You know, we're going to
do something in this session
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that is going to be
repeated quite often
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in our whole time together
in the Book of Revelation
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and that is...
we're going to go back
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to the Son of man...
back to the Son of man...
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back to the Son of man...
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we're still in
Revelation chapter 1,
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we haven't quite made it
out of Revelation chapter 1,
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put a foot out here
and an arm out there
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but woom... we're back in again
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and that's good
because really, in a sense,
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Revelation chapter
1... the introduction
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kind of connects to
the rest of the Book
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and it helps us because
it's laying down the principles,
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the foundation, the
tools, the resources we need
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to be able to
interpret the rest of the Book
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and one of those main
resources is... the Son of man.
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John sees Jesus first
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and that's what we want to
do, we want to make Him first,
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so, we're going to jump
into this description of Jesus
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because it's an
interesting description
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and we're going to look at it
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try to understand
it... what it means...
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and then compare it with
some other portions of the Bible
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that have similar descriptions
but before we do that,
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Jason, would you pray
for us and get us started?
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Jason: Sure...
"Dear Heavenly Father,
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thank you for
being with us today,
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we invite you to take over
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and help us to understand
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everything that we are studying,
thank you for creating us
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and not only
creating us but sustaining us
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and so, we ask that you
equip us with the tools needed
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so that we can
comprehend what we are studying
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and retain the
information that we are studying
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and please be
with the people at home
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that are watching this as well,
in Jesus' name we pray, amen. "
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All: Amen, thank you Jason.
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So, in Revelation chapter 1,
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we're just going to look
here in verse 12 and onward...
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Yvonne: Before we do that,
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could we just
look at Revelation 1:1?
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James: Sure.
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Because I think that just
really sets up the entire Book
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and "The Revelation
of Jesus Christ... "
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the Revelation of Jesus Christ
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so the Book is
revealing Jesus Christ, right?
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it's not just about prophecy,
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but it's revealing
the character of Christ
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right, so, "The
Revelation of Jesus Christ
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which God gave unto him... "
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so now we have
the Father and the Son
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similar to Genesis 1 where...
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"In the beginning God created
the heavens and the earth.
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And the Spirit of God moved
upon the face of the deep... "
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so it's kind of like... to me...
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again, "repeat... "
right? "and enlarge"
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and so, when I read this,
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I thought, "Wow! we have now...
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we have the Father in this,
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we have the
Father revealing the Son,
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and this is what Jesus is
going to show to his servant,
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so it's kind of like this...
the Father reveals the Son,
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the Son gives to
the... the servants...
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James: Hierarchy...
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Yvonne: Yeah and it's...
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to me it was just really, really
"revealing" pardon the pun.
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And that's a really good point,
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I wanted to touch
on this for a second
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and that is...
because theologically...
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on a technical term
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this is a revelation from
God of Jesus... from God...
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and so it's actually not just
that it's a revelation of Jesus,
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it's actually a
message "From... "
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and people will take
one or the other sometimes,
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they'll say, "No,
no, no, you're wrong,
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it's not a revelation of Jesus,
it's a revelation from Jesus,
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revelation from God to us... "
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I don't want to
get too technical here
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but I think it's both...
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I think Yvonne's point is
really important and significant
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and I think we can prove that
and this is how we can prove it,
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is the Book itself
a revelation of Jesus?
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And if the Book itself
is a revelation of Jesus
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then it's not just a
revelation from Jesus,
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it's also a revelation
of Jesus, I think it's both.
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Ivor: Let me add to that,
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that... the reason
this is so important,
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this whole Book,
the Book of Revelation
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is a revelation of
Jesus Christ in this sense...
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that Christ is seeking
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to manifest
Himself within his church,
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when the church fully reflects
Christ or reveals Christ,
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in character, that's the
end purpose of this Book,
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this is how God is
going to perfect His people
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and thus have His
people reveal Christ
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so when the Bride is finally
without spot and wrinkle,
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there is the
revelation of Jesus Christ,
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see, it's now totally
reflecting Jesus Christ,
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so the Bible tells that
the hope of glory is what?
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Christ revealed in us,
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the whole Book of
Revelation is showing
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how Christ is going
to accomplish that work
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and bring about a bride
that reflects the Son...
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right? The Son of righteousness
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and so in that sense, the
Revelation of Jesus Christ
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is really showing what
God wants to do in His people.
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And how does He do
that? and I really...
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by-the-way also the Holy Spirit,
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we talk about Creation...
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the Holy Spirit is
mentioned in verse 4,
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"the Seven
Spirits... " capital S
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"which are before the throne"
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so all three are there,
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as this comes forth,
"grace and peace be unto you
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from Him and was and
is... and is to come;
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and from the seven Spirits
which are before his throne... "
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the Holy Spirit... because when
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John begins his vision in
verse 10, what does he say?
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Jason... or... yeah... go
ahead... read it for us...
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Yvonne: I took over Jay...
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"I was in the
Spirit on the Lord's day
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and heard behind me a great
voice, as of a trumpet... "
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All right, so,
he's in the Spirit
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so then we got the Godhead,
we got all three there now,
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just like in
Creation, we got all three,
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and as Ivor said and I
think that it's important,
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God is working to
recreate His image in us,
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He created us in His image
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and now He wants to
recreate us in His image,
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so we see this... this
theme being brought out here
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in Revelation chapter 1.
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You know, James, I just
had a thought and really,
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remember how we talked about
the numbers one through seven?
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And what God did in
that first one through seven
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is what He's seeking to do again
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in these cycles
of one through seven.
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In other words, in one
through seven in Genesis,
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you had Creation
but the devil marred it,
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disrupted it and so now
it's as though God is saying,
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"Okay, you thought
to mess up my plan,
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we're going to do this again. "
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And so, this cycle
of one through seven
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is the way and the process
through which God is recreating.
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James: Hmmm...
hmmm... Yvonne: Wow!
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Ivor: Yeah.
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James: And we know
that... that's confirmed again
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by the fact that in the garden,
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God came to be with Adam
and Eve in the cool of the day
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and when we get to the
end of the Book of Revelation,
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God comes to dwell with us
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and then, in the garden,
we ate of the tree of life
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and in Revelation,
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we're going to be
eating of the Tree of Life,
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the Garden is restored...
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the Garden is
restored, there we are...
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Yvonne: Whew, I might have
to shout up in here in a minute.
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It's good stuff... this is
some good stuff right here.
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So, he's turning...
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he's in the Spirit
and he turns to look
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and he sees... in
the midst of the throne,
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in the midst of
the candlesticks...
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excuse me, not the throne,
in the midst of the candlesticks
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verse 13... he sees "one
like unto the Son of man"
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the Son of man...
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now this is really interesting
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because when he
sees the Son of man,
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who is Jesus Christ,
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the way he sees Him...
the way He is described here
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is a little bit... could
be a little bit unnerving,
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I mean... okay... let's
just read through it here,
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Revelation chapter 13,
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Jason, can you read
Revelation chapter 1,
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excuse me, verses
13, 14, 15 and 16.
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So, Revelation chapter
1 verses 13 through 16?
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Okay, "And in midst
of the seven candlesticks
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one like unto the Son of man,
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clothed with a
garment down to the foot,
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and girt about the
paps with a golden girdle.
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His head and his
hairs were white like wool,
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as white as snow;
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and his eyes were
as a flame of fire;
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and his feet
like unto fine brass,
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as if they burned in a furnace;
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and his voice as the
sound of many waters.
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And he had in his
right hand seven stars:
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and out of his mouth
went a sharp two-edged sword:
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and his countenance was as the
sun shineth in his strength. "
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Okay now, the reason why I say
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this can be a
little bit unnerving
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is because you
notice what happens
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in verse 17 when
John sees the Son of man,
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"And when I saw him, I
fell at his feet as dead"
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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You can look at this
picture and you can say,
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"Whoa, this is
scary, what is this?"
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It's Jesus and I
think it's important
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for us to break
down the symbols here
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because it's not that
John is scared, per se,
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like horrified...
John is more overwhelmed
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with this picture of
burning that he sees,
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for example, his eyes
were like a flame of fire...
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have you ever sat
in front of a fire?
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Yvonne and
Jason: Hmmm... hmmm...
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the logs... the
flame... it's mesmerizing, yeah,
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I could just sit there
and just look and look...
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what is it about
that? And I'm not...
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this is not unique to me,
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"Oh, you're one of those people
who likes to look into a fire,"
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you know what I'm saying?
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No, this is all of us isn't it?
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It's like, "Wow!"
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And so, when the Bible describes
his eyes like a flame of fire,
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what it's saying is,
"His eyes are mesmerizing,
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we want to look into his eyes"
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they're just beautiful,
they're just attractive
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we can just look
in His eyes forever...
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we can just sit there all
night and look into His eyes.
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Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm...
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Of course, we
experience that sometimes,
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with our first-love experience,
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we just want to
look into her eyes
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or look into his eyes,
right? We just want to...
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and this is what
we're looking at here,
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we're looking...
because later on...
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right in Revelation chapter 2,
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we're going to talk about
the first-love experience.
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In verse 15 it says,
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"And his feet
were like fine brass"
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He's got the Coppertone look,
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He's got that nice, attractive,
those eyes, the Coppertone look
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and then it talks about here...
it talks about His voice,
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he says, "His voice is
as the sound of many waters"
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have you ever sat at
night listening to water
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a stream
running, a river running,
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the waterfall... just that...
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people buy this
little water apparatus
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that they can put in
their house to listen to that...
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it's soothing, in other
words, Jesus is attractive
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and so when we see Jesus
in the Book of Revelation,
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we don't just see Him...
"Oh, there's the Son of man... "
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we see Him in a
very attractive light,
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so attractive
and so overwhelming
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so beautiful, so gorgeous,
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so... that John
just falls down...
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I mean, it's like... it's like,
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when you see that
woman... for the first time.
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Jason: Yeah like Tiffany...
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Like Tiffany... there you go...
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you're going to meet her later
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but now you see her,
"I want to meet her now"
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Jason: Yeah...
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James: This is the way
Jesus is coming across,
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"I want to meet Him now, I
want to connect with Him now"
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And there's a very
powerful lesson there
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that we talk about
the need to die to self,
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well, the best way to die
to self is to look at Jesus
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because no man can see Him
and live, it's right there,
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no man can see Him and live,
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so, as I look at His face,
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I look at His glory,
self dies, in His presence
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a new life in Him,
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it's how we get the
revelation of Christ in us.
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Yvonne: Nice... nice...
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it's interesting
because this depiction of Christ
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is different
from the one in Isaiah
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where we're told
that He had no comeliness
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that we would desire Him
so this is a different...
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this is a different Jesus...
James: Glory... glory...
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Yvonne: This is the body that
was prepared for Him on earth,
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is different from this one.
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James: He's glorified now...
Yvonne: He's glorified now.
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And I love what
Ivor brought out too
00:12:22.50\00:12:24.31
because John dies and
that's a great illustration
00:12:24.34\00:12:27.84
death to self but
then Jesus revives him,
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"Don't... " He
puts His hand on him...
00:12:31.75\00:12:33.31
"Fear not, stand up, be revived"
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and we see the same picture
by-the-way in the Book of Daniel
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in Daniel chapter 10,
we see a similar picture
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of Christ... He's
the man clothed in linen
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in Daniel chapter 10,
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Yvonne, can you read
two verses for us there
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in Daniel 10 verses 5 and 6?
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Sure, "Then I lifted
up mine eyes, and looked,
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and behold a certain
man clothed in linen,
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whose loins were girded
with fine gold of Uphaz:
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His body also
was like the beryl,
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and his face as the
appearance of lightning,
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and his eyes as lamps of fire,
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and his arms and his feet like
in colour to polished brass,
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and the voice of his words
like the voice of a multitude. "
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You see that... that's
similar and then we have
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a similar response in
Daniel, what does Daniel do?
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In verse 7 he
talks about how he saw...
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"all the men fled,"
but then in verse 8,
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he says, "I was left
alone, I saw this great vision,
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and there remained no strength
in me: for my comeliness... "
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my goodness, my righteousness,
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all those good things
that I thought I had and was,
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"they were
turned into corruption,
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I retained no strength. "
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And he says, "I heard the voice
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and when I heard the
voice... " verse 9...
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"then I was in a deep sleep
on my face, toward the ground. "
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Same thing...
Ivor: "as if dead... "
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James: As if dead...
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And then what happens?
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He's revived,
heaven revives him.
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God revives him,
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hand is laid on
him... a voice is spoken...
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hand is laid on
him, a voice is spoken,
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see, this is the
process we go through
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we need to remember
that when we see Jesus,
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when we behold Jesus,
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we're going to be
overwhelmed by His goodness
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and His
unselfishness and His love
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and it's going to knock us out,
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we're going to feel unworthy,
we're going to feel corrupt,
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Daniel was a
blameless politician, okay,
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he was a man who
could stand without fault
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before fellow politicians,
00:14:25.16\00:14:26.73
there are men like that around,
here and there even today,
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okay, I'm not going
to mention any names,
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and yet, when he saw Jesus,
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all that
blamelessness was corruption
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because he... he
recognized the failure...
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we recognize the failure
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and so what's
going to happen is,
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when we're going to see
Jesus, we're going to go,
00:14:44.75\00:14:46.31
"Ah man! I don't even
know why... what... I don't...
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I might as well just
give up and we die... "
00:14:48.32\00:14:50.02
but then Jesus revives
us, everyday this happens,
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we see Jesus... we
die... He revives us...
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"Why did I speak
that way to my wife?"
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"Why am I so
selfish towards people?"
00:14:57.26\00:14:59.06
"Why is it that I
can't be courteous
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when I'm driving down the
road and someone cuts me off?"
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"Why is that I've got
all this anger inside?"
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"Lord, I just
want... I just give up!"
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And then Jesus
says, "It's all right... "
00:15:07.17\00:15:08.90
He touches us, he revives us...
He touches us, he revives us
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and we go
through this process...
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Ivor: Death,
burial, resurrection
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James: Yes!
00:15:14.24\00:15:15.58
Ivor: Death,
burial, resurrection
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so the more we practice
death, burial and resurrection,
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the more we'll be prepared
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for the actual death,
burial, resurrection process.
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And look, this is an incredible
connection now we just made
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between Revelation and Daniel,
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we're going to... we're going
to make that connection more
00:15:28.72\00:15:30.23
as we go through the Programs,
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right now we're in Revelation,
but here's a connection
00:15:31.79\00:15:33.73
and this
connection reminds us of...
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the Book of Revelation is a
supplement to the Book of Daniel
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there are some
principles in Revelation
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that help us to
understand Daniel...
00:15:40.90\00:15:42.47
that will help us to understand
the Book of Revelation.
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So, we want to actually
look at one more principle
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that we decided that it was
pretty crucial for us to get,
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notice again, we haven't jumped
into the churches or the seals
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or the trumpets yet,
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once we get this understanding,
then I think we're ready to go
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so here's the thing...
in the Book of Revelation...
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like, if I were to
invite you somewhere,
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invite you to a wedding,
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what two things
would you need to know?
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When and where.
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Timing and location,
those two things are crucial
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for understanding
the Book of Revelation.
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Think of the Book of Revelation
00:16:20.88\00:16:22.21
as an invitation
to the Wedding Feast,
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and at every point in
the Book of Revelation,
00:16:23.61\00:16:27.15
there's a journey that we're on,
we need to know where we are.
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So, if I drop my finger anywhere
in the Book of Revelation,
00:16:30.75\00:16:34.22
you should be able to
tell me time and location
00:16:34.26\00:16:37.66
of what's happening here,
00:16:37.69\00:16:39.19
the way that we get location,
00:16:39.23\00:16:41.33
we've already
discussed... the Sanctuary...
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we have to know where
we are at any given point
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in the Book of Revelation,
00:16:46.10\00:16:47.44
"Am I in the Holy Place
or the Most Holy Place?"
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Right? so that's one thing,
00:16:50.51\00:16:52.57
if you don't know
where you are, what are you?
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Lost... and there's a
reason why many people are lost
00:16:54.58\00:16:58.41
in the Book of Revelation
because, they're like,
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I don't even know where this
is, so, once you have location,
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that's step one,
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the other thing
that you need is timing,
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so let's talk
about that very quickly,
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oh well, let's talk about that.
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In the Book of Daniel there
are three "Time Prophecies"
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okay, and we're going to
go into this in more detail
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again in a later study,
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but we're just going to
kind of summarize it now.
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There is the 70-week Prophecy
that's found in Daniel 9,
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now that prophecy
basically pointed forward
00:17:27.48\00:17:30.81
to the coming of Christ, okay,
that's just in... in a nutshell,
00:17:30.85\00:17:34.78
it pointed forward to the
coming of Christ as the Messiah,
00:17:34.82\00:17:38.75
the 1,260-year Prophecy
is found in Daniel chapter 7,
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and that prophecy
points to this power
00:17:43.99\00:17:46.70
that is identified
as the "Little Horn"
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who would think to
change "times and laws,"
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okay, the third prophecy
is the 2,300-day Prophecy,
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which brings us
down to the year 1844
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and again we'll go into
this in more detail later on.
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And that's in Daniel 8,
so you have Daniel 7... 1,260
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you have Daniel 8...
2,300, Daniel 9... 70 weeks.
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Now, the key thing
to understand is that
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three prophecies are really one,
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they're just one time prophecy
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so they are different
sections of the same prophecy,
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so when the 70 weeks,
we understand the 70 weeks
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and all scholars
understand the 70 weeks
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to be 70 weeks of years,
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so the 490 days... 70
weeks... is really 490 years
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but since the
1,260 and the 2,300
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are connected to
the same prophecy,
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then they're all what...?
A day for a year... right?
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Very simple, so
you have 490 years...
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that's the 70-weeks,
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the 1,260... years...
and then the 2,300 years...
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this is the measuring
stick for the entire Bible,
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okay, specifically for
the Book of Revelation,
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this is how we get Historicism.
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Historicism is a teaching that
00:19:02.57\00:19:05.21
once again, these prophecies
unfold over a period of time
00:19:05.27\00:19:08.18
and that the "day
for a year principle"
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is a measuring stick
for these prophecies,
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the issue is, during
the Protestant Reformation,
00:19:14.68\00:19:19.79
most Protestants were
using the 1,260-year Prophecy
00:19:19.85\00:19:24.86
to point to the Papacy as the
fulfillment of this prophecy,
00:19:24.89\00:19:29.90
so they had a Council...
because they were like,
00:19:29.93\00:19:32.80
"What are we going to
do, we've got to do something
00:19:32.83\00:19:34.20
because people are
leaving in droves... "
00:19:34.24\00:19:35.57
well, guess what they did?
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James: You were saying
the Papacy had a Council...
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Ivor: Yes,
Council of Trent, okay
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and in this Council,
00:19:41.14\00:19:42.84
they decided to come up with
two new schools of prophecy,
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prophetic interpretation,
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one was called Preterism...
one was called Futurism...
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both these schools of
prophecy changed "times"
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:19:58.43\00:20:00.06
Ivor: So
remember Daniel 7:25 says,
00:20:00.10\00:20:02.26
"this power will think
to change times and laws"
00:20:02.30\00:20:05.03
now we usually talk
about the Sabbath being changed
00:20:05.07\00:20:07.77
but "times... " wait a minute...
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so they're going to attempt to
change time prophecy to do what?
00:20:10.81\00:20:14.28
Throw you off from
the correct interpretation
00:20:14.31\00:20:17.58
so you don't know where you
are... or what time it is...
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so if you don't have the
right time, you're off...
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Yvonne: Right...
00:20:26.05\00:20:27.39
Ivor: You're lost...
location, time, location, time,
00:20:27.42\00:20:29.42
so these two
schools of prophecy,
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Preterism...
it's all in the past,
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Futurism... it's
all in the future...
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couldn't possibly be the Papacy,
00:20:34.60\00:20:35.93
it's in the future,
or it's in the past,
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it was designed to throw one off
00:20:37.90\00:20:41.07
from the true
prophetic interpretation, okay,
00:20:41.10\00:20:44.47
so, understanding this,
we need to realize, okay,
00:20:44.51\00:20:47.84
"I need to know what time it is"
00:20:47.88\00:20:49.21
the 70 weeks,
the 1,260 and 2,300
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are crucial to
understanding prophecy
00:20:51.91\00:20:54.52
so let me show you
just a couple of examples,
00:20:54.55\00:20:56.18
we talked about this
a little bit earlier...
00:20:56.22\00:20:57.92
in our last program,
00:20:57.95\00:20:59.29
the life of Christ, okay,
00:20:59.32\00:21:01.56
is a snapshot of
the life of the church,
00:21:01.62\00:21:06.19
we are to follow
His example, okay,
00:21:06.26\00:21:08.76
"these are they that follow the
lamb withersoever He goes... "
00:21:08.80\00:21:11.93
so look, just
as Christ was born,
00:21:12.00\00:21:13.70
you have the birth
of the early church,
00:21:13.74\00:21:16.60
just as Christ was baptized,
00:21:16.64\00:21:19.27
you have the baptism of the
early church... Day of Pentecost
00:21:19.31\00:21:22.94
after Christ was
baptized, where does he go?
00:21:22.98\00:21:25.68
Oh, by-the-way, the
birth and baptism of Christ,
00:21:25.71\00:21:28.38
points us to the
70-week Prophecy... right?
00:21:28.42\00:21:32.42
the 70-week prophecy
points to the birth of Christ,
00:21:32.45\00:21:34.89
so, after this...
His birth and baptism,
00:21:34.92\00:21:38.79
you then have Christ
going into the wilderness.
00:21:38.86\00:21:41.93
Yvonne: Right...
00:21:41.96\00:21:43.30
Ivor: Wait a minute...
that points me to the 1,260...
00:21:43.33\00:21:46.43
when the church goes
into the wilderness, right?
00:21:46.47\00:21:49.87
When Jesus comes
out of the wilderness,
00:21:49.90\00:21:52.67
this is amazing! one of
the first things He does
00:21:52.71\00:21:55.41
after coming out
of the wilderness,
00:21:55.44\00:21:57.55
He goes to a wedding feast
and then He cleanses the Temple,
00:21:57.61\00:22:02.92
so remember, the 1,260
brings us down to 1798, right?
00:22:02.95\00:22:08.36
then when Jesus comes
out of the wilderness,
00:22:08.39\00:22:10.79
it would reflect the church
00:22:10.83\00:22:12.93
also coming out of
the wilderness after 1798
00:22:12.96\00:22:16.16
and then what does He
do? He cleanses the temple,
00:22:16.20\00:22:18.70
the prophecy of the 2,300 days
00:22:18.73\00:22:21.20
point's us to the
cleansing of the temple.
00:22:21.24\00:22:24.54
And also, He ordained...
00:22:24.57\00:22:27.48
not ordained but He
calls His disciples,
00:22:27.51\00:22:29.68
so when the church
comes out of the wilderness,
00:22:29.71\00:22:32.18
God calls His people
out of all these churches
00:22:32.21\00:22:34.62
to start this remnant that
we call, "The Remnant Movement,"
00:22:34.65\00:22:37.32
"The Last-day
Movement" "The Church of God. "
00:22:37.35\00:22:40.26
Absolutely, so... so
this force is the 2,300
00:22:40.29\00:22:43.12
and by-the-way,
the Jews said to Him,
00:22:43.16\00:22:44.89
"Forty and six years
we've been building this temple,
00:22:44.93\00:22:47.56
will you raise it up
again in three days?"
00:22:47.60\00:22:50.53
If you take 46
years, and add it to 1,798
00:22:50.57\00:22:53.44
you come to 1844,
that's just crazy...
00:22:53.54\00:22:57.21
that's just crazy!
00:22:57.24\00:22:58.67
So, after that, what
do you have Jesus doing?
00:22:58.71\00:23:01.84
He's preaching,
teaching and healing,
00:23:01.88\00:23:04.75
what is God's church
doing at the end of time?
00:23:04.78\00:23:06.95
Preaching, teaching, healing,
00:23:06.98\00:23:08.68
then, He gets
persecuted because of Sabbath,
00:23:08.75\00:23:12.05
what's going to happen to
the church at the end-time?
00:23:12.09\00:23:15.29
The very same thing, okay,
00:23:15.32\00:23:17.06
then He goes through
His Gethsemane experience,
00:23:17.09\00:23:19.16
and then death,
burial and resurrection,
00:23:19.19\00:23:21.40
death decree... death,
burial and resurrection,
00:23:21.46\00:23:23.90
so we find in the life of Christ
this 70... 1,260... 2,300...
00:23:23.93\00:23:29.57
we find the same thing
in the Book of Revelation,
00:23:29.60\00:23:33.41
in fact, if you look at
this, you know what Jesus said,
00:23:33.44\00:23:36.48
"if you have ought against
your brother, go to him...
00:23:36.51\00:23:39.48
and if he won't
hear, take two witnesses,
00:23:39.51\00:23:41.85
if he won't hear it,
take it to the church... "
00:23:41.88\00:23:43.79
70 weeks, Christ had
been with His church,
00:23:43.82\00:23:47.89
He comes to them
Himself, they reject Him,
00:23:47.92\00:23:51.39
so guess what He does,
He sends two witnesses...
00:23:51.43\00:23:54.76
1,260-year
Prophecy, and what happened?
00:23:54.83\00:23:59.53
they reject those two
witnesses, so what next?
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Okay, I'm going to bring
it to my church... 1844...
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if they don't hear
the church, that's it,
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this process of
70... 1,260... 2,300...
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is found all
throughout the Scriptures...
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And by-the-way, in that thing...
I mean, in that story...
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in Matthew 18...
the context of that...
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Peter says, "How often shall
we forgive... seven times?"
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And Jesus says,
"Seventy times seven... "
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He's referring right
back to that prophecy...
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see the... the Bible is profound
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and the lessons here are deep
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and the layers are just
intimate and God is the author
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and there's just beautiful
pictures that just flow...
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So I'm going to
share this last point,
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I know we're
running out of time, but,
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so taking that understanding,
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we should be able to go
anywhere in the Scripture...
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in the Book of Revelation
and we should be looking,
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"Where am I? Am I in the 70...
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am I in the 1,260?
or am I in the 2,300?"
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James: Post 1844...
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Ivor: Post 1844, if
you look in Revelation 12,
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you'll find all
three prophecies there,
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first you have
the birth of Christ,
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what is that? what time?
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James: That's 70
weeks... Ivor: 70 weeks,
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then we have the woman
going into the wilderness,
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what is that?
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James: 1,260... Ivor: 1,260...
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then you have the dragon going
to make war with the remnant,
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"who keep the
commandments of God,"
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what is that?
James: Post 1844...
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Ivor: 2,300... and
here's what's amazing, James,
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after Revelation 12,
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the 70-week
Prophecy... falls off the scene,
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you're only now
dealing with 2,300-Day Prophecy
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and 1,260...
James: And post-1844...
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Ivor: before Revelation 12,
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you have 70
weeks... 1,260... 2,300...
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after Revelation 12,
you have only 2,300...
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James: Yeah, which
just lines up perfectly
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with the principles
we've been learning.
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Ivor: Absolutely...
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James: Primarily pre-
primarily post 1844...
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you divide it... and another
thing that's really interesting,
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if you look at the gospels,
each one of them has a chapter
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that is dedicated to prophecy,
Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21,
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John doesn't... because John...
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God led him to write
the Book of Revelation,
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but each one of them have a
chapter dedicated to prophecy,
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and each of those
chapters talks the 70-week part,
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the 1,260 part
and the end of time,
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each one of them breaks
up those sections, okay...
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Ivor: Absolutely, absolutely.
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James: And we don't... we're
not going to get into details
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because we are
running out of time,
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but here's one point
that I wanted to make,
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Jesus... after he gives
the prophetic declaration,
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in Matthew 24... He
gives a parable in Matthew 25,
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about the ten virgins,
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five were wise,
five were foolish
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and the foolish
virgins missed the time,
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they missed the time
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they were studying their Bibles,
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they were looking at it
but they missed the time,
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and the bridegroom came and
went and they were thinking,
00:26:40.16\00:26:42.13
"no... this is going to
be... at some future time,
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this is going to be at some
future time," they weren't ready
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and they were so wrapped up in
the world that they weren't...
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and that's the mistake we
can make with Bible Prophecy,
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is to allow the world
to interpret it for us
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and to be so
wrapped up in events
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that we miss what
God has actually declared
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and what He's actually saying.
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Yvonne: Yes... yes... yes.
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James: Okay, we
are almost out of time,
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we want to, I think, remind us
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and those who are watching
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that we are interested
in answering questions,
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we're covering
some good material here
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the table is being set
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and there's one
course after another...
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one course after another,
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we haven't even
gotten to dessert yet,
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though we did take
a little taste of it
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when we talked about the Bible
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but we want to answer
questions and they can...
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those questions
can be sent in to...
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Yvonne: sss as in
Salvation in Symbols and Signs,
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sss@3... the number 3ABN.org
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SSS@3ABN.ORG
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send in your questions and
we will attempt to answer them.
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Yvonne: Video questions.
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James: Video questions,
we want video questions.
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Yvonne: We want video questions,
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that will make it
even more interesting.
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James: Yvonne, close out for us.
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Yvonne: Sure, "Father
God, thank you so much
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for this study and the
richness of your Word, Lord,
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we can just mine
the depths of your Word
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and just get all of these gems,
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so thank you so much
and continue to bless us
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and keep us Lord
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and help us to be focused
on you and not distracted,
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we pray in Jesus' name... amen.
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All: Amen, amen.
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