Okay, we are
marching through the trumpets
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and we just
finished trumpet number 3
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and moved into trumpet number 4
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and we're going to
pick up trumpet number 4...
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review a little bit
and then finish it off
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and maybe we'll even
get into the fifth trumpet
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which by-the-way
is called the "woe,"
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in fact there are three...
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the last three
trumpets are all called woes
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which is something we
need to talk about a little bit
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just so that we can clarify that
and understand how that relates
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to the last three trumpets
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but first we need to
start with a word of prayer,
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Jason, you want to start
us out with a word of prayer
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and then we'll go right into it.
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Jason: "Dear Heavenly Father,
as we go into our study today
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Lord, we ask that you would send
your Holy Spirit to be with us
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and we are
covering some deep material
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and need help understanding it,
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getting a full grasp on it
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please be here with us, in
Jesus' name we pray, amen. "
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All: "Amen... "
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James: So just to recap
what we have taking place here
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is basically this outline
of history... prophetic history
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and we paralleled it with the
churches and with the seals...
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really with the churches a lot
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because we've been looking
at some of the similarities
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between the two
and we're in this place
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where Jerusalem is
fallen and then you've got
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paganism fallen... Pagan Rome...
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you've got Jerusalem, Judaism,
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Papal... Pagan Rome falling
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and in filling up
the vacuum of Pagan Rome
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is the rise of a
compromised church,
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it's the "falling
away" that Paul predicted
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where the church
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extends out to... it's
arm and it's hand to the world
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and they come
together but in that process
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this compromising takes
place and what that does is...
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it affects the waters of
salvation that are made bitter,
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it affects the lights of
the heavens so that we don't see
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what's really going
on in heaven with Christ
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in mediation and
intercession which...
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to this... to Daniel chapter 8
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and the Sanctuary and the
truth being cast to the ground
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and it's time
prophecy predicting
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it will be for so
many days... 2,300 days...
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and here that whole
history is summarized
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in the context in verse 12
of the fourth angel sounding
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and the third part of the sun
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and the moon and
the stars being smitten
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because when this
compromise took place,
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there were a lot
of people who said,
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"No, we're not going
to compromise our faith,
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we can't compromise Christ,
we can't change what we believe,
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we're going to hold
to what the Bible says"
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and a divide took
place, a division took place
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and those who held to
the truth of the Bible
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during the Dark Ages as that
compromise began to take place,
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they we persecuted
by those who did not.
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The gospel doesn't
call us to persecute anyone.
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Yvonne: Right.
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James: Jimmy Carter once said,
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"The religion of Christ
never persecuted anyone"
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but when you hold to the
gospel and refuse to give it up
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and others have
compromised that gospel,
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then, an enmity
can develop there
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where they will
actually persecute you
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because you hold to that truth
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and that's what happened,
for example, with Cain and Abel.
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Yvonne: Persecution from within.
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James: Yeah, the
persecution with those who...
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who profess to be holy,
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Cain and Abel, both
were worshipping God.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: Supposedly... but
one was holding to the gospel,
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the lamb... the sacrifice...
and the other was not,
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he slipped into a
righteousness by works
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and when he was
rebuked by his brother,
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he killed his brother...
he persecuted his brother.
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Ivor: We can take it
back to heaven again,
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remember in heaven there was war
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and one-third
turned on the two-thirds,
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right, one-third...
that number of rebellion
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that was supposed to
represent God's people
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are warring against those...
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so... that vision that you're
talking about... that split...
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is what we see occurring here...
all in the name of Christ
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and yet what you have
is the wheat and the tares
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right, you have those
who claim to worship God.
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Jesus said, "The time is
coming where they that kill you
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will think they're
doing God a service. "
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Jason: You know, sometimes
change can be uncomfortable
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and it seems like some
people pick their religion
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based on their lifestyle so
they try and choose a religion
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that fits their
lifestyle rather than
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changing their lifestyle
to fit what Christ asks of us.
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James: That's a really
good point, Jason, I like that,
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and that is so true
because even when we look for
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religions that are
going to allow us to continue
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living or doing
the things that we do,
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we're not going to
necessarily find the truth,
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but when we find the truth,
but here's what's really...
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I think it's really powerful,
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I was telling you
about my Catholic upbringing
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and God is merciful
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but He wants me to come
to a knowledge of the truth
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but He doesn't want to
violate my freedom of choice
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and my conscience
and... so I'm living this life
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and my life is getting
worse and worse and worse,
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in many respects
and I'm making choices
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that are okay with
my church, let's say,
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as long as I go to
confession every week
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but they're bringing
dire results... into my life,
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dire experiences into my life
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and finally, I'm just
completely exasperated
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with religion
and I cry out to God
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and I experience Christ
in a personal, powerful way
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and it liberates me from things
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that I knew I couldn't get rid
of like alcohol, for example,
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He liberates me and
in that newfound freedom,
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I fall in love with Him
and in falling in love with Him
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when I read
Bible verses that say,
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"If you love me,
keep my commandments"
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I start thinking,
"Whoa... I do love Christ,
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I'm going to
keep His commandments"
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and I start going
to church on Sunday
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because I didn't know any
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different than
going to church on Sunday
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but I knew that
was the Commandments,
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the Commandments...
you know, you go to church,
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you keep the Sabbath day,
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"Remember the Sabbath
day to keep it holy... "
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and then I'm
challenged by my sister
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who happens to be
studying the Bible
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which I've never
studied up to that point
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and she tells me,
"Actually, the Bible teaches
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you should go to
church on Saturday"
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and I'm thinking,
"That's crazy... that's nuts...
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nobody goes to
church on Saturday"
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well, by the way, there
are a few million people
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that do and always have gone
to church on the Bible Sabbath,
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and so... the point is though
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is that as I fall
in love with Jesus,
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as He is placed
into the bitter waters,
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as He becomes the
center of Bible prophecy
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then it is... that
I have the motivation
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the love of
Christ constrains us...
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rather than
looking for the religion
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that will fit my lifestyle,
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I'm simply looking to
submit my lifestyle to the Bible
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because I found the Savior,
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I found someone
that can actually take...
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change my lifestyle and
cause me to love those things
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that I don't really care for
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and to hate those
things that I once lived for
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and that motivates me to be open
to whatever the Bible has to say
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that's... and so that's what
we want to introduce people to
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not just to
truth... but to Jesus
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we want to
introduce them to Jesus...
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and that's what
Satan is about here
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in Revelation
chapter 8 and verse 12
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it says, "And the
fourth angel sounded,
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and the third part
of the sun was smitten,
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the third part of the moon,
and the third part of the stars;
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so the third part
of them was darkened,
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and the day shone not
for a third part of it,
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and the night likewise. "
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The day and the night...
I think it's extra emphasis,
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I think this is a key verse,
a pivotal point in this prophecy
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and so there's
emphasis on all this light...
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not just the heavenly luminaries
but the day and the night
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day is day because of the sun
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and night is night
in relation to the moon
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and there's
something very simple
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and very practical
about understanding
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that those two
luminaries are darkened,
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the first one is Malachi,
for example, chapter 4 verse 2
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if you can look
that verse up, Yvonne,
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Malachi 4 verse 2...
really interesting verse...
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when it comes to
describing the sun
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and then another one, Jason,
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that I was thinking, maybe
you could look up would be...
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John chapter 1... John chapter 1
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and I'm going to give
you a bunch of verses there
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but if you can
just start with verse 1
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it seems Yvonne's
done with Malachi 4:2.
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Yvonne: Malachi 4:2, "But
unto you that fear my name
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shall the Sun of righteousness
arise with healing in his wings;
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and you shall go forth, and grow
up as calves of the stall. "
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James: "The Sun
of righteousness... "
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how does that spell that sun?
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Yvonne: Sun... James: Sun...
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James: Okay, so here is
a direct connection again
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to our Bible verse... the
day is when the sun shines,
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sun... what is the
sun that's being obscured?
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What is the day that's being
obscured during this apostasy?
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The Sun of
righteousness... Jesus Christ.
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He's being obscured...
He's being counterfeited...
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He's being left
out of the picture...
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His High Priestly work...
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the work that He is
doing in the Heavenly Sanctuary
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is being left
out of the picture.
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Ivor: And so, when
the sun is darkened,
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I mean, when the
sun is not shining,
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you have darkness,
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this entire period of
time is called the Dark Ages,
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they shut out
the light of Christ
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so if you shut out the light,
then... what do you have left?
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Darkness... but
even in darkness...
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God doesn't leave us
without... without light.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: So what light does
He give us in the darkness?
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James: Yeah, let's go
to these verses and I ask
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Jason to read and then
that's... I like... I like that.
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Jason: "In the beginning was the
Word, and the Word was with God,
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and the Word was God. "
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James: Verse
4... Jason: Verse 4...
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"In him was life; and the
life was the light of men. "
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James: Ooooh... verse 5...
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Jason: "And the
light shineth in darkness;
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and the darkness
comprehended it not. "
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James: And then verse 9...
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Jason: "That was the true
Light, which lighteth every man
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that cometh into the world. "
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James: Light, light,
light, light, light...
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it's all about
Jesus, it's all about Jesus
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but I want you to
notice again, verse 1,
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can you read that
first verse again?
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Jason: Sure, "In the
beginning was the Word,
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and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God. "
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James: The Word... so
we're not just talking about
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anything... we're
talking about the Word...
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the specific attack was not just
on the righteousness of Christ,
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but it was also on the Bible...
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the Word of God itself was
being attacked during this time
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the Bible became a book
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that was not made
available to the people
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and it was also a book
that it was illegal to have,
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you could not have a Bible,
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common people didn't own one,
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they didn't know what
the Word of God taught,
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so, of course,
if you're a religion
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that assumes to have the
prerogatives of Christ on earth,
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and you're teaching
things that are wrong,
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how are people going to know
that if they don't have a Bible?
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Yvonne: Right.
Ivor: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: So this
is one of the ways
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that so many people
were put in the darkness
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because the Bible
wasn't made available.
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Jason: That's a thing to...
I guess, something to look at
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in today's time too because
there are a lot of people
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that go to church and they just
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take what the Preacher's saying,
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you have to study
the Word for yourself
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because you can
still end up lost...
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you don't know if... I
mean... your Pastor is human,
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he might misquote
something by accident,
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or he might do it on
purpose, you never know
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and if you're not in
the Word of God yourself,
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you're not going to
know the difference.
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James: It still
applies to us today...
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we've got to be in
the Word of God today,
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we've got to be
following the Bible today.
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I think one of the
dangers that I've experienced
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in the modern world is
that there are so many Bibles
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and so many Bible translations
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and I think that
we need to remember
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that the Bible today
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is the best-selling
book in the world every year,
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it would be on
America's top bestseller list
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every single year... but
it's just taken for granted,
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I mean, in other words,
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you can't just put it
on there every single year,
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but it is... and one of the...
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one of the
negatives about that is that
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there are a lot of
companies that produce Bibles,
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simply to make a profit
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so the Bible is
produced to make money
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not because the
people producing it
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necessarily believe in it
or believe that it's a book
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that needs to be
duplicated and what happens is
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these companies... in
order to make money...
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you have to have a Bible
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that's not
copyrighted by somebody else
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because you're not
going to make the money
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on somebody else's
Bible, it's copyrighted...
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so you have to... and in
order to have your own Bible,
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you have to
change the Bible enough
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a certain percentage
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in order for you to
have your own copyright.
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Jason: That's a scary thing.
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James: So every year we
have new Bibles coming out,
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we have, The Teenager Bible
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and the Kids' Bible
and the Fisherman's Bible
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the Hunter's Bible, we
have Sports Person's Bible,
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we have the Grandpa's
Bible and the Aunt's Bible,
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and we have the Ladies'
Bible and we have the...
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all these different versions,
The Chronological Bible...
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you start reading through...
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I read through The
Chronological Bible
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a couple of years ago, I
don't recommend it to anyone
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because the
footnotes are terrible,
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the footnotes
actually undermine the Bible,
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I'm thinking, "Why
are they saying this?
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This is the Bible...
" it... it was amazing
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but it was
published by a secular company
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basically to make money...
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and so we can see the
same thing happening today
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that we're talking
about here in this prophecy.
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Yvonne: So, scholarship wise...
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which Bibles do
you guys recommend?
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If our Viewers want to know,
"What Bible should we get?"
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Because there are so
many versions out there
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and sometimes it's
really nice to do the
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parallel version
comparison you know,
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but you want to make
sure that you have a standard
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against which you
can base all of them.
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James: So, I
absolutely recommend...
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every single person
needs to have in their library
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King James or a New King
James, that Bible stands alone
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as the standard... it's
based on the Textus Receptus,
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it's a completely
different set of manuscripts
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than most of the
other modern versions
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which are all based on
the Vaticanus and Sinaiticus
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the Westcott-Hort
Greek or the Nestles
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and they are two different
families of manuscripts
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that bring us to those versions
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so a lot of people like the
NIV... the ESV... the NAS...
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all of those are
easy re-translations
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and some of them are more
accurate than certain verses
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in the King James
or the New King James
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so it's not an issue of
excluding modern versions
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or excluding all those versions
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but it's an issue
of... like you said,
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of having a standard and
for me, it's the King James
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or the New King
James... that's the standard
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and if you're really
going to study the Bible,
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you've got to have a King
James and a New King James
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because that's where
you're going to find the Bible
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in it's whole... some
of these other versions
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even in the margin it will say,
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"These verses aren't found
in the earlier manuscripts"
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and I could go into
all the history of that
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but we don't have time,
or... they aren't there...
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there'll be verses
that actually aren't there,
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they're not in
there. Yvonne: Right.
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James: So
that's my take on that.
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Ivor: KJB... and I'll
use other translations
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and kind of compare and...
so, I think it's good to...
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I'll just always love the KJB,
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that's what I came
into the church... I mean...
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I didn't even know
they had other translations
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so I was like,
"Okay, KJB, here we go"
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I had no idea that
there were other translations
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until sometime afterward
but it's just my favorite,
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I think it's... for
me it reads the best
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and it just... I think...
comparing the other Scriptures
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you use the other
versions to what you see here,
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can sometimes help
round out a picture for you
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but this is what I use,
that's what I have so...
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but regarding the night...
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and we're talking about
the Bible and the Sun...
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in the night... we were saying
that God still leaves us a light
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right and in 2nd
Peter chapter 1 verse 19
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and I'll... I'll
go ahead and read it
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because I have it open right
here... here is what it says,
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"We have also a more
sure word of prophecy;
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whereunto you do
well that you take heed,
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as unto a light that
shineth in a dark place,
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until the day dawn,
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and the day star
arise in your hearts... "
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Ivor: So, in this
verse... prophecy is that light
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when there's
darkness around right,
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so we're to be
dependent upon prophecy
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when there's darkness until the
day star arise in your heart...
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until the day dawns... so, okay,
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they block out the Sun...
all right, there's darkness...
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okay, but you know what?
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In darkness,
prophecy can guide us
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and keep our steps
and so, what do they do?
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They shut out the
light of the night as well,
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in other words... they
manipulate Bible prophecy
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right... to... because
here's what was happening,
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we have the
Reformation coming up on the...
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upon the scene
during the time of this...
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James: And even Paul is
predicting the very falling away
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that is being
fulfilled by this...
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Ivor: Absolutely, absolutely,
and so what they're doing is...
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as more and more fingers
eventually begin to point
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to the Papacy as...
"wait a minute... you...
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wait a minute... wait a minute,
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bitter waters... sun
being darkened, moon... "
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and as more fingers
are pointing and realizing,
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"Wait a minute, the Papacy
is actually in Bible prophecy"
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they're like, "No, no... "
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they're obscuring
those prophecies to say,
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"That's not us...
no, no, no, no, no...
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that's some other time... "
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we kind of talked about
this a little bit earlier,
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Futurism and Preterism...
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the sun and the
moon we're told...
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were put in the sky to help
us discern times and seasons,
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according to
Daniel 7, the Bible says,
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"This little horn will think
to change times and laws... "
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in other words... "We're
going to manipulate prophecy
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so that you can't
point to us as a fulfillment
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of the very things
we're fulfilling. "
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Yvonne: Ah...
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Ivor: But there's another
verse I'm going to show you,
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just go back with me
to the Book of Proverbs 31
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and then we can elaborate
on this a little bit more
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but in Proverbs
31 we talked about
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the fact that Proverbs
31 describes the woman...
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right, who was a representation
of the church... the true church
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and in Proverbs 31...
verse... I believe it's verse...
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let's see here... verse 18...
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speaking about
this woman, it says,
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"She perceiveth that
her merchandise is good:
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her candle goeth
not out by night. "
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: "Her candle
goeth not out by night... "
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so here you have this true woman
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the Bible says,
the true church...
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the true woman... she
has the light of prophecy,
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that light
doesn't go out by night
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but in Revelation
you've got this power...
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seeking to darken the light that
is given for those in darkness.
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All: Hmmm...
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Ivor: Taking away prophecy...
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and we know that this
is exactly what happened
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during the Dark Ages...
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the Word of God is tampered with
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as a result,
prophecy is misunderstood,
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I mean, they're keeping the
Word of God from the people,
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there's compromise... all
these things are happening
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and what's important for us
to... and this is something...
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remember in the
last program I was like,
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"I'm going to say something...
no I shouldn't say it... "
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Yvonne: Yeah,
yeah, yeah... yeah...
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Ivor: Well, I'll
say half of it now
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and half of it now is this,
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you'll notice that
the 3rd and 4th trumpets
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appear to deal
with doctrinal issues,
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with spiritual
teachings... right... Bible...
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prophecy... light...
what we're going to see
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as we get to the
5th and 6th trumpet,
00:19:09.44\00:19:12.48
is that these seem
to be more military...
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right, more political
as it were in nature...
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now remember,
what is the Papacy?
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It's a Church...
James: Ecclesiastical Power...
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Ivor: State... Entity...
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it is a religio-political
power so, if we're right,
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then look at what's happening
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in trumpets 3 and 4, God
is revealing the weakness
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of the "religion side" of it,
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in trumpets number 5
and 6, we're going to see
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the political or military aspect
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and both of
these together combined
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is what helps to bring down
the fall of the Papacy in 1798,
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remember when
the trumpet is blown,
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it means the enemies of
God's people are going to fall,
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we don't see a fall...
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we saw a fall in
the first trumpet,
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you know, Jerusalem fell,
00:20:03.37\00:20:05.57
we saw a fall in the
second trumpet... Rome fell...
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but in trumpet number
3 we don't see a fall...
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we see something being revealed
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in trumpet number 4
we don't see a fall...
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in trumpet number 5 and 6
when those are completed...
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guess what we end up having?
The fall of the Papacy...
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those four trumpets together
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help bring about the fall of
this religio-political power.
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First two
trumpets, trumpets 3 and 4...
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religious in nature,
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trumpets 5 and 6...
political in nature...
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James: Okay, a couple of
verses that I want to use
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us to look at to
confirm this, Yvonne,
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if you can look up
for us Daniel chapter 7
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and begin with verse 2
and then I'm going to give
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Jason, Matthew 2:12 to 14...
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so, just picking
up where Ivor left off
00:20:51.71\00:20:56.05
on the night...
because Daniel 7 verse 2...
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because I've
always understood that Sun
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but the night has been a
little bit difficult for me,
00:21:02.66\00:21:04.46
and I definitely can connect
00:21:04.49\00:21:07.13
with that verse in 2nd
Peter chapter 1 verse 19,
00:21:07.16\00:21:09.90
but as I was thinking about this
00:21:09.96\00:21:12.30
and Ivor and I were
chatting about this,
00:21:12.33\00:21:13.67
all of a sudden it hit
me, the night... the night...
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the night... what does God do...
00:21:15.44\00:21:16.77
what light does God
give us in the night
00:21:16.81\00:21:19.01
that would have been
obscured by this power...
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Ivor already nailed it
but I want Bible verses
00:21:21.34\00:21:23.58
so Daniel chapter 7 verse 2
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and I want you to
read verses 2, 7 and 13.
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Yvonne: "Daniel spake and said,
I saw in my vision by night,
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and, behold, the
four winds of the heaven
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strove upon the great sea. "
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James: Okay, stop
right there, he saw where?
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Yvonne: In the night...
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James: In his visions at
night, what visions were they?
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Prophetic visions,
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7 prophetic
visions, okay, verse 7.
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Yvonne: "After this I
saw in the night visions,
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and behold a fourth
beast, dreadful and terrible,
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and strong exceedingly;
and it had great iron teeth:
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it devoured and brake in pieces,
00:21:56.11\00:21:58.01
and stamped the
residue with the feet of it:
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and it was diverse from all
the beasts that were before it;
00:22:00.12\00:22:03.59
and it had ten horns. "
00:22:03.65\00:22:05.19
James: Okay, now verse 13.
00:22:05.22\00:22:06.55
Yvonne: "I saw in the
night visions, and behold,
00:22:06.59\00:22:10.53
one like the Son of man
came with the clouds of heaven,
00:22:10.56\00:22:13.36
and came to the Ancient of days,
00:22:13.40\00:22:15.00
and they brought
him near before him. "
00:22:15.06\00:22:17.07
James: Night
vision, night vision,
00:22:17.10\00:22:18.43
night vision, night
vision. Yvonne: Yeah.
00:22:18.47\00:22:19.80
James: Do you have night vision?
Do you have night vision?
00:22:19.83\00:22:22.87
See, God's people
have night visions
00:22:22.90\00:22:25.01
and those night
visions come from God
00:22:25.04\00:22:27.04
and they help us to
understand where we are
00:22:27.08\00:22:29.24
especially when
the sun is obscured,
00:22:29.28\00:22:31.05
the night vision helps us
to understand where we are.
00:22:31.11\00:22:33.01
So, he's trying
to obscure the Sun...
00:22:33.05\00:22:34.58
Christ's
righteousness, the gospel
00:22:34.62\00:22:36.05
and he's also trying to obscure
prophecy... see that... okay
00:22:36.08\00:22:40.56
what else does prophecy
do, Jason, Matthew chapter 2
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verses 12 through 14.
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Jason: Okay, "And
being warned of God
00:22:45.26\00:22:47.30
in a dream that they
should not return to Herod,
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they departed into
their own country another way.
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And when they were departed,
behold, the angel of the Lord
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appeareth to
Joseph in a dream saying,
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Arise, and take the
young child and his mother,
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and flee into Egypt,
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and be thou there
until I bring thee word:
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for Herod will seek the
young child to destroy him.
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When he arose, he
took the young child
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and his mother by night,
and departed into Egypt. "
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James: Okay, the angel is coming
to the Magi... the wise men
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telling... "Hey,
don't go back to Herod"
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when does he come
to them? At night.
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The angel comes to Joseph,
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"Hey, you need
to flee into Egypt"
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which, by the
way, was a prophecy...
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of Him fleeing into Egypt.
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God's people were also
taken into Egypt by Joseph
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you remember that?
Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: Joseph took
them in to take care of them
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so, Egypt was a place
where God's people were
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protected for a
while in the Old Testament,
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Egypt was a place where
Jesus was protected for a while
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in the New Testament,
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and both of those
visions were given...
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well, both of those visions...
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the specific vision that Joseph
had was given to him at night.
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So God, not only
gives us prophetic visions
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but also gives us
instruction, direction,
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that's being
obscured by this power,
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when it says the sun
and it says the night...
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all of that is being
obscured by this power
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so we won't have the
direction of the Word,
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we won't have the
direction of prophecy,
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we won't have the instruction
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that God wants to
give us from heaven...
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those luminaries are obscured...
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darkness... and we
don't know what to do.
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Honest people have
not known what to do
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because those
visions and those prophecies
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were obscured or they
were... they were misinterpreted
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to mean something
that... that God never intended.
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Ivor: I'm going to
mention something here
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that I think... will set us
up for our next program as well.
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James: Okay.
00:24:37.47\00:24:38.81
Ivor: Is that
what... and this is the...
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this is the principle that...
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another principle
that we should mention
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is the way that we come
to the Book of Revelation
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to understand it is
that we allow prophecy
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to show us what
history we're looking for.
00:24:53.99\00:24:56.93
James: Yes.
00:24:56.96\00:24:58.29
Ivor: We don't look at history
00:24:58.33\00:24:59.66
and then go back and
try to find it in prophecy
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right, we
understand the prophecy...
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we understand... we try to
understand the prophecy first,
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what is the framework?
What should I be looking for?
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And then once you get that,
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"Okay, now I know
what I'm looking for... "
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and you go and you
find it in history.
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What gets a lot of
people in trouble is that,
00:25:15.94\00:25:18.08
they'll look at
something historical
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and go, "Okay,
this must be prophecy"
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and then go back and...
you see what I'm saying?
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So we become
more "history based"
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in our prophecy... "What is...?"
00:25:26.29\00:25:28.52
Versus, prophecy
based... in our prophecy...
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so, for
example, as we just said,
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looking at these
four trumpets so far...
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we were able to say,
"Look, according to the prophecy
00:25:35.16\00:25:38.90
these are the things
we should be looking for"
00:25:38.93\00:25:41.20
not... "Is there
history that fulfills it. "
00:25:41.24\00:25:43.51
"Ah, yes there
is... look... look... "
00:25:43.54\00:25:45.87
it's obvious, right?
00:25:45.91\00:25:47.24
We know we're looking
for... we know the generals...
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and so, we're like,
"Okay, this fits in... "
00:25:49.88\00:25:52.68
this is going to be crucial
when we get to trumpet number 5
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and trumpet number 6
because all we have to do
00:25:56.12\00:25:58.75
to understand the
parameters, all we have to do
00:25:58.79\00:26:01.42
is say, "Okay, well,
let's look for the history,"
00:26:01.46\00:26:03.66
we know what we're looking for,
00:26:03.69\00:26:05.03
"Where is the
history?" And guess what?
00:26:05.06\00:26:06.80
It's right
there before our eyes.
00:26:06.83\00:26:08.16
Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:26:08.20\00:26:09.53
Ivor: So I just
thought it's important for us
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to kind of set the path as
we get into trumpet number 5.
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James: Okay, and
then one last thought here
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and that's verse 13
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which really isn't
a trumpet, per se...
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it's kind of... instruction
00:26:23.08\00:26:24.41
and the instruction
that we have here is,
00:26:24.45\00:26:26.72
basically telling us
that the last three trumpets
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are called, "woes. "
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Verse 13 in
Revelation 8, "And I beheld,
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and heard an angel flying
through the midst of heaven,
00:26:33.39\00:26:36.52
saying with a loud
voice, Woe, woe, woe,
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to the inhabiters of the earth
by reason of the other voices
00:26:39.29\00:26:43.10
of the trumpet of the three
angels, which are yet to sound!"
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The last three
trumpets are called "Woes"
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and I just want to clarify this,
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it's not that there are
three woes and three trumpets,
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so six... that's not
what he's saying here,
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he's simply saying,
"the woes are the trumpets"
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but these specific
trumpets are called, "woes"
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and that's for a specific reason
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and the "woes" are to
the inhabitants of the earth
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and we can close
this with the idea that...
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that we don't want to be
an inhabiter of the earth,
00:27:07.49\00:27:10.26
we want to be
sitting in heavenly places
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with Christ Jesus. Yvonne: Amen.
00:27:12.73\00:27:14.06
James: And when
we find ourselves
00:27:14.10\00:27:15.43
sitting in heavenly
places with Christ Jesus,
00:27:15.46\00:27:16.80
we're going to find that
these woes aren't really for us,
00:27:16.83\00:27:20.84
we are going to be protected
or covered, if you will,
00:27:20.87\00:27:25.04
in fact, in the
first one, it talks about
00:27:25.07\00:27:27.38
"not hurting those
who have the seal of God"
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we're going to be
protected or covered
00:27:29.71\00:27:31.51
from these "Woes"
00:27:31.55\00:27:33.62
that are coming upon
the inhabitants of the earth
00:27:33.65\00:27:34.98
and that's really what we want.
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Yvonne: Amen.
00:27:36.38\00:27:37.72
James: So, Jason, what do
we have for connecting with us
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for those who have questions?
00:27:40.69\00:27:42.02
Jason: Oh, if
they have questions,
00:27:42.06\00:27:44.29
they can submit
it to sss@3abn. org
00:27:44.33\00:27:46.59
we'd love some video questions.
00:27:46.63\00:27:49.86
James: Yes, video questions,
any questions you have
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bring them to sss@3abn.
org now when we get together,
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again, we're going
to be moving right in
00:27:56.07\00:27:57.94
to Revelation chapter 9.
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