Okay, we are still in
Revelation chapter 6...
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we are going to summarize
the message of the four horses
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and then we're going to
look at an incredible parable
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that parallels... a
parable that parallels...
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a parallely parable...
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All: laughter...
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Jason: Tongue twister...
Yvonne: A tongue twister...
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James: I just say a lot...
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so we're going to
look at the four horses
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in relation to a
parable that Jesus gave
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in Matthew chapter 13
of the sower and the seed
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and we're going to see
some incredible connections
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that take place there, so this
is just a summary... I'm just...
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I'm believing that as
we've gone through this
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you guys have said,
"Yeah, that makes sense
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yeah that makes sense,
yeah that makes sense...
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let me rephrase the white horse,
let me rephrase the red horse,
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let me rephrase this dark horse,
let me rephrase the pale horse
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and just summarize a couple
of points that I got out of that
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and then we'll just blow it up
with this parable... parallel...
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okay, let's start
with a word of prayer,
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Jason, pray for us would you?
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Jason: Sure,
"Dear Heavenly Father,
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thank you for another
chance to study your word, Lord,
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please be with us, lead
and guide our discussion
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as we go over Revelation,
in Jesus' name we pray, amen. "
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All: "Amen... "
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James: Okay, so
we've got this white horse
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coming forth in the first seal,
it goes forth... it says...
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"and he that sat
on him had a bow;
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a crown was given unto him,
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he went forth
conquering, and to conquer,"
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give us a couple of sentences
on that, tell us what it means.
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Jason: So the white
horse has to do with Christ
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and His people and so
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when it says
"conquering and to conquer"
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so when Christ... when you
accept Christ into your life
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and He takes over...
and it's a daily surrender
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and so He continues to conquer.
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James: Amen...
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Jason: Then... we
have the black horse...
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James: Wait right
there... no, no, no, no, no...
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you're pulling out there,
you're on a roll aren't you?
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We've got to
interrupt that roll...
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we're going to
interrupt that roll
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and we're going into the
red horse and it says here,
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in Revelation
chapter 6 and verse 4,
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"And there went out
another horse that was red:
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and power was given
to him that sat thereon
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to take peace from the earth,
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that they should
kill one another:
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and there was given
unto him a great sword. "
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Yvonne: What did
I do with my notes,
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I'm looking for my
notes here feverishly...
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James: Awww... you
don't need notes...
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Yvonne: Awww see, easy
for you all to say, I know,
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well, the bottom
line is that that red...
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equals the dragon
or persecuting power
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and it also, we think of
red... we think of blood...
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we think of the
blood of the saints,
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we think of the church
that is associated with...
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with this horse... or
the... corresponding...
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and that would by
Smyrna, right, and that...
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there was
persecution with Smyrna...
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and so, that's what we think of
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when we think of
the red... that power...
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and... you know
what's interesting to me,
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you guys... too... is
that the correlation here
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with the Sanctuary,
the Table of Shewbread...
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the "sitting on the north...
" because the great controversy
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between God and
Satan is ever present
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in these verses to me
so when we're looking for
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the great controversy
also in the verses we see
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that... you know... the
red... equals the dragon
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and persecuting
the people of God...
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so to me... that's very...
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James: Yeah, trying to
take the place of God...
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trying to take the seat of God,
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trying to be in
the sides of the north
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and get the
people to his side...
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and he uses
persecution to do that,
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that's one of the first
ways he uses to do that,
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okay, what's our next horse,
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can you read the
next verse for us, Ivor?
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Black horse...
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Ivor: 6:5... it says,
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"And when he had
opened the third seal,
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I heard the third
beast say, Come and see.
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And I beheld,
and lo a black horse:
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and he that sat on him had a
pair of balances in his hand.
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And I heard a voice in the
midst of the four beasts say,
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A measure of wheat for a penny,
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and three measures
of barley for a penny,
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and see thou hurt not
the oil and the wine. "
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James: All right,
Jason, what you got?
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Jason: Man! see we should have
done this, like two minutes ago.
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All: Laughter...
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Jason: All right, So the black
horse represents compromise
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and false balances
and then you have...
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it says the wheat and barley
represented the bread of life
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which is the Word of God
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and for a penny...
which I believe we stated that
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that was like a day's
wages so it made it hard
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for people to
get the Word of God
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and there was like a famine
pretty much, that's what I got.
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James: Good stuff... and
oil and wine representing
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those who were
filled with the Holy Spirit
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trusting the blood
of Christ they were...
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and that's going to
take us into the pale horse
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because you got
people trusting the blood
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and the pale horse
comes and looks like it's...
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Yvonne, what does
it look like, tell us.
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Yvonne: okay...
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James: Oh, let's
read the verse first...
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Yvonne: Okay... you want me
to read it? James: Go ahead...
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Yvonne: So we're in
Revelation 6 verse 8,
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"And I looked, and
behold a pale horse:
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and his name that
sat on him was Death,
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and Hell followed with him.
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And power was given unto them
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over the fourth
part of the earth,
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to kill with
sword, and with hunger,
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and with death, and with
the beasts of the earth. "
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More? James: That's it.
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Yvonne: Okay...
so the pale horse
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I had never
thought about this before
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when I read the pale
horse, why was he pale?
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What did that represent?
But... you brought out that
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it represents... you know
when you think of somebody
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that's pale... you think
of the absence of blood...
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so there's the
absence of blood in this horse
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that indicates the
blood of Jesus being not...
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people weren't
applying the blood of Jesus
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for righteousness so...
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the blood of Jesus was not in
this horse so people were not...
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they were not using or
applying the blood of Jesus,
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so this led... if
the blood is withdrawn...
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because we know that
the life is in the blood,
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right, where it says...
if the blood is withdrawn...
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now, that leads to
us... not us... them...
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not being willing to acknowledge
God... leading to Atheism
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so, we look at this whole
thing as... this period...
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that was the dark
ages, that led into
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Atheism. James:
Amen, and that's...
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and another connection there,
of course, is death and hell
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so death and hell is
connected with that because
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as the blood is
removed... you got it...
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Yvonne: That's major... and
I... that shouldn't be left out
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because again, it
is a misrepresentation
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of God's character to
take away the blood of Jesus
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and to use death and hell
as a way... as subterfuge...
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it's a way to trick
people into thinking that
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God is... God
is... a cool tyrant...
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and so, death and
hell... the pale horse...
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on that pale horse
sat death and hell.
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James: Oh yes...
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Ivor: I think something that's
really, really significant is...
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and the Bible says,
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"Greater love
has no man than this,
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that he lay his
life down for his friend.
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God so loved the world
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that He gave His
only begotten Son... "
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that blood is really the
most potent representation
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of the love of God, so
when the love is removed,
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when the blood is removed,
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you have a picture of
a God who is a tyrant,
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who is just...
want to be afraid of...
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not want to love and
that's the picture that this
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pale horse is
presenting of God...
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"Look, there's no
blood, there's no love,
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yet, God is the kind of
God that will do this forever,
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you know, that
will burn you forever,
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and one of the things
that we were just talking about
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is the fact that when you
look at these last two horses,
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the black horse
and the pale horse...
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I bet that it was during
the period of the black horse
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that we have
instituted the first Sunday Law,
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Sunday sacredness...
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and under the fourth
seal... the fourth horse,
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we have this issue of
the state of the dead...
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so, these are the
two great errors...
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Sunday sacredness and
the state of the dead...
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that apostate Christianity
uses to deceive the world.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Ivor: I'm going to find
those two issues coming back
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as we move further in
the Book of Revelation
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so it's just very interesting
that under these two seals...
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these are the two
things that are made prominent,
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the changing of the
Sabbath and the balance between
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Sabbath and
Sunday... "let's compromise"
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and the teaching
of death and hell.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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James: And this is why
it's so important for us
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to be able to apply
these symbols in history
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because you can look
at the symbols and you go,
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"Where is the Sabbath in
the dark horse right there?"
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What we're doing
is, we're showing
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that in the
churches and in the seals
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and in the trumpets we're
looking at epochs of history,
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these histories in succession
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and when we go back
to this historical time,
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in... for example...
the time of Constantine,
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we see in history... a
change in our Sabbath to Sunday
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and that reminds us that
wow! that's when that took place
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and therefore this
black horse represents a time
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when the Sabbath
was changed, okay,
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an attack on the Sabbath
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and then we go to the history
following that and we see...
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oh, this is the
time... the church brought in
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this misunderstanding of hell,
this misunderstanding of death,
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yes, and these
ideas really from...
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a lot of it from
Greek thinking...
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of... the ended up becoming
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a total misrepresentation
of God's character
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which led people to just
turn away from God... Atheism,
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"Oh, this is the
basis for spiritualism...
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this is the basis for
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misunderstanding
the state of the dead,
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oh, these are two
great errors in history
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that are symbolized
here in these horses,
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in history we see this
phrase, we see the connection,
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oh yeah... and then
we get back into the...
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over into the end of the
Book of Revelation, we have...
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what's going to come out?
It's going to come this way,
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it's going to say in
Revelation chapter 14,
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"All nations are drunk
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of the wine of the
wrath of her fornication... "
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Okay, "Oh, what's the wine
of the wrath of fornication?"
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In her cup she has a...
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in her hand she has a
cup filled with wine...
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"What is that wine?" Wine
is doctrines... teachings,
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in that context...
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Ivor: The wine is a counterfeit
of the blood of Christ,
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James: Yes! the blood
of Christ, the wine...
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Ivor: It's a false covenant
that they have partaken of
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it's a false
understanding of who God is
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His character... His
love... His covenant.
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James: And so, right
now, someone's listening...
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they're watching this,
they're listening to this
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so if someone's had a
Bible Study and they said,
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"Oh," like me... "Sunday,
that's always been the day... "
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"Well, it's not in the Bible. "
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"It's not in the Bible,
where did it come from?"
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"Oh! history...
you see... history... "
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you have to go back to history,
when we go to history...
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we find, "Oh, Constantine...
" "Where is that?" "Right here,"
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you see... we
make the connection,
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God is giving us the
connection right here...
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He's not giving it to us
once in the churches, you know,
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He's not giving it to
us twice in the seals...
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He's not giving it to us
three times in the trumpets
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He has given it
to us four times,
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five times even when you go
to Daniel, six, seven, eight,
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you know, because Daniel talks
about changing times and laws
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"and then it will come...
" and so we've got this...
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just this... layer
after layer after layer,
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reaffirmation,
reaffirmation, reaffirmation...
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so when we lay
all these layers out
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and we look at history
and check it all out...
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all this comes down,
comes down, comes down...
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it's a powerful picture.
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Ivor: So, what you need to
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understand in the
Book of Revelation
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is you need to have the
understanding of history,
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once you have the
understanding of history,
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you just... you study
the Book of Revelation
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and I say, "Where does
this fall in history? What... "
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and that's why the Historicists'
method of interpreting
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the Book of
Revelation is so important
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because history verifies...
with these other Schools...
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Futurism... you
have... you're just guessing
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"this may happen... and
we think this will happen...
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and it may happen here or... "
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you're basically left in the
dark and you're just guessing.
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Ivor: Preterism...
there is no history,
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it's just all
in the past, and so
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this is just another reason why
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it's crucial
for us to understand
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that without Historicism,
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you cannot understand
the Book of Revelation.
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James: Preterism is a
little bit of history...
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Ivor: A little bit...
but it's all in the past.
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James: Yeah, there's
no process, no succession.
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Ivor: Yes.
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Yvonne: For those who did
not see the former programs
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about Historicism, what is it?
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James: Historicism is a way we
approach the Book of Revelation
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by saying that it's
past, present and future,
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so God introduces Himself
in the Book of Revelation,
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"I am He that is... that
was... and is to come... "
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that's past, present and future,
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"write those things
which you have seen,
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the things which are and the
things which must be hereafter"
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That's Revelation
chapter one verse 19...
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Revelation chapter
one, I think it's verse 9...
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and Revelation one verse 4,
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so all of those
verses are showing us
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in the
introduction to Revelation
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how the Book of
Revelation is to be understood
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because John says
that he was shown things
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which must shortly come to pass,
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well, that goes all
the way back to his time...
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and that's the Apostolic Age,
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well, now we know that
there are things in Revelation
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that have to do
with the end of time,
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so you've got things that
are happening in John's time,
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things that are
happening in the end of time,
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what about in between?
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Absolutely, you're
looking at Revelation and going,
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"Oh yeah, look at that...
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that's the history
that took place here,
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and that's... this... " so
you see... that's Historicism
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looking at the
whole... in other words...
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sometimes we look
at Historicism and say,
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"Oh, you're saying
everything's in the past... "
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no, that's Preterism...
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Historicism allows
past, present and future,
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and the reason why I
think it is the best way
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other than the
fact that it's based on
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the introduction to Revelation
is that it includes Futurism,
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it includes Preterism,
it even includes idealism
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and Idealism is the theological
term that... that is used for
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what we've been
talking about when we say,
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"This history has application
to us in principle... "
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taking the history and learning
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the principles that
apply to us is Idealism,
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in other words... Idealists'
approach to Revelation...
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they don't care about
History at all... they just say,
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"Oh, there's a principle
there that applies to us today,
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there's a principal there
that applies to us today... "
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Ivor: We need to
live with the white horse,
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we need to have our lives...
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we need to go out
and spread the gospel,
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but it's all, "How does it deal
with me personally, not... "
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James: Not the history at
all. Yvonne: Okay, okay...
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James: So, all of
that is in Historicism,
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okay, we got to
move to Matthew 13,
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this is so
beautiful, so powerful,
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Jesus Christ is
teaching here, okay,
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and He's teaching...
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and I'm just going
to give an overview,
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He's teaching a
parable to His disciples
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and in that parable...
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which is called the Parable
of the Sower and the Seed,
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He's talking about how the
Word of God is going to be sown
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in all of the world, okay, now,
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given that basic understanding
00:15:14.78\00:15:17.45
of the parable of
the sower and the seed,
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I'm going to ask you guys,
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knowing the parable of
the sower and the seed,
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the sower goes out to seed
and he seeds in this ground,
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how many types of
ground that he sow seed into?
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Ivor: Four...
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James: How many horses
are there? All: Four...
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James: Four... okay...
when the sower sows seed,
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how many of those grounds
end up being good grounds?
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All: One...
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James: One... how many
of the horses are good?
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All: One...
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James: Okay...
as he's sowing seed,
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how many of those four grounds
end up being bad grounds?
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Jason and Yvonne: Three.
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James: Three... how
many bad horses are there?
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Jason and Yvonne: Three.
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James: See... so what
you have here... you have
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a perfect connection
between what Christ is teaching
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in Matthew 13...
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and what Christ is
teaching John in Revelation 6,
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now who opens the
seals? Yvonne: Christ...
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James: The Lamb opens the
seals, Christ opens the seals,
00:16:00.76\00:16:02.86
so He's opening
these mysteries, right,
00:16:02.89\00:16:05.06
He's opening these mysteries...
00:16:05.09\00:16:06.43
things that people
can't understand...
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that's what He's
opening, so, with that in mind,
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read Matthew 13...
and I want you to read
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verses... to start
with... verses 13... 15 and 16
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just those two verses,
or, excuse me, 15 to 17...
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Yvonne: You want
Jay to read or me?
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James: Yes...
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Yvonne: That was very
diplomatic, by the way...
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Jason: "For this
people's heart is waxed gross,
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and their ears
are dull of hearing,
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and their eyes they have closed;
00:16:36.59\00:16:38.29
lest at any time they
should see with their eyes,
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and hear with their ears,
00:16:42.66\00:16:44.00
and should
understand with their heart,
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and should be converted,
and I should heal them.
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But blessed are
your eyes, for they see:
00:16:48.84\00:16:51.77
and your ears, for they hear.
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For verily I say unto you,
00:16:53.64\00:16:55.38
That many
prophets and righteous men
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have desired to see
those things which ye see,
00:16:57.58\00:17:00.72
and have not seen them;
and to hear those things
00:17:00.75\00:17:03.85
which ye hear, and
have not heard them. "
00:17:03.89\00:17:05.85
James: And the
next verse, sorry.
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Jason: "Hear ye therefore
the parable of the sower. "
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James: Okay, do you
get what's happening here?
00:17:10.69\00:17:12.83
This is
Jesus... and He's saying,
00:17:12.86\00:17:14.76
"People can't understand
what I just said to you,
00:17:14.80\00:17:17.17
because they
don't really want to,
00:17:17.20\00:17:18.90
they don't really
want to be converted
00:17:18.93\00:17:20.60
but you guys... blessed ye... "
00:17:20.64\00:17:22.80
now, where do we
find another blessing?
00:17:22.84\00:17:24.24
Yvonne: Matthew 5?
00:17:24.27\00:17:26.91
Jason: Revelation, is it
the first... first chapter?
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James: Yes...
"Blessed is he that readeth,
00:17:29.01\00:17:30.68
and keep those
things... blessed are you...
00:17:30.71\00:17:32.48
many righteous men
have wanted to see this
00:17:32.51\00:17:34.08
now I'm going to tell you, I'm
going to unseal it for you. "
00:17:34.12\00:17:36.38
Ivor: Come and see...
00:17:36.42\00:17:37.75
James: Come and see...
come and see, come and see...
00:17:37.79\00:17:40.29
it's the same thing...
okay, in other words...
00:17:40.32\00:17:42.82
Jesus is on the earth
He's walking on earth...
00:17:42.86\00:17:44.79
He's getting inspired...
and people aren't getting it,
00:17:44.83\00:17:47.03
so then when He's
summarizing the entire Bible
00:17:47.06\00:17:49.23
and the gospel and salvation,
He gets these four horses
00:17:49.26\00:17:51.70
and people are like,
"oooh... what are those?
00:17:51.73\00:17:53.64
oooh let's check
this out... " see...
00:17:53.70\00:17:56.20
it's curiosity that
draws us and as we're drawn...
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then Jesus unfolds the gospel
of salvation all over again,
00:17:59.11\00:18:02.18
see that's His point,
00:18:02.21\00:18:03.55
it's not some
mysterious, terrible war,
00:18:03.58\00:18:05.58
it's the gospel of
salvation, it's a war...
00:18:05.61\00:18:07.72
but it's the
gospel of salvation...
00:18:07.75\00:18:09.32
the war... the conflict...
between good and bad...
00:18:09.35\00:18:12.29
okay, now, let's
just read and as we read,
00:18:12.32\00:18:16.02
Ivor, read these verses for us
00:18:16.06\00:18:17.46
and as you read... I want
these guys to identify for us
00:18:17.49\00:18:20.73
what horse connects with each
one of these types of ground.
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Jason: Okay, so I'll
start with verse 19...
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and it says, "When anyone
heareth the word of the kingdom
00:18:26.00\00:18:29.17
and understandeth it not,
then cometh the wicked one,
00:18:29.20\00:18:32.14
and catcheth away that
which was sown in his heart.
00:18:32.17\00:18:35.34
This is he which
received seed by the way side. "
00:18:35.38\00:18:38.48
James: Okay,
misunderstanding God,
00:18:38.51\00:18:40.65
what force generates a
misunderstanding of God?
00:18:40.68\00:18:44.12
Okay, read verse 20.
00:18:44.15\00:18:48.49
Jason: "But he that received
the seed into stony places,
00:18:48.52\00:18:52.39
the same is he
that heareth the word,
00:18:52.43\00:18:54.33
and anon with joy receives it;
00:18:54.36\00:18:56.50
Yet hath he not root in himself,
but endures for a while:
00:18:56.53\00:19:00.24
for when tribulation
or persecution arises
00:19:00.27\00:19:03.14
because of the word, by
and by he is offended. "
00:19:03.17\00:19:05.67
James: Okay, what horse connects
00:19:05.71\00:19:07.41
with
tribulation and persecution?
00:19:07.44\00:19:10.48
Yvonne: Three...
is it the third horse?
00:19:10.51\00:19:13.48
Oh persecution...
that's the one, I get it,
00:19:13.52\00:19:16.38
um... the red horse...
00:19:16.45\00:19:18.65
James: The red
horse... all right,
00:19:18.69\00:19:20.06
so we got one horse
hooked up right now, right,
00:19:20.09\00:19:23.36
red horse is the sowing
of the seed in this ground
00:19:23.39\00:19:26.70
where we have tribulation
and persecution coming up,
00:19:26.73\00:19:30.00
all right... next
verse... verse 22...
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Jason: Verse 22... "He
also that receives seed
00:19:33.50\00:19:35.97
among the thorns is
he that hears the word;
00:19:36.00\00:19:38.37
and the cares of this world,
and the deceitfulness of riches,
00:19:38.41\00:19:43.24
chokes the word, and
he becomes unfruitful. "
00:19:43.28\00:19:48.38
Jason: I would say that
that's the black horse...
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James: That's the black horse...
you've got the world coming in
00:19:53.49\00:19:56.73
you've got the
world choking out...
00:19:56.76\00:19:58.69
okay, let's go to verse 23.
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Jason: "But he that received
seed into the good ground
00:20:02.26\00:20:05.43
is he that hears the
word, and understands it;
00:20:05.47\00:20:08.20
which also beareth
fruit, and bringeth forth,
00:20:08.24\00:20:11.74
some an hundredfold,
some sixty, some thirty. "
00:20:11.77\00:20:14.34
James: Okay. Yvonne:
That's the white horse.
00:20:14.38\00:20:16.85
Ivor: That's the white horse.
James: So what horse is left?
00:20:16.91\00:20:18.45
Jason: The pale horse...
00:20:18.48\00:20:19.81
James: And the pale horse is
all about misrepresenting God,
00:20:19.85\00:20:23.15
misunderstanding
God... see that?
00:20:23.18\00:20:25.65
Jason: Now the pale
horse is that like...
00:20:25.69\00:20:28.22
salvation by works...
00:20:28.26\00:20:30.66
James: Yes, absolutely,
and so is the black one
00:20:30.69\00:20:34.23
and so is the red one,
what's really interesting...
00:20:34.26\00:20:37.80
when you get to the trumpets,
00:20:37.83\00:20:39.17
we're going to have a
revelation of all these "isms"
00:20:39.20\00:20:42.17
Judaism... Paganism... Islam...
Catholicism... all... Atheism...
00:20:42.20\00:20:48.11
all these "isms... " but they
all have one things in common
00:20:48.14\00:20:50.25
all of them have a basis...
00:20:50.28\00:20:52.45
are based on the
foundation of future merit.
00:20:52.51\00:20:54.52
The only way you can
get out of that foundation
00:20:54.55\00:20:58.15
in any religious institution
or teaching... is grace...
00:20:58.19\00:21:01.52
grace is the unique ingredient
00:21:01.56\00:21:04.79
that is brought to us in
the gospel of Jesus Christ,
00:21:04.83\00:21:08.16
unmerited favor... and when...
as soon as you stir from grace,
00:21:08.20\00:21:11.43
as soon as you pervert grace,
as soon as you change grace,
00:21:11.50\00:21:14.70
as soon as you mess with grace,
00:21:14.74\00:21:16.07
you undermine the
gospel completely,
00:21:16.10\00:21:17.84
because...
because unmerited favor
00:21:17.87\00:21:19.77
motivates the heart,
00:21:19.81\00:21:21.14
unmerited favor just
takes hold and captivates us...
00:21:21.18\00:21:23.65
captivates us...
takes us prisoner.
00:21:23.68\00:21:26.38
Ivor: I'm going
to share something
00:21:26.41\00:21:28.68
that I think is
really interesting
00:21:28.72\00:21:30.95
in terms of this sower...
you know the sower is Christ
00:21:30.99\00:21:34.32
and as I've read
this parable, you know,
00:21:34.36\00:21:37.46
if you want to be efficient in
seed sowing... what do you do?
00:21:37.49\00:21:41.56
You're going to put the seed
00:21:41.60\00:21:43.60
where it's going
to produce fruit,
00:21:43.63\00:21:45.57
but I've read
this... I'm like...
00:21:45.60\00:21:48.10
"Why does the sower allow seed
00:21:48.14\00:21:50.61
to fall on these
different grounds?"
00:21:50.64\00:21:53.14
The seed is the
Word of God, okay
00:21:53.17\00:21:55.61
and to me it just
says, "You know what?
00:21:55.64\00:21:58.08
To Christ it doesn't matter
whatever condition you are in,
00:21:58.11\00:22:00.42
he's going to
throw that seed... "
00:22:00.45\00:22:02.65
and here's how we know
00:22:02.68\00:22:04.45
that Satan is
deathly afraid of the seed
00:22:04.49\00:22:06.89
because look
right there in verse...
00:22:06.92\00:22:10.13
verse 19... "When
anyone heareth the word
00:22:10.19\00:22:13.03
of the kingdom and
understandeth it not,
00:22:13.06\00:22:15.90
then cometh the wicked one
00:22:15.93\00:22:17.40
and catches away
that which was sown
00:22:17.43\00:22:20.24
in his heart... " and
if you go back over...
00:22:20.27\00:22:22.67
just look at verse... let's see,
verse four, I believe it is,
00:22:22.70\00:22:28.04
verse 3... "And
he spake many things
00:22:28.08\00:22:31.05
unto them in a parable, saying,
00:22:31.11\00:22:32.45
Behold, a sower
went forth to sow:
00:22:32.48\00:22:33.82
And when he sowed, some
seeds fell by the way side,
00:22:33.85\00:22:36.72
and the fowls came
and devoured them up... "
00:22:36.75\00:22:39.52
so here's the question,
00:22:39.55\00:22:40.89
if the seed falling
on the wayside means,
00:22:40.92\00:22:43.53
"Oh yeah,
nothing's going to happen"
00:22:43.56\00:22:44.89
why wouldn't the fowls
just leave the seed alone?
00:22:44.93\00:22:47.06
Why wouldn't
they just... "oh... "
00:22:47.10\00:22:49.13
no... but the devil is so afraid
of what the Word of God can do
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even when it
falls by the wayside
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that he'll come and snatch
it, he'll come and snatch it...
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he can't run the risk
of these wayside hearers,
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these stony
ground... because guess what...
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before we came to the Lord,
we were one of these grounds,
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All: Hmmm... yes...
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Ivor: We weren't good
like... "I am good... " no...
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I was a stony... we
were stony hearers...
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we were one of
these other grounds
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and the seed was able
to penetrate that ground
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and turn us into the...
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James: The Word
of God is powerful.
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Ivor: Exactly, so... none of
us are born on a white horse,
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right... we come
into this world...
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it's just like... you know...
okay, we're dealing with red...
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we're dealing... we hate...
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we're dealing
with anyone of these...
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James:
Compromise... Ivor: Exactly...
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James: bloodless... lifeless...
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Ivor: Yes, so the rider on
the white horse is going forth
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to conquer and to pull people
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from these different
grounds into where He is.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
James: Yeah, yeah, powerful.
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Yvonne: That's the good Word...
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James: It is and this is...
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another thing that's really
significant about this is,
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this is the gospel of Matthew,
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this isn't the
Book of Revelation
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this is the
gospel of Matthew, okay,
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so, this is Jesus talking
in the gospel of Matthew,
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but it's Jesus also in
the Book of Revelation,
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see... it's the
revelation of Jesus Christ,
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it is the gospel... I
like to say it this way...
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Revelation is the
fifth gospel of the Bible...
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Matthew, Mark, Luke,
and John and Revelation
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because the Book of Revelation
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is the
revelation of Jesus Christ
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and it is the revelation
of the gospel of Jesus Christ
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and when we get past the symbols
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and we identify what they
mean, "Whoa, wait a minute... "
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okay, these symbols
represent these four horses...
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they are four ages in time
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and they represent
in symbolic language
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the Christian experience,
you have the Apostolic Age
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and you have: accepting
Christ, uniting with Christ,
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bringing Christ forth, His
birth, His life, His death,
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His resurrection,
that's what you're all about
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and as you do that,
you connect with him,
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you go forth
conquering and to conquer
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and Satan hates that so
he tries to persecute you,
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that was in an age in time
but it's applicable to us today
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and if that doesn't
work he tries to get in there
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and compromise, he
gets you to compromise,
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you know, compromise...
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and then he comes and he tries
to misrepresent God's character,
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he tries to get you off
thinking... "Well, you know... "
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and I know... I've... every one
of us probably knows somebody
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or is close to somebody who
was a believer or a Christian
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but something
happened in their life,
00:25:12.94\00:25:14.58
maybe a death in the
family and they're like,
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"How can God
allow this to happen,
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how can God allow my dad
to die, my child to die?"
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And so, that rider on
that pale horse is trying to
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separate us from
Christ... the White Horse,
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but... and
here's the verse I love
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us to  just close
with on this whole thing,
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to summarize all of this
is... it's in John chapter 1,
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can you read in John
chapter 1, Jason read for us
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John one and it's
talking here about our...
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it's talking about Jesus,
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I'm going to give
you the context but read
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because we're running out
of time... read verses 4 and 5.
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Jason: Four and
five... James: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Jason: "In him was life;
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and the life was
the light of men.
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And the light
shineth in darkness;
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and the darkness
comprehended it not. "
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James: "Did not overcome
it, did not overcome it. "
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That is what we find in various
translations of the Bible
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that the translation of
that word... "comprehended"
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it means to
overcome... to take a hold of...
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to apprehend... and then
as Ivor was sharing earlier,
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verse 9 says, "That
light was the true light
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which lights every man
that comes into the world"
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stony ground here,
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thorny ground
here... wherever you are...
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it lights every man
that comes into the world,
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that light lights every
man that comes into the world,
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so this is just
a beautiful picture
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of the gospel
in the four horses.
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Jason: Amen...
Yvonne: Amen... it's rich.
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James: We need to
close out but before we do,
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we need to remind our Viewers
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that they can send
their questions in.
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Jason: To sss@3abn. org
00:26:43.90\00:26:48.10
as in Salvation
in Symbols and Signs.
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James: @3abn. org and
we are looking forward
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to getting those questions,
we want to answer those
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in future programs
together, so, anyway,
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we need to close out with
prayer, who wants to volunteer?
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Ivor: I'll pray.
James: Thank you Ivor.
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Ivor: "Heavenly Father,
we just want to thank you
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for opening the Word to us,
00:27:05.52\00:27:08.39
for giving us an
understanding of the Scripture,
00:27:08.42\00:27:10.63
and Father, we just ask
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that you would
continue to open our eyes,
00:27:12.23\00:27:14.10
continue to win our hearts,
continue to conquer us Lord,
00:27:14.13\00:27:17.70
may we surrender to your will
00:27:17.73\00:27:19.10
and may we do that which
is pleasing in your sight
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may we understand the
grace that you have given to us
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and Father, thank you
again for your love for us,
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we pray this in
Jesus' name, amen. "
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All: "Amen... "
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James: So just in
the last few seconds...
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it's going to be
important for us...
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to transition now
to the fifth horse...
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not the fifth
horse... the fifth seal...
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and we've been just
looking at this history
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and we're going to find
that connects very much with
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what's going to transpire next,
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so we're going to take all
the information we've gathered
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and we're going to use that
to transition to our next seal
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and as it opens up, poof...
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it's just going to be...
it's going to be powerful.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
hmmm... James: Praise God.
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Yvonne: Amen...
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