We have been moving through
the most challenging part
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of the Book of Revelation, I
just want to remind us of that
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not to get us
nervous or anything
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but just to help us and
encourage us... that if we're
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having some difficulties
here, there's a reason for it.
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There's a lot of difference
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in the interpretation
of these verses...
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going through...
even Historicism,
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there are a lot of
different takes on this
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and we're moving through an
interpretation that lines up
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with what we've seen
in the prophetic cycles.
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So we've looked at it from
the perspective of the Dark Ages
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and I want us to just
review a couple of those points
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that we made in our last program
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as we start... first we'll
start with a word of prayer
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and then we'll
review a couple of points...
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look at a couple of key verses,
then we'll move right into
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the 6th trumpet or
the 2nd woe same thing...
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6th trumpet... 2nd woe...
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all right, who
wants to pray for us?
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Yvonne: I'll pray...
James: Thanks, Yvonne.
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Yvonne: "Father, we
thank you so very much
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for bringing us together
again to study your Word
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and to bring its precious truths
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so now we just ask for your
Holy Spirit to lead and guide us
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and thank you so much,
Lord God, for our Viewers,
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please continue to bless
them in their study as well,
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in Jesus' name. Amen. "
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All: "Amen... "
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James: All right,
leading up to verse 1
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of chapter 9 of Revelation,
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I'm just going to read it here,
"And the fifth angel sounded
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and I saw a star fall
from heaven unto the earth:
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and to him was given the
key of the bottomless pit. "
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Leading up to this, we have seen
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the light obliterated,
we've seen this fallen angel
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in the third trumpet
coming in like a lamp
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and obscuring the
light of the heavens,
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obscuring the sun
and the night... light...
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and seeking to
counterfeit if you will
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the truth of the gospel
and so verse 1 of chapter 9
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is kind of a
summary, if you will...
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this power... this angel...
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is given the key of
the bottomless pit...
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now there are a couple
of verses we want to look at
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the first one is Genesis chapter
1 verses 1 and 2, if you could,
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Jason, could you look at
those for us and read it for us?
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Jason: Sure, "In the
beginning God created
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the heaven and the earth.
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And the earth was
without form, and void;
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and darkness was
upon the face of the deep.
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And the Spirit of God moved
upon the face of the waters. "
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James: All
right, in the beginning
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when God created the
heavens and the earth,
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darkness was upon
the face of the deep
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and that word, "deep"
is abuss... or abussos,
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it's the same word that is used
here in Revelation chapter 9...
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when it says, "bottomless"
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the bottomless pit
the abussos... the deep...
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so, in Genesis chapter 1,
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before the Spirit of
God moves on the waters,
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before the spirit of
God moves on the earth,
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the earth is
abussos... abyss... it's dark...
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there's no Spirit
of God hovering...
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there's darkness everywhere
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so we're talking
about the Dark Ages,
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so God is borrowing
that terminology from Genesis
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to describe what's taking
place here in this time...
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in earth's history... it's
dark... there's darkness...
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it's the Dark Ages... and
the Spirit of God is not there,
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the Spirit of God is withdrawn
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the Spirit of God
isn't working right now
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because of the darkness
that's come upon the earth.
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Ivor: There is... there's
chaos. James: There's chaos...
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Ivor: It
describes a period of chaos
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and you need to
look at Revelation 20
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and we were talking
about this a little bit earlier
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in Revelation 20,
the Bible describes
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Satan being cast
into the abyss...
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and what we'll see
when we get to Revelation 20
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is that... that abyss
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is a description of the
earth in a chaotic state
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so in Revelation
20, it's literal...
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in the verse we're just
looking at... Revelation 9,
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it's a spiritual
chaotic... spiritual darkness...
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so that's what we're looking
at when we see this power
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it's a description
of the bottomless pit...
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it's a description of
the state of the states...
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the state of the
nations during the Dark Ages.
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James: Now, I want
us to read another verse
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and it's Isaiah 14:12...
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to see how the
nations got into this state
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Isaiah 14:12...
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Yvonne: Isaiah 14:12...
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"How art thou
fallen from heaven,
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O Lucifer, son of the morning!
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how art thou cut
down to the ground,
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which didst weaken the nations!"
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James: Okay, now,
I want you to notice
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something here
that's really significant,
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Lucifer is
identified as this fallen star
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and that's what we see
in Revelation chapter 8
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and Revelation chapter 9,
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we got the star fallen from
heaven and what is he doing?
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He's weakening the nations,
he's weakening the nations...
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that's exactly
what the symbolism is...
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that we see is taking place here
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in Revelation chapters 8 and 9,
we see a fallen star coming down
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and weakening the nations,
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now when we get to
our last prophetic cycle
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which begins in chapter 12,
the symbolism is almost dropped
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it simply says there that
Satan has come down to the earth
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having great
power, his time is short
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and he's seeking to deceive
those who dwell on the earth.
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It's just plain and simple,
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right now we've
got the symbolism
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we've got an
angel fallen from heaven
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and he's given the
key of the bottomless pit,
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we've got to figure
that out all the symbols,
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well, key represents control...
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bottomless pit is the earth
in the state it was in before
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before God moved
upon it with the Spirit...
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it was dark and without
form and void and chaotic
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and this angel represents
Satan but in Revelation 12,
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all the symbols are dropped
and it's clear... crystal clear
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Satan is there...
he's deceiving the world...
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so as we look at
these prophetic cycles,
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again, they help us,
now we're moving forward
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instead of backwards
but I wanted to move forward
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because the next one
really helps us to understand.
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Ivor: I'm just thinking about
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something as
we're talking about this
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and it is very
interesting because
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what are the two
things that are dark in here?
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It's the sun and the air...
it's the light and the air...
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remember we talked
about how the air is symbolic
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of the Holy Spirit,
you go back to Genesis...
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the earth is
without form and void
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and what is it missing?
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It's missing two things...
the Spirit... and light...
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there's the first thing
that "Let there be light... "
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the Spirit of God moved so we're
actually looking at a reversal
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it's almost like
Satan is trying to undo...
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you know what I'm
saying... what God has done,
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he's warring
against God's desire
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to bring order and harmony,
you know what I'm saying?
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So, the Dark Ages...
represent Satan saying
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"I'm trying to
weaken the nations,
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I'm trying to mess everything
up that I possibly can. "
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Jason: Hmmm...
hmmm... Ivor: Yeah.
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James: And there's a
connection there also
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because in
Genesis, we're in creation,
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and creation reminds
us of God's creative power
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and, of course, that's
connected to the Sabbath
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which is a memorial of creation
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so we're going to
see more of that develop
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as we get into our
4th prophetic cycle
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in connection with
the Sabbath and worship
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and how the whole world
is called to worship God
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or to worship Satan...
through a counterfeit system...
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so that's going to
be real interesting,
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okay, let's get right
into where we left off here
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in Revelation chapter 9
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because we're looking at
the rise of this locust army
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and just to summarize in
just a couple of sentences
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the locust army
represents the Muslims
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who were raised up...
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just like the locust
army in the Old Testament...
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Nebuchadnezzar... raised up to
chastise God's apostate people
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and as the Muslims come in...
as Nebuchadnezzar came in...
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they protected those
who were faithful to God
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Jeremiah was
protected by Nebuchadnezzar
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and the Muslims... it
says there in verse 4...
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hurt everyone except
those who have the seal of God
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and, of course, the seal of God
is definitely an end-time test
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we know that... but
the seal of God is also
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eternal experience that
God's people have always had
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that means we've settled into
the truth by the Holy Spirit
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and, of course, that settling
in the truth is a sealing
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that we receive from God
and in Ephesians chapter 1
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the sealing takes
place through the Holy Spirit
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and in the last days
it's especially going to be
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applicable to... I believe...
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this worship issue...
this issue of worship...
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and the Sabbath
that we'll develop more
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in our 4th prophetic cycle.
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Yvonne: Can we
review again how you came to
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the understanding
that it's the Muslims
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because I think that's a...
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a lot of people
are going to wonder
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like, how again
did you get there
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and so I'd like to
just kind of review that.
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Ivor: Let me
summarize that if we can
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and we're just
going to summarize it
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using the principles
that we've been talking here
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going through each
portion of the sevens...
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cycles of sevens...
Yvonne: Yes... yes...
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Ivor: And churches,
seals, trumpets, right... so...
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so, we're in the...
we're in the fifth trumpet
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right and we're looking
at what just came before that
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okay, so, we know that
is the Roman Catholic System
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we learn that
from church number four
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that this was a church
that are the Dark Ages...
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we know that the trumpets
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are an answer to the
prayers of the saints
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right, the
saints are praying why?
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Because they're
being persecuted.
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Yvonne: Right.
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Ivor: So... Jerusalem...
first enemy of the church...
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they fell under
the 1st trumpet...
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Rome... the second
enemy of the church...
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200... 300 A.D. they
fall at the 2nd trumpet
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the next enemy of the
church of the Papacy...
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okay, I'm
sorry... not the Papacy...
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of God's church is
the Papacy and that lasts
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all the 1,260 years...
so during this time period,
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the trumpets that
come after this...
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are all pointed
towards the papacy...
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we are looking for an army...
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which is... remember how
we talked letting prophecy
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determine the history we
had before? Yvonne: Yes...
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Ivor: So as we see this
army attacking the Papacy...
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"Man, well, did
an army attack the...
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what army attacked the
Papacy during the Dark Ages?
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Oh, there's only one
power, it's not the Chinese,
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it's not the Russians...
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it's one power and
one power only... "
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it's an inescapable conclusion
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that the army we're
looking at here is Islam.
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Yvonne: Wow!
that's good thank you.
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James: Then what we
did was we just looked at
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some of the characteristics
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so we looked at... and
I've got a list on here
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and I'm just going to go
through them real quickly
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because I think it will be
helpful as we go through this.
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Yvonne: Yeah, while
you're looking, I mean,
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I just think this is so good
because people are going to say,
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"How did we get there?"
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And... because they
don't see the actual Word
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so, how did we get there?
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And so, what you guys
are doing is just a blessing.
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James: Yeah and
it's... it's... a lot of times,
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the Bible is very explicit
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in how it
identifies a specific power
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in Daniel, for example,
it will talk about a he-goat
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and a ram and then
at the end it says,
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"You know, that was Medo-Persia
and that was Grecia... "
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but in other
times... like in Daniel 7,
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it doesn't
actually identify the power
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that's described
there as the "little horn"
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it doesn't identify it by name
but it gives characteristics
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so, we're sitting
at the table right now
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and the
characteristics that God gives
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to try to identify
would be like me saying,
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"Okay, one of us... sitting
at this table has a tie on"
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and so far you've nailed
that down to three people
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and you're
excluded, okay. Yvonne: Right.
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James: Okay, "The same
person that has a tie on
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has blue in the tie... "
and now we've just excluded me
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"and that same
person that has a tie
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and has blue in
the tie is black...
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and has a mustache... "
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now I haven't limited these two
yet... you see what I'm saying?
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"And is nice
looking and young... "
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Jason: Oh, thank
you... thank you...
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James: "And has a girlfriend. "
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James: "Who he
considers to be his wife... "
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Yvonne: Oh...
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James: Okay, see so, this is how
we're looking at the timeframe
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we've looked...
all of that's there...
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and then we have
these characteristics
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and so, one of the
characteristics is,
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"They torment for five months"
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prophetically
speaking, that's 150 years.
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When we look at the
history of the Muslims,
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we look at these
attacks... these incursions...
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into the Eastern Roman Empire,
where they go in and they leave,
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they go in and they leave...
and it was tormenting because
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they would take
out the livestock
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and wreak havoc everywhere
and then they would leave,
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and the people would
start all over again...
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and they start all over again.
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Ivor: That 150-year period,
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30 days in a
month times 5 months...
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one day equals a year... and
that's how we get the 150 years
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from that
five-month period, right,
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when it says five months, yeah.
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Yvonne: Oh...
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James: And so,
they would torment
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and men would want to
die but they couldn't die
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because their life
was just like... so futile
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in just working
and developing...
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can you imagine you
work for 10 to 20 years
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and you buy a
house and you start...
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and then the economy
flops and you lose everything,
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then you start all over again,
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well, that's what happened with
these incursions of the Muslims
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they come in and they take out
everything and then they leave
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and then they'd have
to start all over again.
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And then another indication
here was... it says...
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that they were
riding horses... horses...
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they were like horses
riding the battle with...
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that was the chief
weapon of the Muslims,
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they would come
in on those horses,
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Kooh... they'd go in...
and kooh... they'd go out...
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that was their chief
weapon... and then it says
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they had crowns of
gold and these were
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the turbans that they would wear
that would shine in the sunshine
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they had these golden turbans
and they had hair like women
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well, these turbans were
wrapped around their heads
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and they would hang
down and they would look like
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the hair of a
woman and then it says,
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"They had breastplates
of iron" well the horses...
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they would clad them
with these iron breastplates
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they would have their heads
covered and they'd armor them up
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so they were
protected and then it says,
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the sound of their wings
was the sound of many horses
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running the battle
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and then it goes on
to say that they had...
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let's see what
else... "A king over them... "
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and so... at some point...
and we're getting into our...
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our sixth trumpet
right now, at some point,
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they all organized
together under one Leader
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and became the
Ottoman Empire under Othman,
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they became the Ottoman Empire
so all of the characteristics
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that we're seeing through here
in addition to the timeframe,
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add weight... so we say...
"Okay, I guess the guy with the
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with the tie... that's
blue... that's nice looking...
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and is young
and has a girlfriend
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that is actually his
wife... is Ivor... after all...
00:14:49.42\00:14:52.65
and a mustache. "
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Jason: Congratulations...
Ivor: Girlfriend...
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Yvonne: A perennial
girlfriend, right...
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Ivor: Let me add
something here, James,
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just to... kind of
like... bring this together...
00:15:01.83\00:15:04.10
we may ask, "Well, why is...
why is this history important?"
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Right, okay, so you
have Islam attacking...
00:15:10.34\00:15:13.38
making these
raids... what was happening is
00:15:13.41\00:15:17.05
as Islam is attacking
the Eastern Roman Empire,
00:15:17.11\00:15:20.65
they are calling out
for help from guess who?
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The Papacy... right...
so Papacy, in the meantime,
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their war is
against... guess who?
00:15:29.42\00:15:32.03
The Protestant Reformation
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but now they have to
go and help Eastern Rome,
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they're sending...
00:15:39.43\00:15:40.77
these Crusades were
about sending warriors...
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those who would
fight to help Eastern Rome
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from these Islamic invasions
00:15:47.14\00:15:49.18
so their attention is
now being diverted, okay,
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now, I'm going
to have them turn to
00:15:53.28\00:15:56.48
Revelation 12 because
we're just going to...
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I just want to read
these two verses very quickly
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and kind of show you the
context of what's going on here
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in Revelation 12 verse 15,
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could you read
verse 15 and verse...
00:16:05.29\00:16:08.90
actually, you know
what? Verse 14 to verse 16.
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Yvonne: "And to the
woman were given two wings
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of a great eagle, that she
might fly into the wilderness,
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into her place, where
she is nourished for a time,
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and times, and half a time,
from the face of the serpent. "
00:16:20.84\00:16:23.85
Ivor: Okay, pause right there,
00:16:23.88\00:16:25.21
so the woman... we
know... represents the church,
00:16:25.25\00:16:28.98
the time times and a half
represents the 1,260 years
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she's gone into the wilderness
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where she's
trying to be protected
00:16:34.96\00:16:37.59
from the face of the serpent,
00:16:37.63\00:16:38.96
okay, we know the
serpent is the dragon,
00:16:38.99\00:16:40.83
all right now, next verse.
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Yvonne: "And the
serpent cast out of his mouth,
00:16:42.36\00:16:44.80
water as a
flood after the woman,
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that he might cause her to
be carried away of the flood. "
00:16:46.84\00:16:49.74
Ivor: Okay, so, in the
Bible water or flood would...
00:16:49.77\00:16:54.44
water represents peoples,
nations, multitudes and tongues,
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Satan is
casting out of his mouth
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peoples, nations, multitudes
and tongues after the church
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okay, in other words,
he's trying to destroy her
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and he's using
military power, right,
00:17:07.12\00:17:09.46
he's using the...
he's using the nations
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because remember,
he's ruling over the...
00:17:11.69\00:17:13.53
the Papacy is
ruling over the nations
00:17:13.56\00:17:15.33
so they're using these
nations, military might
00:17:15.36\00:17:18.23
to try to destroy
the Protestant Movement.
00:17:18.30\00:17:21.10
James: And specifically
the flood in Isaiah 59
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represents the enemy...
00:17:23.17\00:17:24.51
when the enemy
shall come in like a flood
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so it's the enemy
of God's people...
00:17:26.74\00:17:28.78
Ivor: Absolutely...
so here you have them
00:17:28.84\00:17:31.08
diverting the... you know...
trying to destroy the woman
00:17:31.11\00:17:34.62
but look at verse 16.
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Yvonne: "And the
earth helped the woman,
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and the earth opened her mouth,
and swallowed up the flood
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which the dragon
cast out of his mouth. "
00:17:41.56\00:17:43.53
Ivor: Okay, so,
remember what we just talked...
00:17:43.56\00:17:45.23
what did we open
the program with?
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James: The Abyss...
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Ivor: The Abyss... what is that?
00:17:48.66\00:17:50.03
It's the earth before it
was... in darkness... right...
00:17:50.07\00:17:55.07
here, the Bible
is telling us that
00:17:55.10\00:17:57.14
the earth opened up its
mouth and when it does that
00:17:57.17\00:18:01.88
this event helps the woman
by swallowing up the flood.
00:18:01.94\00:18:06.61
In Revelation 9,
what do we see happening?
00:18:06.65\00:18:10.39
The earth opens her
mouth, Islam comes out
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and guess what?
00:18:14.19\00:18:15.52
The rise of Islam
diverts the flood...
00:18:15.56\00:18:19.96
"Oh man, we got to go
deal with this power... "
00:18:20.00\00:18:23.60
and that diverting of
the flood helps the woman...
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gives her time to grow...
gives her time to be nourished
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this is what we
have happening here
00:18:33.88\00:18:35.61
so even though it looks like
Islam is rising up and like,
00:18:35.64\00:18:38.68
"Oh man, this is
an evil, wicked power"
00:18:38.71\00:18:40.78
remember God is using this power
00:18:40.82\00:18:42.78
to divert the
attention of the Papacy
00:18:42.85\00:18:45.42
to answer the
prayers of the saints...
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Which is the
purpose of the trumpet.
00:18:49.42\00:18:50.76
Where is all this
folding at? The Altar of Incense
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the saints are praying,
00:18:54.46\00:18:56.53
"Lord, you've got
to finish the work,
00:18:56.56\00:18:57.93
you've got to
finish the work... "
00:18:58.00\00:18:59.33
God says, "We're
going to blow a trumpet,
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we'll then get these people...
00:19:01.47\00:19:02.80
we're going to
get my people moving
00:19:02.84\00:19:04.94
and we're going to help them
to accomplish their mission. "
00:19:04.97\00:19:08.38
Yvonne: Wow!
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:19:08.44\00:19:09.78
Ivor: Okay, so that kind of
gives again, the big picture of,
00:19:09.81\00:19:13.92
"Okay, this is what's going on,
00:19:13.95\00:19:15.28
this is why this
history is important. "
00:19:15.32\00:19:17.35
Yvonne: Right... right...
00:19:17.39\00:19:18.72
it's so amazing to me because
you can check with history
00:19:18.75\00:19:23.79
and see what happened
at this particular point
00:19:23.83\00:19:28.36
and then that
corroborates with the Word.
00:19:28.40\00:19:30.37
Ivor: Absolutely.
00:19:30.40\00:19:32.17
James: Yes, and
that's what we want to do.
00:19:32.20\00:19:34.07
We want to let the Word,
in Bible prophecy, especially,
00:19:34.10\00:19:37.67
interpret itself...
and so we go to the Bible
00:19:37.71\00:19:39.81
and we look at, "What
does the bottomless pit mean,
00:19:39.84\00:19:41.34
what's this fallen
star... what is...?"
00:19:41.41\00:19:42.98
and then...
"What are the locusts?
00:19:43.01\00:19:44.55
How does God use
those before... "
00:19:44.58\00:19:46.05
so when we go into the Bible
especially the Old Testament
00:19:46.08\00:19:48.65
and look for the typology
and look for the symbolism
00:19:48.68\00:19:50.65
and then we apply it...
00:19:50.69\00:19:52.25
then we want to see
if history confirms that.
00:19:52.29\00:19:54.36
Does history confirm
what we just figured out here?
00:19:54.39\00:19:56.22
Yvonne: Right.
00:19:56.29\00:19:57.63
James: Was there an
army that came against the...
00:19:57.66\00:19:59.23
during the Dark
Ages... and actually helped?
00:19:59.26\00:20:01.03
Yes, there was an army
that came against the Papacy
00:20:01.06\00:20:03.80
during the Dark
Ages and actually
00:20:03.83\00:20:05.17
it was like a Locust Army
with horses and breastplates
00:20:05.20\00:20:07.80
and it actually
helped... it actually relieved
00:20:07.84\00:20:10.21
the persecution that
came against the woman
00:20:10.24\00:20:12.57
and the Reformation was able
to grow because of that army.
00:20:12.61\00:20:14.64
Ivor: And another
thing, the crucial thing
00:20:14.68\00:20:17.58
is understanding
the context of the story
00:20:17.61\00:20:20.45
because, again, if we said,
00:20:20.48\00:20:22.12
"No, this 5th trumpet
is something else... "
00:20:22.15\00:20:24.12
it's, you know, "the bombing
of the World Trade Center"
00:20:24.15\00:20:28.69
it will be
like... "I'm just... "
00:20:28.72\00:20:31.19
"How would that fit
into the big picture?
00:20:31.23\00:20:34.76
How would that
fit into the context
00:20:34.80\00:20:36.16
of the time
period we're looking at?"
00:20:36.20\00:20:37.53
The reason why these...
the things we've been doing
00:20:37.57\00:20:40.30
to kind of set all
this up is so important
00:20:40.34\00:20:42.40
is because, you
begin to see everything
00:20:42.44\00:20:44.47
fall into place in context.
00:20:44.51\00:20:46.07
You understand the,
"Why" it's not just,
00:20:46.11\00:20:48.84
"Oh okay, this represents
an invasion of Islam... "
00:20:48.88\00:20:52.61
there's a "why" to it... and
when we can begin to understand
00:20:52.65\00:20:55.68
the "whys"
everything begins to make sense,
00:20:55.72\00:20:58.82
it's easier to look
and understand and read
00:20:58.85\00:21:01.92
and see it in the
context of the bigger picture.
00:21:01.96\00:21:04.26
James: That's really important,
all right, let's get into it,
00:21:04.33\00:21:07.20
Revelation
chapter... not 12... not 11...
00:21:07.23\00:21:10.87
though 11 is going to have some
interesting points in it too,
00:21:10.90\00:21:13.34
the timeliness... we're
looking at Revelation chapter 9,
00:21:13.37\00:21:15.70
let's just start reading here,
00:21:15.74\00:21:17.07
Jason, you want to read
for us Revelation chapter 9
00:21:17.11\00:21:20.41
and verses 12, 13,
14... yeah, 12 through 14.
00:21:20.44\00:21:28.78
Ivor: James, do you want
to touch on the five months,
00:21:28.82\00:21:31.42
the beginning time and...
00:21:31.45\00:21:32.79
because I don't
think we touched on that...
00:21:32.82\00:21:34.16
the five months or
do you want to wait
00:21:34.19\00:21:36.06
and connect it with...
00:21:36.09\00:21:37.43
we didn't touch on the starting
point of the five months
00:21:37.46\00:21:41.86
and the ending point.
00:21:41.90\00:21:43.23
James: Yeah, you're
right, that's a good question,
00:21:43.26\00:21:45.97
we should probably touch on that
00:21:46.00\00:21:47.97
but let's do that as
we get in this time period
00:21:48.00\00:21:50.11
in verse 15.
Ivor: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:21:50.14\00:21:51.47
James: We'll start with the
introduction to the first...
00:21:51.51\00:21:52.84
and second woe
00:21:52.87\00:21:54.21
and then we'll get into
this as we hit the time...
00:21:54.24\00:21:55.88
then second time point.
00:21:55.91\00:21:57.25
Jason: All right,
starting on verse 12,
00:21:57.28\00:21:59.91
chapter 9, "One woe is past;
00:21:59.95\00:22:03.02
and, behold, there come
two woes more hereafter.
00:22:03.08\00:22:05.95
And the sixth angel sounded,
00:22:05.99\00:22:07.82
and I heard a voice from the
four horns of the golden altar
00:22:07.86\00:22:10.76
which is before God,
00:22:10.79\00:22:12.13
Saying to the sixth
angel which had the trumpet,
00:22:12.16\00:22:15.53
Loose the four
angels which are bound
00:22:15.56\00:22:17.77
in the great river Euphrates. "
00:22:17.80\00:22:19.40
James: Okay, now, oh, and let's
read verse 15, sorry Jason.
00:22:19.43\00:22:23.41
Jason: Okay, "And the
four angels were loosed,
00:22:23.44\00:22:25.74
which were prepared
for an hour, and a day,
00:22:25.77\00:22:28.04
and a month, and a year, for
to slay the third part of men. "
00:22:28.08\00:22:31.51
James: All
right, now, in this...
00:22:31.55\00:22:33.45
Jason: There's
that "third" again.
00:22:33.48\00:22:35.02
James: There's
that "third" again
00:22:35.05\00:22:36.38
and in this second woe,
00:22:36.42\00:22:37.99
we're
introduced to a time period
00:22:38.02\00:22:39.95
and this time period
can either be punctiliar...
00:22:39.99\00:22:43.63
that is... a point in time...
a day, an hour, a month, a year
00:22:43.66\00:22:47.23
a date in time or
it can be cumulative,
00:22:47.30\00:22:49.63
in other words,
we're taking all of those
00:22:49.66\00:22:52.10
little phrases and
we're adding them together
00:22:52.13\00:22:54.04
and coming up
with a time prophecy.
00:22:54.07\00:22:55.54
Now, either one of those is
interpreted by many scholars
00:22:55.57\00:23:00.94
for hundreds of years the
Historicist's position has been
00:23:00.98\00:23:06.28
that it's cumulative...
00:23:06.31\00:23:07.65
and that's the
position we're going to take.
00:23:07.68\00:23:09.02
but there are many voices
that say, "It's punctiliar"
00:23:09.05\00:23:12.49
in other words...
it's a time in history...
00:23:12.52\00:23:14.42
it's a place in history...
00:23:14.49\00:23:15.82
now, there's good
reason for both interpretations
00:23:15.86\00:23:20.03
and I don't want us to go
into all of the detail of that
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for those who are
viewing the Program,
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we'll put it in the notes,
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we'll have it
available in the notes
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but what we want to
do is, we want to see
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if the cumulative
interpretation actually fits
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with events that
took place in history,
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we're going to do the
same thing we've been doing,
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we're going to look at
how the Bible interprets this
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and then we're going to
see if it fits in history
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and the first
thing we want to note
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in relation to the
Bible interpretation
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before you get
into the 150 and...
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is, we want to note this
phrase which is in verse 13
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because as soon as the
second woe was introduced,
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the first woe is passed...
the second woe is introduced...
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it says that the
sixth angel sounds
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and there's a voice from the
four horns of the golden altar
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now that tells us
something significant,
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if we're following
the Sanctuary symbolism,
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the four horns of the
golden altar... is Holy Place.
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Yvonne: Right.
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James: That means, that in
the sequence of this history,
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we are still in the
Holy-Place ministry of Christ
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which is pre-1844 so
we're still before 1844
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which is perfect for us
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because so far, that's
what we've established.
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We've established that
this rising up of this...
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of this locust army
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is all taking place
during the Dark Ages.
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So, now what we want to do is,
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we want to go into the
history of the Dark Ages
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and we want to
find out, was there...
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were there specific dates
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that relate to the
rising up of this power
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and its incursion into
the Eastern Roman Empire
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as well as...
it's ability to come in
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and bring death and
destruction to this Empire
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and indeed there was so
we go back to the five months
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we find that the
day-for-a-year principle
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30 days
Biblically for a month...
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150 years... a day for a
year 150 days... 150 years,
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we see a beginning
date of July 27, 1299
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now, July 27, 1299
is the time when we see
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these Muslim
powers coming together
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with a king over them and
starting to have an offensive
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against the Eastern
Empire, they've been going in...
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they've been
going in here and there
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but now they've united...
they have a king over them
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and that's what we
read here in verse 11,
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"they had a king over them
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which is the angel
of the bottomless pit
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whose name in the
Hebrew is Abaddon,
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but in the Greek
tongue his name is...
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he has his name Apollyon. "
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And that word in Greek
and Hebrew simply means,
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"the destroyer...
the destroyer... "
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and again, we talked about how
Satan is weakening the nations,
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Jesus says in John 10:10,
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that he came to do nothing
but to kill and to destroy.
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There are three words there...
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Ivor: Kill, steal and destroy.
James: Kill, steal and destroy.
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He's stealing God's property,
he's stealing this earth,
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stealing the nations...
killing and destroying.
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So, behind the
scenes, Satan is working...
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he's working through
every particular nation
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that he can... and his
ultimate goal is to destroy.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: Okay, and so
they unite together...
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they're coming in
force... but then...
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at 150 years from July 27, 1299
it brings us to July 27, 1449
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and what happens in
the Eastern Roman Empire
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is John Palaiologos
ascends to the throne
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but only with the
consent of the Muslim Emperor,
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so he says, "I need your
consent to ascend to the throne
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of the Eastern Roman Empire...
" now, you've got to understand,
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he's in Muslim
territory, almost,
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there's a wall there,
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Constantinople is like
the last city that is just
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a stronghold against the Muslims
and so he's asking for consent
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in other words, he's
actually in a sense...
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submitting himself to
this power and its protection
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and so that history
and those historic events
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give us a timeframe for
the beginning and the ending
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of this prophetic period,
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we're running
out of time right now
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so, what we're going to do
is, we're going to pick this up
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review it a
little bit and pick it up
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and really get into it,
you know, as we get back.
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Yvonne: It's a cliffhanger...
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James: Yes, it's a cliffhanger
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so we'll
continue, it's good stuff.
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Jason, tell us
what we need to do
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if people want to get ahold of
this program and ask questions.
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Jason: Well, if they
want to ask questions,
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they can send their
questions to sss@3abn. org
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James: All right, so
we'll look forward to questions.
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Yvonne: And
there are going to be
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Study Guides available as well.
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James: Yes, we want to
have Study Guides... good deal
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all right, so we'll
get right back into this
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in our next lesson.
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