Okay, we're picking
up where we left off,
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we kind of had a
cliffhanger right there
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and we talked
here in the sixth woe
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or... excuse
me... the 6th trumpet
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or the 2nd woe
about the development
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of the Ottoman
Empire under Othman
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and for leading
Generals of this vast multitude
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of power under
Muslims... the Muslim power
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as it comes
together and it seeks now
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not just to having incursions
into the Eastern Roman Empire
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but it actually sets its eyes
on taking over Constantinople...
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the seat of that empire...
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that's what we're
looking at right now
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not just in
prophecy but in history
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and so, we're going to
look at those time periods,
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we're going to
identify them from the Bible
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prophetically and
then put some dates on them
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and see if the
dates fit the history...
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the record that we have
in the annals of history
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and then go through
the rest of these verses
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and try to identify
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some of the
points that God is making
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in these verses that
are really important for us
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so that we can
finish up this prophecy
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and move on to
Revelation chapter 10.
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Yvonne: Yes...
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James: This is kind of
like the second woe, part 2.
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Yvonne: Laughing...
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James: All right, so, let's
start with a word of prayer
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Jason, you want to lead us out?
Jason: Sure. James: Thank you.
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Jason: "Dear Heavenly
Father, we thank you so much
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for bringing us back
together to study your Word,
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we ask that you would be with us
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and your Holy Spirit
to lead us into all truth
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and be with our
Viewers and Listeners as well
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help them to
break out their Bibles
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and to study it for themselves,
in Jesus' name we pray, amen. "
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All: "Amen... "
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James: So, we kind of
left off where we have the
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the second woe
starting with this angel
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that is coming from the
four horns of the golden altar
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and we identified that as
leading us to the Holy Place
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and, therefore, this prophecy
is going to be taking place
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in concluding pre-1844,
that's really significant,
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it gives us the
timeframe of where we are
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and then we looked at the idea
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that there are these four
angels that are being loosed
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that are bound in
the river Euphrates,
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now I wanted to
give a reference for that
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and the reference I
want us to look at right now
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is found in Jeremiah 51
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and Jason, if you
have those verses for us...
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Jeremiah 51... let's
read verses 60 and 63.
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Jason: Okay,
starting at verse 60,
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"So Jeremiah wrote
in a book all the evil
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that should come upon
Babylon, even all these words
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that are
written against Babylon.
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And it shall be when
thou hast made an end
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of reading this book,
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that thou shalt
bind a stone to it,
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and cast it into the
midst of the Euphrates. "
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All right, so, the
interesting part about this is
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that Jeremiah is writing a
book about all of the evils
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that are going to
come upon Babylon,
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Babylon was the nation that
God used to bring chastisement
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to His apostate
people in the Old Testament
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and the Babylonian
nation is the same nation
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that God describes as
locusts in Joel chapter 2,
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same nation... and so... here's
a nation that God raises up
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and He brings against His
people and then God says...
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and in turn, they're going
to receive these judgments etc
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so, it's interesting
because Babylon is a code name
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for God's apostate
people in the end of time
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and we're going to see this
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as we get into our
4th prophetic cycle
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that Babylon
becomes the code name
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for the end-time apostate
church... Christian church...
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and so in Revelation chapter
9 when the 6th angel sounds
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"loose the four angels that are
bound in the river Euphrates"
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reminds us of the
judgments against Babylon
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that were thrown in
the river Euphrates,
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they were written
out, tied to a stone
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and thrown in
the river Euphrates
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"loose the four angels that are
bound in the river Euphrates"
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so, here we have the very...
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the very same connection...
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God is making a connection
with the Old Testament
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and these judgments that
are coming against Babylon
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Spiritual Babylon being the
Papacy or the Christian church
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that's apostatized
from Christ... from God...
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and the judgments are
being loosed against it
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and that's exactly
what we see historically,
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we've already established that
but what we're seeing here is
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these judgments that
are coming against them
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and it says in verse 15,
"The four angels were loosed
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which were prepared for an
hour, a day, a month and a year
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to slay the third part of
men" now, in earlier verses,
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we know that they
will want to torment them
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and we... we
identified a specific date
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July 27, 1299...
when the torment began,
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and when they started
work... but now what happens is
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when the emperor... and
I just want to clarify this
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because I may have
misstated this last time...
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when the Emperor
John Palaeologus deceased,
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he didn't ascend to
the throne, he died in 1449
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so he dies in 1449 and
there's no one really...
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I mean, I should
say Constantine the 13th
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actually takes his place
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but there's no real
power and authority,
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it's... it's... it's losing...
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it's diminishing
it's power and authority
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the Eastern Roman Empire
is... under Constantine the 13th
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and Constantine
says, "You know what?
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I can only ascend with
permission of the Sultan... "
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the Leader of the Ottoman Empire
the Leader of the Muslims,
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"I can only ascend to the
throne with his permission"
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so he gets his
permission, so in a sense...
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he has acquiesced his
authority to this other power
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which gives him permission but
decides... a few years later...
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"I want Constantinople... "
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so now, they're
just not tormenting,
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they're going to take it
out, they're going to kill it,
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they're going to
die, the third party...
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those who have
apostatized the third part...
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are going to die... and
so... they besieged the city,
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this is the first
time, I think, we're told
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that they used
cannon and gunpowder in war,
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they attack
Constantinople and by 1443...
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July 27, 1443... I
believe it is no, excuse me,
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July 27, 1449 is when he ascends
Constantine the 13th ascends
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and then by 1453,
Constantinople falls.
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So we date it
to July 27, 1449...
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that's when we date
the... this prophetic timeline
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because that's when
Constantine the 13th basically
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relinquished his authority to
the Ottomans... to the Muslims
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so, from that date
we're going to look at
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an hour, a day, a month and
a year we're going to look at
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the year, the
month, the day and the hour
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of this prophetic timeline.
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Now, when we get into prophecy
we know that in the Bible
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it's a 30 month period,
Biblically... we go by 31,
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we have 28 or 29 depending
on what February looks like,
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but in the
Bible, it's 30 days...
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30 days, 30 days, 30
days, that's the cycle,
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the lunar cycle that
the Bible's set on so
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when we look at a year...
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we're looking at
30-days-to-a-month times 12...
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so we have for...
one prophetic year
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I'm looking at a
verse here, it's verse 15...
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"the four angels were loosed,
which were prepared for an hour,
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a day, a month, and a year... "
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so, the hour would equal 124th
of a literal year... 15 days
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one prophetic day
would equal one literal year
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one prophetic month
would equal 30 literal years
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and one prophetic year
would equal 360 literal years
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now we base this
on Ezekiel 4 verse 6,
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we want to look at that verse
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there are a
couple of verses here,
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but I think if we could
just look at one of these...
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Yvonne, can you look up
Ezekiel 4 verse 6 for us?
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Yvonne: Yes...
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"And when thou
hast accomplished them,
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lie again on thy right side,
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and thou shalt bear the iniquity
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of the house of
Judah forty days:
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I have appointed thee
each day for a year. "
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James: Now what's
significant about this is
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Ezekiel is demonstrating a siege
that's coming against Jerusalem
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by order of the Lord,
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so this is a
prophecy predicting a siege
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and God is in this
prediction... this prophecy,
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He's telling every day
that you're going to be
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laying there before the
city... is equal to a year
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now we have another
siege that's going to come
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against Constantinople
and in the context of
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it going down and this...
in a sense... this judgment
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trumpet judgment
coming against them,
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we have this prophetic timeline
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that comes out to
actually 390 literal years
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when you do the day-for-a-year
principle and 15 days,
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which is really
amazing when you think about it
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because... because God
is putting Himself out there
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it's one thing to make a
prophecy that's based on years
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and it can be
fulfilled certain years
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but this one has to be
fulfilled in years and days
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15 days... if it's
14 days it doesn't work
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if it's 16 days it doesn't work
so what it's basically saying is
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these powers would
assault and take down
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after Constantine
the 13th submits to them
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from that date until
they in turn submit back
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to the Christian nations,
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they would be in control
for 391 years and 15 days.
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James: From July 27, 1449...
that takes us to August 11, 1840
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August 11, 1840... what
happens in August 11, 1840?
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Basically what
happens is the Muslim powers
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have had some in-fighting
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and the Pasha...
the Leader of Egypt,
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whose name is... in our
understanding, Muhammad Ali,
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Muhammed Ali... Muhammed Ali...
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he has rebelled
against the Ottoman Empire,
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and even though it's
just one little nation there,
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he's actually doing them
harm, he's taken out the navy,
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he's in control... and
so what the Turks do is...
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they do kind of the same thing
that Constantine the 13th did...
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they rush to Europe
and they beg the help of...
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of London and Russia
and the powers of Europe,
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the four main powers of Europe,
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they go into a
Conference for many days and...
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and the European Powers say,
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"We're going to help you,
we're going to protect you
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if Mohammad Ali continues
his hostilities towards you,
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we'll back you up"
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so basically, what the
Ottoman Empire is doing,
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it's submitting itself
to the Christian Powers
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just like the Christian
Powers submitted themselves
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to the Ottoman
Powers some 391 years before
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now we've got to come to
the day so what happens is
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Rafat... this
Ambassador for the Ottomans...
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he leaves London on a steamer
and he heads down to Egypt
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to give... place into
the hands of Mohammad Ali...
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to place into the hands of
this Pasha... the agreement
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and when he gets there... he
gets there on August 11, 1840
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the very day...
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the very day that this prophecy
was to be fulfilled - he arrives
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now he's put in quarantine...
he doesn't hand it to him
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but he arrives
there... he's there
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so we see an exact
fulfillment of this prophecy
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because what
happens in the end is
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Muhammad Ali sees him...
the Pasha sees him eventually
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and eventually he acquiesces
in outward... to the decrees...
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to the agreement that's
made with European powers
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and the prophecy is
fulfilled... it's over.
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So we see a remarkable
fulfillment of prophecy
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in fact when this
was first preached
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by a man named Josiah Litch,
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he did not preach as we
are doing... he didn't say,
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"Okay, well this 'time
prophecy' applies this way"
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even though there were
many theologians that say,
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"No, it applies punctiliarly,
it's not applying cumulatively"
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this prophecy... he didn't...
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he was not
looking back at history,
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he was not calculating
from historical references,
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"Well in this
date... this happened
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in this date... this happened"
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he was in a sense... but
when he came to the date 1840,
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August 11, 1840...
he was looking forward,
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the date hadn't happened...
nothing had happened yet
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he was still
looking forward because
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when he published his
first article on this,
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it was... the year was 1838...
it was two years before...
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and he had many different
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clarifications that he made
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the differences that he
made when he went through this
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but he eventually
settled on August 11, 1840
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and when it happened,
atheists, agnostics...
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people of no faith
or belief were converted
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they wrote him letters,
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he received 100s of letters
from people all over the world
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who had...
because of his predictions
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and his prophecies
that were widely proclaimed
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who had been
watching and when they saw
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the arrival of this
Ambassador on the very day
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that this prophecy
was to be fulfilled,
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and he arrived
there... and in a few days
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the Pasha received this
summons from the Powers...
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this Edict from the
Powers that basically said,
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"You touch these guys,
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they're under our
control right now,
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so you touch
them... you touch us...
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you mess with
them... you mess with us. "
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So it was a reversal
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of the very way the prophecy
was enacted... to the very date.
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Yvonne: Wow!
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James: It's an incredible
fulfillment. Yvonne: It is.
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Ivor: I want to kind of
set this again in context of...
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again, because some of
the Listeners will be like,
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"Okay, well... so all this
history... this detailed history
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man, what does this...
why... what does this mean?"
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So, let's remember that
these trumpets are designed to
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allow God's
people to advance, okay,
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give sail, if you will,
give wind to the Movement
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right, okay, we've
got to be encouraged,
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we've got to advance, one
of the things we can look at
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immediately is that... when
that prophecy was fulfilled,
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guess what?
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The Movement of God got larger,
in other words, it was like,
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"Oh yeah, we are right,
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this is a
vindication of the Bible... "
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and the other thing...
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because what was
being preached at this time,
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was that Christ was
going to return in 1844
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this... the
fulfillment of this prophecy,
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was almost like... "Advance...
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yeah, yeah, yeah, the
time prophecies are right"
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I mean, we've been
looking at this thing of 1844
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what we've really had...
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we'd actually had
one prophecy before
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that really gave sail, if
you will, to the Movement,
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that was 1798... because
that prophecy was fulfilled
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in a very similar
way, it's very interesting.
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James:
A-day-for-a-year principle.
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Ivor: Oh, yeah, a-
day-for-a-year principle.
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James: It's been vindicated
in all these applications.
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Ivor: Before... I
think it was 1797...
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in 1796... there were
Scholars who were writing
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that if Bible
prophecy is accurate,
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by 1798... next year...
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the Papacy will
receive a deadly wound,
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so what's interesting...
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if you look at both
of these prophecies,
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the 1798 Prophecy
and the 1840 Prophecy,
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both of them
solidified the understanding
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of the day-year principle
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which caused the
people of God to advance
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now, let me tell you
why that's so significant,
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because 1798 would be
the "deadly wound" of who?
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James: The Papacy.
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Ivor: The Papacy...
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1840 seems like the
deadly wound of who?
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The Ottoman Empire,
okay, very interesting
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sounds like both of
them received deadly wounds
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within 42 years of each other,
here's why that's significant,
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when did the
Papacy come into power?
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538 A.D.
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When did Islam come into power?
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622 A.D.
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Within 84 years of each other,
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you've got these two
Powers rising on the scene,
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okay, the Papacy
first... Islam second...
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both of them are
religio-political powers
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okay, both of them deny
Christ, not the Holy Spirit
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but God uses one of them to
help shut the other one down,
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because the other
one... the Papacy is...
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what is it doing? It's
attacking the people of God
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so God says, "Okay, you're
a religio-political power,
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you're using these
powers against my people,
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I'm going to
allow a power to rise,
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84 years after they do...
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and they are going to be a thorn
in your side for the whole time
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so, when the Papacy shuts down,
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it's... the deadly wound,
it's as though God's saying,
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James: "The thorn is
not needed anymore. "
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Ivor: Yeah, "The
thorn is not needed anymore,
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we're going to shut you down
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but by-the-way as we're
shutting both of you down,
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we're going to use this
as a trumpet, as it were,
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so that God's people can
go, 'Uh, let's advance... '"
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Yvonne: Yeah, yeah, wow.
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James: "Come out
of the wilderness... "
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Ivor: "Yeah,
we're okay, we got it,
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look at these prophecies,
they are being fulfilled,
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we understand that
this is vindication
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of what we are believing
so, we're going to advance"
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and this understanding
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is really going to
tie into what happens
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in Revelation
chapter 10. James: It does.
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Ivor: Because in
Revelation chapter 10
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it's like...
they step back and go,
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"Oh, we were wrong,
we'll see that in a moment"
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it's almost
like... but they fall back
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on what happens in 1840...
in 1798... as a reassurance that
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"No, no, no, no, you
guys are on the right track
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don't forget about
what happened in 1840,
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don't forget about
what happened in 1798...
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you're on the right track,
you're just missing something"
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and we're kind of jumping
the gun here a little bit...
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James: Yeah, that's
right, good, we're connecting...
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Ivor: Exactly...
James: It's all connecting.
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Ivor: So, when we talk
about like, for example,
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like, James just now
went through this whole detail
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of what happened in 1798
Napoleon... and kind of like...
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the political
history behind Napoleon
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and how he went in
and took the Pope captive
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that history makes sense to us,
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actually some of that
history makes sense to us
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in the context of,
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"We understand
that it was prophetic
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and not just God saying,
'Hey, I know the future'"
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but that there's
a storyline, right,
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the Papacy is wounded so
that God's people can advance
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well, the same
thing with the history
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we just learned about,
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"Okay, what
happened in 1840 August 11,
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how did... what,
okay, it's all right...
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I get the details
but what is it about?"
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James: Well... Ivor:
This is what's happening.
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James: "What's
the reason?" Yeah.
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Ivor: "This is the reason...
" we step back and we're like,
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"Ah, I get it
now... I get it... "
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so, again, we're getting into
the trees and looking at the...
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but we step back as well and go,
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"Ah... I get the
forest, I see what's going on. "
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James: Which is really
interesting that you say this,
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Ivor, because that's exactly
why Revelation 10 comes next.
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Ivor: Absolutely.
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James: Revelation
10 is the point...
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the point of the
seven trumpets' succession
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the seven
trumpets are moving through
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step by step to bring
us to Revelation 10 because
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there is the
movement of God's people,
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well, how come Revelation 10
wasn't in chapter 7 or 8 or...
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well, the reason is is
because God had to show
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the development of history,
the development of apostasy,
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how He's judged
at... how He gave...
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it says in
Revelation's Church of Thyatira,
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how He gave
Jezebel time to repent,
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He put her into
a bed of affliction
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and gave her time to
repent and she repented not,
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now notice this,
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because we're going
to read some verses here,
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Jason, read these
verses for us right here
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just read the rest of the verses
and we'll highlight this point
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as we get
through them so read here
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verses 16 through
21 of Revelation 9.
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Jason: Okay, "And
the number of the army
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of the horsemen were two
hundred thousand thousand:
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and I heard the number of them.
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And thus I saw the
horses in the vision,
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and them that sat on them,
having breastplates of fire,
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and of jacinth, and brimstone:
00:20:21.25\00:20:25.12
and the heads of the horses
were as the heads of lions;
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and out of their mouths issued
fire and smoke and brimstone.
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By these three was the
third part of men killed,
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by the fire, and by the smoke,
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and by the brimstone,
00:20:36.70\00:20:38.03
which issued
out of their mouths.
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For their power
is in their mouth,
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and in their tails:
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for their tails
were like unto serpents,
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and had heads, and
with them they do hurt.
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And the rest of the men which
were not killed by these plagues
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yet repented not of
the works of their hands,
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that they should
not worship devils,
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and idols of gold, and
silver, and brass, and stone,
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and of wood:
which neither can see,
00:21:01.56\00:21:04.43
nor hear, nor walk:
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Neither repented
they of their murders,
00:21:05.83\00:21:10.03
nor of their sorceries,
nor of their fornication,
00:21:10.07\00:21:14.60
nor of their thefts. "
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James: Okay, so,
here's the big picture again,
00:21:16.20\00:21:18.71
God has sent a judgment,
00:21:18.74\00:21:20.21
it's Islam...
it's the Ottoman Empire
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and by the way, the
fire and the brimstone...
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this reminds us of
gunpowder that proceed...
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the gunpowder was
used for the first time...
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by the Muslims... in warfare...
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Yvonne: They invented it?
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James: Yes, and it was
used at Constantinople...
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the cannons that
brought those walls down...
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because the walls
were almost impregnable
00:21:41.96\00:21:44.20
the cannon that
brought those walls down
00:21:44.23\00:21:46.43
were these huge cannons
00:21:46.47\00:21:47.80
that had never appeared
on the battlefield before.
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These guys invented and used
gunpowder for the first time
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and that's what we see
here with the fire and the smoke
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and the brimstone which
issued out of their mouths,
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because as they would ride
forth in these armored horses,
00:21:56.98\00:21:59.68
now, this is hundreds
of years after their...
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after their initial appearance
on the scene of history
00:22:01.72\00:22:05.39
they're using guns and
they're shooting those guns
00:22:05.42\00:22:09.02
in the front... as they're going
so it looks like the... the...
00:22:09.06\00:22:12.13
the fire and the
smoke and the brimstone
00:22:12.16\00:22:14.03
is coming out of
the mouth of the horses
00:22:14.06\00:22:16.10
which look like lions
00:22:16.13\00:22:18.10
because they've got
all this breastplate on
00:22:18.13\00:22:19.87
and they'd made to look
ferocious... and I wish...
00:22:19.93\00:22:22.80
I mean, I've got
some pictures of this
00:22:22.84\00:22:24.37
but we don't have
them on the Set here
00:22:24.44\00:22:26.81
but... so... but
notice... the point is...
00:22:26.84\00:22:29.14
is that, "I gave her space
to repent and she didn't repent"
00:22:29.18\00:22:32.18
and what did God
want her to repent of?
00:22:32.21\00:22:34.45
Worshipping idols... worshipping
idols of gold and silver
00:22:34.48\00:22:38.52
and wood... idol
worship was the very reason
00:22:38.55\00:22:41.06
why the Muslims were
raised up in the first place,
00:22:41.09\00:22:42.96
they're raised up
to... in their minds...
00:22:42.99\00:22:46.46
to cleanse the
apostasy of idol worship
00:22:46.49\00:22:49.26
that had come in
among the believers
00:22:49.30\00:22:51.97
and that's why
they didn't touch people
00:22:52.03\00:22:53.57
who worshipped God,
who had the seal of God
00:22:53.60\00:22:55.64
and worshipped God
without worshipping idols,
00:22:55.67\00:22:57.01
there was a distinction
made between those two groups
00:22:57.04\00:23:00.58
and that's what we
see at the very beginning
00:23:00.61\00:23:02.41
and sure it comes out
right here toward the very end
00:23:02.44\00:23:04.21
so, we see the same thing with
00:23:04.25\00:23:07.02
Nebuchadnezzar
and this locust army,
00:23:07.08\00:23:08.62
what does he do when
he goes into Jerusalem?
00:23:08.65\00:23:11.65
He takes Daniel and his
friends who are faithful to God
00:23:11.69\00:23:14.56
and he brings them into Babylon
00:23:14.59\00:23:16.62
and then as Daniel and his
friends remain faithful to God,
00:23:16.69\00:23:19.79
they're protected and
they actually end up being
00:23:19.86\00:23:22.83
put in positions of trust
and positions of authority
00:23:22.86\00:23:25.73
you see, so, so we
see the same principles...
00:23:25.77\00:23:28.44
God is taking
the same principles
00:23:28.47\00:23:29.84
from the Old Testament,
from the Book of Daniel
00:23:29.87\00:23:32.27
which also
includes the Book of Joel
00:23:32.31\00:23:33.94
and the Book of
Jeremiah and the Book of Ezekiel
00:23:33.98\00:23:35.78
and the Book of Isaiah
because all those books
00:23:35.81\00:23:38.38
Isaiah, Jeremiah,
Ezekiel... all prophesied
00:23:38.41\00:23:40.95
of this coming Locust Army,
00:23:40.98\00:23:43.02
Babylonians that were going to
chastise and judge God's people
00:23:43.08\00:23:46.35
and then the
details show us in Jeremiah
00:23:46.39\00:23:48.59
that they protected
those who were faithful.
00:23:48.62\00:23:50.76
The same thing
is happening here...
00:23:50.79\00:23:52.13
same exact repeat of history...
00:23:52.16\00:23:53.90
only, this is happening in
the context of the Dark Ages,
00:23:53.93\00:23:56.80
in the context of modern history
00:23:56.83\00:23:59.40
as opposed to the
Old Testament history.
00:23:59.43\00:24:00.90
So, we're just seeing the
cycles repeat and enlarge,
00:24:00.94\00:24:03.17
is there anything
new under the sun?
00:24:03.20\00:24:04.54
No, nothing new under the sun,
00:24:04.57\00:24:05.91
we're seeing the same cycles
run through them all over again.
00:24:05.94\00:24:08.34
Ivor: I think it's
important to point out also that
00:24:08.38\00:24:11.01
this is the same army
from under the 5th trumpet
00:24:11.05\00:24:13.92
okay, so, you look at
the descriptions there,
00:24:13.95\00:24:16.65
they're pretty much
the same so, it's not like
00:24:16.69\00:24:19.35
this is... under the 6th
trumpet this is a new army...
00:24:19.39\00:24:22.26
no, it's really... it's
the same army of horses,
00:24:22.29\00:24:25.56
same power that
we're dealing with
00:24:25.59\00:24:28.20
but the distinction is
that under the fifth trumpet
00:24:28.23\00:24:31.27
they only hurt
men, tormented men,
00:24:31.30\00:24:34.74
these... these...
00:24:34.77\00:24:36.67
they would raid and
then go back raid and go back
00:24:36.71\00:24:39.61
under the 6th trumpet
they actually take over
00:24:39.64\00:24:42.48
and they set up camp like,
basically in the midst of the
00:24:42.51\00:24:48.05
Eastern Roman Empire
and now, everyone's like,
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"Oh, man, are they going
to, like, invade all of Europe?
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Is this what's going to happen?"
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So, one of the things that we...
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actually, I don't know remember
if we pointed out or not...
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but when
Constantinople became Istanbul,
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it became a bulwark
of... a haven, if you will,
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for Protestants and Jews
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and anyone who was being
persecuted by the Papacy.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
James: It was a safe haven.
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Ivor: It was a safe haven
and so again it's interesting...
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Yvonne: It was a refuge?
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Ivor: It was a City
of Refuge, if you will
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and... and again we
point to the fact that
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what God is doing
by using this Power,
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is... He's actually turning the
Papacy's own weapon upon itself
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there's a very interesting...
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in Revelation
13, I believe it is
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and we will get there soon...
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James: 8, 9 and 10,
yeah. Ivor: but it talks about,
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"he that kills with a sword,
must be killed with a sword. "
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"He that leads into captivity
must go into captivity. "
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What the... when
we put this together,
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the trumpets number
3 and 4... spiritual...
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revealing the weakness of this
spiritual aspect of the Papacy.
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These doctrines are
unbiblical, they're unsound
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Trumpets number 5
and 6... military...
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remember, what is the Papacy?
It is a religio-political power
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and trumpets
number 3, 4, 5 and 6
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weaken the Papacy both
spiritually and militarily
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in the eyes of Europe
and as a result of this,
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we have... what
we'll see in Revelation 11
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as the French Revolution
which occurs just before 1798.
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All these things worked together
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to help bring
about the wounding...
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the deadly wound
of the Papacy in 1798.
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James: Really good Ivor
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and I love the way you
summarized all of this,
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so, and just to, to add a little
bit more to the Revelation 11
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that you've kind
of introduced us to,
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so, Revelation 11...
God actually tells us
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why this is
significant in Revelation 10,
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"it has to do with my people...
it has to do with my people"
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then it's... as
though He goes backwards,
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the reason why in
Revelation 11 we deal with...
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we go back, in a
sense, to the Dark Ages
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and then... is to set the
stage for the rise of Atheism,
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how did... where
did Atheism come?
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Guess where Atheism came out of?
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Jason and Yvonne: Where?
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James: The same bottomless
pit that Islam came out of
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because it says,
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"the beast ascends out
of the bottomless pit. "
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it says, the same darkness...
the same absence of God's Spirit
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the same desolation and chaos
that led to the rise of Islam,
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also leads to the
rise of Atheism...
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mispresenting God...
the absence of God...
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the Dark Ages leads
to these two Powers,
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one comes up to chastise,
to take out the idol worship,
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the other comes up as a response
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to this misrepresentation
of God's character
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it's really interesting.
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Ivor: Its own...
its own technique,
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its own tactics... turn upon it.
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James: Yes.
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Ivor: That's what
the trumpet is about.
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James: That's
basically what that is about.
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Well, we've run out of
time again... but it's all good
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because I think
we've done justice to this,
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we've summarized
it, we're good to go,
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we're going to move
into Revelation 10 next.
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Yvonne: Yea...
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