Well, we don't have an agenda
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to get through this
Book in so many sessions,
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so we're very open and really
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as we've been studying
the Book of Revelation,
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Salvation in Symbols and Signs,
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we haven't gone very far,
we're really still in chapter 1,
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we've kind of moved
around the Book a little bit,
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here and there and
trying to get some big pictures
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but I love this because I
want us to really understand
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everything that
we're learning here
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rather than just throw
a bunch of information in
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that we don't comprehend,
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and that we just don't...
doesn't make sense... you know,
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but we're just kind of trying
to get through this thing...
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and maybe we'll
remember 10 percent,
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no, let's really
understand what we're learning
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and go point by point
and Sanctuary symbolism...
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great foundation,
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the theme of
salvation... it's vital...
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our "repeat and
enlarge" is vital.
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There are a lot of questions
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that people
have about Revelation
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and that's why I'm
glad you guys are with us
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even though we've...
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we're supposedly preaching...
teaching this, et cetera,
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you guys... novice...
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not necessarily
even understanding it,
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so you can moderate
our whole conversation here
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and make sure
that we stay on track,
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we don't get too
deep and too far ahead
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and I want to... I want
to make sure you have the
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power and the
freedom to moderate us
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and to bring up
questions that you might have
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so... let's... as we
get into this next session
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we're going to be talking about
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the importance of
putting Jesus first
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and that's what
we see in Revelation,
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we see Jesus first and so
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I'd like us to open
with a word of prayer,
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maybe Yvonne,
you can pray for us
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and then we'll
get right into it.
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Sure... "Father
God, thank you so much
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for allowing us the
privilege to open your Word
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and to study your Word and
glean these precious truths
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from your Word,
so as we study now
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and talk... we just
pray for your anointing
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and the power
of your Holy Spirit
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and the presence of
your Spirit to be with us
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thank you oh God in
Jesus' name... amen.
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All: Amen...
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Revelation is so profoundly
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gospel focused
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that it's a wonder
that people miss it,
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now Martin Luther did miss it,
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we talked about his
preamble to Revelation
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that was written in 1522
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he just said,
"Christ isn't in here"
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but then he got it,
eight years later... he got it
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and I'm sure he's
thinking to himself,
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"Why did I ever...
how did I ever miss this?"
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But I think there's a reason,
I think we come with a...
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many people come to
the Book of Revelation
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with pre-conceptions
that they've got...
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like you... watched that movie,
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I watched the same
movie, by-the-way...
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"Saved by DL... "
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and I want to just be a
little bit more frank here
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and maybe step on a few toes,
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my wife was raised in the
church, born and raised in Loma
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Linda, she attended her
first Revelation Seminar
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when she was probably somewhere
between 8- and 10-years of age,
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and she went from those meetings
with a fear of the end of times
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and The Mark of the Beast
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and the crisis
at the end of time,
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she didn't leave those
meetings with a blessing
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and the happiness and the joy,
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that anywhere with
Jesus I can safely go...
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anywhere, anywhere,
fear I cannot know...
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okay, so I'm going to
say that part of the guilt
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and I might even say,
the majority of the guilt
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for people being
afraid of Revelation
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is on us as Christians,
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we as Christians
bear responsibility
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because of the way that
we have presented this book
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and some of
that has been because
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we know that prophecy is
where people are interested in,
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so we throw up the beast
and we throw up the images,
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and we talk about
the end of the times
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and that attracts the people
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but I think we're
living in a time where people
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are going to be
attracted by Jesus,
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Jesus is lovely enough,
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and Jesus says
in John chapter 12,
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and verse 32, "And I,
if I be lifted up... "
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will what?
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"I'm going to draw all... "
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yeah, everyone is
going to be drawn to Him,
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so, I think we
should take Him at His word,
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now, this is what I
like about Revelation,
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it begins with Jesus,
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it's the
Revelation of Jesus Christ
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and the first
vision that John sees
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in Revelation, and
it's... it's Revelation...
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let's just read...
Revelation chapter one...
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and read verses 10, 11 and 12,
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Jason, would you
read those for us?
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Revelation 1:10, 11 and 12...
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Sure, "I was in the
Spirit on the Lord's day,
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and heard behind me a
great voice, as of a trumpet,
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Saying, I am Alpha and
Omega, the first and the last:
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and, What thou
seest, write in a book,
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and send it unto the seven
churches which are in Asia;
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unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna
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and unto Pergamos,
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and unto Thyatira,
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and unto Sardis,
and unto Philadelphia,
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and unto Laodicea.
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And I turned to see the
voice that spake with me.
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And being turned, I saw
seven golden candlesticks;
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And in the midst of
the seven candlesticks
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one like unto the Son of
man, clothed with a garment
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down to the foot,
and girt about the paps
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with a golden girdle. "
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Okay, so, here is
John... he's in vision...
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he was in the
Spirit on the Lord's day
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and by-the-way the
"Lord's day" is the Sabbath
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Jesus says, "I am the
Lord of the Sabbath. "
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Yvonne: I was going
to mention that, yeah,
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because that's often used for...
you know, to justify Sunday...
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Listen, I'm just going
to put this as an aside...
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there are five modern
versions of the Bible today
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that are printed... in print,
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that say, "the Lord's Day,"
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that actually have in
the verse, verse 10...
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Sunday, or the
first day of the week,
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it's not in the Greek,
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it's not backed up
by any Greek manuscript,
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it's just in there,
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modern
transliterations of the...
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so, you're
right, it's becoming...
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the changes to the Word of God
are becoming very significant
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in relation to some of
the modern translations
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and we just need
to be aware of that,
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I encourage people
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"Get as many
translations as you can,
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because, you know, it helps
you to understand the text... "
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but also, be aware that
there are some major changes
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in these translations...
be aware of that.
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So, John is going to
vision for the first time
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the Spirit is coming
upon him for the first time,
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John has been given
this Apocalyptic Book
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that teaches about
prophecies, especially,
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eschatological, which means,
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last-day events... okay...
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and he's going to
see about the Antichrist
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and this... that...
and the other and so
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what is the first
thing that God shows him?
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Jesus...
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Yvonne: Oh, I love it...
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Jesus first...
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and I think it
becomes us to recognize this
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as a call to our
methods of evangelism,
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our methods of
reaching the world,
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that God... when we
present the Book of Revelation,
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we don't start in chapter
13, God starts in chapter 1,
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He doesn't start in chapter 13,
chapter 13 is the Antichrist,
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"We want to start
with the Antichrist... "
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No don't
start... "You want to know
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who the Antichrist is?
Come to these meetings!"
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These kinds of meetings
tell you about the Antichrist...
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no... these meetings will
tell you about Jesus Christ
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and everything that you need
to know about the Antichrist,
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will be seen as the
opposite of Jesus Christ.
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Ivor: We kind of
focus on the wrong Christ.
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James: Yes...
Yvonne: laughing...
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Okay, if we can
learn all about Christ,
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we will be able to
identify the Antichrist,
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you spot the counterfeit
by knowing the genuine
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so you know the genuine...
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and so and this is the blueprint
we have here... Jesus first...
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now here is something that
I think is really significant
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in the way that we
approach this book,
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Satan's doing everything
he can to get us sidetracked
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away from this book to bring
it to us as a book of fear,
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if we can put Christ first
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and recognize that
the very principles
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of interpreting
this book are based
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in the character of
God and the heart of God,
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now, the reason
why I say this is
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because I want us to
look at three verses,
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I want us to look at Revelation
chapter one and verse four,
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if you could read
these verses for us, Yvonne,
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Revelation 1 verse 4.
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"John to the seven
churches which are in Asia:
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Grace be unto you, and
peace, from him which is,
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and which was,
and which is to come;
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and from the seven Spirits
which are before his throne... "
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Okay, grace and peace,
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you see that right
there? Yvonne: Yes...
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James: And then another phrase,
that we're going to highlight,
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"Him which is... which was,
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and which is to come"
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now tell me what that
means, what does it mean,
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"which is, which
was, and which is to come"
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give me other
words for those phrases.
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Yvonne: Eternal...
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James: Okay... Jason:
Past, present, future.
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James: Past,
present, future or eternal...
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past, present, future,
let's use those three phrases,
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past, present, future, okay...
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now let's take that to
verse 8, let's read verse 8.
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"I am Alpha and Omega,
the beginning and the ending,
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saith the Lord,
which is, and which was,
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and which is to
come, the Almighty.
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There's that phrase
again, now remember,
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this is the introduction
of the Book of Revelation
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so God is introducing principles
here that are foundation
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for interpreting
the Book of Revelation.
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God, so far, twice
says, "past, present, future,
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I was... I am... I will be...
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I was, I am, I will be,
I was, I am, I will be...
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now, look at verse
19 and let's read that,
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"Write the things
which thou has seen,
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and the things which are,
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and the things which
shall be hereafter... "
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James: Ah ha, do you
see the same phrases?
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Past... things which have seen,
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the present... the
things which are...
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and future... the
things which shall be.
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The Book of Revelation is
a revelation of God Himself,
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a God who has been
with His people in the past,
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is with his people today
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and will be with his
people in the future,
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Amos 3:7 says,
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"Surely the
Lord God will do...?"
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Yvonne: "nothing... "
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James: "nothing...
except He reveals his secrets
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unto his
servants the prophets. "
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God is at work in the
history of the human race,
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the book of Revelation
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is a prophetic
history of the human race,
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God is at work in the
history of the human race,
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past, present, future.
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Don't be
selfish, end-time people,
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don't try to take all
that prophecy for yourself,
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some of that prophecy belongs
to those people in the past
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because God loves them too.
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Okay, don't be so
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James: negligent...
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Jason: self-centered
James: yes... self-centered...
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and don't try to
scuff it off to the future,
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and those guys over
there, they're going to get
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all that prophecy...
that's all for them...
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no, part of that
prophecy is for now,
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right now... you see,
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because God is a
God who has been,
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who is and who will be
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and the Book of
Revelation is written for those
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in the past, in the
present and in the future
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and that's what
we call "Historicism"
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Historicism...
Yvonne: Oh... okay...
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Jason: I mean you can
turn on the news right now
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and see that
prophecy is being fulfilled
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we see it when
you look on the News
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and you see some of the things
that are going on in the world,
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you see
prophecy being fulfilled.
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Now, could you look at
the News a 100 years ago
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and see
prophecy being fulfilled?
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Yes! What about 200 years ago?
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Yes! you see...
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Jason: If the had TV back then
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they'd be able to do that.
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James: That's right, you
can turn on the Newspaper
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or turn on the gossip
news or whatever it was,
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however they
communicated... you know...
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and so that's the point
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and this is why we
approach the Book of Revelation
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with this phrase,
past, present and future,
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what is basically
summarized as Historicism
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because it reveals
a God, Jesus Christ
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and the heart of God who
is always with His people,
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always will be with His people,
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or... who always has
been with His people,
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is with His people and
always will be with His people
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and that's why
the Book of Revelation
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is so powerful in its context
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of past, present and future,
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now there is...
go ahead, Ivor...
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We just about to share that
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there are
three... or actually four
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different
schools of interpretation
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when it comes to
the Book of Revelation.
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One is Historicism,
which is the idea that
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prophecy has been
unfolding throughout history
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and there has never
been a time or a people
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who have been without the
prophecies of God to guide them
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in their particular time, okay,
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okay... um...
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the Bible says that the
prophecies are like a...
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"We have a more sure
word of prophecy... "
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and it describes it as a light,
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so God has never left
His people without light.
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For those who don't know
what the word "prophecy" means
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to prophecy or
to... what is prophecy?
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So, prophecy is the
foretelling of events
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before they come to pass,
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when Jesus says, "I am...
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behold I tell you these
things before they happen
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so that you may
know that I am He... "
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prophecy is really the thing
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that sets Jesus and
the Heavenly Father aside
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from every other false god
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because no other
god can "foretell... "
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God says, "Call
all your gods together
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and let them
tell you the future,
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if they can tell you the
future, let them be God. "
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Yvonne: Ah... ah ha...
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"so, now, grab your holy book,
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whatever choice
of holy book you have
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and let's see how
your... your central figure
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foretold the future,
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because if that person can
actually foretell the future,
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then I'll listen to them. "
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And that's Isaiah 48 and
also John 13:19 and John 14:27
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"I told you before
it comes to pass...
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that when it comes to
pass, you might believe"
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"I am the God,
there's no other God like me,
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foretelling the end from
the beginning... " etc...
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So that's Historicism
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and by and large...
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most of the Protestant
Reformers were Historicists.
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Preterism is a teaching
that most of the prophecies
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of the Book of
Revelation were fulfilled
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by the first century A.D.
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so we really have no you know...
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significance for us
today the Antichrist was Nero
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and so the
prophecies were in the past,
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we just kind of learn
lessons from those things today.
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Futurism teaches
the exact opposite,
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which is... "These prophecies...
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are all... actually
from Revelation 4 onward
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are all future...
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and God's people don't even
really need to understand it
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because we're
not going to be here
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so this is for a time
after the church has gone
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that Antichrist will appear
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so these three
schools of prophecy
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and then there's
idealism which is basically
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that the Book of Revelation
is just a bunch of principles
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and you glean
gospel principles...
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which is...
absolutely there are principles
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in the Book of Revelation,
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the gospel principles are
found in the Book of Revelation
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well you take away
the history and say,
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"The history is
not really applicable,
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these are just gospel lessons,
lessons of salvation... "
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James: People go through
conflict are thrown in together.
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Yeah, so these are the
four schools of thought
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when it comes to
the Book of Revelation.
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But three of them violate
the laws that God lays down.
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And His very nature...
the very person of God...
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who says, "I'm He which
is and was and is to come"
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which is really
beautiful to me because
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the principle of interpreting
the very Word of God
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is found in the
very character of God,
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His Word and His
character are the...
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and isn't that what it
says in John chapter 1,
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"The Word was made
flesh and dwelt among us... "
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so it's... this is the
way I'd like to illustrate it,
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it's kind of like whole wheat...
whole wheat has the whole...
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has everything in
it, everything you need,
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now, if you take the
bran out of the whole wheat,
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which is the fiber,
and some people do that,
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they take the bran... and they
want to eat their white flour
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and their white stuff...
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but they want to make
sure they're getting fiber
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so they sprinkle a little bran
on the cereal in the morning
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hoping to get
their fiber, you know,
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okay, or you could
take just the white flour
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and they don't
like whole wheat flour
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or... and I do
struggle with brown rice,
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I like my white
rice but last night
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when I stopped to get some,
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he said, "You want
white rice or brown?"
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I said, "Can you
mix them both together?"
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So I put a
little brown... okay...
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I'm not sure on the
rice but I know flour,
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I used to eat Wonder bread
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and I would just
take that Wonder bread
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and I would roll it up like this
and scarf it and scarf it...
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and I remember
the first time I ate
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a slice of whole wheat bread,
and I was like, "Whoa... "
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I was like, "Wow,
that really hit home,"
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I can eat a whole
bag of Wonder bread,
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and not even...
so, what God does
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with Historicism is He
puts in the whole wheat,
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He puts in everything we need,
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now, when you
take Historicism out
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and you just say, "It's
past, " that's Preterism...
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when you take the...
the whole wheat apart
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you would say, "It's future"
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that's Futurism, so
that will be like the bran,
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this would be
like the white flour,
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and God wants us to
have the whole grain,
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with all the nutrients there,
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so when you look at Historicism,
it doesn't exclude futurism,
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it's incorporated into it,
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there are some
prophecies in the future,
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when you look at Historicism,
it doesn't exclude Preterism,
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There's some past there,
there's some Preterism there,
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but it doesn't isolate
it, make it all past, you see,
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you don't go to extremes,
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and is there
idealism in Historicism?
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Absolutely,
idealism is in there.
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You see the
principles that are incorporated
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into these historical events
and into these conflicts...
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you see the principles
but it's not isolated,
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we don't make idealism
the only way to understand it
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so Historicism actually takes
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everything and
puts it altogether.
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Yvonne: Oh, that's
good James: I love it.
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Ivor: So if you are...
we were talking about the
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Sanctuary symbols
a little bit earlier
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and actually if you
go back to the Sanctuary,
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you see something
that really is amazing
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when it comes to
the seven churches,
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the seven seals
and the seven trumpets,
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but before I touch on that,
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we were talking a little
bit earlier about the number 7
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yeah... and... so
where's the first time you see
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seven in the Bible?
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Yvonne: Seventh day...
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Ivor: That's right... it's
in the Book of Genesis right?
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And what you have in Genesis
are the six days of Creation
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followed by the
Seventh-day Sabbath.
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Yvonne: Right...
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Ivor: So, looking at
this pattern of one to seven,
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what you have here is
a complete cycle of time
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the numbers one to seven would
represent one through seven
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would represent a
complete cycle of time,
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that's the first thing we have
presented to us in Scripture.
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So when I take that principle
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and bring it over to
the Book of Revelation,
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we have seven
churches, seven seals,
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right... seven trumpets...
so what do they represent?
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A series of events that occur,
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over a complete cycle of time.
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Right, so now I
have to find out, okay,
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"What is complete cycle of time?
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when is the beginning
and when is the ending?"
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And lo and behold,
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you find... in
almost... in all the sevens...
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you find the
second coming of Christ,
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and in all the "ones"
you find early church...
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what happened?
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Events unfolding right after
the resurrection of Christ,
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so then, I can come
to the conclusion that,
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"Okay, these seven
churches represent a period...
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a series of events that
unfold... over a cycle of time
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from the death, burying
and resurrection of Christ,
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all the way down
to the second coming,
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the same is going to be
true for the seven seals,
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the same is going to be
true for the seven trumpets
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so I've allowed
principle to determine
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my view of the
churches, seals and trumpets.
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Yvonne: Okay... Ivor: Okay...
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now I'm going to
show you something else
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and just go quickly with me
to Exodus chapter 30 verse 7,
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and maybe someone else
can find Leviticus 24 verse 8.
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So Exodus 30 verse 7
and Leviticus 24 verse 8.
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And what does it say there?
00:20:09.80\00:20:19.21
"And Aaron shall burn thereon
sweet incense every morning:
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when he dresseth the lamps,
he shall burn incense upon it. "
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Okay, that's talking
about the Alter of Incense
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and the
seven-branched candlestick,
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so the Bible is
simply telling us
00:20:32.59\00:20:34.16
that whenever the priest
ministered at the candlestick,
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he was also to minister
at the Alter of Incense,
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okay, now, Leviticus 24 verse 8,
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"Every Sabbath he shall
set it in order before the Lord
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continually,
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being taken from
the children of Israel
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by an everlasting covenant. "
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Okay if you read
just up a verse earlier,
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it's speaking about
the Table of Shewbread,
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which is, once again, these
three articles of furniture
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are all found where? In
the Holy Place all right?
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So what does this tell us?
00:21:06.39\00:21:07.73
It basically tells
us that the High Priest,
00:21:07.76\00:21:10.13
I'm sorry, the Priest...
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whenever he
ministered in the Holy Place,
00:21:11.53\00:21:14.40
it was a
simultaneous ministry going on,
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in other words,
00:21:17.61\00:21:18.94
when he ministered
at the Candlestick,
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he was also to be ministering
at the Alter of Incense
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and every Sabbath, at
the Table of Shewbread,
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okay, so, this tells us
00:21:26.01\00:21:28.75
that the ministry of the
priest in the Holy Place,
00:21:28.78\00:21:32.62
was a simultaneous ministry,
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okay, what does that show
us in the Book of Revelation?
00:21:35.79\00:21:39.03
That the seven
churches, the seven seals,
00:21:39.09\00:21:43.13
and the seven trumpets...
all are unfolding... how?
00:21:43.16\00:21:47.80
Simultaneously.
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And it tells us that
because the churches begin
00:21:49.80\00:21:52.27
with a picture of
Christ and the candlesticks,
00:21:52.31\00:21:54.74
the seals begin
with a picture of Christ
00:21:54.78\00:21:57.51
before the Table of Shewbread,
00:21:57.55\00:21:58.88
and the trumpets begin
with a picture of Christ
00:21:58.91\00:22:01.52
before the Alter of Incense,
00:22:01.55\00:22:02.88
they each one...
00:22:02.92\00:22:04.62
and each one of
them, by-the-way,
00:22:04.65\00:22:05.99
highlights a
different phase of the gospel,
00:22:06.02\00:22:08.99
with Christ and
the candlesticks,
00:22:09.02\00:22:11.36
Christ is with us,
that's the incarnation,
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He is with us,
He's with the churches,
00:22:13.40\00:22:15.33
with Christ and the seals,
00:22:15.36\00:22:17.00
He's the lamb that is slain
in the midst of the throne,
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okay, so He's in the throne
room there... before the throne
00:22:19.63\00:22:22.74
and He's
slain... that's the cross,
00:22:22.77\00:22:24.21
that's Calvary,
00:22:24.24\00:22:25.57
in the seven trumpets,
Christ is pictured there as
00:22:25.61\00:22:28.98
having incense that He takes and
offers with the present saints
00:22:29.01\00:22:33.38
on the golden
alter before the throne
00:22:33.42\00:22:35.18
which is the golden alter...
is... the Alter of Incense...
00:22:35.22\00:22:38.15
so that's intersession...
so you have incarnation,
00:22:38.19\00:22:40.76
crucifixion and intercession,
00:22:40.79\00:22:42.12
and in one last
picture that we see here
00:22:42.16\00:22:44.59
that's very interesting
is the one in Revelation 12,
00:22:44.66\00:22:47.03
the woman brings forth a child,
00:22:47.06\00:22:48.76
and she's caught to
God into His throne...
00:22:48.80\00:22:51.87
He's caught up to
God into His throne
00:22:51.90\00:22:54.00
and so we have
this double emphasis on
00:22:54.04\00:22:56.07
Christ being caught up
to God into His throne,
00:22:56.10\00:22:58.64
which is what
happens as He's resurrected
00:22:58.67\00:23:01.14
and begins His mediation...
His intercessory work there,
00:23:01.21\00:23:04.05
each one of these epochs
and each one of these churches,
00:23:04.08\00:23:06.88
seals, trumpets
and salvation signs
00:23:06.92\00:23:08.28
begins in the apostolic age,
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begins at this Holy
Place simultaneous ministry
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it shows us the
churches, seals and trumpets
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are all cycles of
seven that parallel...
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that run down
together at the same time,
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it happened simultaneously.
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Yvonne: Hmmm...
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So we couldn't say that
the seven churches occur here
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but then the seven seals
occur after the seven churches
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or the seven
trumpets occur after this...
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no... they are...
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they unfold simultaneously
how do we know that?
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Because we look
back at the Sanctuary Law
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and we see,
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yeah, the priest
was to minister how?
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Simultaneously...
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so the trumpets have to be
unfolding at the same time...
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Yvonne: Is all this pre-1844?
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Ivor: And most of it is pre-1844
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till we get to Revelation
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chapter 11 verse
15 to 19... pre-1844.
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Because the cycle
takes us to the second coming
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and the second coming...
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and we'll just
look at this again,
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the second coming is...
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we get a snippet
of it in the churches,
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the Laodicean Church is the
church of judgment, that's...
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okay we get a
snippet of it in the seals
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"Who will be able to
stand before the throne
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and before the lamb?"
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And they all head for the hills
and the rocks and the mountains,
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saying, "fall on us
and hide us from the face"
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we get a snippet
of it in the trumpets
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"And the
seventh angel sounded...
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and the kingdoms of this world
became the kingdoms of our Lord,
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and of his Christ; and he
will rule for ever and ever. "
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The last part of
everyone of those,
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you know...
cycles... is the second coming,
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but in Revelation
12, 13 and onward...
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the whole focus is
about the second coming
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it's about the Antichrist,
it's about the beast power
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it's about the lamb-like power
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and it's the Mark of the Beast
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and then it's about
this group of people
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that give the
three angels' messages
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all post 1844 and
then you have the harvest
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and you see Revelation 15
and 16 the seven last plagues
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and then you see a reverse
back... well 17, the judgments,
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the outline of the
history and then verse...
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chapter 18, you see the earth
lightened with the glory of God,
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it's all... all
of it emphasize...
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is emphasized in
the very last part,
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so that last part is kind
of a huge magnifying lens,
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if you will, on the
little snippets we saw
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in the three previous sections
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we saw little
snippets... it was incoming
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and now the last
epic magnifies that,
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that's what
"repeat and enlarge" does
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repeat and enlarge,
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enlarges upon areas that
have been touched on over here
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but haven't really
been brought out...
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So it's like the last parts
of the churches, seals, trumpets
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transition us
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into Most Holy Place
language and symbols, okay,
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but the majority of it
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are things that have
been occurring in the past
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from Jesus' time up until 1844
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and so, now I have
something that... I just...
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Let me just touch
on a point right here
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and that's why it says here
when Jesus gives this to John,
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He says... in verse one,
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"These are things which
must shortly come to pass. "
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"Shortly come to pass"
means they begin in John's time,
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they begin in Jesus'
time, "shortly come to pass... "
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So, coming to pass
doesn't mean, it hasn't...
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it hasn't been
fulfilled... James: Right.
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Yvonne: It means
it's... "it's going to happen. "
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Yeah, "coming to
pass" is when it starts,
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"this is shortly
going to come to pass,"
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Historicism says there's a
past and a present and a future
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and so, some of
these prophecies,
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that are "past" to us,
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were being
fulfilled in John's time
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so when John was
given this book...
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"shortly come to pass... "
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these prophecies
are going to happen
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very shortly... in your time,
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we look back now, we
see they've been fulfilled
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but in John's time,
they were being fulfilled.
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"Coming to pass... "
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Sometimes people say,
"Well, it says right there,
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'shortly come to pass,'
how come Jesus hasn't come yet,
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how come the second coming of
Christ hasn't taken place yet?
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It said it would
shortly come to pass. "
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Well, that's because,
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they don't understand
the nature of prophecy,
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the nature of prophecy is
as we've outlined it here is
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is... past, present and
future, it's a revelation...
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and prophecies are
revelation of history of events
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that God has foretold
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that takes place
over a process of time
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as you said, and I
love that whole idea
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over a cycle of time,
what is the cycle of time?
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From the incarnation of Christ,
from the death of Christ,
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from the resurrection of Christ,
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from the
outpouring of the Holy Spirit,
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until the second
coming of Jesus Christ.
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As we get into
Revelation chapter 20 and 21,
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even past that... 1,000 years
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and into the new
heaven and the new earth.
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So, it's a beautiful
picture that we're seeing here
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and we've run out of time
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and so we've got
to close this session,
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but we're going to continue,
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we're going to
continue the journey...
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and we'll be
learning a lot more,
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by God's grace,
let's just pray together,
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Ivor, would you close for us?
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Okay, "Heavenly
Father, we ask that you would
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please continue to open
our eyes as we study your Word,
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show us wonderful things
out of your Law is our prayer,
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we ask it in the
precious name of Jesus, amen. "
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All: Amen...
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