Okay we're in Revelation 10
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and we have
given a basic overview,
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we've gone through
the chapter, the verses,
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we've kind of laid out the
connection between Revelation
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chapter 10 and Daniel 10 and 12,
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and we've shown that
they connected together,
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these two books connected here
and it's really cool because
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the book of Daniel was
sealed at the end of his writing
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and now it's open,
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it was sealed for
certain periods of time
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and now those
times are no longer...
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so the angel that
sealed the book...
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went through certain motions...
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came to Daniel glorified...
stood on the waters of the river
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had his hands to heaven,
sware by him that lives forever,
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that this book will be sealed
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for a time,
times and half a time
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then the same thing
happens in Revelation chapter 10
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we have this mighty angel...
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stands on the
earth and on the sea
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holds his hands up to heaven,
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sweareth by Him that
lives forever and ever...
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that time should be no longer
and that's why the book's open
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in Revelation
10:1... the book is open...
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it's unsealed... and then
there's these seven thunders...
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this message... this
perfect message from God
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that comes out of
the book of Daniel
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that Daniel or John can't write
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and later he was told
to go and eat the book
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so it's not like...
"you can't have the message"
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it's like... "Just
don't write it out...
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it's already written in Daniel,
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you need to go to
the book of Daniel
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and consume it,
eat it, assimilate it
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and it will be
a sweet experience
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in your mouth...
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but in your belly...
it's going to be bitter"
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and that's what we need to do.
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Ivor: Yeah, I think they're
like two bookends of one vision
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you have the angel appearing
at the beginning of the bookend
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so that will be... at
the beginning of the 1,260...
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that's not when
he appears but the...
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it talks about the book
being sealed for that long.
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At the end of that
vision, the angel appears again
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and says, "Okay, this
is the end of the vision"
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his face is like the sun...
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this is going to
connect us with the fact
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that we are just
coming out of the Dark Ages
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and there's about to be light
revealed to the people of God
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and the light that is revealed
is... I mean... it's light...
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and that light
actually is going to help
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the people of God be affirmed in
their prophetic understanding.
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James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Jason: Break down the "sweet in
the mouth bitter in the belly. "
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Yvonne: Well, before
we do that, let's pray.
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Ivor: Yes.
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Yvonne: Let's get... yeah,
but that's a good question, Jay.
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Ivor: Yes, that's
a "sweet" question.
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Yvonne: It's a sweet question.
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James: Sweet...
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Ivor: Let's
pray... "Heavenly Father,
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we want to ask
that you would guide us
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as we continue to go
through the book of Revelation,
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we pray that you'll
give us understanding
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and we pray that
you would open our eyes
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that we may behold wondrous
things out of thy book...
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in Jesus' name we pray, amen. "
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All: "Amen... "
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James: All right,
what's your question for us?
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Jason: So, when it
says, "Sweet in the mouth...
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bitter in the
belly... " what does that mean?
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James: So basically you have,
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first of all...
the book of Daniel...
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so it's talking
about God's Word...
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and I love this idea because
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it's actually
describing something that
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a particular
prophetic Movement went through
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but it's also speaking
about our own experiences,
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it's very practical...
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for example... when I
first gave my heart to Jesus,
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it was a sweet experience...
I was in love with Jesus,
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but in accepting the gospel
and seeing God change my life,
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there were some difficulties
that I went through,
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for example, with
friends, I lost friends over it
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and that wasn't
sweet... that was bitter.
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You know, to lose
friends, to find people that...
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that because
you're different now
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and that you don't do
the things you used to do,
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they no longer want
to hang around with you
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and be with you and
they're uncomfortable around you
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that's a bitter experience...
so the sweet-bitter experience
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you see that... all through the
Scriptures with God's people.
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It's the sweetness
of accepting His Word...
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and in the bitterness of
the disappointments that come
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as we go through
various experiences in life,
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but more specifically here...
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there is an experience
that a group of people have
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based upon understanding the
prophecies of the book of Daniel
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and just in a
nutshell, before we go there,
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the idea is... is that
the book of Daniel was sealed
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not because God didn't
want people to know about it,
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but rather, because, it couldn't
totally be comprehended,
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because it was so
far ahead of its time...
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: So Daniel
was trying to figure out
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how does this book
relate to what's happening today
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and God told them basically,
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"Ah... it's not
for... a long time ahead...
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many days in the future,
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your people in the end of time
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are going to
understand these prophecies"
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and so Daniel is
told to seal it up...
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then when we get
to that time period,
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in the end... after the 1,260
and the 1,335 and the 1,290
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those time
prophecies are... have ended...
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we get to the place where
Daniel's book is actually open
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Revelation 10 where
he's standing in his lot,
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bearing his testimony...
it says there in Daniel 12:13
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and that causes
people to study it
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and as they start studying it
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they come to this conclusion
about this time prophecy
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I understand to
be the 2,300 days
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and they see it
as a day for a year
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as beginning in 457...
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as ending with the
cleansing of the Sanctuary
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and they come to a conclusion
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that the
cleansing of the Sanctuary
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must be when Christ
comes back to the earth
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to cleanse the earth with fire
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because the
Sanctuary is the earth,
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at that point they have no clue
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there's a Sanctuary in
heaven according to Hebrews
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there's a Sanctuary in
heaven, they're not thinking...
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the whole Christian
world basically believes
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that the earth is the Sanctuary
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so they proclaim this
message based on the 2,300 days
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that in 1844...
Jesus is going to return
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and cleanse the
earth... and it's a sweet...
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they have a
sweetness... ah sweet...
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it's so clear... the delineation
begins and ends where it does
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that's set...
they're clear on that...
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they're just wrong on the event
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and so they have
the sweet experience...
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they sacrifice
everything... friends...
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everything that's dear to
them they leave it all behind
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and they're waiting for
Jesus and He doesn't return
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and they go through a
bitter disappointment.
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That's the short
and the long of it,
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that's the basic summary of it.
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That's the
sweet-bitter experience.
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Ivor: Let me, again, try
to put this into perspective
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and we're going to look at
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what's happening
in Revelation 10...
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this sweet and
bitter experience...
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this bitter experience
of 1844 and what that meant
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to God's people at the time
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so, let's go back a
little bit and remember that...
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just before this
you have the Dark Ages
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okay, this is the
Papacy... dominating...
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okay, one of the
things that the Bible tells us
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that the Papacy would
do during the Dark Ages,
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is found in Daniel 7:25
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where it says
that this little horn
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"that he shall think
to change times and laws"
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okay, so that word, "times"
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is used elsewhere
in the book of Daniel
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and is referred... and
in Revelation as well...
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we're looking at the little
power ruling for how long?
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Time, times and
half a time... okay...
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now why is that significant?
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Because Martin
Luther and many of the other
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Protestant
Reformers began to identify
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the Papacy through
this time prophecy,
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"Wait a minute,
a day for a year,
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if that is Biblical
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then this power is not ruling
for three-and-a-half years,
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or 1,260 days... it's
ruling for 1,260 years...
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hey, there is only one power
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that has been ruling for
centuries and it's the Papacy"
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so the Papacy was like,
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"Well, man, we are losing people
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because of this,
what are we going to do?"
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So in the 1500s...
they have this Council
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called the "Council of Trent"
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and the Council of Trent...
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they decide to come up
with two new schools of prophecy
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we talked about this in
one of our first programs,
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Preterism and Futurism...
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James: Alcasar and Ribera.
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Ivor: Absolutely and these guys
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came up with
these schools that said,
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"Hey, these prophecies
are all in the future"
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Futurism...
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or they're all in
the past... Preterism...
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but in order to do that...
guess what they had to change?
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James: Times...
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Ivor: Times... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: "This is not
a- day-for-a-year...
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what are you talking about?
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This is a day-for-a-day... "
so there is this deep argument,
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"Is the day-for-a-year
principle even legitimate?
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Come on, look, it's not so. "
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So, when 1798 is approaching,
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and these scholars are
saying, "Well, you know what?
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if the day-for-a-year
principle is right,
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then... because
we don't really have
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any way to prove
it, we're just assuming
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but if it's
right, then guess what?
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by 1798... the Papacy
should receive a deadly wound. "
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And guess what happened?
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1798... the Papacy
receives a deadly wound.
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James: It could
hardly wait to get there
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because it was
February of 1798...
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Ivor: Absolutely.
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James: Let's pop in
there... let's do this.
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Yvonne: Wow!
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Ivor: Wow! but
the Bible says this,
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"In the mouth of
two or three witnesses,
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let ever word be established. "
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So, you know what God does?
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"Because, hey, maybe
that was just chance... "
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Yvonne: Ah ha... ah ha...
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Ivor: You know
what else he does?
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He gives them the prophecy
of the 391 years and 15 days.
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So, now, when 1840
rolls around, they're like...
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see, at 1798... after
1798... what this did,
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remember, the book is
now opened now they're like,
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"We get it... a
day-for-a-year principle...
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okay, it fits... "
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James: That's
with the 2,300 too.
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Ivor: That's right...
that's when they began studying
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the 2,300-day
prophecy and they're like,
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"We're getting it,
we're getting it... "
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so, if that's true...
then, 1844 must also be true,
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right, so now
they're moving along...
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in the mouth of
two or three witnesses,
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guess what God does?
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He now gives
them the 1840 prophecy
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and now they're like,
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"Oh yeah, we
know for sure now. "
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Yvonne: "And
we're doing it right
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because we can confirm it. "
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Ivor: "We're doing it
right... we can confirm it...
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we can point to
1840... we can point to 1798"
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so, now when 1844
rolls around, and by-the-way,
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the Christian world is like,
"Whoa, there's something to this
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day-for-a-year principle
I mean, look, look... "
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but in the mouth of
two... "Maybe it's coincidence"
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the second time it happens,
"Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah... "
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now, guess what
happens when 1844 disappoints?
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All of a sudden they're
like, "Wait a minute... "
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James: We were on a roll here.
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Ivor: "Were we wrong,
was something going on?"
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
hmmm... James: Yeah.
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Ivor: And it's amazing because
what really came into question
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was this
day-for-a-year principle...
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And this is the
key thing is that...
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after 1844... all those people
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that were on the verge of
accepting this prophecy...
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they turned and rejected
the day-for-a-year principle.
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James: Hmmm...
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Ivor: And as a result,
they went back to Preterism
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or Futurism...
only one Movement...
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only one people actually said,
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"Wait a minute... wait a minute"
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so in Revelation chapter 10,
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when the angel
gives him this book...
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and says, "Look, you're
going to have a disappointment
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but don't worry
about it, I'm showing you
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that what you did not understand
I've already prophesied it,
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you are right, the
day-for-a-year principle
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it is accurate... you
just got the event wrong
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and I didn't
tell you the event...
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'Angels, don't write
it... '" James: Hmmm... hmmm.
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James: "John, don't write it. "
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Ivor: "John,
don't write it" right,
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"John, don't write
that part" you know...
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"I need to have this happen
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because what this
is going to do is... "
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how many of you
remember the story of Gideon?
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When Gideon had the...
he had this great big army
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James: Yeah... Yvonne: Yeah...
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Ivor: All right... God
was like, "Yeah, but you know?
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Some of these guys
aren't ready so whoever... "
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and He brings it down
from like, 21,000 or whatever
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down to the 300...
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1844 reveals the 300...
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that small group of people
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because remember, I mean...
so many were disappointed,
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it was literally
only a handful of people
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and were it not for
Revelation chapter 10,
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that would have been it,
everyone would have been...
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so, I'm just going to
share one more verse with you
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and then we're going to
come back to 2,300 days,
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let's go back to
Daniel chapter 12
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and I'll show you this
very quickly, one verse...
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James: Yeah, do it
and just in saying,
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I don't think we
should touch the...
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do the 2,300 days right now,
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I think we should do
it when we do Daniel...
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Ivor: Yeah, I've been
thinking. James: Okay...
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Ivor: Yeah,
we've... we've done half...
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James: Yeah, and I've got a good
way for us to segue from this.
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Ivor: So, Daniel 10
and notice this, Daniel...
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I'm sorry, Daniel 12...
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Daniel 12 and verse...
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verse 8... so it says,
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"And I heard,
but I understood not:
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then I said, O my Lord,
00:12:54.74\00:12:56.10
what shall be the
end of these things?
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And he said, Go thy way, Daniel:
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for the words are closed up
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and sealed till
the time of the end. "
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1798... right?
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: So after that...
look at the very next verse,
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"Many shall be... "
what? Yvonne: Purified...
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Ivor: Give me
another word for "purified. "
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Yvonne: Cleansed...
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Ivor: Cleansed... huh?
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"Many shall be
purified, and made white... "
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wow, you know
what? That reminds me...
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James: And tried...
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Ivor: Tried... what
does it mean to be tried?
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It means "to be
judged" it means "to be tested"
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and made white... huh?
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isn't it under the 5th trumpet?
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James: Yes...
white robes were sealed..
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Ivor: White robes were
given to every one of them.
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This is pointing
us to the judgment...
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right,
purified... white robes...
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judged or tried...
now look at this...
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"but the wicked
shall do wickedly:
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and none of the
wicked shall understand;
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but the wise shall understand. "
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James: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: What happened in
1844? "Those who truly... "
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those who were
motivated by some other...
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"Oh, is Jesus coming?"
"Oh, well we'd better get ready,
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I mean, I don't
believe with love in my heart
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but we'd better get ready"
00:14:00.77\00:14:02.10
those who really
desired the coming of Christ,
00:14:02.14\00:14:05.27
were separated
from those who were
00:14:05.31\00:14:07.44
kind of going
along with the Movement
00:14:07.48\00:14:09.58
just because they thought,
00:14:09.61\00:14:11.08
"Oh yeah, He's coming,
I'd better get ready. "
00:14:11.11\00:14:12.45
Yvonne: Right...
00:14:12.48\00:14:13.82
Ivor: So, the wicked
did not understand...
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but the wise understood.
Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:14:15.22\00:14:17.29
Ivor: They had a sweet
experience in their mouth
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but it was bitter in their belly
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then they went back and
said, "What went wrong?"
00:14:20.99\00:14:23.43
"Oh, that's the missing...
that's what we didn't hear... "
00:14:23.46\00:14:26.70
"That's the... and even the... "
00:14:26.73\00:14:29.40
so we can know that
even the disappointment
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was God
ordained... because God said,
00:14:32.63\00:14:35.74
"John, don't write
that part. " James: Yeah.
00:14:35.77\00:14:37.37
Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
Ivor: "Don't write that part. "
00:14:37.41\00:14:38.74
Yvonne: That is so
interesting because
00:14:38.77\00:14:41.51
honestly, I've
always wondered, like...
00:14:41.54\00:14:44.28
"Was it a false prophecy?"
I mean, you know, just...
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to be upfront...
was it a false prophecy
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and was this all
based on a false prophecy?
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But to know that God
made provision for that.
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Ivor: We need to
go to the 70 weeks.
00:15:01.06\00:15:03.87
James: We got another parallel,
that's what we got to do...
00:15:03.90\00:15:06.30
so, so, when you bring
this up, here's another point
00:15:06.33\00:15:08.90
that I think is really
powerful with the 2,300 days
00:15:08.94\00:15:11.44
is broken into two parts...
00:15:11.47\00:15:12.81
and again, we're not
going to go into the details
00:15:12.84\00:15:14.54
in this program, we're
going to do it in Daniel
00:15:14.58\00:15:16.64
but we're still going
to look at the big picture
00:15:16.68\00:15:18.55
and the parallels... so
the first part is the 70 weeks,
00:15:18.61\00:15:21.32
and that 70-week
part of the 2,300 days...
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applies to Christ,
00:15:23.92\00:15:25.25
His disciples and
their disappointment
00:15:25.29\00:15:29.72
and then you've got the
latter half of the prophecy
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that's connected to it
that applies to the Millerites
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and their disappointment
00:15:34.73\00:15:36.06
and there are
incredible parallels...
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first of all we
need to recognize,
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I'll just make
the first parallel...
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it was predicted the disciples
would forsake Christ...
00:15:40.84\00:15:45.47
it was predicted that
they would forsake Christ,
00:15:45.51\00:15:47.24
that was a prophecy
just like it was predicted
00:15:47.28\00:15:48.94
that you would
have a sweet experience
00:15:49.01\00:15:50.91
but you go through a
bitter disappointment
00:15:50.95\00:15:52.38
the disciples... Jesus said,
00:15:52.41\00:15:53.98
"All of you are
going to forsake me tonight
00:15:54.02\00:15:56.05
you're all going to forsake me"
00:15:56.08\00:15:57.42
that was a
prophecy that Christ gave
00:15:57.45\00:15:58.79
"but afterwards I'm going
to go before you to Jerusalem,
00:15:58.82\00:16:00.92
I'm going to lead you
before you get into Galilee,"
00:16:00.96\00:16:03.73
so, the disciples went
through a bitter disappointment
00:16:03.76\00:16:06.56
even though God told
them what was going to happen
00:16:06.59\00:16:09.20
over and over and over
again, Jesus said to them,
00:16:09.23\00:16:11.53
"I'm going to go to Calvary
I'm going to go to Calvary,
00:16:11.57\00:16:13.50
I'm going to go to Calvary...
I'm going to go to Calvary"
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over and over and over
again, He told them that
00:16:15.47\00:16:17.27
but they still didn't get
it and so, it was so sweet,
00:16:17.31\00:16:21.98
Jesus was coming into Jerusalem
and they were... triumphal entry
00:16:22.04\00:16:25.08
and they were, "Hosanna, yes
" and "this is the Messiah. "
00:16:25.11\00:16:27.88
Ivor: Sweet in the mouth.
James: Sweet, sweet, sweet,
00:16:27.92\00:16:30.29
three days
later... devastated...
00:16:30.32\00:16:32.79
everyone that was proclaiming
His... Him as the Messiah
00:16:32.82\00:16:37.29
and were throwing
their coats down and their...
00:16:37.33\00:16:38.66
all those people... hundreds...
thousands of people, gone...
00:16:38.69\00:16:41.36
the disciples...
hiding in a room,
00:16:41.40\00:16:44.17
going through this
bitter disappointment
00:16:44.20\00:16:46.63
and God purged out all
of that great multitude
00:16:46.67\00:16:49.74
and brought it down to
just a handful of faithful
00:16:49.80\00:16:52.81
added to their number,
poured out His Spirit... pooh...
00:16:52.84\00:16:55.51
exploded... and they went
to the world with this message.
00:16:55.54\00:16:58.18
So you see the parallels
there in that one area.
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Ivor: I want to add
to that parallel because
00:17:00.52\00:17:02.72
what was supposed to be the
death knell for the disciples,
00:17:02.75\00:17:08.42
became the very
cornerstone of their Movement.
00:17:08.46\00:17:10.93
Yvonne: Hmmm...
James: Good, good, good.
00:17:10.96\00:17:12.39
Ivor: In other
words, it was like,
00:17:12.43\00:17:13.76
you know, "Yeah,
Jesus died... now what?"
00:17:13.80\00:17:15.76
Guess what? The
bitter experience...
00:17:15.80\00:17:18.80
became... they never let go
of that bitter experience...
00:17:18.83\00:17:20.90
that bitter
experience was actually sweet.
00:17:20.94\00:17:22.57
Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:17:22.60\00:17:23.94
Ivor: So that became the very...
00:17:23.97\00:17:25.31
they weren't like,
trying to hide it...
00:17:25.34\00:17:26.74
"Oh yeah, know
that... yeah but we still... "
00:17:26.78\00:17:30.08
no, no, no,
no... they were like...
00:17:30.11\00:17:31.45
they were pointing
people to that very thing...
00:17:31.48\00:17:34.75
that was so bitter to
them, it became the cornerstone
00:17:34.78\00:17:37.52
1844... that
bitter disappointment
00:17:37.55\00:17:40.66
became the
cornerstone... now here's the...
00:17:40.69\00:17:42.76
amazing thing... when
it became the cornerstone,
00:17:42.79\00:17:45.99
they were like, "Oh
yeah, no, no, no, no, no,
00:17:46.03\00:17:48.80
we thought Jesus was to coming
to this earth to be a king
00:17:48.83\00:17:52.10
but no... He's entered
into a heavenly Sanctuary. "
00:17:52.13\00:17:54.64
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:17:54.67\00:17:56.27
Ivor: And, the
people of the time,
00:17:56.30\00:17:58.11
"Oh, wow! how convenient...
00:17:58.14\00:18:01.74
face-saving prophecy, right?
00:18:01.78\00:18:05.31
Now He's in the heavenly
Sanctuary that we can't see
00:18:05.38\00:18:08.48
hmmm... hmmm... "
00:18:08.52\00:18:09.92
James: "All of us
can see that structure
00:18:09.95\00:18:11.29
we got... earthly
Sanctuary right here,
00:18:11.32\00:18:12.65
that's where we
should be going... "
00:18:12.69\00:18:14.49
Ivor: Exactly,
so, they were saying,
00:18:14.52\00:18:16.32
"Yeah, you guys are just
making this up to save face. "
00:18:16.36\00:18:18.29
Yvonne: Right...
00:18:18.33\00:18:20.16
Ivor: To save face...
00:18:20.20\00:18:21.53
James: "You stole His
body... He wasn't resurrected. "
00:18:21.56\00:18:23.77
Ivor: "Yeah, yeah, come on...
00:18:23.80\00:18:25.13
He's not in the
heavenly Sanctuary,
00:18:25.17\00:18:26.50
I mean, obviously,
this is a failed prophecy"
00:18:26.53\00:18:29.50
very same... in other words
00:18:29.54\00:18:31.64
the parallel is
absolutely amazing...
00:18:31.67\00:18:33.34
James: On the other
end of the same prophecy.
00:18:33.38\00:18:34.71
Ivor: On the other end
of the same prophecy...
00:18:34.74\00:18:36.08
one more thing, it
was two disciples...
00:18:36.11\00:18:39.08
James: Let's say it...
say it Ivor, say it Ivor...
00:18:39.11\00:18:41.12
on the other end
of the same prophecy,
00:18:41.15\00:18:43.59
you have this disappointment
and the whole world's saying,
00:18:43.62\00:18:46.25
"Oh, you guys are
just face-saving...
00:18:46.29\00:18:47.66
your prophecy wasn't fulfilled
00:18:47.69\00:18:49.86
and you're just saving...
oh, He went into the... what?"
00:18:49.89\00:18:51.99
The Most Holy Place
of the heavenly Sanctuary
00:18:52.03\00:18:54.93
same... same issue...
00:18:54.96\00:18:56.50
the disciples... He
went into the Sanctuary,
00:18:56.53\00:18:58.50
the Millerites... He
went into the Sanctuary,
00:18:58.53\00:19:00.50
here He went
into the Holy place...
00:19:00.54\00:19:01.87
here He went into
the Most Holy Place.
00:19:01.90\00:19:03.27
Ivor: And those
who did not believe
00:19:03.30\00:19:04.84
that He had entered
into the heavenly realms,
00:19:04.87\00:19:07.31
were not
benefitted by His ministry...
00:19:07.34\00:19:09.24
James: In the disciples' time...
00:19:09.28\00:19:10.91
Ivor: In the
disciples' time and the same...
00:19:10.95\00:19:13.21
those who were like,
"Yeah, no, no, no... "
00:19:13.28\00:19:15.68
could not be
benefitted by the understanding
00:19:15.72\00:19:18.12
of what was
actually occurring in 1844
00:19:18.15\00:19:20.29
and how that relates
to the very end of time.
00:19:20.32\00:19:22.09
Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:19:22.12\00:19:23.46
Ivor: The day after
the Great Disappointment...
00:19:23.49\00:19:26.70
James: Here it
comes... here it comes...
00:19:26.76\00:19:28.10
Ivor: You got two disciples...
00:19:28.13\00:19:29.46
James: My feet are getting
hot, my feet are getting hot...
00:19:29.50\00:19:31.47
it was good
right... it was good right?
00:19:31.50\00:19:33.80
Ivor: Yeah, you
got two disciples
00:19:33.84\00:19:35.84
walking on the road to Emmaus...
00:19:35.87\00:19:37.84
James: At night... they
didn't want anyone to see them,
00:19:37.87\00:19:40.84
they're all... just
like, "Let's go... "
00:19:40.88\00:19:43.14
Ivor: When they
receive the revelation
00:19:43.18\00:19:47.12
"Oh! that's what it
is... Jesus is alive. "
00:19:47.15\00:19:49.78
James: He's walking with them
00:19:49.82\00:19:51.99
and He's opening
up the prophecies...
00:19:52.05\00:19:53.46
Ivor: Yeah, He's
opening the prophecies to them.
00:19:53.49\00:19:55.62
James: Yeah, He's
revealing it all to them.
00:19:55.66\00:19:57.93
Ivor: The day after
October 22, October 23...
00:19:57.96\00:20:00.13
a man by the name of
Hiram Edson and one other guy...
00:20:00.20\00:20:03.06
I cannot remember the guy's
name we were just trying to...
00:20:03.10\00:20:05.23
are walking in a cornfield...
00:20:05.27\00:20:06.94
because they don't
want anyone to see them.
00:20:06.97\00:20:08.44
James: They're not
down the main road,
00:20:08.47\00:20:09.94
they're going
through the cornfield...
00:20:09.97\00:20:11.37
they're going the back way...
00:20:11.41\00:20:14.08
right here in
Illinois cornfield.
00:20:14.11\00:20:16.88
Ivor: Yeah and it is there
that he receives the revelation,
00:20:16.91\00:20:20.72
"Wait a minute, the Sanctuary is
not the earth, it's the heavens"
00:20:20.75\00:20:28.36
and that realization helped
to move the Adventist Church
00:20:28.42\00:20:34.56
forward... "Go forward,
but you must prophesy again"
00:20:34.60\00:20:40.70
because
before... they were like,
00:20:40.74\00:20:42.27
"Oh, we're going
forward... " and then boom!
00:20:42.30\00:20:44.34
it's disappointment...
"Were we wrong?
00:20:44.37\00:20:47.34
Were we wrong about 1798?
No, we know we weren't wrong"
00:20:47.38\00:20:51.18
in fact, I believe James...
00:20:51.21\00:20:52.65
and I'm just kind
of saying this that
00:20:52.68\00:20:54.85
if 1798 and 1840
had not occurred,
00:20:54.88\00:20:56.99
they would have no reason
to have even... stuck around
00:20:57.02\00:21:00.39
and said, "Maybe we got...
maybe we got something wrong,"
00:21:00.46\00:21:03.59
no, because 1798 and
1840 were the two pivotal
00:21:03.63\00:21:09.00
points that made them say,
00:21:09.03\00:21:11.73
"Okay, we must
have got something wrong
00:21:11.77\00:21:14.54
the date had to be right,
something else is wrong. "
00:21:14.57\00:21:17.07
James: Yeah.
Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:21:17.11\00:21:18.44
Ivor: And those who
ended up rejecting 1844,
00:21:18.47\00:21:21.34
also rejected
1840... also rejected 1798...
00:21:21.41\00:21:24.31
which does away with the
understanding of the Papacy,
00:21:24.35\00:21:26.41
does away with the understanding
of time, times and a half
00:21:26.45\00:21:29.32
and then you are left
with only two choices,
00:21:29.35\00:21:31.55
Preterism or Futurism.
00:21:31.59\00:21:33.19
James: All right,
feeling the heat on your feet?
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Ivor: I'm feeling the heat.
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James: Here's a little bit
more, the predecessor to Christ
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when He came the first
time was John the Baptist,
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John the Baptist...
out in the wilderness...
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eating locusts...
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John the Baptist out in the
wilderness... eating locusts,
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and eventually he's beheaded
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but he's confirming
that this is the Messiah...
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the people are
believing John the Baptist,
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they're convinced
He's a prophet of God
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and so he points to Jesus...
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and because he points to Jesus,
the people are directed to Jesus
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and he dies... he languishes
and has his head lopped off
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then you go to the
391-year prophecy...
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15-day prophecy and
you've got this prophecy
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that's... it's all
mixed up with these locusts...
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and this wilderness...
this desolate place...
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that's pointing to
the Millerite Movement...
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that's confirming
the Millerite Movement
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and right now...
in a Theological sense
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the head's been
lopped off of that prophecy
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and it's just
lying desolate somewhere
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just like John the Baptist,
the parallels are incredible,
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John the Baptist
was so convincing...
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such a firm... an
affirmation of Christ...
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and this prophecy
was such an affirmation
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of the Millerite Movement
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and both of them...
the greatest prophet...
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the greatest time prophecy,
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I'm going to say, "the
greatest time prophecy"
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not because of what it predicts
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because the one that's
the greatest prediction
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is the 70 weeks...
because it points to Jesus
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but the greatest in
how accurate it had to be
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it had to go right
to the day, you see
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and John the Baptist was
it, he was the greatest prophet,
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not in the sense that he
wrote the Old or New Testament,
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he didn't... we
don't have his writings
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but in a sense that he was
just pointing people to Christ
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he had a large following
but he pointed people to Jesus.
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Jason: And when John the
Baptist was in the wilderness,
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he was literally... that...
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that eating locusts
was literal or was that...?
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James: You had to
ask that question...
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and we were just flowing along
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and everything's
going really good
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and all of a sudden...
now we're talking about...
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now we're talking
about baked locusts...
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oh ooooh... no...
what it was was...
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in the Middle East,
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there is what is
known as the locust plant
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and it's a tree... it's
actually a tree, a carob tree
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and these
locusts... this locust tree
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it's this plant...
it has little kernels
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that you can grind up
and make bread out of,
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even today they call
it "Saint John's Bread"
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but... but the
people that ate that,
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you see, that
was the kind of stuff
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that you fed to the animals
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this stuff wasn't really
like the food that you would eat
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if you had any kind of money
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so if you had to
eat the locust bread...
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if you had to eat
that kind of food,
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then, you must be pretty poor,
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and if you're
poor, you must be...
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God must not be blessing
you therefore, if you...
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God's not blessing you,
you must need to repent.
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What was the
message of John the Baptist?
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"Repent... " so
the diet that he ate
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went along with the
message that he gave.
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He had camel's
hair... he ate locusts...
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which was the locust plant
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and the locust plant was a diet
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that was usually
given to animals,
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if you had to
eat this kind of diet
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which was animal feed,
you must be really poor,
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therefore, God must...
must not be blessing you
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and, therefore,
you need to repent,
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and his message was
a message of repentance
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but yeah... and even to this day
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yeah, the locusts
are there, not insects...
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you could actually eat them,
people do actually eat them,
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right now, there's a huge
Movement in the United States
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for locust
protein... locust protein...
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you grind it up and just mix
up in your blender and shoosh...
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down it goes... and
you've got some protein.
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Yvonne: Oh...
Jason: I'd rather have...
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Ivor: And there's
another one too...
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James: Yeah...
it's really worse...
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Ivor: Which we cannot
discuss in the program,
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it's worse than this, yeah.
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Yvonne: Ugh...
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Ivor: Anyway, I think...
this Revelation chapter 10
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really summarizes
nicely why we just went through
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all we went through
with the trumpets...
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especially trumpets 5
and 6 and the whole Dark Ages
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it helps us to
step back again and see,
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"Yeah, there's a
reason why God is doing this"
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He's doing this because
remember the trumpets also mean
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advance... and these trumpets
are allowing God's people
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to see, "Yeah, God is
with us, God is behind us,
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God is ahead of us...
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we're not just like...
wandering in the wilderness"
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those trumpets in the wilderness
every time they were blown,
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when the children of
Israel were on their journey,
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they were blown...
"move forward... move forward"
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and this is God saying,
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"Look, in case you're doubting,
in case you're wondering,
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'where am I?' I
want you to know,
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my hand is over these
things, move forward. "
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Jason: I really like that one...
the prophecy where it was like
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to the day... how it worked...
391 years... 15 days...
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James: That's the
one I'm talking about.
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Jason: Prescise.
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James: Yeah, that's the
John-the-Baptist prophecy,
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that's like... boom!
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Ivor: And you get rid
of those two prophecies,
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you get rid of one
of those prophecies...
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and you really lose the message
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of what God is
trying to tell His people
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in Revelation chapter 10,
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the emphasis of the
Great Disappointment,
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is kind of... you
don't really get it
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unless you understand it
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in the context of that 1840
prophecy and the 1798 prophecy.
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James: And I really hope that...
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that our Viewers
are understanding
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the point that's
being established
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through these
programs and that is...
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the book of
Revelation is tied together,
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it's closely tied together,
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every prophecy...
every section of this book,
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these prophetic cycles
that repeat and enlarge...
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each one is
dependent on the other
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and each one brings more
meaning to the next section,
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so if you look at the history
that's taking place here,
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you see it growing
and growing and growing
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because by the time we get to
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Revelation
chapters 12, 13 and 14,
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basically, we've got a summary
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of everything
we've already covered,
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the everlasting
gospel is not some new thing
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that God just threw in
there at the end of time,
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it's something that we've been
developing all the way through,
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the light... the
Sun of righteousness
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all of these
prophecies pointing us to Jesus
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and directing us away from men.
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Now, there's one thing
that we haven't covered here
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that I wanted to remind us of...
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for our next program and
that's the mystery of God,
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here's going to be
what we're gong to find
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another confirmation...
everything we just talked about,
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the fact that the time
prophecies... come to an end
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that we're not into Futurism,
that we're not into Preterism,
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is going to be confirmed
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by this ides of the
mystery of Godliness,
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we've got to
remember to touch on that
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as we get into our next Program.
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All right, what do
our Viewers need to do
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to get ahold of these Programs?
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Jason: Well, they have to send
us an e-mail at sss@3abn. org
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James: You heard
the man, sss@3abn. org
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so send in your
e-mails and videos.
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Jason: Yes. Ivor: Amen.
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Yvonne: Amen.
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