Okay we are in seal number
5, we've done the first four
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the four horses,
we've summarized it,
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we brought it
together, we've related it,
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we've done a
parallel to the parable,
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or parable...
parallel... and so...
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now we're in the fifth
seal and it's going to continue,
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it's not like we're
leaving the others behind...
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they're connected,
there's a connectivity here
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because history
connects and then, of course,
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the history
informs us through today
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so it's a beautiful picture
overall, so, as we get into this
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so, let's start with
a word of prayer, Jason,
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and then Yvonne if you
can read the verses for us
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and then we'll
just jump right in,
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Ivor will just give
us the interpretation.
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Yvonne: Sure...
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Jason: All right...
"Dear Heavenly Father,
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we ask that you'd be
with us as we study your Word
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help us to fully
understand what we're studying
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and to be able to
retain the information,
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in Jesus' name we pray, amen. "
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All: "Amen... "
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James: All
right... the fifth seal...
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Yvonne starts in
verse 9 of Revelation 6,
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Yvonne: How far?
James: To eleven.
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Yvonne: Okay,
through 11? James: Yeah.
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Yvonne: Okay, "And when
he had opened the fifth seal,
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I saw under the altar the
souls of them that were slain
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for the word of God,
and for the testimony
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which they held: and
they cried with a loud voice
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saying, How long, O
Lord, holy and true,
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dost thou not judge and
avenge our blood on them
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that dwell on the earth?
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And white robes were
given unto every one of them;
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and it was said unto
them, that they should rest
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yet for a little season,
until their fellowservants
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also and their brethren,
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that should be
killed as they were,
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should be fulfilled. "
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James: Amen... these
are some powerful verses,
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one of the things that we see
in the beginning of this picture
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in verse 9... is the altar,
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and we know that that altar
either represents the altar
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in the Courtyard of
the Sanctuary System,
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or the altar that
was in the Holy Place
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of the Sanctuary System,
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because it's not
called the the golden altar
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the golden altar was the
one that was in the Holy Place,
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we're inclined to understand
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that as being the
one in the Courtyard,
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but verse 2 actually
helps us out with that
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because verse two says
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that the souls that
are crying under the altar
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are crying out for vengeance
on them that dwell on the earth.
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So, this has to
do with the earth
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and the only altar that has
anything to do with the earth
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is the one in the Courtyard.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: Does anyone remember
what that altar represents
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in the Plan of Salvation,
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what happened at that
altar in the Jewish service
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that pointed forward to
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something that happened
in the Plan of Salvation?
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What was that altar all about?
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Yvonne: That's
where the lamb was slain.
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James: That's
where the lamb was slain,
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so what would that represent?
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Yvonne: Crucifixion.
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James: The crucifixion...
and Hebrews chapter 13
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verses 10
through 12 tells us that.
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Paul says, "We have an altar,
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that they have
no right to eat at
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which serve the tabernacle
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because Jesus was
sacrificed outside the gate. "
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So he's taking
that altar, he's saying,
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"that altar represents
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where Jesus was
sacrificed for our sins. "
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So, when it says
that these guys...
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that we heard
them under the altar,
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it doesn't mean that
they're under a literal altar,
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it doesn't mean that they
are in the literal Sanctuary
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in that... you know...
place that was set up for God.
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Ivor: And it doesn't
mean that they're in heaven.
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James: And it definitely
doesn't mean they're in heaven,
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it's telling us...
yeah, it's telling us
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that this
happened on the earth...
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and that altar
represents the cross
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so what that means is
these people died for Christ.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
these are martyrs...
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James: These are martyrs...
these are people that...
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in that... that's
the context of this,
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these are people
that gave their life
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because they refused to
give up their faith in Christ,
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they held to the
cross, they held to Calvary...
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they held to the blood, right,
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they didn't go
with the pale horse,
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they didn't go
with the black horse,
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they didn't compromise,
they weren't persecuted out,
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they held to the
blood, they held to the Lamb
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slain... that was
opening the seals...
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they held to the
Lamb... that white-horse rider,
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all right, what else
do we have in here, Ivor?
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Ivor: I think it's interesting
that the Bible points out here
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that they were slain...
verse... I believe it's...
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Yvonne: Nine?
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Ivor: Nine... "they were
slain for the Word of God. "
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James: Yes.
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Ivor: The Word of God...
the Word of God... right?
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James: Yes.
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Ivor: Right? And for the
testimony which they held
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so, put those two
things together...
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Word of God and
Testimony... it reminds us of
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the commandments of God...
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those who keep the
commandments of God
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and the faith of Jesus Christ
or the Testimony of Jesus Christ
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but remember where
the seals are unfolding,
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they're unfolding at
the Table of Shewbread,
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so the mention
here of the Word of God
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within this context,
again, just reaffirms to us
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that these are the
things that are surrounding
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the Table of
Shewbread... the Word of God
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and this battle for Satan
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to attempt to get the mount of
the congregation, God's people,
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to separate from the Word of God
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but here we have a group
of people who are saying,
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"Yeah, just...
just... you might as well then
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take my life because I'm not
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going to let go
of the Word of God
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and I'm not going to let
go of the blood of Christ
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and the testimony of Jesus... "
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now here's the
interesting thing,
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if we take the fifth seal...
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"You guys should
already be like... yeah...
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I know where he's going next,"
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so we take the fifth
seal and we want to know
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how can we check
what... you know...
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what we're looking for here, we
would want to go time-frame...
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we would go over... go
back to the fifth church
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the fifth church is
the church of Sardis,
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that is the
church of the reformation
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and we understand that
under the Sardis church
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people were being persecuted
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because of the Word of
God. James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: So when we're
looking at here... primarily...
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is that period of time
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that points us to the
Protestant Reformation
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and those who
are being persecuted
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through this Reformation
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but there's something else
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that I think is very
important to understand here and
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I'll just... let's take a look
at Genesis chapter 4 verse 10.
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James: Okay.
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Ivor: Genesis 4 verse
10, speaking of Abel...
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the Bible says,
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"And he said,
what hast thou done?"
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"The voice of thy brother's
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blood crieth unto
me from the ground. "
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James: Okay, so the context
of this... is Cain and Abel...
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the sons of Adam and Eve...
and they are told to worship God
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they're coming to
give offerings for God
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and Abel goes along
with what he's been told
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and he sacrifices a lamb...
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Cain, on the other hand,
decides to bring the fruits
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of his hands... the
works of his labor...
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and basically... Abel, you know,
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"that's not going to work"
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Cain says, "Don't
worry about me... "
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and then as they offer...
Cain's offering is rejected,
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Abel's offering is accepted
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and Cain gets
upset at his brother...
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and even though he's
remonstrating with him
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and loves him...
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Cain ends up getting so angry
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with him that he
kills his brother.
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Ivor: Persecution...
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James: Persecution...
and he kills his brother,
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there's the
person that's relying on
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the works of his own hands,
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rather than on the offering
of Jesus Christ and the Lamb...
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so the person who's
relying on his works...
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is killing the person
that's relying on Jesus,
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you see the connection now
to our timeline right here?
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Ivor: And... ah...
Cain was worshipping...
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James: Yes, he was a worshipper.
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Ivor: So it's
not like he was like,
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"I don't want
anything to do with God... "
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he brought a sacrifice,
so he was worshipping...
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much like we saw with this
pale horse who was supposedly
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worshipping... like...
this is... in the name of God,
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we're doing this
in the name of God
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but it was absolutely
against the will of God
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so... so... one of the
points that we need to see here
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is that "the blood of those
crying out under the altar"
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does not only
represent the Protestant...
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those who were persecuted during
the Protestant Reformation,
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but it really represents all
the way going back to Abel...
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in other words, it's not just...
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it wasn't just people in
the Protestant Reformation
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who symbolically are crying
out, "How long, O Lord... "
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this is taking us all the way
back to the very beginning...
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to the very first martyr
which is Abel which means
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the fifth seal... in a sense...
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starts all the way
from the beginning of time
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but brings us
down with an emphasis
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on the Protestant Reformation.
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James: I wouldn't say
"starts with the end of time,"
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I would say, "takes us to... "
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Ivor: Right... takes us back...
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James: It reminds us
of something that has been
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held off from Abel's time...
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something that's been
held off and held off...
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in fact, it even comes out
in the church where it says,
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"I gave her space to repent... "
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because what you have in
the Protestant Reformation is
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you have Martin Luther,
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you have Jerome
and Huss and Wycliffe,
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they're all part of the church,
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they don't want to
start another church,
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they're... they're remonstrating
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with their
brothers in the church...
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and their sisters in the church
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well, that's what Abel did
with Cain, he's remonstrating...
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"Hey, you know... you need to...
the lamb, the lamb, the lamb"
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and these... in the
church history right here,
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these guys... so...
really what God is doing is...
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he's connecting
this story right here...
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this fifth seal right here
to the story of Cain and Abel,
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it fits perfectly...
remonstrating, remonstrating...
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compromising... compromising...
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trusting in Jesus and
the blood of the Lamb,
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trusting in the
works of our own hands
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and notice what
happens, even in the story...
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after Cain slays
Abel... God comes to him...
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remonstrates with him
and then gives him time...
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gives him time...
doesn't kill him...
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but marks him...
gives him time...
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and so that's the same thing
that's happening right here.
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There's the
timeframe that's given,
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even when the
Reformers started preaching...
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God gave more
time... more time...
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before we have a deadly
wound that's inflicted in 1798
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and there's
time being given here
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for more of the Word of God,
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for those who are
going to be slain,
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for the testimony of
Jesus to draw, to draw but...
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there's an impending judgment,
there's an impending judgment
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that has to sit and white
robes need to be meted out.
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Ivor: Yes, so they're asking,
"How long... before you judge?"
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So, this tells us
something very important to get
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is that during this fifth seal,
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at some point
within this fifth seal,
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they're asking for judgment
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but judgment is not yet
being given, they're saying,
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James: "How long,
how long, how long?"
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Ivor: Yeah, how
long? How long? How long?
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which means, "How
long dost thou not judge?"
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Okay, so there
comes a transition where
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judgment does begin
and we see that in...
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in the next verse,
so the next verse reads,
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verse 11, "And white robes were
given unto every one of them;
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and it was said unto
them, that they should rest yet
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for a little season... " and
just remember that time period
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a little season...
James: Yes, yes God.
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Ivor: that's really good
news, I'm thinking about...
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and James, I think
you're thinking with me,
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we'll let you know...
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but that little
season is like "Wow!"
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okay, but... but...
so... so here it says,
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"white robes
were given unto them"
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now, white robes are a reward,
it signifies purification right?
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James: The
righteousness of Christ.
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Ivor: Righteousness of Christ,
okay, so the question is,
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"Why weren't white
robes given to them before?"
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I mean, Abel was
righteous, you know,
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think about all these guys that
died in the name of Christ...
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why weren't white
robes given to them,
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why is it that
after a certain time...
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now white robes
are given to them,
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and the answer...
is just profound...
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so, let's go over to
the Book of Zechariah,
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very quickly...
Zechariah chapter 3
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and... maybe I can have one
of you read from verses 1 to 4,
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Zechariah 3 verses...
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James: Zechariah is
hard to find but if you go to
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Matthew... the gospel of Matthew
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and you just go
back two books...
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you go Matthew,
Malachi, Zechariah.
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Ivor: Or if you have a
computer you can use E-Sword...
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Laughter...
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Yvonne:
Zechariah 3... from what?
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James: One to four...
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Yvonne: "And he shewed
me Joshua the high priest
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standing before
the angel of the Lord,
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and Satan standing at
his right hand to resist him.
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And the Lord said unto Satan,
The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan;
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even the Lord that hath
chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee:
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is not this a brand
plucked out of the fire?
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Now Joshua was
clothed with filthy garments,
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and stood before the angel.
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And he answered and spake unto
those that stood before him,
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saying, Take away the
filthy garments from him.
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And unto him he said,
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Behold, I have caused thine
iniquity to pass from thee,
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and I will clothe thee
with change of raiment. "
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Ivor: Okay, so, according
to what was just read, right,
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here you have Satan
accusing one of God's own...
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okay, and then at
some point God says,
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"Okay, I'm going to cause
your iniquity to pass from you
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and I'm going to
change your raiments... "
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so the change of
raiments would be connected with
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iniquity passing from
him, purification, cleansing...
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okay, so, we take
this back to Revelation
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and the saints are asking,
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"symbolically speaking"
because we know that...
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these aren't really
dead people speaking,
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this is symbolism...
what God is showing us...
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is that a judgment
process begins for the dead
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okay, a judgment
process begins for the dead
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in which a cleansing
or purification happens
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that allows God to
give them white robes...
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and that would point us
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to what we call the
Investigative Judgment.
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Yvonne: Huh... wow!
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James: But... and what's
really powerful about this...
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that judgment is not
taking place when Jesus returns,
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because even though they're
judged, they have to wait,
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so this double confirms
an Investigative Judgment
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because, if this
was the final judgment,
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where Jesus is coming,
there's a final judgment,
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then white robes are
given to every one of them
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and... boom... but it says,
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"But you must rest
a little bit longer,
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we're going to
Revelation 14 next, right,
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you must rest a
little bit longer
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till your brethren...
that should be killed as you
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whether they will or not
we'll see, will be fulfilled,
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there's a little bit
time left to be fulfilled,
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so here we have
this space of time
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from the beginning of
the Investigative Judgment
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until those final brethren
go through an experience
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and... and Jesus returns.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... Ivor: Yeah,
yeah James: So, it's incredible.
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Ivor: Yes, so the people here...
this is to signify to us that
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a judgment is coming,
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under the fifth
seal... no judgment...
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and then suddenly
they're given white robes
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but they're
told, "Wait a minute...
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there are others who are
to receive these white robes
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and be killed as well,
once that number is complete
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the end comes... "
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once the number is
complete, the end comes,
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now what's
interesting about this is,
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we're going to... I guess we
need to jump a little because
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when we understand that
the judgment occurred...
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the judgment begins with
the cleansing of the Sanctuary,
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right, that's the
process of the judgment
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and the everlasting
gospel begins to go forward,
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let's look at
Revelation chapter 14...
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James: Let me say it
this way. Ivor: Yeah.
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James: Revelation chapter
14 is the fourth enlargement...
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we got the seals, the trumpets
and the seven salvation signs
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so in Revelation chapter 14 now,
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we're just going
to jump into this,
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we're not going
to give the details
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but we're going
to jump into this
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and we're going to
show the connection now
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between Revelation
14 and this fifth seal,
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so in Revelation
14, we have the gospel
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which would correlate with this
white... I mean, excuse me...
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this... what does it
say there? White robes...
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the white robes... righteousness
of Christ or the gospel
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and then we have the
"hour of His judgment is come"
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okay, so that's
the judgment message
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and those messages
are 1840 to 1844...
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the three angels'
message is given...
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Yvonne: Is that
after the "little season?"
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Ivor: No...
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James: No, so... this is
starting the "little season"
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so you've got 1840 to 1844,
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you've got this
message being given,
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you've got the
judgment being opened
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and then you have a
little season coming after that
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and that's what
it says in verse...
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Ivor: Chapter 14 verse... 13?
James: Let's look at verse 12.
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Ivor: Okay, verse 12 is
the closing off of the...
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is the final part of
the Third Angel's message,
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it says, "Here's the
patience of the saints:
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here are they that keep
the commandments of God,
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and the faith of Jesus,"
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remember what they
are being persecuted for?
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The Word of God and the
Testimony of Jesus, right,
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and now watch this, so
the three angels' messages
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go together...
they goes simultaneously
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and right at the end of
the three angels' messages,
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right, I'm not
talking about in time...
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I'm speaking in terms of where
it's found in the Scripture,
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okay, right after
that in verse 13 it says,
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"And I heard a voice
from heaven saying unto me,
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Write, Blessed are the
dead which die in the Lord
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from henceforth:
Yea, saith the Spirit,
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that they may rest
from their labours;
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and their works
do follow them. "
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James: Yep.
00:17:16.83\00:17:18.17
Ivor: So before...
before this time period,
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the dead are
symbolically crying out,
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"Lord, when are
you going to judge...
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when are you going to judge,
when are you going to judge?"
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Rest... white
robes... and then you find here
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that when the
judgment message begins
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there's a blessing
to those who die now
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because they're not
crying out, "Lord how... "
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no... judgment is going on
now, so blood is not crying out,
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judgment is going on...
"Blessed are those who die
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so, between the fifth seal,
the ending of the fifth seal
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basically is pointing us to...
to the judgment that is to come
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which... in which all the
redeemed receive white robes.
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James: All those who were
dead and so what's happening is,
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in Revelation 5... excuse me...
in Revelation's 5th seal...
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you have the intimation,
white robes, the crying out,
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rest for a little season,
00:18:06.88\00:18:08.22
in Revelation 14,
it expands upon that,
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you have the everlasting gospel,
"the hour of judgment is come,"
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it didn't actually say that
00:18:12.75\00:18:14.39
in the fifth seal
but now it's saying it,
00:18:14.42\00:18:15.76
"the hour of judgment is come
00:18:15.79\00:18:17.13
and blessed are the
dead that die in the Lord"
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you'll receive white robes,
you'll rest a little while,
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blessed are those
that die in the Lord,
00:18:21.13\00:18:22.73
why? because they're
receiving white robes
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and they're
resting for a little while,
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you see, so the
connection is right there,
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the two are right there,
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now, going back to chapter
5, chapter 6 and the fifth seal,
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we're talking
about the Reformation era
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and what we're doing
now is we're moving from
00:18:36.44\00:18:39.38
Sardis into
Philadelphia in the fifth seal,
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we're moving from Sardis
which is the Reformation Era...
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the Reformers came
and they recovered what?
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The Word of God...
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the Morning Star of the
Reformation... John Wycliffe,
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and what did he do?
00:18:53.46\00:18:55.66
Translate the Bible
into the English language
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and they
recovered the Word of God
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and then it talks about
how the, in a loud voice...
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white robes are
talked about in verse 11,
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white robes would point to
the gospel of Jesus Christ,
00:19:05.94\00:19:09.51
the altar would point to
the gospel of Jesus Christ,
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what was the main
focus of the Reformers?
00:19:13.08\00:19:15.62
To preach the
gospel of Jesus Christ,
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then, as they moved on...
as we move on through history
00:19:18.15\00:19:21.79
these Reformers... they lived,
they contributed, they died,
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they lived, they
contributed, they died,
00:19:25.49\00:19:27.10
but the Reformation
didn't stop with them
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it went right into this Movement
called the "Millerite Movement"
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1840 to 1844...
the Millerite Movement
00:19:31.30\00:19:34.04
and that Movement,
00:19:34.07\00:19:35.77
is bringing us to
the time of judgment,
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the actual time of
judgment, and in that Movement,
00:19:38.21\00:19:41.04
we move into the next seal
which is going to help confirm
00:19:41.08\00:19:44.35
the timeframe of all of
this by giving us some other
00:19:44.38\00:19:46.92
yeah... confirming signs
in the sun, moon and stars.
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Ivor: So the Millerite
Movement would correspond then
00:19:49.85\00:19:51.99
with the sixth
church... Philadelphia.
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James: Yes, yes.
Ivor: Absolutely.
00:19:54.29\00:19:55.99
James: Yes, but
we're not there yet,
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we're still in the fifth
church, we're still in Sardis
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and we're still correlating
the symbols right here...
00:20:00.80\00:20:03.37
they're taking
place under the fifth seal
00:20:03.40\00:20:05.90
with Sardis and with, of course,
00:20:05.93\00:20:07.64
the future message of
the judgment, all right.
00:20:07.67\00:20:10.31
Yvonne: So, I have a
question, so, white robes...
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in this case... it's the gospel,
00:20:12.97\00:20:17.15
is it also the
righteousness of Christ?
00:20:17.18\00:20:19.98
James: It's the same
thing those are the same...
00:20:20.02\00:20:21.35
you just said the
same thing. Yvonne: Okay.
00:20:21.38\00:20:23.08
James: The gospel is
the righteousness of Christ.
00:20:23.12\00:20:24.79
Yvonne: Okay.
00:20:24.85\00:20:26.19
James: It is... it's the good
news of Christ our righteousness
00:20:26.22\00:20:27.62
that's the gospel so...
we're taking some liberty here
00:20:27.66\00:20:32.23
to expand these
phrases and see their worth,
00:20:32.26\00:20:36.70
you know, to
really spread them out
00:20:36.73\00:20:38.33
and then connect them
with all these different areas
00:20:38.37\00:20:40.70
in the Book of
Revelation, in the Old Testament
00:20:40.74\00:20:43.44
and show the fullness
of what this symbol is
00:20:43.47\00:20:46.04
because here's what's happening,
00:20:46.07\00:20:47.41
John is being given
the Book of Revelation
00:20:47.44\00:20:50.75
it is a
distillation of the entire Bible
00:20:50.78\00:20:54.08
only God could do that
00:20:54.12\00:20:55.62
so God takes 66 books...
well 65 without Revelation
00:20:55.65\00:21:00.02
and he takes those books
and he just says... kukushushu,
00:21:00.06\00:21:03.26
oooooh... Revelation
00:21:03.29\00:21:04.96
Ivor: he juices it down and...
00:21:04.99\00:21:06.33
James: He juices it down,
this is... this is juice...
00:21:06.36\00:21:08.76
I mean, that's a
good way to describe it,
00:21:08.80\00:21:10.93
so you just take a
little glass of that stuff
00:21:10.97\00:21:13.17
and you're just
powered for the whole day,
00:21:13.20\00:21:15.40
and so, every word has meaning,
00:21:15.44\00:21:17.91
every word has to be
uncapped and, "What's in there?"
00:21:17.94\00:21:21.58
wow! look at that...
you know... we unseal this
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and it's just all the
stuff coming out of here,
00:21:23.81\00:21:26.11
how do we do that? We go
to the rest of the Bible,
00:21:26.15\00:21:28.45
the New
Testament, the Old Testament,
00:21:28.48\00:21:30.39
you go to the rest of the Bible,
you look up these phrases,
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we make the connections
00:21:31.79\00:21:33.12
and we let it just
absorb into our minds
00:21:33.15\00:21:35.82
and so this is
what we're doing here...
00:21:35.89\00:21:38.59
is we're making
connections to the Old Testament
00:21:38.63\00:21:41.03
making connections
to the seven churches
00:21:41.06\00:21:43.13
and making connections forward
00:21:43.16\00:21:44.63
to areas we haven't gone yet,
00:21:44.67\00:21:46.07
because we haven't gone to
the seven salvation signs yet,
00:21:46.10\00:21:48.04
but when we get there,
we're going to see judgment,
00:21:48.07\00:21:50.17
when we get into the
00:21:50.21\00:21:51.57
seven salvation signs,
we're going to see white robes,
00:21:51.64\00:21:53.74
we're going to see the
connections we've made here
00:21:53.78\00:21:55.84
and again, God is just
going to repeat and enlarge,
00:21:55.88\00:21:57.68
repeat and
enlarge, repeat and enlarge
00:21:57.71\00:21:59.18
to give us a fuller picture.
00:21:59.21\00:22:00.72
Yvonne: Hmmm... so, I guess
a little recap would be good
00:22:00.75\00:22:06.05
just to make sure that it
kind of gets sealed in here.
00:22:06.09\00:22:09.42
James: Absolutely, yeah...
00:22:09.49\00:22:12.09
Yvonne: I think it would
be good for us to do a recap.
00:22:12.13\00:22:14.36
James: Let's do it Ivor.
00:22:14.40\00:22:16.26
Ivor: All right, so
you're going to recap.
00:22:16.30\00:22:17.63
Yvonne: Me?
00:22:17.67\00:22:20.54
James: No we got
to do that later,
00:22:20.57\00:22:22.87
you got to take notes
right now, take notes,
00:22:22.90\00:22:24.91
because it's coming
back to you, go for it.
00:22:24.94\00:22:26.88
Ivor: So, again, what we're
looking at with the fifth seal,
00:22:26.91\00:22:30.21
the fifth seal is going to
correspond with the fifth church
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it's going to point us to the
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time period of the
Protestant Reformation,
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it's going to bring us into the
understanding that a judgment
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was... there was a
judgment being asked for,
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when will this judgment occur?
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And then we see
that there's a time
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pre-judgment and then
the judgment beginning
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okay, we're going to
see that this judgment
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is going to begin with the dead,
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it begins with the souls
under the altar... and...
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James: That's why it says
their blood is crying out.
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Ivor: Yes. Yvonne: Hmmm...
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James: I mean, here, now
this is really interesting,
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I think it's a
really good point for us,
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here, it says that they
cried out with a loud voice
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but in Genesis chapter 4,
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it says that
Abel's blood cries out,
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and so that's the
clarification we need to have
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because we understand that
when you're dead, you're dead
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so... so... Genesis 4 is
instructing us what it means
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that "they're crying out... "
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they're dead and crying out
and then Genesis 4 tells us,
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"Wow! not only
does it tell us that,
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but it also has
these amazing correlations
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with the sequence
of history right here,
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because Cain
trusted in his works
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and that's what the
church has come to do
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and Abel trusted in the Lamb
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and that's what we've got
with the white horse rider,
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and you've got those
who trust in the blood
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and those who are pale,
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who don't trust in
any blood or whatever
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and they're
completely gospel-less
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and then when Abel realizes
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that Cain's sacrifice
isn't accepted by God,
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he demonstrates...
he... not demonstrates but he
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entreats his brother and
what does his brother do?
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He gets angry
with him and kills him
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so you got persecution,
a persecuting church,
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you got a compromising
church, a persecuting church
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a bloodless church
and then you've got
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Abel
representing the white horse
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and so the whole point
is when that voice says,
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"How long you're not judged"
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that takes us all the
way back to Cain's time
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that takes us
back to the beginning
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and that makes sense because
the judgment is inclusive
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even of Abel, the
judgment is inclusive,
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everyone all the
way from the beginning.
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Ivor: Absolutely, and
that's going to be crucial
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to understand when we
get into Revelation chapter 7
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but what's also interesting
is that Cain receives a mark
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because of his rebellion.
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James: Wow! how
about that? Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: How about
that? And as we... again...
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Yvonne: Oooooooh!
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Ivor: as we again move forward
in the Book of Revelation,
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we're going to see that
those who do as Cain did,
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are going to be marked,
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there's going to
be a death decree
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right, and those who actually
partake in that death decree,
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those who side
with that death decree,
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will be marked... will be marked
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and they'll be marked
for the same reason that...
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that... that Cain was marked,
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it was a sign of his
rebellion against God.
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Yvonne: Wow...
James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: And of course God
marked... the Bible says,
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"God marked Cain to
protect him as well"
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but you think about the
reason he received that mark...
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was because of his rebellion,
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it was because of an
evil action that he did
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so there is an
amazing parallel there as well
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and so again we
see this fifth seal...
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this fifth seal is
a pre-judgment seal
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letting us know that
there was a time of no judgment
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and now we will see
the judgment coming,
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white robes are given unto those
00:25:40.54\00:25:42.44
who are crying out for them,
00:25:42.47\00:25:44.31
they've been
just... they've been...
00:25:44.34\00:25:46.24
their iniquity...
something about their iniquity
00:25:46.27\00:25:49.44
has been blotted out
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which is what the cleansing
of the Sanctuary is all about.
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James: Yes, and
that... and that...
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and then a double
confirmation of this,
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"rest for a little season,"
00:25:58.15\00:25:59.82
so this isn't happening
right when Jesus comes,
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you see, they've
still got to rest,
00:26:02.22\00:26:04.33
there's still going
to be some persecution,
00:26:04.36\00:26:06.03
yeah, there's still going to
be some persecution coming up
00:26:06.09\00:26:08.20
so they're still sleeping,
00:26:08.23\00:26:09.83
and there's still
some time coming up,
00:26:09.86\00:26:12.27
where there's other brethren
that are faithful to God,
00:26:12.30\00:26:14.70
that are holding
to the white horse
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and its rider that
are following Christ,
00:26:16.30\00:26:18.01
there's still some...
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some persecution
that's going to take place,
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it's going to put
them in the same situation.
00:26:20.98\00:26:22.94
Ivor: For those who
keep the commandments of God
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and have the
testimony of Jesus Christ,
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so, blessed are they who
die in this time period...
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when the judgment is going on
because they're not crying out,
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"How long before you judge?"
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No, white robes
are being given to them
00:26:35.59\00:26:38.43
in preparation for the
second coming of Christ.
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James: All right,
our time is almost up
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and we need to tell people
00:26:44.23\00:26:45.97
where they can
send their questions.
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Yvonne: sss@3bn. org
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James: You know Jason,
00:26:50.34\00:26:53.17
you've been taking some
furious notes here brother,
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we've been
talking, talking, talking...
00:26:55.28\00:26:56.98
and you've been
writing, writing, writing...
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so, when we come
back for the quiz,
00:26:59.18\00:27:01.25
we know who to turn
to... we know who to turn to,
00:27:01.28\00:27:04.12
close us out with a
word of prayer, would you?
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Jason: All right,
"Dear Heavenly Father,
00:27:06.79\00:27:08.89
we thank you for another
day of studying your Word,
00:27:08.92\00:27:11.99
thank you for allowing
Pastor Rafferty and Pastor Myers
00:27:12.03\00:27:15.16
to break this down for us in
a form that we can understand
00:27:15.20\00:27:18.33
and hopefully, we
will be able to repeat
00:27:18.37\00:27:20.97
in the next Program,
please be with us as we depart
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and help us to
retain what we've studied
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in Jesus' name we pray, amen. "
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All: "Amen... "
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James: Now we're seeing
this connection right here
00:27:31.01\00:27:32.45
we're seeing that
we've got these four horses
00:27:32.48\00:27:35.82
that take us
from the Apostolic Age
00:27:35.85\00:27:38.29
all the way
through to the Dark Ages,
00:27:38.32\00:27:40.69
the persecution, the
compromise, the Dark Ages
00:27:40.72\00:27:42.56
which leads to a
misrepresentation...
00:27:42.59\00:27:44.49
misrepresentation
of God's character,
00:27:44.53\00:27:46.63
and therefore,
eventually to Atheism
00:27:46.66\00:27:48.70
and then we see the
judgment and we're going to move
00:27:48.73\00:27:51.33
right from this seal
00:27:51.37\00:27:52.87
and we're going to go
right into the sixth seal
00:27:52.90\00:27:54.34
and make the
connection between those two
00:27:54.37\00:27:55.77
and that's going to be fun.
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