "kill them... " in other words... 00:12:34.92\00:12:38.09 this is getting rid of the two witnesses 00:12:38.12\00:12:41.26 when you get rid of the Bible, 00:12:41.32\00:12:43.09 like, "Hey, I don't believe in the Bible 00:12:43.12\00:12:44.46 it doesn't exist... it's not... " 00:12:44.49\00:12:45.83 that is, again, summarizing the simple term, Atheist, 00:12:45.86\00:12:50.27 we're looking for a kingdom that would arise 00:12:50.30\00:12:53.30 sometime around the close of the 1700s... 00:12:53.34\00:12:56.34 sometime around 1798... 00:12:56.40\00:12:58.14 we shouldn't say, "A kingdom that arises... " 00:12:58.17\00:13:01.18 what we should say is, "a kingdom in which 00:13:01.21\00:13:05.35 this Atheistic spirit would dominate... 00:13:05.41\00:13:09.52 would present itself" 00:13:09.55\00:13:10.89 now here's what's interesting about this is that 00:13:10.92\00:13:12.29 Atheism has always existed, okay, but, 00:13:12.32\00:13:16.16 never... yeah... Pharaoh... and... 00:13:16.22\00:13:20.00 people have... but during the Dark Ages... 00:13:20.03\00:13:22.23 if you said you were an Atheist... it was death... 00:13:22.26\00:13:26.03 so people weren't... as it were, 00:13:26.07\00:13:28.17 coming out of the closet... being an Atheist, 00:13:28.20\00:13:31.07 okay, but, here we have a nation in which 00:13:31.14\00:13:33.94 all of a sudden, it becomes... the people are like, 00:13:33.98\00:13:36.58 they're coming out of the closet, if you will, 00:13:36.61\00:13:39.35 like, "Yep, we are... we do not believe in God" 00:13:39.38\00:13:42.02 so, we're looking for a nation that fits that characteristic, 00:13:42.05\00:13:44.95 the term "Sodom" represents lawlessness... 00:13:44.99\00:13:48.42 so, you remember, God destroyed Sodom 00:13:48.46\00:13:51.23 because out of it came immorality and licentiousness 00:13:51.26\00:13:53.16 which is what happens when you get rid of the... 00:13:53.19\00:13:55.06 the Word of God, right? 00:13:55.10\00:13:56.50 So, there's only one nation that fits this 00:13:56.53\00:13:58.70 as we look in history we see that it is France, 00:13:58.73\00:14:03.24 and it is a French Revolution which occurred why? 00:14:03.27\00:14:07.71 Because of all the... because of the mystery of iniquity, 00:14:07.74\00:14:13.11 right, that it changed the character of God. 00:14:13.15\00:14:16.38 "Yes, God burns people forever and ever... " 00:14:16.42\00:14:19.59 go down the list... 00:14:19.62\00:14:21.16 the people of France rejected the picture... 00:14:21.19\00:14:24.66 the counterfeit picture of who God is, 00:14:24.69\00:14:27.70 and in doing so they turned their wrath upon, guess what? 00:14:27.73\00:14:32.00 James: The Bible. Yvonne: The Word of God. 00:14:32.03\00:14:33.57 Ivor: The Word of God which is exactly what happened 00:14:33.60\00:14:35.70 during the French Revolution 00:14:35.74\00:14:37.07 because the French Revolution for the first time... 00:14:37.11\00:14:40.58 an entire nation declared that there was no God 00:14:40.61\00:14:44.41 and made it legal. 00:14:44.45\00:14:46.45 So, this, we see is what occurs, in other words, 00:14:46.48\00:14:50.92 it fulfills to a T the prophecy that we're talking about, 00:14:50.95\00:14:55.39 the history fits the prophecy, yeah. 00:14:55.42\00:14:58.79 James: And there was an intensity that took place here, 00:14:58.83\00:15:00.63 it's really interesting, it says 00:15:00.66\00:15:02.16 that they shall kill them and then it says in verse 8, 00:15:02.20\00:15:05.00 "And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, 00:15:05.03\00:15:07.57 which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, 00:15:07.60\00:15:09.34 where also our Lord was crucified. " 00:15:09.37\00:15:11.37 And in verse 9 it says, 00:15:11.41\00:15:13.98 "And they of the people and kindreds and tongues 00:15:14.01\00:15:15.78 and nations shall see their dead bodies 00:15:15.81\00:15:17.55 three days and a half... " 00:15:17.58\00:15:18.91 three days and a half which, if you do that prophetically, 00:15:18.95\00:15:21.75 a day for a year... 00:15:21.78\00:15:23.12 that's going to come out to three and a half years. 00:15:23.15\00:15:24.75 All: Hmmm... 00:15:24.82\00:15:26.22 James: So, the French Revolution... 00:15:26.25\00:15:27.82 the intensity of the French Revolution, 00:15:27.86\00:15:30.23 lasted exactly three and half years 00:15:30.26\00:15:32.69 when the Bible was prescribed, 00:15:32.73\00:15:35.23 when it was burned in the streets... 00:15:35.26\00:15:36.60 when it just lay there... all the nations were looking on, 00:15:36.63\00:15:38.57 "Whoa, France has gotten rid of the Bible... 00:15:38.60\00:15:40.47 they've got this revolution that's taking place 00:15:40.50\00:15:42.87 and they're doing away with all of the morality 00:15:42.90\00:15:45.24 and it's become like Sodom and Gomorrah 00:15:45.27\00:15:47.08 and they're denying the existence of God" 00:15:47.11\00:15:48.71 and that continued for three and half years, 00:15:48.74\00:15:50.31 thousands of people lost their lives, 00:15:50.35\00:15:51.85 people had to flee... the monarchy was destroyed, 00:15:51.91\00:15:54.18 it all went down and eventually then... 00:15:54.22\00:15:56.48 they kind of came out of that... 00:15:56.52\00:15:58.29 and they tried to kind of do a little bit of a... 00:15:58.32\00:16:00.66 of recovery from that... but they still never fully recovered 00:16:00.69\00:16:03.99 I think... I think still... to this day, 00:16:04.03\00:16:05.99 the Country of France is the highest 00:16:06.03\00:16:07.90 in its Atheist population of all the nations of Europe, 00:16:07.96\00:16:11.17 all those western nations anyway, and so... 00:16:11.20\00:16:13.50 and so, it comes out of that just a little bit 00:16:13.54\00:16:15.87 but for three and half years, the Bible's dead. 00:16:15.90\00:16:18.14 Ivor: There was actually a ban that was placed on the Bible... 00:16:18.17\00:16:20.98 that ban lasted... literally... three and a half years... 00:16:21.01\00:16:24.75 it was lifted and... 00:16:24.78\00:16:26.88 I should have brought the research with me but 00:16:26.92\00:16:29.05 there was... a decree that went forth 00:16:29.08\00:16:31.99 three and a half years later 00:16:32.05\00:16:33.86 through the work of some people who were saying, 00:16:33.89\00:16:36.06 "Look, look at what's happening to our streets 00:16:36.09\00:16:38.26 because we have banned religion, 00:16:38.29\00:16:39.89 we at least need to allow them the freedom to have it, 00:16:39.93\00:16:43.57 we don't need to believe it 00:16:43.60\00:16:44.93 but we need to allow them the freedom" 00:16:44.97\00:16:47.34 and it went through their court system 00:16:47.37\00:16:49.90 and just about the three-and-a-half-year mark... 00:16:49.97\00:16:53.44 they decided, "Okay, we're going to allow 00:16:53.48\00:16:55.81 the churches to open again, 00:16:55.84\00:16:57.18 we're going to allow the Bible to be possessed" 00:16:57.21\00:16:59.58 and all those different things so, it's fulfilling the prophecy 00:16:59.61\00:17:02.38 down to a T... which brings us right to the fact that 00:17:02.45\00:17:06.52 it says there, "the two witnesses came to life. " 00:17:06.55\00:17:10.59 Yvonne: Hmmm... James: Yes, verse 11. 00:17:10.63\00:17:12.86 Ivor: Voltaire... 00:17:12.89\00:17:14.23 very interesting... the story of Voltaire, 00:17:14.26\00:17:16.36 who was part of the French Revolution, 00:17:16.40\00:17:18.53 and said that Christianity would die out... 00:17:18.57\00:17:21.17 when the decree was lifted, it is interesting because 00:17:21.20\00:17:27.38 right after that... the Bible began to be 00:17:27.41\00:17:29.21 published and pushed like it had never been before 00:17:29.24\00:17:33.15 because, remember, during the Dark Ages, 00:17:33.18\00:17:35.38 it was sackcloth... 00:17:35.42\00:17:36.75 a little bit here, a little bit there, people... 00:17:36.79\00:17:39.55 James: Heavily persecuted. 00:17:39.59\00:17:40.92 Ivor: Yeah, heavily persecuted. 00:17:40.96\00:17:42.29 James: If you had a Bible, you could die. 00:17:42.32\00:17:43.66 Ivor: Right... so people didn't have the access to the Bible 00:17:43.69\00:17:45.89 that they... until after the French Revolution 00:17:45.96\00:17:48.96 and Voltaire's house became one of the major printing places 00:17:49.00\00:17:52.77 for the Bible, after he died, yeah. 00:17:52.80\00:17:54.77 James: They set up a publishing house there 00:17:54.80\00:17:56.47 and that's what it means in verse 11, it says here, 00:17:56.50\00:17:58.74 "And after three days and an half 00:17:58.77\00:18:01.01 the Spirit of life from God entered into them, 00:18:01.04\00:18:03.28 and they stood upon their feet, 00:18:03.35\00:18:04.78 and great fear fell upon them which saw them. " 00:18:04.81\00:18:07.28 That's in Europe... "great fear" was the fact that 00:18:07.32\00:18:09.85 "You know, you can't just get rid of the... 00:18:09.88\00:18:12.02 look what happens when you get rid of the Bible... " 00:18:12.05\00:18:13.52 whole of Europe was saying, 00:18:13.56\00:18:14.89 "Look what happens when you get rid of the Bible" 00:18:14.92\00:18:16.26 so then what they do is... verse 12, 00:18:16.29\00:18:17.79 "And I heard a great voice from heaven saying, Come up... 00:18:17.83\00:18:21.66 saying unto them, Come up hither. 00:18:21.70\00:18:24.27 And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; 00:18:24.30\00:18:26.00 and their enemies beheld them. " 00:18:26.03\00:18:27.50 And so, basically, what's happening is, 00:18:27.54\00:18:28.94 the Bible is being exalted now, the Bible is being lifted up, 00:18:28.97\00:18:31.61 all of these Bible Societies are developing 00:18:31.64\00:18:34.94 in the late 18th century, early 19th century, 00:18:34.98\00:18:38.21 and the Bible is being printed, even in Voltaire's house, 00:18:38.25\00:18:40.92 the Bible is being printed in many different languages 00:18:40.95\00:18:43.59 to all these different nations and in verse 12, 00:18:43.65\00:18:46.32 oh excuse me, verse 13... 00:18:46.35\00:18:49.46 "And that same hour, there was a great earthquake, 00:18:49.49\00:18:52.89 and the tenth part of the city fell, 00:18:52.93\00:18:54.93 and in the earthquake were slain of men 00:18:54.96\00:18:56.90 seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, 00:18:56.93\00:18:59.30 and gave glory to the God of heaven. " 00:18:59.33\00:19:00.67 Now, that same hour means, 00:19:00.70\00:19:02.27 in the same timeframe that this is going on, 00:19:02.30\00:19:04.84 so basically, this is just a rehash of what's happened, 00:19:04.87\00:19:08.58 in that timeframe... France was shaken like an earthquake, 00:19:08.61\00:19:12.15 spiritually shaken and in that same time, 00:19:12.18\00:19:16.75 one tenth of the city... 00:19:16.79\00:19:18.45 when we're talking about one-tenth here, 00:19:18.49\00:19:20.19 we're talking about the ten horns... 00:19:20.22\00:19:21.89 or ten nations of Europe, 00:19:21.92\00:19:23.26 so we're talking about one-tenth being France... 00:19:23.29\00:19:25.43 France was shaken and 7,000 were slain, 00:19:25.46\00:19:30.57 7,000 is a number that's used in the Old Testament 00:19:30.63\00:19:33.00 to represent God's people, 00:19:33.03\00:19:34.37 remember when Elijah was fleeing, 00:19:34.40\00:19:35.97 and he said, "I'm the only one left, just me" 00:19:36.00\00:19:39.27 God says, "Hey, I've got 7,000... " 00:19:39.31\00:19:40.78 Yvonne: Who have not bowed their heads... 00:19:40.81\00:19:43.31 James: Yes... so the faithful... during this time, 00:19:43.35\00:19:44.68 the faithful and persecuted and slain, 00:19:44.71\00:19:46.05 so, all of this... this verse 13 is just kind of 00:19:46.08\00:19:48.88 rehashing... but the remnant were afraid, 00:19:48.92\00:19:51.32 the people that remained in these other nations, 00:19:51.35\00:19:53.36 they said, "No, we never want this to happen to us" 00:19:53.39\00:19:55.96 and they gave glory to God so this is kind of a rehash here. 00:19:55.99\00:20:00.16 Ivor: So, I want you to notice... cover the things here, 00:20:00.20\00:20:04.33 we talked about this in the last program, 00:20:04.37\00:20:06.60 in verse 12, it says, "They ascended up to heaven 00:20:06.63\00:20:09.77 in a... " what? Yvonne: Cloud... 00:20:09.80\00:20:11.71 "in a cloud... and their enemies beheld them" 00:20:11.74\00:20:14.44 okay, we're talking just around 1798, right, 00:20:14.48\00:20:17.15 very close to the year 1798, 00:20:17.18\00:20:18.95 if we go back to Revelation chapter 10, 00:20:19.01\00:20:21.42 that being... right... 00:20:21.45\00:20:24.72 with his face shining like the sun and clothed in a cloud, 00:20:24.75\00:20:27.19 he's standing upon the sea and earth 00:20:27.22\00:20:28.99 and he tells us that... we know that this is occurring 00:20:29.02\00:20:32.16 at the end, according to Daniel, 00:20:32.19\00:20:33.70 time, times and a half, at the end of the 1,260 years 00:20:33.73\00:20:38.50 in Revelation 11, the book is ascending up into the cloud, 00:20:38.53\00:20:43.71 in Revelation 10, it's almost as if it's the same time 00:20:43.77\00:20:48.31 the angel has his hand... in his hand... this book 00:20:48.34\00:20:52.88 and it's opened and he is giving it, right, 00:20:52.91\00:20:57.02 to his people, 00:20:57.09\00:20:58.42 it's going to be sweet in your mouth 00:20:58.45\00:20:59.79 bitter in your belly, 00:20:59.82\00:21:01.16 well, what is the message that he started preaching? 00:21:01.19\00:21:03.12 He started preaching the message that is found 00:21:03.16\00:21:07.20 in Revelation chapter 14 verses 6 and 7, which say what? 00:21:07.23\00:21:11.43 "Fear God, and give glory to Him... " 00:21:11.47\00:21:14.14 okay, just pause right there 00:21:14.20\00:21:15.54 and let's read verse 13 again, "The remnant... " 00:21:15.57\00:21:19.27 that word... "the remnant... " 00:21:19.31\00:21:21.44 "the remnant... were affrighted" that word really means fear 00:21:21.48\00:21:27.45 they feared and gave glory to the God of heaven. 00:21:27.48\00:21:31.15 The people who were watching what was happening 00:21:31.19\00:21:34.26 in the French Revolution 00:21:34.29\00:21:36.06 and saw the calamities... saw the catastrophe... 00:21:36.12\00:21:38.33 they saw what's happening when you get rid of God, 00:21:38.36\00:21:41.80 those people... and by-the-way... 00:21:41.83\00:21:43.16 William Miller... struggled with his faith, 00:21:43.20\00:21:47.34 he kind of wavered between, "Does the Bible really...?" 00:21:47.37\00:21:50.74 And when he looked back at the passage... 00:21:50.77\00:21:53.78 James: He was a Deist... before he became part of... 00:21:53.81\00:21:57.45 he was a Deist... raised a Christian... 00:21:57.48\00:22:00.02 then he became a Deist... got into bad company, 00:22:00.05\00:22:02.75 kind of went... you know... and... 00:22:02.78\00:22:04.45 Ivor: So, Miller... looking at what happened 00:22:04.49\00:22:08.26 in the French Revolution, and others... 00:22:08.29\00:22:10.26 you know, the Bible says, 00:22:10.29\00:22:11.76 "the remnant that saw what happened were affrighted" 00:22:11.79\00:22:14.20 and it's very interesting that they would use this term 00:22:14.26\00:22:16.63 "they were affrighted... " or feared... 00:22:16.67\00:22:19.43 "and gave glory to the God of heaven" 00:22:19.50\00:22:22.24 this is the exact term that is being used in the preaching of 00:22:22.30\00:22:25.84 the three angels' messages, in other words... 00:22:25.87\00:22:27.68 James: That's amazing, that's a good connection. 00:22:27.71\00:22:29.44 Ivor: Yeah the French Revolution that helped the people to see... 00:22:29.48\00:22:31.51 plus the prophecy being fulfilled 00:22:31.58\00:22:33.08 because remember in connection with this, 00:22:33.11\00:22:34.62 we're going to see that the Papacy received its deadly wound 00:22:34.65\00:22:39.49 all of this led the people to go "We need to give glory to God" 00:22:39.52\00:22:44.33 and this is exactly what the first angel's message is 00:22:44.36\00:22:47.43 that began to be preached as a result of the book 00:22:47.50\00:22:50.53 that had ascended up into the cloud 00:22:50.57\00:22:52.30 and now being opened and given to the people... 00:22:52.33\00:22:54.90 they go forward... preaching this message, 00:22:54.94\00:22:57.67 "Fear God, fear God, give glory to Him... " 00:22:57.71\00:23:00.38 why? because the hour of His judgment is coming, 00:23:00.41\00:23:03.24 how do we know that? Because... 1798... 00:23:03.28\00:23:05.15 right... look at what events happened 00:23:05.21\00:23:08.38 with the fall of the Papacy, 00:23:08.42\00:23:09.85 with the French Revolution that occurred 00:23:09.88\00:23:11.35 two... three years before that... 00:23:11.42\00:23:12.75 look at all these things that are happening, 00:23:12.79\00:23:14.86 they are signs that Jesus is coming again. 00:23:14.89\00:23:16.99 "Fear God and give glory to Him. " 00:23:17.03\00:23:18.46 James: That is a really good connection, Ivor, 00:23:18.49\00:23:21.53 and I really believe that you've got, 00:23:21.56\00:23:23.67 in a sense, two bookends here, 00:23:23.73\00:23:25.57 the bookend that Ivor just mentioned here is 00:23:25.63\00:23:28.97 verse 13... because verse 14 is going to get back on track now, 00:23:29.00\00:23:32.61 "Oh, by-the-way, the second woe passed, 00:23:32.64\00:23:34.14 the third woe comes quickly... " 00:23:34.18\00:23:35.88 so, what God is doing here is... 00:23:35.91\00:23:37.55 as He's going through the history of the trumpets 00:23:37.61\00:23:39.65 and He's given us this interlude of the Millerite Movement, 00:23:39.71\00:23:42.12 it's kind of a pause in there, He's saying now, 00:23:42.18\00:23:44.45 in the context of the French Revolution, 00:23:44.49\00:23:46.79 there is a development in history 00:23:46.82\00:23:50.16 that causes people to see what happens 00:23:50.23\00:23:52.39 when you get rid of the Bible... 00:23:52.43\00:23:54.03 when you get rid of the Bible, 00:23:54.06\00:23:55.60 you see this catastrophe take place on Planet Earth, 00:23:55.63\00:23:59.27 and that causes people to go, "Whoa... " 00:23:59.30\00:24:01.90 because at first... it says in verse 10 here, 00:24:01.94\00:24:04.34 "They that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, 00:24:04.37\00:24:07.14 and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; 00:24:07.18\00:24:09.91 because these two prophets tormented them 00:24:09.94\00:24:12.41 that dwelt on the earth. " Ivor: Tormented. 00:24:12.45\00:24:13.82 James: At first, it's like, "You know the Bible, 00:24:13.85\00:24:15.85 it torments us... it vexes us, it's so difficult, it's so hard 00:24:15.88\00:24:19.62 and so we're so glad these witnesses are gone... " 00:24:19.65\00:24:21.42 but then all of a sudden 00:24:21.46\00:24:22.79 what happens when the witnesses are actually gone? 00:24:22.82\00:24:25.33 "Whoa, this is... this is... this is terrible... 00:24:25.36\00:24:27.53 this is what God has been trying to keep us from" 00:24:27.56\00:24:30.17 so there's this bookend that basically takes us back 00:24:30.23\00:24:32.80 or not... takes us back 00:24:32.83\00:24:34.37 but takes us forward to 00:24:34.40\00:24:35.84 the ultimate proclamation of the gospel, 00:24:35.87\00:24:37.81 at the end... and then there's a bookend at the beginning, 00:24:37.87\00:24:40.48 and the bookend in the beginning was this idea of measuring God, 00:24:40.51\00:24:43.98 measuring the character of God 00:24:44.01\00:24:45.35 which takes us to the everlasting gospel also, 00:24:45.38\00:24:47.22 because the everlasting gospel says, 00:24:47.28\00:24:49.15 "Fear God and give glory to Him 00:24:49.18\00:24:50.79 for the hour of His judgment is come" 00:24:50.82\00:24:52.32 All: Hmmm... 00:24:52.35\00:24:53.69 James: So you've got the hour of His judgment 00:24:53.72\00:24:55.12 connected with the first part of Revelation 11, 00:24:55.16\00:24:56.49 and you've got, "giving glory to Him" 00:24:56.52\00:24:57.96 connected with the last part of Revelation, 00:24:57.99\00:24:59.73 those two bookends, 00:24:59.76\00:25:01.10 they call us to give glory to God and His... 00:25:01.13\00:25:03.80 or in... yeah... or in our boxing up, 00:25:03.83\00:25:07.60 what happens when you reject God and when you persecute God 00:25:07.64\00:25:10.47 and you do away with the Bible and you just let it go? 00:25:10.51\00:25:13.11 Ivor: But remember, the reason that they rejected God 00:25:13.14\00:25:15.74 is because of a misrepresentation 00:25:15.78\00:25:18.18 of the two witnesses, all right... 00:25:18.21\00:25:20.55 they're clothed in sackcloth and it's... 00:25:20.62\00:25:24.85 it's kind of interesting because you know, 00:25:24.89\00:25:29.12 who clothed them in sackcloth? 00:25:29.16\00:25:30.49 You know what I mean? I mean, sackcloth... 00:25:30.53\00:25:33.16 it just looks like, oh... it looks depressing, 00:25:33.19\00:25:35.90 who made the Bible look like that? 00:25:35.93\00:25:38.47 You know, it was almost like papacy itself was like, 00:25:38.50\00:25:41.87 "Yeah... " and it caused this book to be viewed in a way 00:25:41.90\00:25:45.01 that was depressing. 00:25:45.04\00:25:46.37 James: It was vexing... tormenting... 00:25:46.41\00:25:48.04 you've been tormented. 00:25:48.08\00:25:49.78 Ivor: "Man! this... ah this... ah... " 00:25:49.81\00:25:51.21 James: "We're so glad we're free from that... " 00:25:51.25\00:25:52.58 Yvonne: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:25:52.61\00:25:53.95 Ivor: This book is depressing, why? 00:25:53.98\00:25:56.08 Because the church made it appear so. 00:25:56.12\00:25:58.42 They made it look like, "Yeah, man, what? 00:25:58.45\00:26:00.69 Do you know that if you don't keep the first day of the week, 00:26:00.72\00:26:05.63 you know what God's going to do? 00:26:05.66\00:26:07.50 God is going to do this, right? 00:26:07.53\00:26:09.30 And if you don't do this, yeah, if you don't do this, 00:26:09.33\00:26:11.77 God is going to... " and it made the people... 00:26:11.80\00:26:13.97 it was presented in such a way 00:26:14.04\00:26:15.54 that made the character of God just like... 00:26:15.60\00:26:17.61 "all right, if this is who God is, 00:26:17.64\00:26:20.04 I don't want anything to do with Him. " 00:26:20.08\00:26:21.94 James: Okay, you're talking to us right now, 00:26:21.98\00:26:23.31 you're talking to us right now. 00:26:23.35\00:26:24.68 The witness has to be right, 00:26:24.71\00:26:26.05 the bottom line of the message in Revelation 11 so far 00:26:26.08\00:26:29.75 is the witness has to be right, in the beginning and at the end 00:26:29.78\00:26:32.15 God doesn't want people to toss the Bible out... 00:26:32.19\00:26:34.62 He doesn't want them to go through what's going to happen 00:26:34.66\00:26:36.49 when you reject the Word of God... 00:26:36.52\00:26:38.49 the two witnesses... at the same time 00:26:38.56\00:26:40.03 we've got to be able to show people what God is really like. 00:26:40.06\00:26:43.10 We've got to be able to see, they've got to be able to see 00:26:43.13\00:26:46.13 the altar... the sacrifice of Jesus, 00:26:46.17\00:26:48.04 and we've got to be a witness... a light to that 00:26:48.07\00:26:50.34 so people... when they stand back and they... 00:26:50.37\00:26:52.57 they have this awesome fear of God, 00:26:52.64\00:26:55.14 the fear that comes from seeing how good He really is, 00:26:55.18\00:26:58.08 from seeing the Bible lifted up and seeing the gospel exalted. 00:26:58.11\00:27:00.98 That's where you're bringing home their hearts right now, 00:27:01.05\00:27:04.22 Ivor, where we as Christians need to come up higher 00:27:04.25\00:27:06.86 and do better than what happened in the Dark Ages. 00:27:06.89\00:27:08.96 Ivor: That's right... 00:27:08.99\00:27:10.46 James: Well we are out of time, pretty much, 00:27:10.49\00:27:12.63 so, we're not done with Revelation 11 yet 00:27:12.66\00:27:14.90 because we've still got the third woe, 00:27:14.93\00:27:17.10 we've got to cover the third woe, 00:27:17.17\00:27:18.50 and we will cover the third woe in our next session together 00:27:18.53\00:27:20.97 but as far as questions go, Jason, 00:27:21.00\00:27:23.94 what... how can people get ahold of us? 00:27:23.97\00:27:25.57 Jason: They should e-mail us at: sss@3abn. org 00:27:25.61\00:27:29.68 "s" as in Salvation in Symbols and Signs. 00:27:29.71\00:27:32.01 James: Salvation in symbols... these are symbols and signs 00:27:32.08\00:27:34.48 but it's all about salvation. Yvonne: That's right. 00:27:34.52\00:27:36.08 James: I think that's been made very clear here 00:27:36.12\00:27:37.45 as we've gone through this message. 00:27:37.49\00:27:38.82 Yvonne: Amen. 00:27:38.85\00:27:40.19 James: Let's praise God for how He's led us... so... 00:27:40.22\00:27:41.56 so, we'll pick up in Revelation chapter 11 00:27:41.59\00:27:43.53 and probably around verse 14 with, "The second woe is past; 00:27:43.56\00:27:47.56 and, behold, the third woe comes quickly. " 00:27:47.60\00:27:50.13 What is this third woe that comes quickly? 00:27:50.17\00:27:52.07 Because that's going to take us to the rest... 00:27:52.10\00:27:53.97 the end of Revelation 11 00:27:54.04\00:27:55.54 and then we've going to be hitting Revelation 12 00:27:55.57\00:27:56.91 and ooooh... I'm excited about that... 00:27:56.94\00:27:58.27 it's so exciting... 00:27:58.31\00:27:59.64 Yvonne: Another cliffhanger... James: Yes. 00:27:59.67\00:28:01.01