So we are in seal number six
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we've just left
off at seal number five
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and we're going to really this
piggyback on seal number five,
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seal number six is
connected to seal number five
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and we've seen that
all through the churches,
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we've seen those connections,
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in fact, I've to be honest,
Ivor... in our conversation
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and this is outside of
the time we've been here
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I've seen things in this
connection between number five
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and number six that
I haven't seen before.
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I've seen seal number five in
ways I've never seen it before
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so I really feel like
God is giving us insight here
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to the
connectivity of the history,
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the overlapping with
the churches has helped,
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it lays a powerful foundation
so we go back and we check
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and check and we check
and then... that opens up more
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of what's taking
place in the seals.
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Ivor: Yeah you were sharing
just a little bit earlier that
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if we don't have
the churches right...
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because the
churches lay the foundation
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for everything else we
read in the Book of Revelation
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because now we can check it
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against the backdrop of
the churches, all right,
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where does this unfold in the
context of the seven churches?
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And that just helps
us as we open the seals
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to really be able to understand
where we are at every point,
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you can drop your finger on a
chapter and verse in Revelation
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and when you get its context,
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you can say, "Okay,
well this would put us
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here within the
context of the seven churches,
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or here within the context
of the seven churches... "
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so, it's absolutely crucial.
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James: Absolutely, and
this is really going to help us
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when we get into the trumpets
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because the
trumpets are even harder...
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I think the seals are
pretty basic and pretty easy
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compared to the trumpets,
the trumpets are hard...
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but the reason
they're harder is because
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we've already been given
these churches and the seals,
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and so we've got this...
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this true north already back
here... this foundation already.
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Ivor: Which will make the
trumpets actually pretty easy
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once we begin to
see how it unfolds
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okay, the trumpets
look complex but we...
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when we measure it in
the context of the seals
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and the churches... "Oh,
okay... yeah, this is... "
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James: Though, there's
some new stuff in the trumpets
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that hasn't been...
Ivor: Yeah... more detail.
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James: Jason, you know what we
need to do right now don't you?
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Jason: Pray...
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James: That's right, pray
and then we'll read the verses,
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Yvonne, can you read the verses
for us then we'll get into it.
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Yvonne: Sure...
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Jason: All right...
"Dear Heavenly Father,
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we thank you for
the rich blessings
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that we've been receiving
from studying your Word
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and we invite you
to be with us again
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as we dig deep into your Word...
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and please lead,
guide and direct our study
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in Jesus' name we pray, amen. "
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All: "Amen... "
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Okay, Yvonne,
we're in Revelation 6
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and we're going to read verses
12, 13, 14, 15, 16 and 17.
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Yvonne: Okay...
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"And I beheld when he
had opened the sixth seal,
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and lo, there was
a great earthquake;
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and the sun became
black as sackcloth of hair,
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and the moon because as blood.
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And the stars of
heaven fell unto the earth,
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even as a fig tree
casteth her untimely figs,
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when she is
shaken of a mighty wind.
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And the heaven
departed as a scroll
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when it is rolled together;
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and every mountain and island
were moved out of their places.
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And the kings of the
earth, and the great men,
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and the rich men,
and the chief captains,
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and the mighty
men, and every bondman,
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and every free
man, hid themselves
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in the dens and in the
rocks of the mountains;
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And said to the
mountains and rocks,
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Fall on us, and hide
us from the face of him
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that sitteth on the throne,
and from the wrath of the Lamb:
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For the great day
of his wrath is come;
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and who shall be able to stand?"
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James: Wow, so... so
this seal, this sixth seal
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takes us right into
the second coming of Jesus,
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you see that in
the last few verses
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so... this is...
this is amazing...
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so right now, we just
read verses that tell us
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where we are in
history. Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: We're not at
the second coming of Jesus,
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the event
hasn't taken place yet,
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that's ahead of us, but
we've seen these signs, now,
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now we want to look
at some of these signs,
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when the sixth seal is opened
there is 1... a great earthquake
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the sun becomes
black as sackcloth of hair,
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the moon becomes as blood
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and the stars of
heaven fall unto the earth,
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now these signs...
I'm just going to comment
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before Ivor... before you
give us some dates on this,
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these signs are directly
connected with the fifth seal
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because the fifth
seal pointed us to
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a judgment that's
coming... 1840 to 1844 Movement
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and the beginning of
the Investigative Judgment,
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it pointed us to a time
when those who had been slain
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under the altar were
going to receive white robes
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now that Millerite Movement...
when it started proclaiming
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the judgment hour...
the hour of His judgment
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and the everlasting gospel,
it was directly confirmed
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by these signs that the
earthquake... Lisbon earthquake
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and the stars fall... all of
these signs were a confirmation
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to the Millerite Movement,
that they were indeed on track
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and by-the-way...
they expected these verses
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to be fulfilled
very, very quickly,
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they expected it
to just roll right in
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to the second
coming of Jesus Christ
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and we're going to find out why
they didn't roll right into that
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in chapter 7... but
that is for another program,
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two or three... we'll see...
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so tell us about these signs,
Ivor, what have we got here?
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Ivor: So... just want to
point out a couple of things
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very quickly first... you see...
we just read that the sixth seal
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takes us down to the
second coming of Christ,
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what's
interesting about this seal...
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and we'll see it in the pattern
of all the seals before it
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is that each seal
covers a period of time,
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okay, it's not coming...
it's not like... one day...
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so, someone can
read this and say,
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"Oh, this looks
like a one-day event... "
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you know, "Oh,
earthquake... and...
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and this is the
coming of Christ... "
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but the sixth seal covers
a specific period of time,
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it covers a period of time
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just as the fifth seal
covered a period of time...
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the fourth,
third, second and first,
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all covered a
large section of time...
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hundreds of
years... covering that
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general period of
time. James: Dark Ages...
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Ivor: Exactly...
Dark Ages... et cetera...
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we see the fifth seal
and we saw that each seal
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takes us... first seal...
the rider on the white horse
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takes us down to the
Second Coming... right,
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because the gospel is going to
go forth to the Second Coming,
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the second seal... persecution
down to the Second Coming,
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each seal... compromise...
James: The horses keep riding...
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Ivor: Exactly...
the horses keep riding,
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the fifth seal...
martyrs will be...
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martyrdom will be happening...
up until the close of probation
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and so the sixth
seal... same thing...
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but each time period
starts us a little bit... yeah,
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closer... further down... okay?
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Ivor: I want to read a
a verse in Matthew 24...
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and let's just turn
there very quickly...
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Matthew 24 and verse 29...
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Matthew 24... and verse 29,
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if one of you gets that... just
go ahead and read that for me
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24... verse 29 and 30...
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Jason: "Immediately after
the tribulation of those days
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shall the sun be darkened,
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and the moon shall
not give her light,
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and the stars
shall fall from heaven,
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and the powers of the
heavens shall be shaken:
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And then shall appear the sign
of the Son of man in heaven:
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and then shall all the
tribes of the earth mourn,
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and they shall
see the Son of man
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coming in the clouds of heaven
with power and great glory. "
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James: Hmmm... Yvonne: Wow!
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Ivor: So... in verse
29 and 30 you have...
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in Matthew 24
what Jesus is doing,
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He's giving... He's
speaking to His disciples
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and He's telling them
of things that happen...
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from His time... all the
way down to the end of time
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so... while these events look
compact like this and this...
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they're covering
the period of history
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from the early church all
the way down to the end of time.
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James: Yes, same history...
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Ivor: same history...
right... James: Same history...
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Ivor: So what's interesting is
that if you look at verse 29...
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it says, "Immediately after the
tribulation of those days... "
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okay... so remember...
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what have we just
covered in the fifth seal?
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What was
happening in the fifth seal?
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What were the
saints crying out for?
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James: The
slaying of the martyrs.
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Ivor: Yeah...
James: Persecution...
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Ivor: There was tribulation
going on, persecution right?
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And so the verse says,
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"Immediately after the
tribulation of those days... "
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a reference to the Dark Ages,
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the sun shall be darkened
and the moon shall not show...
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James: Perfect connection.
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Ivor: Perfect connection
because in the sixth trumpet,
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what you have is...
right during the time...
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just about the time of the
close of the 1,260-year prophecy
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you have these major
events happening in the heavens
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one occurs in
1780... one occurs in 1755...
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the other occurs in
1833... this is the Dark Day...
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this is the great
Lisbon Earthquake,
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this is the
falling of the stars...
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these major
events in the heavens...
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the Millerite Movement
looked at these signs and said,
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some happened before
the Millerite Movement
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came upon the scene,
just years earlier...
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not a long... but years earlier
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they looked at
these signs and said,
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"Okay, these
signs are significant
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of end-time events to come...
" this is what actually gave...
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James: Impetus...
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Ivor: Yeah... to
the Movement of 1844...
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because when people saw these
signs, they were like, "Okay. "
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James: They saw
Matthew 24 before...
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they saw the signs that we're
looking at under the sixth seal
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and said, "Whoa, this is
exactly what Jesus predicted...
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this is exactly what
Revelation is talking about. "
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
hmmmm... hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: Absolutely,
so what you have is
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a time of great
tribulation, the 1,260...
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immediately after those days,
you have the sun being darkened,
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the moon... so this is
showing that the sixth seal
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actually opened up
around 1840, 17... late 1700s
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1840s... which
again... guess what it does?
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It parallels
perfectly to the sixth church
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which is the
church of Philadelphia
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which we saw fit the time frame
of 1798 till around 1844...
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the Millerite Movement fulfills
the Philadelphian church,
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okay, so now we
compare the Philadelphia church
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and this great earthquake
and these things that...
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the sun being darkened...
we see this connection
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and what is it that their
attention is being brought to
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they thought it
was being brought to
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the second
coming of Jesus Christ,
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but in actuality it
was bringing them to...
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the beginning of the
judgment... and remember...
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under the fifth seal...
what are the saints crying out?
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James: Judgment. Ivor:
How long before judgment?
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Well, we know that judgment,
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Jesus says, "I come
and my reward is with me"
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so sometime
between the fifth seal
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and the sixth seal...
judgment has to have begun
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and that judgment must precede
the second coming of Christ.
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So this... this
seal... what it looks like
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it's all happening in
one dark day, earthquake,
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the coming of Christ,
there are events within
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that time period that
will fulfill all these things.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm... hmmm...
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it's interesting because I
have read about the earth...
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the great earthquake and
the dark day and all that
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and I knew that it
was 1700s and all that
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and it just
seemed so disconnected
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because here we
are in the 2,000s...
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and it just seemed like...
"Okay, that happened back then
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but now what's...?"
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James: How is this playing out?
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Yvonne: How is that...
yeah... how it connected?
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James: Is this right
before Christ is coming?
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Yvonne: Exactly.
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James: Like... this... is this
really the Lisbon Earthquake?
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This is the
question I've asked myself,
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"Is that really
the Lisbon earthquake?"
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Yvonne: And that
is what I was asking.
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James: Is the dark
day really 200 years ago?
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Yvonne: Right.
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James: Because... you
know, we're still here...
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shouldn't this like... "
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and I get that question
asked to me a lot of times...
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so, one of the principles
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that I think we're talking about
which is really significant
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is that we see the
succession of events
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and what God is laying
out in the Book of Revelation
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is that He is
generous to every generation,
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Amos says in chapter 3 verse 7,
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"Surely the Lord
God will do nothing,
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except he reveals his secrets
to his servants the prophets"
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so in every generation
God has signs and truths
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for that particular group of
believers that affirms them in
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where they live
and what's going on
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every single group,
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so that's what we've
seen over and over again,
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in the Book of Revelation
we've seen for example
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the Apostolic Age,
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in the Apostolic Age we saw
this white horse and its rider
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and we saw the
Apostolic church of Ephesus
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and we saw them take the
gospel to all the world...
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and so that was a
sign for them to know
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that "Oh, we're really
living in this age... "
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in the red horse,
we saw this persecution
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and in Smyrna we saw a ten-day
period of intense tribulation,
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well that was a ten-year period,
a- day-for-a-year principle
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of Diocletian when he
ruled from 303 to 313...
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and just really
hammered the Christians,
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well that really
helped them to see,
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"Wow, this... this
is where we are... "
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Ivor: "We're living in the
fulfillment of this prophecy. "
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James: Yes, yes...
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Ivor: So the third
church and the fourth church
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may not have any...
they're probably looking for
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like, "Well, what is
this? A woman... Jezebel... "
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like, you know, "I
don't get this... "
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but it wasn't for
them at that time,
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so these signs in
these previous church eras
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help us to be confident
that what we're looking for
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in the seventh church, right,
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or under the sixth
and seventh seal...
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will have
significance to us because,
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"Okay, that was for
them... now this is for us"
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so it's important
for us to understand
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what signs are we
looking for in our time.
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James: And here's where
it gets interesting, Yvonne,
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because, we may say,
"Well, I want these signs"
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no, God proportioned
those to the Millerite Movement
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but we have some...
we have some signs...
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are you ready for the
signs that God has given us?
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Yvonne: Yes... yes...
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James: We're talking about
the beast coming out of the sea,
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getting a deadly wound
but the wound is healed
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and all the world wonders
00:14:20.26\00:14:21.59
and another beast
coming up from out of the earth
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with two horns like a lamb...
but he speaks like a dragon
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and all the world...
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and there's this mark
that's enforced on everyone,
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and no man can buy...
these are the signs...
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and we're going to go, "Wow!"
when we see those things...
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"Well, I don't know if I
need that earthquake anymore,
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because there's
another 'earthquake'
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taking place right here,
00:14:37.04\00:14:38.37
this is amazing
fulfillment of prophecy...
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I'm glad these guys got that
because that helped me to know
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why they were on track and
now I know I'm on track... "
00:14:42.98\00:14:44.75
you know what I'm saying?
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God is not neglectful because
in Revelation one He says,
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"I am the God that is
and was and is to come"
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and this prophecy
is what you've seen,
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what is and what will come
00:14:55.39\00:14:57.33
so these
principles of interpretation
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are vital for us
so... not so we get greedy
00:14:59.49\00:15:02.20
and I think the reason
why we ask this question
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why you ask it... why I've asked
it... why others have asked it,
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it's not because we're
greedy to have it for ourselves,
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we want to understand it
and we want to understand,
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"Is it significant
for us?" And it is...
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because that history
is significant for us
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to know that God led
His people step by step
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in every past generation
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and He has something
for us in this generation.
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Ivor: In Revelation chapter 3
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when we go back to
the Philadelphia church
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and we're looking at
the comparison between
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sixth seal and...
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James: I really wanted
to do this, by the way...
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I said, "I want to look at
that seal again and see... "
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let's do this... let's hear it.
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Ivor: Yeah and look at verse 7,
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it says, "To the angel of the
church in Philadelphia write;
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These things saith he
that is holy, he that is true,
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he that has the key of David,
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he that openeth
and no man shutteth;
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and shutteth,
and no man openeth;
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I know thy works:
behold I have set before thee
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an open door and no
man can shut it... "
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so here we have Christ
talking about this open door
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in the Philadelphian church...
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in the
Philadelphian church period,
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and He's saying,
"Hey, there's an open door"
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now if we compare
that open door and ask,
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"What is that open door,
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what happened in the 1800s that
had to do with an open door?"
00:16:13.60\00:16:18.44
We're going to go
back to the judgment
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because it is there where Christ
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moves from a Holy Place emphasis
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into a Most Holy Place
emphasis where judgment begins
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and we're being
invited into an open door,
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so, fifth seal...
how long before judgment?
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God says, "Don't
worry, judgment is coming... "
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sixth seal... opens
up with these great signs
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and these great signs lead
the Millerite Movement to think
00:16:47.44\00:16:50.41
to see...
"Something is going to happen
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in 1844... as
we have been saying
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and this sign
just confirms it... "
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and what did they
think was going to happen?
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The Second Coming of Jesus
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because it's
right there in the text,
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you know, it looks like it but
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they didn't understand
that the door to be opened
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was actually the
door of the judgment
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and so, he goes on to say,
00:17:09.29\00:17:11.49
"Behold I will make them
of the synagogue of Satan,
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which say they are
Jews, and are not, but do lie;
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behold, I will make them to come
and worship before thy feet,
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and to know that
I have loved thee. "
00:17:19.87\00:17:21.50
You see, during
the Millerite Movement,
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there were those who were
claiming to be followers of God
00:17:22.97\00:17:27.04
but were scoffing at this
idea that Christ would return.
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James: Yeah, yes...
now, let's break this down,
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"synagogue of
Satan... " because...
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I mean to say "they are
Jews but they're not... "
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so we would automatically say,
00:17:36.22\00:17:37.59
"Well, that might be
talking in a literal sense... "
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it's not talking in a
literal sense... literal Jews...
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Paul talks about this and
I'll just give you one verse
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just so that we can have it in
our notes in Romans chapter 2,
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Paul says in the
last verse here, he says,
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verse 28... he says,
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"For he is not a Jew
which is one outwardly;
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neither is that circumcision,
which is outward in the flesh:
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But he is a Jew,
which is one inwardly;
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and circumcision
is that of the heart,
00:18:03.78\00:18:05.71
in the spirit,
and not in the letter;
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whose praise is not
of men, but of God. "
00:18:07.88\00:18:09.92
So when they
say, "We're Jews... "
00:18:09.98\00:18:11.85
they're saying, "We've
been circumcised in our hearts,
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we're believers,
we're Christians,
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because we're
spiritual Jews... "
00:18:16.59\00:18:18.46
that's what Paul is talking
about in Romans chapter 2,
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he talks about it in
Galatians, there's Romans also
00:18:20.40\00:18:22.83
later in the
chapter so... those who say,
00:18:22.86\00:18:25.27
"We're Christians,
we're followers of Jesus... "
00:18:25.33\00:18:26.67
but we're not... we're really
of the "synagogue of Satan"
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and the thing that I like about
"the synagogue of Satan" is this
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Satan is an
accuser of the brethren
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so in Revelation 12:11, to
be of the synagogue of Satan,
00:18:34.94\00:18:38.61
is to be an
accuser of the brethren...
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this is what they were doing,
00:18:40.82\00:18:42.15
they were ridiculing
and accusing... God's people
00:18:42.18\00:18:45.12
even though they professed
to be Christians and this is
00:18:45.15\00:18:47.09
exactly what happened
in the Millerite Movement.
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Ivor: Absolutely... absolutely
yeah, yes it's quite interesting
00:18:48.92\00:18:55.13
that I've got my
Strong's open here
00:18:55.16\00:18:58.57
and the word for "synagogue"
is assemblage of persons,
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the meeting or the place
00:19:02.80\00:19:06.71
by analogy of the
Christian church...
00:19:06.74\00:19:09.61
assembly...
congregation... synagogue...
00:19:09.64\00:19:12.28
remember where
this is all unfolding,
00:19:12.31\00:19:14.75
it's unfolding
within the context of the
00:19:14.78\00:19:17.15
"sides of the north...
the mount of the congregation"
00:19:17.19\00:19:21.42
and now here you
have this distinction
00:19:21.46\00:19:23.93
that God is about to make
between those who claim to be
00:19:23.96\00:19:26.90
of the synagogue of God
00:19:26.93\00:19:28.96
but are really not of the
mount of the congregation,
00:19:29.00\00:19:31.37
they're really of
the "synagogue of Satan,"
00:19:31.40\00:19:33.77
totally different synagogue
but claim that they are Jews
00:19:33.84\00:19:37.51
and so again you find this...
00:19:37.54\00:19:39.61
and so now there's this
distinction, as it were,
00:19:39.64\00:19:41.88
who is on God's side
00:19:41.94\00:19:45.05
and who is not... and
the only way to find that out
00:19:45.08\00:19:48.58
would be through
a judgment, right?
00:19:48.62\00:19:49.95
Yvonne: Hmmm... James: Right.
00:19:49.98\00:19:51.65
and so it's interesting because
00:19:51.69\00:19:53.56
if you go back to
Revelation chapter 6
00:19:53.59\00:19:55.79
and look at verse... verse 7...
00:19:55.82\00:20:00.66
or... in fact
we'll look at verse 15,
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"And the kings of the earth,
00:20:04.97\00:20:06.30
and the great
men, and the rich men,
00:20:06.33\00:20:07.67
and the chief
captains, and the mighty men,
00:20:07.70\00:20:09.20
and every bondman,
and every free man,
00:20:09.24\00:20:10.61
hid themselves in the dens and
in the rocks of the mountains;
00:20:10.64\00:20:13.54
And said to the
mountains and rocks,
00:20:13.58\00:20:14.91
Fall on us, and hide
us from the face of him
00:20:14.94\00:20:18.88
that sitteth on the throne,
and from the wrath of the Lamb:
00:20:18.91\00:20:22.72
For the great day
of his wrath is come;
00:20:22.78\00:20:25.29
and who shall be
able to... " what?
00:20:25.32\00:20:27.29
Yvonne: "stand"
00:20:27.32\00:20:28.66
Ivor: " to stand" that is
a very significant question,
00:20:28.69\00:20:31.66
"What shall be able to stand?"
00:20:31.69\00:20:33.93
If you hold your place
here and let's go over to...
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let me ask you to
find Psalm chapter 1,
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Psalm chapter 1 and
let's look at verse 5,
00:20:40.94\00:20:44.17
Jason, why don't you open
that up for us, Psalm 1 verse 5
00:20:44.21\00:20:48.68
because I'm not
getting it very fast,
00:20:48.71\00:20:52.75
here we go... Psalm 1 verse 5...
00:20:52.78\00:20:59.62
Jason: "Therefore the ungodly
shall not stand in the judgment,
00:20:59.65\00:21:03.83
nor sinners in the
congregation of the righteous. "
00:21:03.86\00:21:06.13
James: Okay...
00:21:06.19\00:21:07.53
Ivor: "The ungodly
shall not stand... "
00:21:07.56\00:21:10.20
James: "stand" I'm
circling that word right now.
00:21:10.23\00:21:12.93
Ivor: Where? They shall
not stand... in the what?
00:21:12.97\00:21:15.14
Yvonne: In the judgment...
00:21:15.17\00:21:16.57
Ivor: judgment and the
sinner shall not be where?
00:21:16.60\00:21:18.54
Yvonne: in the
congregation or the righteous.
00:21:18.57\00:21:19.91
Ivor: In the congregation.
do you see that? Two words...
00:21:19.94\00:21:22.88
congregation and judgment.
00:21:22.91\00:21:24.91
James: and "stand"
00:21:24.95\00:21:26.35
Ivor: And "stand"
right? Yvonne: Yeah, yeah.
00:21:26.41\00:21:28.05
Ivor: So this question is
really bringing our attention
00:21:28.08\00:21:31.89
to the fact of
a judgment, right,
00:21:31.92\00:21:35.09
and of the Mount
of the congregation,
00:21:35.12\00:21:38.29
and who will be able to stand?
00:21:38.33\00:21:40.80
So who were those
who were able to stand?
00:21:40.83\00:21:42.86
Those who make it
through the judgment
00:21:42.90\00:21:45.87
which then lets us
know that the judgment
00:21:45.93\00:21:48.87
has to have occurred some time
00:21:48.90\00:21:51.71
between the sixth
seal and the fifth seal
00:21:51.74\00:21:55.61
because in the fifth seal...
"How long before the judgment?"
00:21:55.64\00:21:59.31
Under the sixth seal...
"Who shall be able to stand?"
00:21:59.35\00:22:02.68
And then we're
going to find the answer
00:22:02.72\00:22:04.55
in Revelation 7... by-the-way...
00:22:04.59\00:22:07.66
if you look at
the Book of Ezekiel,
00:22:07.72\00:22:10.66
I did... I was doing a
word search on the word, "stand"
00:22:10.69\00:22:14.30
and I can't find anything with
"stand... " so I did... "stood"
00:22:14.33\00:22:16.50
I was like... here's a
story in the Book of Ezekiel,
00:22:16.53\00:22:20.57
Ezekiel chapter 37... it
is the valley of dry bones...
00:22:20.60\00:22:24.37
in the valley of dry
bones... guess what happens?
00:22:24.41\00:22:27.74
James: You have this
dead, dried... lifeless...
00:22:27.78\00:22:31.05
Ivor: Yeah... and the
Bible says that these dry bones
00:22:31.11\00:22:33.45
represent the what...?
00:22:33.48\00:22:34.82
James: The
whole house of Israel.
00:22:34.85\00:22:36.18
Ivor: How much? The
whole house of Israel,
00:22:36.22\00:22:39.62
the "mount of the
congregation," if you will
00:22:39.65\00:22:42.32
and something happens
with the Spirit of God
00:22:42.36\00:22:44.99
you know, Ezekiel
speaks and prophesies.
00:22:45.03\00:22:47.40
James: That's
what he does first.
00:22:47.43\00:22:48.76
Ivor: Yes.
00:22:48.80\00:22:50.13
James: That's what he
does... have you ever done that?
00:22:50.17\00:22:51.67
Have you ever
preached to people who are...
00:22:51.70\00:22:53.97
like they're dead, like
they're not listening...
00:22:54.00\00:22:56.47
like... can you
imagine going out in the field
00:22:56.50\00:22:58.91
and preaching
to a bunch of bums?
00:22:58.97\00:23:00.31
And see... that's what God...
and that's a faith venture
00:23:00.34\00:23:02.28
this is a faith venture,
00:23:02.31\00:23:03.95
what we're doing right
now is a faith venture,
00:23:03.98\00:23:06.31
we're
preaching... and we believe
00:23:06.35\00:23:07.85
that there are
people listening to us
00:23:07.88\00:23:09.35
we're studying and we're...
00:23:09.38\00:23:11.52
we're bringing
forth the Word of God,
00:23:11.55\00:23:12.89
we believe there are
people listening to us
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who may be like
that valley of dry bones
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and it seems like there's
no hope and Ezekiel says,
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he says, "So I prophesied
as I was commanded... "
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Ivor: Yes, because He even asked
"Ezekiel, can these bones live?"
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James: "You
know... I don't know...
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but I promise I'll
look at it," and behold...
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the Spirit of God moved on these
bones and bone came to bone
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and they were...
and they stood...
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Ivor: And they
stood... they stood...
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what does that "stand"
mean? They were resurrected,
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they were able to
stand before the Lord,
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so when this question is asked,
"Who shall be able to stand
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at the Second Coming of Christ?"
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Those who stand at the
second coming of Christ
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are those who have
made it through the judgment
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and what will be the result?
They will stand upon their feet
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out of the graves like an army,
they will be able to stand,
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in other words, the
righteous dead will be raised up
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while the wicked
are going to pay...
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they're not going to be able
to stand when He comes again
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so again, this Revelation
six... the sixth seal is kind of
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directing us...
bringing us into this crescendo
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to show us who are the ones
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that are going to be
able to stand, right,
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who are the ones
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that are going to make
it through the judgment?
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Who are the ones that are going
to come up out of the graves
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and be able to see
Christ face to face
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and that
introduces us to chapter 7...
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James: And it is...
it's good... it's good...
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I want to make this
point and bring this home
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to everyone too...
and that is... is that...
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those who will come
up out of the graves
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which is the most
significant application of this
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in the sense of
Revelation 7 which is to come...
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are those who seem to be
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dead in transgressions
and sins right now,
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those who may be
walking the earth right now
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and overwhelmed with
the fact that there's no way
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because the house of
Israel... Ezekiel is like...
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"there's no way, there's no
hope we've given up hope... "
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and you've got to understand...
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Ezekiel is prophesying when
his people were in captivity
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and yet Ezekiel prophesied...
prophesy is powerful
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then the Spirit of
the Lord came upon them,
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the Spirit of God is powerful,
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you may be dead in
trespasses and sins...
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we may have given up all hope
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but prophecy... God's Word...
the Spirit of God is powerful
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and it can
bring us back to life.
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Ivor: So... so...
what you have here...
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is the bread... it
was by the Word of God
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right, the Word...
Ezekiel prophesied the Word...
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and the Spirit came so
you got the "oil" as well
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and it was through the Spirit...
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through the
prophesying of the Word
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that these dead
bones came to life
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and God is showing
that those who stand
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in the mount of the
congregation on Mount Zion
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when this is all said and done
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were those who
overcame by the Word of God.
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James: All
right... quick summary...
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so we start here in
verse 12, we have the signs
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that are also in Matthew 24,
the sun... the moon... the stars
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the earthquake that
vindicate the Millerite Movement
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these were the signs
that they saw as vindication
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of the time in which we lived
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and they use that to
proclaim this message
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of the soon coming of
Christ, then you will transition
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right into the
second coming of Christ
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and between this
Millerite Movement
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and the second
coming of Christ...
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there's a work of judgment
that seemingly takes place
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and that's going to be
explained in Revelation 7
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those were the things I saw...
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but one of the things
that I wanted to point out here
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as a confirmation
of what we studied
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in relation to the four horses,
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is where it says in Revelation
chapter 6 and verse 15...
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"the kings of the earth,
the great men, the rich men,
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the chief
captains, the mighty men,
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every bondman,
every free man... "
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this is the whole earth,
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the four horses are
symbolic of everyone,
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north, south, east and west,
so this is just a confirmation
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that we're looking
at everyone right now
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it's coming to a
place of decision...
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valley of decision
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and what's going to bring them
to that decision on God's side
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is the white
horse and its rider...
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the everlasting
gospel... Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: Okay... what do
we have to tell people?
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Laughter...
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Jason: If they
have any questions
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they can send us an
e-mail at sss@3abn. org
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that's sss as in
Salvation in Symbols and Signs
00:27:25.47\00:27:29.41
@3abn. org
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James: Pray us out then...
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Jason: All right...
"Dear Heavenly Father,
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thank you again for a wonderful
day and a blessed study Lord,
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there is so much
information to remember
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that we need your help,
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we need your help to fully
comprehend what we're studying,
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and so much symbolism,
Lord, trying to keep up
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so I ask that you will
continue to be with us,
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continue to bless us
and continue to help us
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as we strive to understand
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the prophecy that
you have laid out for us,
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in Jesus' name we pray, amen. "
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All: "Amen... "
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James: So we're going to
pick up... we're not done...
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we're going to pick up right
now with the 7th... excuse me...
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the... Revelation chapter 7
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and what takes
place in the sealing time.
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Ivor: Hmmm...
hmmm... Jason: Amen...
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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