The next church is Thyatira...
sacrifice and penitence.
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Millions of people are
sacrificed for their faith
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during this church period,
it's the period of the dark ages
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and it follows what we
studied in our last session
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and that is... the
period of compromise
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right after the
persecution of pagan Rome,
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it ends in 313...
Diocletian goes out...
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Constantine comes in
and the church is elevated,
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all the
properties are given back,
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they become
rich... people come in...
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compromise takes place
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by 321, we have
the first Sunday Law,
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a combination of
paganism with worship of God
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and so you've got
the church compromised,
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the faithful now are
moving in a different direction,
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they're against the fathers,
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they're not willing to
make these compromises...
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Antipas... and that moves us
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into this next church...
sacrifice of penitence,
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many people losing their lives
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and martyred
through the Dark Ages.
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So let's begin with a word of
prayer... we'll jump right in,
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Jason, pray for us would you?
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Sure, "Dear Heavenly Father,
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thank you for
another day of studying,
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we are covering
some deep material
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but you're making it possible
for us to make it practical
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and we ask that you
be with us once again
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and help us to
comprehend what we're studying
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in Jesus' name we
pray, amen. " All: "Amen... "
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So let's just begin
by reading the verses
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and Jason, start us out...
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we'll read... starting with
verse 18 of Revelation chapter 2
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we're going to read all
the way through to verse 29
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and so we got quite a few
verses here and just read...
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I don't know... read
about half of them...
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Okay, "And unto the angel of
the church in Thyatira write;
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These things
saith the Son of God,
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who hath his eyes
like unto a flame of fire,
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and his feet
are like fine brass;
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I know thy works, and
charity, and service, and faith,
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and thy patience, and thy works;
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and the last to be
more than the first.
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Notwithstanding I have
a few things against thee,
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because thou
sufferest that woman Jezebel,
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which calleth
herself a prophetess,
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to teach and to seduce my
servants to commit fornication,
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and to eat things
sacrificed unto idols.
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And I gave her space to
repent of her fornication;
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and she repented not.
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Behold, I will
cast her into a bed,
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and them that commit adultery
with her into great tribulation,
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except they
repent of their deeds.
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And I will kill her
children with death;
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and all the churches shall know
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that I am he which
searcheth the reins and hearts:
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and I will give
unto every one of you
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according to your works. "
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James: Yvonne, you
want to finish these verses?
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"But unto you I say, and
unto the rest in Thyatira,
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as many as have
not this doctrine,
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and which have not known the
depths of Satan, as they speak;
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I will put upon
you none other burden.
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But that which ye have
already hold fast till I come.
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And he that overcometh,
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and keepeth my
works unto the end,
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to him will I give
power over the nations:
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And he shall rule
them with a rod of iron;
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as the vessels of a potter
shall they be broken to shivers:
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even as I received of my Father,
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And I will him the morning star.
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He that hath an ear,
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let him hear what the Spirit
saith unto the churches. "
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Twelve verses now,
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there's a lot of
information in here,
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but there is some
really beautiful stuff,
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some powerful stuff.
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I like the way that it opens up,
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Jesus identifies Himself here,
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He's the son of
man in chapter one
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but the same description is used
that is found in chapter one
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"the eyes like a flame of fire"
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and it says that his
feet are like fine brass
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and here he's
identified as the Son of God
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and so we know that the
Son of man is the Son of God
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and we know that the Son of
God is, of course, Jesus Christ
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and so we see here a
description of Himself
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that connects us back
to chapter one... why?
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Well, I think one of
the reasons why is because
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we want to remember
that as bad as the church is
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and it's really getting
bad now, this is worse...
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this is the worst
condition right here
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in the sense of compromise,
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in the sense of
turning away from Christ,
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that Jesus still
pictures Himself...
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among the candlesticks.
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In fact, He says right here
in the context of this verse 21
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He says, "I gave
her space to repent,"
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now we're talking about
Jezebel, not Jezebel literally
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but Jezebel-type actions...
Jezebel-type spirit...
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do you remember the
story of Jezebel and Ahab?
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One of those stories
is pretty clear to me,
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it's a story of when
Ahab coveted a vineyard
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that was
connected to his property
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and he wanted it
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and he asked the owner of
that vineyard to sell it to him
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and the owner said,
"I can't sell it to you
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because this is
in my family... "
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in fact it was
forbidden for him to sell it...
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it had to go back to him at some
point even if he did sell it,
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"this is in my family
and I can't sell it... "
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and so Ahab went home
and he had a pout party...
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and in the middle
of this pout party,
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Jezebel comes in and sees
the king pouting and says,
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"What's wrong,
why are you so pouty?"
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And he basically explains
that he wanted this vineyard
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and he offered
money for the vineyard
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and the owner wouldn't
sell it... and then she says,
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"Don't you worry... I'll
take care of all of that"
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and she goes down there
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and she has this guy falsely
accused before the townspeople
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and killed... so that
she can take that vineyard
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and give it to her husband
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and he takes
ownership of the vineyard
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and along comes Elijah and
Elijah basically rebukes Ahab
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and when he rebukes
Ahab, Ahab responds and repents
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and the Lord is talking here,
I'm just reading the last verse
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in 1st Kings chapter 21,
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"And the word of God came
to Elijah the Tishbite, saying,
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Seest thou how Ahab
humbles himself before me,
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because he
humbles himself before me,
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I will not bring
this evil in his days:
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but in his son's days will I
bring this evil upon his house"
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that is how gracious God is,
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this was wicked... this was
pure wickedness that took place
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and yet as he humbled
himself, God was gracious,
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God was merciful...
"I'm not going to bring this"
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and the thing He was
talking about bringing was...
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judgment and justice
to Ahab's whole house,
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he was going to take
out Ahab's whole house
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because of this and so,
"I gave her space to repent,"
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Jesus is among the candlesticks,
He's trimming them up,
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He wants them to burn,
He wants them to repent.
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We should make sure that it
was not just this one incident
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that Ahab did that God said,
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"Okay, your house is
going to be punished... "
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they were... they had
done much wickedness...
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this is kind of
like the final straw...
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James: Years and years...
Ivor: Exactly... exactly...
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James: God is long suffering...
Ivor: Long suffering...
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James: And we want to
bring that into the story here,
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into the church here,
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we've got hundreds
of years of compromise
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and God is suffering long...
suffering long, suffering long
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through these hundreds of years.
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Ivor: I just want
to... this is a pop test...
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for you guys because...
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we don't want to
tell you the time period
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but we just want
to remember something
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that the first
church we were looking at...
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the 70-Week Prophecy...
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church number 2 and 3...
we were looking at the interim
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so, church number
two from 100 to 313...
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church number 3 from 313
to a certain period of time,
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so, this 4th
church... what do you think
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in terms of
where we are in time...
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and where would this
fourth church bring us?
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Yvonne: Would this be the 1,260?
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Ivor: Absolutely,
this would be the 1,260...
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and now, without us saying that,
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because of the principles we've
laid out, you're able to say,
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"Yeah, that makes sense because
that's what's coming next,
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next, we know
where we are in time,
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we know that... the
70-Weeks have passed...
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we saw the church numbers
2 and 3 were the interim...
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so yeah... church number four...
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is going to be in the
period of the 1,260...
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so that's why we talked
about that measuring stick,
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that it helps you
to be able to say,
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"Okay, I'm able to see
this now more... in my mind...
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in terms of where
we are in prophecy
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and what's coming next.
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James: Very
important... I love that.
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Yvonne: this thing with Jezebel
calling herself a prophetess,
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now, how is that... it...
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there's some
relation to the church here,
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this whole kind of spirit...
this attitude... what is it?
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Ivor: What is a prophetess?
One who speaks on behalf of...?
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Yvonne: God... Ivor: God...
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so this woman is claiming...
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now remember...
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and this is a principle
that we really need to hit
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but in the Old Testament,
things that are literal...
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are applied
spiritually in the New Testament
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particularly in
the Book of Revelation,
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so for example, Old Testament...
literal lamb slain...
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New Testament... Jesus,
"behold the lamb of God... "
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right? Old Testament...
literal candlestick...
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New Testament... "You
are the light of the world.
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A city set on a
hill cannot be hidden...
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Neither do men
light a candle... "
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right, so, we can go
through many examples...
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James and Ivor: Literal
Israel, spiritual Israel...
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Ivor: literal circumcision,
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New Testament...
circumcision of the heart...
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so, Jezebel... Old
Testament... literal...
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James: Literal
woman... Ivor: Literal woman...
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New Testament...
spiritual church,
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James: Spiritual
woman... church...
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Ivor: That's right, a
woman in Bible prophecy
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symbolizes a church,
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so Christ says,
"Husbands, love your wives... "
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it's a love story...
husbands love your wives...
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even as Christ
loved the church...
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so, Jezebel then
would represent a church
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claiming to speak
on behalf of... God...
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who... while doing this,
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is putting the
people of God to death.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... Jason: Wow!
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Ivor: Ah... and all of
that... based on principle...
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not, "okay, let's see what
fits so what sounds good... "
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no... because of the timing...
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now we can say,
"Okay, what church
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would have arisen...
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or would have been
present at this time
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1,260... that would claim to
be speaking on behalf of God...
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what power... what authority...
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would claim to be
speaking on behalf of God
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and yet
persecuting the people of God
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as literal Jezebel
did in the Old Testament?
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James: And even adding to
that, it says here in verse 20,
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"Jezebel, which calls herself
a prophetess, and teaches...
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to teach and to seduce my
servants to commit fornication,"
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again... that's
spiritual fornication...
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faithfulness to God...
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so she's teaching doctrines that
lead to unfaithfulness to God.
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Ivor: Which points us to
Revelation chapter 17 and 18
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where the woman is described
as "Mystery Babylon... "
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James: Right... and
then it goes on to say,
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"and eats those things
sacrificed unto idols. "
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So, what you have here...
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is you have this spiritual
fornication that's taking place,
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you have seducing...
teaching things that are
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seducing people to
be unfaithful to God,
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you have "spiritual
idolatry" taking place,
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so, in the context of
this, you have a church
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that is worshipping idols
and teaching false doctrines
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and yet claims to
be a follower of God.
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Ivor: While
persecuting the people of God.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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Ivor: So that's how
that Old Testament story
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now sheds light...
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we're not looking for
a literal Jezebel here,
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now, who was named
Jezebel... during the 1,260...
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what woman... no,
there was no woman...
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who carried that name... right?
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I mean... you know in
terms of literal history
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that the Bible is talking about,
this is symbolic... symbols...
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we're understanding
the symbols and saying,
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"Okay, this is what this
symbol is explaining to us. "
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James: And then
you're looking at verse 19...
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now, this is another
aspect of the characteristic
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of this "woman,"
okay, verse 19...
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"I know thy works,
charity, service, faith,
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and thy patience, and thy works;
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and the last to be
more than the first. "
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So, now you have a
system, a religious system...
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that is filled with
works and faith and patience
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and more works at the
end than at the beginning,
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so, what kind
of religious system
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is professing to speak for God
00:12:38.95\00:12:41.62
while seducing his servants
into apostasy and fornication
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but at the same time,
you're filled with charity
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and works and
faith... in other words...
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honest people...
people who follow God...
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who serve God... who are
honestly seeking after God
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and yet are being
deceived and seduced
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by the teachings of this church
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that are not in
harmony with the Word of God.
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Ivor: And... and to add to that,
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for the time
period we're looking at
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which would be the
1,260 years, right?
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Now how would we know
that 1,260-year period?
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Again, going back
to the Book of Daniel,
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we see Daniel describing a
power that is just like this,
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it's called the
"Little Horn," it's supposed...
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it's a religious power that
persecutes the people of God,
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that claims to
speak on behalf of God
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so when we have
this understanding
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of who this little...
what this Little Horn is
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and the time period
allotted to it... 1,260...
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we again go,
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"Okay, as I'm reading
this description of this woman,
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this sounds just like
the Little Horn of Daniel 7,
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this must be the 1,260-year
period we're looking at.
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Yeah, I really need to review
that area of interpretation
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because I really
just guessed that 1,260...
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I know, praise the
Lord, it was a good guess
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but I really want to
know, like, how do I know
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that it's in the 70 or
the 1,260 or the 2,300?
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Ivor: So, we can say
that any time you see...
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you can identify... that power
00:14:07.64\00:14:09.68
that persecutes
the saints of God,
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speaking on behalf
of God, that is 1,260...
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Yvonne: Why?
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Ivor: That's the
time period allotted to it
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in the Book of Daniel chapter 7
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in other places in
the Book of Revelation,
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the same time
period is described
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as 42 months... okay...
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it is described as "a
time, times and a half"
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in several different places,
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so you're looking
at the same time period
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being revealed in
different places in Revelation
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and in the Book of
Daniel, so once you...
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if I say, "1,260... "
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you should say,
"Mystery Babylon"
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if I say, "Mystery
Babylon," you say, "1,260... "
00:14:46.92\00:14:49.75
right, so wherever
you see "Mystery Babylon"
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doing these things
to the people of God,
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you can
assume... this is 1,260...
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unless it's in the context
of what's coming after...
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at the very end of
time. Yvonne: Okay...
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James: And
that's 2,300... right?
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Ivor: So, think
about it like this...
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the days of the week...
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you don't go from
Sunday, Monday, Tuesday
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and then skip Wednesday
and jump to Thursday...
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same with the churches,
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we started in one
period, in 31 A.D. to a 100...
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the second period...
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and now we saw that relating
to the 70-Week Prophecy...
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31 A.D. connects us
to the 70-Week Prophecy,
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but then the second
church from 100 A.D.
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when Roman persecution
really hit the church,
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and lasts till about
313... this is an interim...
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this is not the
70... it's not the 1,260...
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right, so after
that second church
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you have the third
church which is Pergamos,
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where a compromise began
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but this woman
isn't on the scene yet,
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it's not the little
horn yet so we can't say,
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"this is the little horn"
this is only pre-little horn...
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pre-Jezebel...
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once we get to Jezebel...
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and we identify
what she's doing,
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we're going, "Wait a minute,
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yeah, this is exactly
what's described in Daniel
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under the 1,260-year Prophecy
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so this must be
beginning in 538, right,
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and extending
throughout the dark ages. "
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
hmmm... hmmm... hmmm... okay...
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Ivor: Okay... so that...
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that's why I said
those three time prophecies
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70... 1,260... 2,300...
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if you can get
those in your mind,
00:16:22.61\00:16:24.58
and hammer those
down and it may be new...
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"Okay... how do I... "
but once you get those,
00:16:26.92\00:16:29.15
70... 1,260... 2,300...
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everything in the
Book of Revelation,
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revolves around
those three prophecies...
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James: Yeah, and
they're consecutive...
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they're consecutive...
so in other words,
00:16:38.36\00:16:40.16
when you start with the 70...
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the next thing
you do is 1,260...
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and the next
thing you do is 2,300...
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you're going to go from
one to the next to the next...
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so if you're in the 70...
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and you see that
coming to an end...
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then you know you're
moving toward the 1,260...
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as you see that
coming to an end...
00:16:51.74\00:16:53.07
you know you're
moving toward 1844...
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because it's all progressive
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and then we get to the Seals...
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we start all over...
we go back to the 70...
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Apostolic Age and then we go
through the same time periods
00:16:58.95\00:17:01.88
all over again, and
they're just one indicator,
00:17:01.92\00:17:04.09
we have a number of
different indicators
00:17:04.12\00:17:06.19
that we're using on
this... that's one indicator,
00:17:06.22\00:17:08.42
so... and it's a good one,
it's a really good one because
00:17:08.46\00:17:11.16
it is outlined again in
Revelation chapter 12...
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actually 11 and 12 and
Daniel chapter 7 as well
00:17:14.00\00:17:17.00
and Daniel chapter
12... all talk about the 1,260
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and in different ways...
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Okay, so,
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verse 21, "I gave
her space to repent
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of her fornication;
and she repented not. "
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This is what we saw God
going with Ahab and Jezebel.
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"Tell them I'm going to judge
them and let's see what he does"
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He repents... wow...
but she doesn't repent...
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now the space that God gives
her to repent is 1,260 years...
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:17:40.16\00:17:41.69
James: Why did
God allow His people
00:17:41.72\00:17:43.86
to be persecuted for that long?
00:17:43.89\00:17:45.23
Because He had people in there
00:17:45.26\00:17:46.59
that were
faithful and charitable
00:17:46.63\00:17:47.96
and had good works and faith
and He's moving through this
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and giving them the opportunity
to repent and to come around
00:17:49.90\00:17:52.23
and to come around... but
they wouldn't... they wouldn't.
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Yvonne: Not the literal Jezebel
but the spiritual Jezebel...
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James: The Spiritual Jezebel...
00:17:56.60\00:17:58.24
Ivor: So, James, do you remember
00:17:58.27\00:17:59.91
in our last
program, we talked about...
00:17:59.94\00:18:01.44
I don't know if it was
the last one or before...
00:18:01.48\00:18:03.18
we talked about how Christ
said "if you have ought against
00:18:03.21\00:18:06.51
your brother, go to
him yourself... " right...
00:18:06.55\00:18:09.68
Christ comes to humanity Himself
00:18:09.72\00:18:12.12
70-Week Prophecy...
00:18:12.15\00:18:13.59
all right... you don't
listen... you reject me...
00:18:13.62\00:18:15.42
all right... I'm
going to send two witnesses,
00:18:15.46\00:18:17.96
that takes us to
Revelation chapter 11
00:18:17.99\00:18:19.96
that introduces
those two witnesses
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who prophesied
for guess how long?
00:18:22.13\00:18:24.20
1,260 years, right,
00:18:24.23\00:18:28.84
so what are those
two witnesses doing?
00:18:28.87\00:18:30.21
they're pointing to Jezebel,
right, saying, "Repent... "
00:18:30.24\00:18:33.71
so, just as you're saying,
"He gave them space to repent"
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that space is 1,260
years, what does she do?
00:18:37.25\00:18:41.25
She rejects the two witnesses.
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James: Which is the Word of God.
Ivor: Which is the Word of God.
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James: And in that context,
He brings her into tribulation.
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Now, we're going to
jump ahead a little bit here
00:18:50.69\00:18:52.96
but I just want
to bring this out
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because it's going to
be... recapitulate this...
00:18:54.36\00:18:57.00
it's gong to be
in the Trumpets...
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we're going to see
this in the trumpets
00:18:58.40\00:18:59.73
but it says in verses 22 and 23,
"But I will cast her into a bed,
00:18:59.77\00:19:03.51
and them that commit adultery
with her into great tribulation,
00:19:03.54\00:19:07.61
except that they
repent of their deeds.
00:19:07.64\00:19:09.41
And I will kill her
children with death;
00:19:09.44\00:19:11.15
and all the churches will know
00:19:11.21\00:19:12.55
that I am he which
searcheth the reins and heart:
00:19:12.58\00:19:14.38
and will give unto every one of
you according to your works. "
00:19:14.42\00:19:16.79
Part of this tribulation
that this power went through
00:19:16.82\00:19:20.92
was... came in
the form of Islam...
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it came in the
form of a group...
00:19:24.36\00:19:27.70
a religious group that
rose up in the Middle East
00:19:27.73\00:19:30.07
and came against
the Medieval Church
00:19:30.10\00:19:32.80
that was worshipping idols
00:19:32.83\00:19:34.17
in the form of
chastening and judgments,
00:19:34.20\00:19:36.30
in fact, a lot of the
leaders of the Muslim armies
00:19:36.34\00:19:39.64
said... as they went to battle
00:19:39.67\00:19:41.81
against this compromising
Christian church, they said,
00:19:41.84\00:19:44.48
"Kill only those
00:19:44.51\00:19:46.48
who are worshipping
idols and have shorn heads...
00:19:46.51\00:19:48.55
don't kill those who worship God
without worshipping idols... "
00:19:48.58\00:19:51.75
and that's what it talks...
in Revelation chapter 9 about...
00:19:51.79\00:19:55.22
"don't hurt those
that have the seal of God,
00:19:55.26\00:19:57.03
don't hurt those who
are settled into the truth,
00:19:57.06\00:19:59.06
who not
worshipping the idols... "
00:19:59.09\00:20:00.43
so this was affliction...
this wasn't a time...
00:20:00.46\00:20:02.36
and we'll look at this
more in Revelation chapter 9...
00:20:02.40\00:20:05.83
Ivor: Let's point out James
a verse you pointed out to me
00:20:05.87\00:20:09.27
a little bit
earlier, let's just read that
00:20:09.30\00:20:10.64
in the context of Islam
00:20:10.67\00:20:12.04
and their attack on
apostate Christianity
00:20:12.07\00:20:16.18
and we won't go into detail
00:20:16.21\00:20:17.85
but the last verse
in Revelation 9:21 says,
00:20:17.88\00:20:20.08
"Neither repented
they of their murders,
00:20:20.12\00:20:22.15
nor of their sorceries,
00:20:22.18\00:20:23.52
or their fornication,
nor their deeds... "
00:20:23.55\00:20:25.02
that ties in with the verse
that was just read about Jezebel
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and her children not
repenting of their deeds
00:20:31.46\00:20:34.86
even though they were
cast into great tribulation.
00:20:34.90\00:20:37.30
James: The one before that...
00:20:37.33\00:20:38.67
"the rest of the men which
were not killed by these plagues
00:20:38.70\00:20:41.87
yet repented not of
the works of their hands,
00:20:41.90\00:20:43.54
that they should
not worship devils,
00:20:43.57\00:20:44.91
and idols of gold, and
silver, brass and stone,
00:20:44.94\00:20:46.94
and wood which can neither
be seen nor walk nor hear... "
00:20:46.98\00:20:49.88
and that goes back
to the Old Testament
00:20:49.91\00:20:51.65
and all this idol worship
that God's people got into
00:20:51.71\00:20:54.25
being repeated... that's
why Jezebel is being used,
00:20:54.32\00:20:56.82
"I'm giving her space to
repent, she's not repenting... "
00:20:56.85\00:20:59.19
now you got to understand...
what we're looking at here...
00:20:59.25\00:21:01.56
what Ivor just pointed out is...
00:21:01.59\00:21:02.92
this is another recapitulation
of the same history,
00:21:02.96\00:21:05.63
Revelation 9 are the
trumpets... is recapitulating
00:21:05.66\00:21:08.63
the same history
we're seeing here
00:21:08.66\00:21:10.00
in Revelation chapter...
00:21:10.03\00:21:11.57
Ivor: And we're
checking our interpretation
00:21:11.60\00:21:13.13
but using a totally different
angle, so let's check it,
00:21:13.17\00:21:15.80
are we right? Yeah... look...
00:21:15.84\00:21:17.81
James: And another thing
we noticed in Revelation 9
00:21:17.84\00:21:20.98
is that this
judgment comes from a voice
00:21:21.01\00:21:23.08
before the four horns
of the golden altar...
00:21:23.11\00:21:25.21
which is pre-1844... it's
the "rock of ages" time...
00:21:25.25\00:21:28.15
it's Holy Place time...
00:21:28.18\00:21:29.52
so there's now the
Sanctuary image that tells us
00:21:29.55\00:21:31.79
time and location,
where we are in History,
00:21:31.82\00:21:34.09
okay, so all we're
going now is we're just seeing
00:21:34.12\00:21:36.96
how this continues to be
confirmed, confirmed, confirmed,
00:21:36.99\00:21:39.46
as we go through
this... you see...
00:21:39.49\00:21:41.20
what people do in the
Book of Revelation is,
00:21:41.23\00:21:43.06
many times, they will read
through the "church" and say,
00:21:43.13\00:21:46.37
"Oh, that applies to this... "
00:21:46.43\00:21:47.77
and then they'll start
in the "seals" and say,
00:21:47.80\00:21:49.14
"Now, this has got to be
something completely different"
00:21:49.17\00:21:50.64
and they start interpreting
it and completely...
00:21:50.67\00:21:52.67
and then they'll
come to the "trumpets... "
00:21:52.71\00:21:54.04
"Oh, and this is
completely different... "
00:21:54.08\00:21:55.41
but the way that this actually
interprets and reads is...
00:21:55.44\00:21:59.38
is as though I am
giving you directions,
00:21:59.41\00:22:02.25
you know how it is when
you give someone directions
00:22:02.28\00:22:04.29
and it can be
difficult, you know,
00:22:04.32\00:22:05.75
and so you might
say to someone...
00:22:05.79\00:22:07.12
"Well, yeah, what
you do basically... "
00:22:07.16\00:22:08.89
if you were to come
to my place, I'd say,
00:22:08.92\00:22:10.39
"Well, what you do
basically... from the airport,
00:22:10.43\00:22:12.59
you get on I5... and
you go south on I5...
00:22:12.63\00:22:15.10
until you hit 126...
and when you hit 126,
00:22:15.13\00:22:17.03
you're going to
take that to Main Street,
00:22:17.07\00:22:18.53
when you get to Main Street,
00:22:18.57\00:22:19.90
you're just going to go
straight through the light
00:22:19.93\00:22:21.77
and you're going to
be on Jasperville Road
00:22:21.80\00:22:24.11
and we're at mile four...
that's... that's... that's...
00:22:24.14\00:22:27.38
that's the seven
churches' directions
00:22:27.41\00:22:29.14
okay, so now I'm going to
go over to the seven seals
00:22:29.18\00:22:31.91
and so now, when you are on I5,
00:22:31.95\00:22:34.25
you can drive 60...
that's the speed limit
00:22:34.28\00:22:36.45
but when you get
to 126... it's 55...
00:22:36.48\00:22:38.85
when you get on
Jasperville Road,
00:22:38.89\00:22:41.19
you're going to
have to go down to 45...
00:22:41.22\00:22:43.12
well, 55 at
first but down to 45...
00:22:43.16\00:22:44.96
then down to 35 when you
get into Jasper and be careful
00:22:44.99\00:22:47.16
because a lot of people
get tickets right in there
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so make sure you
get down to 35, okay...
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and then again route
mile... Marker 4... "
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that's the seals, I'm
covering the same territory
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but I'm giving you
now some warning signals,
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I'm giving you some speed
limit warning signs, okay,
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now I'm going to give
you the seven trumpets,
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now, as you're
coming to my location,
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you're going to see
some big smokestacks,
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not smoke... but
steam... it's a big plant...
00:23:08.85\00:23:11.45
that processes
hydro... electricity... and then
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when you get to Main Street,
there's going to be lights...
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and there's going to
be one lane going straight
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and two lanes going left...
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make sure you get
in the far right lane
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and as you get through there,
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you're going to see a river
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then you're
going to see a bridge
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and then you're
going to see a store
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and as you come
past all of that,
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you're going to go
under a railroad crossing
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and you're going to come out
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and there's going to see
a big wood mill on the left
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and there's going to
be a school on the right
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and we're just
past the wood mill...
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that's the seven trumpets.
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I'm giving you
the same direction,
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I'm covering the same ground
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but I'm giving
you different markers,
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as you're driving down
the road, you are going to go,
00:23:43.12\00:23:45.09
"Oh, we must be
in the right place
00:23:45.12\00:23:46.89
but it seems
like... are we there yet?
00:23:46.92\00:23:48.56
we're on 126... I don't
know... oh, there's the light...
00:23:48.59\00:23:50.83
oh... there's the
bridge or there's the river
00:23:50.86\00:23:53.36
or there's the...
yeah... we are... "
00:23:53.40\00:23:54.73
if you've gone to mile marker 5,
00:23:54.76\00:23:56.10
you've been too far,
turn around and go back
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and so, this is
what we're talking about,
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and we're talking about all
these different indications here
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to give you those
directions, in layers
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helps you to
have more information
00:24:05.17\00:24:07.38
about the
direction you are going,
00:24:07.41\00:24:10.21
God is giving us
directions to heaven
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and He has given us
these directions in layers
00:24:12.65\00:24:15.28
so we can have as
much information as we want
00:24:15.32\00:24:17.92
and we start
making the connections,
00:24:17.95\00:24:19.29
"Oh yeah, the bridge and
the store, and mile marker
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and the speed limit sign...
and it's all coming together. "
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Ivor: Time and
location... time and location...
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I want to add
something here, another marker,
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the things that were
written for ancient Israel,
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are written for our admonition
00:24:37.67\00:24:39.01
upon whom the ends of
the world are to come,
00:24:39.04\00:24:40.38
we saw the first
church... purity...
00:24:40.41\00:24:42.04
then they lost their first love,
00:24:42.08\00:24:43.81
compare that to Adam and Eve...
the creation of mankind...
00:24:43.85\00:24:46.48
we saw the second
church... persecution...
00:24:46.51\00:24:48.78
we compare that to
the next book, Exodus,
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they're in... 400
years of captivity,
00:24:51.19\00:24:53.52
we saw the third church...
00:24:53.56\00:24:54.89
they had now come
out of persecution
00:24:54.92\00:24:57.46
but they began to compromise,
00:24:57.49\00:24:58.83
we see that with
the history of Israel
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when they get
into the Promise Land,
00:25:00.63\00:25:02.50
the fourth church is Jezebel...
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land... when the
children of Israel get into
00:25:05.30\00:25:07.80
the Promise Land and
they're there for some time,
00:25:07.84\00:25:10.47
guess what happens
next in their history?
00:25:10.51\00:25:12.84
You have Jezebel,
the literal Jezebel...
00:25:12.87\00:25:15.18
and this
literal Jezebel and Ahab
00:25:15.21\00:25:17.58
lead Israel
into so much apostasy
00:25:17.61\00:25:19.88
that they end up in captivity
to a power named "Babylon. "
00:25:19.91\00:25:26.99
Yvonne: Wow!
00:25:27.02\00:25:28.36
Ivor: This woman, Jezebel,
according to Revelation,
00:25:28.39\00:25:32.29
her title is "Mystery Babylon. "
00:25:32.33\00:25:35.66
James: She brings God's people
into captivity... her apostasy.
00:25:35.70\00:25:38.60
Ivor: She brings God's
people into captivity to Babylon
00:25:38.63\00:25:40.97
so literally, in the history
of the first four churches,
00:25:41.00\00:25:43.34
you have the entire
history of the Old Testament
00:25:43.37\00:25:46.11
being repeated,
which is another checkmark,
00:25:46.14\00:25:48.51
yeah, interpretation... correct
00:25:48.54\00:25:51.81
because all these
checkmarks can't be pointing
00:25:51.85\00:25:54.78
to the same
thing, by "coincidence. "
00:25:54.82\00:25:57.92
Yvonne: Right... right...
00:25:57.95\00:25:59.29
James: And then what
God is going to do is
00:25:59.32\00:26:00.66
to get down into the last epic
00:26:00.69\00:26:02.49
which is Revelation chapter 12
all the way through chapter 22,
00:26:02.52\00:26:05.69
He's going to do stuff like,
00:26:05.73\00:26:07.06
He's going to
actually identify now,
00:26:07.10\00:26:08.43
He's going to get specific,
00:26:08.46\00:26:09.80
He's going to blow it
up, so he's going to say,
00:26:09.83\00:26:11.40
"Okay, this
woman... Mystery Babylon...
00:26:11.43\00:26:13.47
identified... she's
got a cup... she's... "
00:26:13.54\00:26:15.00
the details are spelled out,
here it's... it's Jezebel...
00:26:15.04\00:26:17.87
she's going to...
come into fornication
00:26:17.91\00:26:20.01
but then the
details are spelled out.
00:26:20.04\00:26:21.84
Ivor: We need to
mention that her daughters...
00:26:21.88\00:26:23.71
"I will kill her children... "
00:26:23.75\00:26:25.08
that death
represents the daughters...
00:26:25.11\00:26:27.25
those churches
that come out of her
00:26:27.28\00:26:29.45
Yvonne: Apostasy.
00:26:29.48\00:26:30.82
Ivor: Exactly and
the promise, you know,
00:26:30.85\00:26:33.66
in verse 26, it says,
"And he that overcometh,
00:26:33.69\00:26:36.52
and keepeth my
works unto the end,
00:26:36.59\00:26:38.06
to him will I give
power over the nations:
00:26:38.09\00:26:39.86
And he shall rule
them with a rod of iron;
00:26:39.89\00:26:41.56
as the vessels of a potter
shall they be broken to shivers:
00:26:41.63\00:26:44.80
even as I
received of my Father. "
00:26:44.83\00:26:47.50
This points us to the fact that
00:26:47.54\00:26:50.14
as the nations were
persecuting God's people,
00:26:50.17\00:26:53.98
during the Dark
Ages, God is saying,
00:26:54.01\00:26:56.38
"I'm going to give you
power over those nations
00:26:56.41\00:26:58.81
if you remain faithful to me. "
00:26:58.85\00:27:00.35
And then He says, "I'll
give him the morning star. "
00:27:00.38\00:27:01.85
James: The Morning Star...
00:27:01.88\00:27:03.22
and darkness...
brings a morning star,
00:27:03.25\00:27:06.05
when you see this first star
00:27:06.09\00:27:07.69
as it begins to
dawn toward morning
00:27:07.72\00:27:10.23
and in the
context of the Dark Ages,
00:27:10.26\00:27:12.19
the Morning Star
was John Wycliffe,
00:27:12.23\00:27:13.96
John Wycliffe
was... was understood
00:27:14.00\00:27:15.66
to be the Morning
Star of the Reformation
00:27:15.70\00:27:17.33
why? he translated the Bible
and got the Bible to the people
00:27:17.37\00:27:21.84
and, of course, the
Morning Star is Christ
00:27:21.87\00:27:23.57
and Christ is the Word...
and so he's bringing Christ...
00:27:23.61\00:27:26.14
bringing the
Word to the people...
00:27:26.17\00:27:27.54
he was the Morning
Star of the Reformation.
00:27:27.58\00:27:29.21
So that's basically the...
00:27:29.24\00:27:30.95
what we see here in the
history of this fourth church
00:27:30.98\00:27:33.31
we are indeed out of
time... All: laughter...
00:27:33.35\00:27:35.95
James: We're just
moving through it,
00:27:35.98\00:27:37.32
moving through it,
moving through it...
00:27:37.35\00:27:38.69
but we want
questions, we want questions at:
00:27:38.72\00:27:42.42
Jason: sss@3abn.
org James: sss@3abn. org
00:27:42.46\00:27:46.36
Yvonne and Jason:
Video questions...
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James: Absolutely, all right,
00:27:47.76\00:27:50.27
let's close out with
word of prayer, Jason...
00:27:50.30\00:27:51.93
"Dear Heavenly
Father, thank you so much
00:27:51.97\00:27:54.60
for allowing us to
have another study together,
00:27:54.64\00:27:56.77
and as we depart from here,
00:27:56.81\00:27:59.17
please don't let
00:27:59.21\00:28:00.58
what we've learned depart
from our hearts and minds,
00:28:00.64\00:28:04.38
please be with everybody
that is watching this program
00:28:04.41\00:28:08.15
and help them to retain
00:28:08.18\00:28:10.59
the information studied as well
00:28:10.62\00:28:12.85
and inspire them
to study this deeper
00:28:12.89\00:28:15.06
than what we've touched today,
00:28:15.09\00:28:16.42
we pray all these things
in Jesus' name... amen. "
00:28:16.46\00:28:18.66
All: "Amen... "
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