We are still there,
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we're still in the
toughest section of Revelation,
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you know that... I mean
I said 8 but I meant 8-9.
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Yvonne: Why do you feel like
this is the toughest section?
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James: Well,
it's highly symbolic
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so you've got intense symbolism
all through these verses
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and it's almost
impossible to take it literally
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because we tried to
figure it out literally
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it's just like...
like we're getting into...
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we're going to get
into locusts and smoke and
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scorpion tails
and this is just...
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you can't take that literally
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and just like in
these last verses,
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blood and hail and fire mingled
with smoke and bitterness
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and it's... it's too
much to take literally
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so you have to go back to
the Bible and see the symbolism
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and then it kind of opens up.
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Ivor: I'm going to say this,
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I remember, before
I became a Christian,
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I think I accidentally
may have read this chapter
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and I closed the
Book and I was like,
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"No thank you,
it's not for me. "
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James: Exactly.
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Ivor: Yeah, scorpions with what?
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I mean, like, locusts with what?
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James: Yeah...
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Ivor: "Let's just
hope this is not true. "
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James: It's Sci-Fi
and that's the thing about
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Revelation that I
think is really cool.
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The Book of Revelation
has a little bit of everything
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that would draw the attention
of every human on Planet Earth.
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It has Sci-Fi...
it has romance...
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we talked about this,
it has action, adventure,
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hero, love story,
all of those themes
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are packed into this Book
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and discovering what all
that means is an adventure,
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now, I'm not sure that
everyone's up to that adventure
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but I think at
some point or another
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we owe it to ourselves
to take that adventure.
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Every single person on Planet
Earth owes it to themselves
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to step into the
Book of Revelation
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and experience the
adventure of discovery
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of Bible prophecy...
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and I'd love to see
this program be part of...
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of encouraging people to do that
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so that's really
exciting, well let's start
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with a word of prayer...
who would like to pray for us?
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Yvonne: Yeah, I'll pray...
All right, thank you Yvonne.
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Yvonne: "Father, thank
you so very much, once again,
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for being with us
and guiding us Lord
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we just pray for wisdom,
we pray for your guidance
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and we thank you, Lord, that
you've promised to be with us
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so, please bless everyone at
this table and everyone watching
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help us all, Lord God,
to continue to seek you
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with all our hearts,
in Jesus' name, amen. "
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All: "Amen... "
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James: All right
Jason, you've got the verse
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and we're going to start with
Revelation chapter 9 and verse 1
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we're just going to
start with verse 1...
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and just kind of open that up.
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Jason: Okay, "And
the fifth angel sounded,
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and I saw a star fall
from heaven unto the earth:
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and to him was given the
key of the bottomless pit. "
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James: All right Ivor,
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what have we got
here, what's going on?
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Ivor: So... this is a... again
we said this chapter is like
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super, super...
like... difficult.
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James: That's why
I handed it to you.
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Ivor: Thank you... and yet...
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one of the things that
we... that we have discussed
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time and time
again... is this...
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the principle we've laid
out in the Book of Revelation
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that as we learn
to look at patterns
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and step back and say,
"Okay, what are we looking for?"
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We have a better idea
of what we're looking for
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because we're allowing prophecy
to determine the history
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that we're looking
for, right, and so...
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this fifth trumpet...
actually I'm going to read
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on a little bit... just
a couple of verses randomly
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so you can see what we
have going on, verse 2,
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"And he opened
the bottomless pit;
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and there arose a
smoke out of the pit,
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and the smoke of a... as
the smoke of a great furnace;
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and the sun and
the air were darkened
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by reason of the
smoke of the pit. "
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In verse 3 it talks about
locusts coming upon the earth
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in verse 5... "that
they should not... "
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it says, "And to
them it was given
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that they should not kill them,
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but they should be
tormented five months:
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and their torment was as
the torment of a scorpion,
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when he striketh a man. "
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Okay, what in the
world are we looking for?
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Well, before we even
go there, let's step back,
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right, let's ask
ourselves a question
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all right, we
learned that a trumpet
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represents three things,
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number one... God's
people going forward,
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number two... the
enemies of God's people
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being removed...
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and number
three... the enemy's sword
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being turned upon itself.
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In other words, "What you did...
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what you have
done to my people...
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I'm going to have
that done unto you. "
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It's a very
interesting principle because
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even when we get to
the... to the "deadly wound"
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we're going to see... a very...
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it's a unique verse... it says,
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"he that killeth with a sword,
must be killed with a sword. "
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in other words... "what
you do, comes back to you"
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and that's what
we're going to see
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one of the things
happening in this 5th trumpet
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but there is
something else I want to look at
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the first... the two
trumpets before this...
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what were they dealing with?
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One was bitterness... right...
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making the waters bitter
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the other was darkness...
turning the light to darkness.
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So, let's pause right
there, hold your place here,
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we're going to go to
the Book of Isaiah...
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Isaiah chapter 5
and I want you to notice
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verse 20 and 21... okay...
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verse 20 and 21... would
you read that for us, Yvonne?
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Yvonne: "Woe unto
them that call evil good,
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and good evil;
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that put darkness for
light, and light for darkness;
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that put bitter for
sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
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Ivor: Just stop
right there. Yvonne: Wow!
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Ivor: Do you see
that? Yvonne: Ah ha...
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Ivor: We just
combined two trumpets, right,
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in this one verse,
sweet for bitter...
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the light for darkness
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this is exactly
what the Papacy does
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okay, during the Dark Ages.
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All right, so, this is a
warning to those who do this,
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what is the warning?
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Because if you do
this... I want you to listen...
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go ahead and
jump down to verse 26
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and I'll read here, verse 26,
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same chapter, "He
will lift up an ensign
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to the nations from far,
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and will hiss unto them
from the end of the earth:
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and, behold, they shall
come with speed swiftly... "
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Okay, so, this
is God now saying,
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"because... " or a
warning to them that do this
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"and as a result
of you doing this
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here's what I'm going to do,
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I'm going to bring
a nation from far... "
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that's what He's
saying and look at verse 27...
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"None shall be weary
nor stumble among them;
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none shall slumber nor sleep;
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neither shall the girdle
of their loins be loosed,
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nor the latchet of
their shoes be broken:
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Whose arrows are sharp,
and all their bows bent,
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their horses' hoofs
shall be counted like flint,
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and their wheels
like a whirlwind.
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Their roaring
shall be like a lion... "
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okay, pause for a second...
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what do we just see
happen in the fifth trumpet?
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There's this army of
locusts and they are described
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like... "roaring like lions... "
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Yvonne: Hmmm... Ivor: Okay.
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James: But we didn't
read that, I don't think.
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Ivor: Do you want to read it,
I thought we had touched on it.
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James: No, we didn't touch on it
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because it's not until
we get down to verse 8.
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Ivor: So verse 8, okay,
could you read verse 8 for me?
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James: "And they had
hair as the hair of women,
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and their teeth were
as the teeth of lions. "
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Ivor: Okay, very
good, so watch this,
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under the third
and fourth trumpet,
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you have people
putting bitter for sweet,
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dark for light,
darkness for light...
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and then we go to Isaiah 5:20,
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we hear God using
this... this exact term
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"Woe unto you that do
this, because you do this,
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guess what I'm going to do,
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I'm going to send a
nation upon you... "
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and then he begins
to describe a nation,
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"They shall be
like roaring lions... "
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this nation that is just...
that's coming as a vengeance
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or as a judgment upon
those that put bitter for sweet
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and darkness for light.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
Ivor: Let's keep reading...
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look at verse 29 of Isaiah 5,
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"they shall roar
like young lions:
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yea, they shall roar,
and lay hold of the prey,
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and shall carry it away safely,
and none shall deliver it.
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And in that day they
shall roar against them
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like the roaring of the seas:
and if one look unto the land,
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behold darkness and sorrow,
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and the light is darkened
in the heavens thereof. "
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So here He's
talking about an army coming
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that would, like,
darken the lights...
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darken the light of heaven,
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He's saying, "This
is the result of turning
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darkness to
light... bitter to sweet... "
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so we go back to
the Book of Revelation
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and we simply ask
ourselves the question,
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Okay, we know the Papacy
turned light to darkness,
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we know they
turned bitterness... to...
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sweetness to bitterness
so if the trumpet represents
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an enemy... coming upon...
or an outside force coming upon
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and the sword
being turned upon them,
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if we notice...
the trumpet represents
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a punishment as a
result of their turning
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lightness to
darkness... light to darkness...
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can we look in history to see
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was there ever any army
that came against the Papacy
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as a result of their idolatry?
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And guess what the answer is?
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The answer is
obvious, absolutely...
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history shows us that it was the
Nation of Islam, if you will,
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the rise of Islam as a power...
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that actually when
they came upon the scene,
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one of their sole
purposes was to war against
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what they considered, "idolatry"
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James: Idol
worship... Ivor: Idol worship...
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so what you have
happening under this 5th trumpet
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when the fifth angel sounded,
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"And I saw a star fall
from heaven unto the earth... "
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again, we have a fallen angel,
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now, there's some question
as to whether this fallen angel
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is the same
fallen angel back in the
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3rd... 4th trumpet is it?
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James: Third...
Ivor: Third trumpet...
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but nonetheless...
it's a fallen angel,
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when this fallen angel
opens up the bottomless pit,
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smoke arises out of the pit as
well as this "army of locusts"
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and this army of
locusts is commanding...
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look at verse 4 and
we're kind of just...
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again just... kind of
looking at a big picture here,
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"It was commanded them
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that they should not
hurt the grass of the earth,
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neither any green thing,
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neither any tree;
but only those men
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which have not the seal of God
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in their
foreheads. " James: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Okay, so this is... this
power is coming upon the scene
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solely for the purpose
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of attacking those
that are not God's people.
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Okay, and who
would that represent?
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Again, that would
represent the Papal System
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that was in place at that time.
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Something very interesting
about this as we look at the...
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at this
bottomless pit opening up...
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and the smoke
comes out of the pit,
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it darkens the sun... verse 2...
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"the sun and the
air were darkened
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by reason of the
smoke of the pit. "
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Now, James, you were
sharing earlier that...
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in the previous program
that the sun represented...
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James: Christ's righteousness...
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"the Sun of
righteousness... " Malachi 4:2
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Ivor: The air...
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James: The air? Ivor: Hmmm...
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James: There are a couple of
verses that make it very clear
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that the air
represents the Holy Spirit...
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these verses are in Acts
chapter 2 verses 2 and 4...
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I'll just read them...
"And suddenly there came a sound
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from heaven as of a
rushing mighty wind,
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and it filled the whole
house where they were sitting.
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And they were filled
with the Holy Spirit. "
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So you have the
wind... Holy Spirit.
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Jason: We should also
look at John chapter 3 verse 8
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where it says, "The wind
bloweth where it listeth,
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and thou hearest
the sound thereof,
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but canst not
tell whence it commeth,
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and whither it goeth:
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so is every one that
is born of the Spirit. "
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James: Yeah, so
that's another verse...
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good one Jason, that just
kind of ties in the "wind"
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or the "air" as a representation
of the Holy Spirit.
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Ivor: Right... so... so...
look at the principle here...
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James: Spiritual darkness...
Ivor: Spiritual darkness...
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right... they're attacking...
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the Papacy... remember...
they were against the truth,
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they were against
the Sun of righteousness,
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the very thing
that... that they darkened
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under this fifth
trumpet... this power comes up
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out of the abyss...
this darkness happens...
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the smoke darkens
the sun and the air,
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now, I don't know how
much you know about Islam
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but they believe that Jesus
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who we just identified
as the Sun of righteousness,
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is a prophet but that
He is not the Son of God.
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Okay, they don't
believe in the Holy Spirit
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and what's
interesting about this is that
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the Papacy was a Church-State
entity persecuting... right...
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so what does God do?
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Okay, because you are standing
in the way of my people,
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and, and, and
trying to block them out,
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I'm going to bring
another power upon you...
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that is just like you...
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a church... because
that's what Islam is...
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it is a spiritual... it's
a religio-political entity
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that denies who Jesus
is... denies the Holy Spirit
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and so, just as we saw
in the story of Gideon...
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when the trumpet was blown,
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these enemies turned
their swords upon one another,
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here you have dark
forces, if you will,
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turning their
forces upon one another
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in Islam... coming
against the Papacy...
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now, even though we just
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said that Islam
attacked the Papacy,
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it was actually
for a good reason,
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because what we're
going to see is that,
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we're going to get
into these... in fact...
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let's go to the
Book of Joel chapter 2,
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I'm going to show
you something here
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and James, you can jump
in on this... as we read,
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I'm going to just pick up
with the first two verses here,
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James: Joel chapter
what? Ivor: Joel chapter 2
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Joel chapter 2 but...
what we're going to find
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is that Islam...
the Ottoman Empire...
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which is what
we're talking about here
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actually was a...
was a "safe haven"
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for Protestants...
when they came on the scene
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because, they had a
special... they were like,
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"Oh you guys are
against the papacy?
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Because they are idolaters...
" that's what they thought of
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the Catholic System... and
so, whoever was against it,
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they were actually...
for... in other words,
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they actually protected...
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offered
protection and a safe haven
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when many of these
people were being persecuted
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under the Roman System...
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they could actually...
even though they were...
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this was an Islamic entity...
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they found religious liberty
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under Islam... which is a
very interesting revelation.
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Yvonne: Wow...
that is interesting.
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Ivor: It's almost as
though, again God brought them
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on the scene to give breathing
space to the Protestants.
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Yvonne: Right...
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Ivor: In fact,
we're going to see
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is that... the Papacy
was trying to stamp out
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the Protestant Reformation
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and as a result of
Islam coming up on the scene,
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they had to direct
their attention to Islam
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which allowed the Protestant
Reformation time to grow...
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remember the blowing of
the trumpet... advance...
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their enemies turned
their swords upon one another,
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let's look at Joel chapter 2
and I want you to notice this,
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Joel chapter 2 verse 1,
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it says, "Blow ye
the trumpet in Zion,
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sound an alarm
in my holy mountain:
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let all the
inhabitants of the land tremble:
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for the day of the Lord cometh,
for it is nigh at hand... "
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remember we talked about how
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when Peter was speaking
on the Day of Pentecost,
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under the
inspiration of the Holy Spirit,
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he quotes Joel chapter 2,
"Blow a trumpet in Zion... "
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a warning... why?
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"a day of darkness
and gloominess... "
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a day of... what?
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"Clouds and thick darkness,
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as the morning
spread upon the mountains:
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a great people and a strong;
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there has not
been ever the like,
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neither shall there be
any more even after it,
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even to the years
of many generations.
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A fire devoureth before
them; and behind them...
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and the land is as
the garden of Eden... "
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I'm sorry... "A fire
devoureth before them;
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behind them a flame burneth:
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the land is as the
garden of Eden before them,
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and behind them a
desolate wilderness;
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and nothing shall escape them. "
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"The appearance of them... "
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and that term is
interesting right there James,
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because the appearance of them
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is almost identical to
the description of the locust
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in Revelation... "the
appearance of that... "
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James: Yeah, but
this army in chapter 1
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is actually identified
as an army of locusts.
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Ivor: That's right...
in chapter 1 verse 4...
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in the Book of Joel,
right? James: Yeah... why?
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Ivor: Joel, same book
but different chapter.
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James: Yeah, verse 4, verse 16
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and those verses identify
this as the "locust army"
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in the King James'
it's, "the palmerworm"
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and then the
"palmerworm... the locust"
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but in other verses in the
Bible it's "the chewing locust"
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"the swarming
locust" "the crawling locust"
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and "the consuming
locust" they're all locusts...
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and that locust terminology,
that locust symbolism
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is what is being borrowed
in the Book of Revelation
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so in the Book of
Revelation, God is saying,
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"Okay, here's an army of locusts
go back to the Book of Joel
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and look at the history,
okay, here's the history. "
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Isaiah 5... you
already referenced and Joel
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are both speaking prophetically
of the army of Nebuchadnezzar.
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The Nebuchadnezzar's
army... the Chaldeans...
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came against Israel
because they were unfaithful
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they compromised, they
were worshipping idols,
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they were obscuring the
truth of the Bible and prophecy
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they were persecuting
God's "faithful people"
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like Jeremiah and
others... killed Isaiah,
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put Jeremiah in a
pit, the Babylonians come,
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the Chaldeans come,
Nebuchadnezzar comes
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and they rescue Jeremiah,
in a sense, from the pit,
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and so, really what God is
doing in Revelation chapter 9
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is He's reminding us,
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now here's what's something
that's even more interesting...
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the literal army
of Nebuchadnezzar
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and the
Babylonians the Chaldeans...
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came from the same
location as the army of Islam.
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The nations and tribes of
Islam in the Middle East there,
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same location...
present-day Iran...
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is the country from which...
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or Iraq is the
country from which we find
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Nebuchadnezzar, et cetera,
coming... way back in the day
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so you have
these... this same territory
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and God is speaking... using
the same symbols to describe
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this same type of
judgment that He's bringing
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like He brought
against His people,
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He's bringing
against the faithful...
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I mean, against the...
those who've been unfaithful
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and when Nebuchadnezzar
came, do you know what he did?
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He protected God's
faithful people like Jeremiah,
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He protected... and
just like you had noted
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that Islam actually was a
protection and a safe haven
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for the Reformers...
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that's what Nebuchadnezzar did,
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he protected
His faithful people.
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Even Daniel and his
friends were exalted to
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prominent positions under
the rulership of Nebuchadnezzar.
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Ivor: Hmmm... hmmm...
absolutely, so... I mean again,
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as we look... I
mean... if you were just...
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if I were just to
say, "This is Islam... "
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without giving a reason
why, you would need to...
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you would say, "Well,
how did you get Islam?"
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Yvonne: Right.
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Ivor: We're looking at
locusts, we're looking at...
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how do you get
Islam out of this?
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But when we look at
the principles and say,
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"Okay, we're
looking for God's judgment"
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because we know that
trumpets represent judgment...
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so, we're looking for
God's judgment upon the Papacy
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because we know the Papacy...
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is that power reigning
during the Dark Ages, this is...
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this is clearly an army...
it's an army of locusts...
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let's go back to the Bible,
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"Wow, the story of
Nebuchadnezzar... "
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Nebuchadnezzar used
a... a Gentile nation
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right, a nation
that was not his own...
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they were not his own people
but he uses this Gentile nation
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as a scorch upon those
who are professing his name,
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why? Because they're turning
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sweetness to bitterness
and light to darkness.
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And as a result, He says,
"I'm bringing a nation upon you"
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so now, all they have to
do is okay, say, "Hmmm...
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let's see... was it the Chinese
that came against the Papacy
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around this time
period of the Dark Ages?"
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No... were they the Incans?
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no, no, no... then who?
Let me go to my history... oh!
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whoa... there was a nation
that came against the Papacy...
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and it was Islam...
it was the Ottoman Empire
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wow! they did...
they were so numerous
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they were like
an army of locusts
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and wow, did they just
focus on those that did not have
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the seal of God
in their foreheads?"
00:20:52.68\00:20:54.02
James: Hmmm...
00:20:54.05\00:20:55.38
Ivor: "Yeah... "
because we know that those
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who had rejected
Christ, rejected the Holy Spirit
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were turning... bitter...
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they're not going to have
the seal of God, and guess what?
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In the writings
of the Ottoman Empire
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you will find that they had...
00:21:07.86\00:21:09.73
they had actually
written letters to Martin Luther
00:21:09.76\00:21:12.50
saying, "You
have a safe haven...
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we will help you and assist you"
00:21:14.94\00:21:17.24
and this is why
Martin Luther believed...
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Martin Luther, himself, believed
00:21:20.58\00:21:23.04
that Islam had
been allowed by God
00:21:23.11\00:21:25.55
to give the Protestant
Reformation time to flourish
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because the
Papacy... trying to destroy...
00:21:29.25\00:21:32.15
trying to destroy the
Protestant Reformation
00:21:32.19\00:21:35.09
had to turn their
attention on Islam
00:21:35.12\00:21:37.33
thus, allowing the Protestant
Reformation time to advance
00:21:37.36\00:21:42.46
and not be
stamped out. Yvonne: Wow!
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James: You know,
there's another thing here
00:21:43.90\00:21:45.23
that I think is
really interesting
00:21:45.27\00:21:46.60
when you look at
the smoke with the pit,
00:21:46.63\00:21:49.14
there's a verse
in the Old Testament
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that identifies smoke
as image or idol worship
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it's in Hosea
13:2 and 3 and it says,
00:21:57.88\00:22:00.95
"Now they sin more and more,
and have made for themselves
00:22:00.98\00:22:03.52
molten images...
idols of their silver,
00:22:03.55\00:22:08.32
according to their skill, all
of it the work of the craftsmen:
00:22:08.36\00:22:10.99
they say of them,
00:22:11.03\00:22:12.36
Let the men who
sacrifice kiss the calves.
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Therefore they shall be
like smoke from a chimney. "
00:22:14.53\00:22:17.67
The smoke of a great furnace...
smoke like a chimney...
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those who are worshipping
idols, the Bible says,
00:22:20.70\00:22:23.61
will be like the
smoke of a chimney.
00:22:23.64\00:22:24.97
When the Muslims came
out, they specifically...
00:22:25.01\00:22:27.78
as Ivor was saying,
00:22:27.81\00:22:29.14
they didn't harm those
who had the seal of God
00:22:29.18\00:22:31.11
and
specifically the command was,
00:22:31.15\00:22:34.42
"Those who do
not worship idols...
00:22:34.45\00:22:35.98
those who do not
worship idols... "
00:22:36.02\00:22:37.45
they believed that
idol worship was wrong,
00:22:37.49\00:22:39.95
they still believe that
idol worship is wrong, as we do,
00:22:39.99\00:22:42.29
it's a violation of
the Commandments of God...
00:22:42.32\00:22:44.76
worshipping of
images and idols...
00:22:44.79\00:22:46.36
and so they gave
a specific command,
00:22:46.39\00:22:47.90
now those who were
sealed with the seal of God,
00:22:47.93\00:22:49.70
you know what the Bible says
how we receive the seal of God?
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In Ephesians it says that
we're sealed by the Holy Spirit,
00:22:53.23\00:22:56.60
we're sealed by the Holy Spirit,
and it's a sealing in the gospel
00:22:56.67\00:23:00.24
and so,
Ephesians 1 identifies us
00:23:00.28\00:23:02.11
as being sealed
by the Holy Spirit
00:23:02.14\00:23:03.91
which is... which is the
third person of the Godhead,
00:23:03.95\00:23:06.08
we believe that...
and... and, therefore,
00:23:06.11\00:23:08.45
not worshipping idols
00:23:08.48\00:23:10.52
is synonymous with being
sealed with the Holy Spirit
00:23:10.55\00:23:13.49
which we know is synonymous with
darkening the air and the light
00:23:13.52\00:23:17.29
but when we don't worship idols,
00:23:17.33\00:23:18.66
we're sealed
with the Holy Spirit
00:23:18.69\00:23:20.03
so these people here
that were worshipping idols
00:23:20.06\00:23:23.87
were the target of
the Muslims, in a sense,
00:23:23.90\00:23:26.30
and those who refused to
worship idols were left alone.
00:23:26.33\00:23:29.24
Ivor: It is what
the crusades were about,
00:23:29.27\00:23:33.31
conflict between the
Papal System and Islam.
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James: Now here's something
else that's interesting,
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Nebuchadnezzar...
in Joel chapter 2
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God said, "This is my army,
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this is my
scourge, this is my army"
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but Nebuchadnezzar
didn't have the light,
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he didn't understand who God was
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or prophecies or...
he wasn't like Israel
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who had all that
light but God used him,
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same with Islam...
you have a power here,
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that definitely
is not in harmony
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with what we understand
concerning Christ, for example,
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being the Son of God...
concerning the gospel...
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but yet God uses them
to bring the scourge...
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so... so... all we have to do is
we go back to the Old Testament
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and we look at
the locust imagery
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that was used for Nebuchadnezzar
who didn't have all the light
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but was used as a scourge
against God's unfaithful people
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and protected the
faithful like Jeremiah
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you go to the New Testament,
the Book of Revelation,
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ah ha... history
is being repeated...
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you have another "Locust Power"
that doesn't have all the light
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but they're used as a scourge
against God's unfaithful people
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and they
protect... seal of God...
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those who have the seal of God.
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Ivor: And here is something
important to remember as well
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because you're sitting at
home and reading this yourself,
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you're going...
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"All right... hair
like the hair of women,
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locust... what could that be?"
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Well, remember,
in the Book of Joel
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and in the Book of Isaiah,
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the description
that's given this...
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that they're an army of locusts,
you thrust them through...
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nothing's going
to happen to them,
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it wasn't literally saying
that they're not going to die,
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it was simply God saying,
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"Look, this army
is going to be scary,
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okay, you're not
going to defeat them"
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and so He's using...
just symbolic language
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to describe, "Oh, the
army of Nebuchadnezzar"
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right, so, when
we read Revelation...
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a lot of people are reading it,
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"Okay, what could that
be?" Because at the end of time
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there's going to be some
really crazy things... so...
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"Yeah, there will be locusts
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that look like
women... have women's... "
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no... it's God,
simply describing...
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and that's why... we
were kind of talking about it,
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we want to get into all the...
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"Well, what does
this mean? What does...?"
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No, the big picture
is... this is Islam...
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Islam is being... is
the army being described
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that is going to
attack the Papacy
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and thus give God's people
time and space to advance.
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James: But I think it is
interesting don't you, Ivor,
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that there were some
certain characteristics
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like the long
hair... okay, the turbans...
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and then you
have... you have the...
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the breastplates that
were breastplates of iron
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with the sound of their wings...
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the sound of many chariots as of
the horsemen running the battle,
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the horses were the
thing that they used,
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they used horses
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and there are certain
characteristics here, I think,
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that are significant to
help us to identify these...
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the specifics of who this was,
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not just the
history... that's good too,
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not just the fact
that it's repeated,
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that's good too,
all of that is important
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but then you...
God is so merciful
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because He actually
comes down to the very...
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some of the very characteristics
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that will help us
to identify this army.
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Ivor: Yes... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: I agree with you Ivor,
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we don't want to get
into... to... all of the details
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we can't bog down on that so
we've got this basic outline,
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oh, and I like this
other one, in verse 10 it says,
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"and their tails
were like scorpions
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and there were
stings in their tails
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and their powers to
hurt men five months... "
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where's the other one
that I wanted to look at?
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Let's see... because I remember
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as I read the history of
this, it was talking about
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how that the Muslims
were the first ones...
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I don't know if
you're aware of this,
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to use
gunpowder in the battle...
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when they took
down Constantinople...
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that was one of the
things that they did
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so there's another
aspect here about...
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about the description
that I really think that's...
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we'll pick up on this...
we're out of time right now
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but we'll pick up
on this, we haven't...
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we've just begun to
actually get into this,
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we're the basic
overall description
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and then we're going to
get into a time prophecy
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and some of the details
that fit that Muslim Empire
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that I think are
really profound and prophetic.
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So, what are people going to do
if they want to get ahold of us?
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Jason: They should send us
an e- mail at sss@3abn. org
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James: sss@3abn. org
and we want to roll their
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video submissions... so
they can actually be on 3abn
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without even leaving
their home... pretty much.
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Yvonne: That's
right... that's great.
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James: So we're going
to close it up right here,
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we'll pick it up again... kind
of summarize this first part
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and then we'll ride into
the second one when we get back.
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Jason: Sounds
good... James: Sounds good.
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Yvonne: Yeah...
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