I got off the treadmill of life. At the pace I was going, 00:00:06.05\00:00:11.23 I couldn't hear God speaking to my heart. 00:00:11.26\00:00:14.93 Now I have a simpler life. 00:00:14.96\00:00:20.40 God is real to me, my wife has become my queen, 00:00:20.44\00:00:28.30 my family's united. 00:00:28.33\00:00:31.90 I found the power and I've made it mine, 00:00:37.23\00:00:43.40 strength for daily living coming from the vine, 00:00:43.44\00:00:49.58 Jesus is my friend, I talk with Him each day, 00:00:49.61\00:00:55.79 speaking to my heart, He guides me in the way. 00:00:55.82\00:01:01.87 Trusting in His presence ever by my side; 00:01:01.90\00:01:07.93 following in faith I let my Saviour guide. 00:01:07.97\00:01:13.97 Jesus is the power ever in my soul, 00:01:14.00\00:01:19.85 He's the love that makes the family whole. 00:01:19.89\00:01:25.89 Families thus united set the church aflame, 00:01:25.93\00:01:31.96 lighting up the world with power, and Jesus' name. 00:01:32.00\00:01:41.04 Sally and I met in high school chemistry class, 00:01:43.68\00:01:46.30 her last name was Hughes, mine was Hohnberger. 00:01:46.33\00:01:48.87 - I sat right behind him. - I took notice of her when 00:01:48.90\00:01:51.87 she walked by me coming into class, and soon we started 00:01:51.90\00:01:55.49 dating in high school and we carried on a courtship into 00:01:55.52\00:01:59.17 college, we loved just being together, didn't matter what 00:01:59.20\00:02:02.85 it was, we could be at her house doing the dishes, shoveling 00:02:02.89\00:02:06.53 the snow, we could be out playing tennis, just so long 00:02:06.56\00:02:10.60 - as we're together. - Together, never to part again. 00:02:10.64\00:02:14.65 She went to a different college than I did, and we'd write 00:02:14.68\00:02:17.45 letters. If you'd seen my college note 00:02:17.48\00:02:20.34 books, you'd see Sally scribbled all over them, with hearts 00:02:20.37\00:02:23.10 all over. We were in love, I mean 00:02:23.13\00:02:25.93 really in love, I know other people have been in love too, 00:02:25.96\00:02:28.81 but I think our love was a very special kind of love. 00:02:28.84\00:02:31.43 We were really meant for each other. 00:02:31.46\00:02:34.18 We'd talk about the day that we'd finally be married, 00:02:34.21\00:02:36.96 we'd never be parted again. That day came, March 25th, 1972. 00:02:36.99\00:02:42.22 I hadn't graduated from college yet, I still had 2 months left, 00:02:42.25\00:02:47.51 and when I did graduate from college we bought a brand 00:02:47.54\00:02:50.46 new home, we didn't have enough money to furnish it 00:02:50.49\00:02:53.38 or anything, we had this big brand new home in Appleton, 00:02:53.41\00:02:57.67 Wisconsin, and it was filled with love and we didn't even 00:02:57.71\00:03:01.99 have a refrigerator, or a stove; we cooked everything 00:03:02.02\00:03:06.28 on a Weber grill and ate out of a Coleman cooler, 00:03:06.31\00:03:10.54 but we didn't care, we were in love. 00:03:10.57\00:03:14.03 We had each other. 00:03:14.06\00:03:16.07 That's all we really wanted, but then my business called 00:03:16.11\00:03:20.63 me to 30 days of training in Tarrytown, New York. 00:03:20.66\00:03:24.44 I'd never been away from my girlfriend here, who became 00:03:24.47\00:03:28.06 my wife, for that long in 5 or 6 years. 00:03:28.09\00:03:31.43 We at least saw each other on weekends. 00:03:31.47\00:03:34.78 Yes, that was in college, then I came back and my wife, 00:03:34.81\00:03:38.35 in the mean time, she's an RN, she got a position at 00:03:38.38\00:03:41.89 the hospital working 11-7, evenings. 00:03:41.92\00:03:46.56 I came home to an empty house, I don't mean a house without 00:03:46.60\00:03:49.69 furniture, my queen wasn't there. 00:03:49.72\00:03:52.76 I wasn't happy, but I thought "that's life", so I threw 00:03:52.79\00:03:56.74 myself into my business and started making good money, 00:03:56.77\00:04:00.56 and I threw myself into my sports and started enjoying 00:04:00.60\00:04:04.30 that, I started spending time with my buddies, and pretty 00:04:04.33\00:04:08.00 soon something started happening, I call it 00:04:08.03\00:04:11.72 "the eroding process", it seems to happen in most marriages 00:04:11.75\00:04:15.44 today. Before you knew it, we bought 00:04:15.47\00:04:19.24 a second home, well, actually build the home, not ourselves, 00:04:19.28\00:04:22.33 but had it built, brand new home, and filled it with 00:04:22.36\00:04:26.61 the nicest furniture, finest draperies, I got a new car, 00:04:26.65\00:04:30.83 we got a second used car for her, and we were on our way 00:04:30.86\00:04:34.98 - to the American...what? - Dream, or myth, whichever way 00:04:35.02\00:04:39.11 - you look at it. - We thought it was a dream 00:04:39.14\00:04:41.77 then, but we found out down the road that it's a myth. 00:04:41.80\00:04:45.66 That wasn't enough for us, we obtained success, I worked 00:04:45.69\00:04:49.58 hard, I was taught by my parents to work very hard. 00:04:49.61\00:04:53.21 Soon we purchased a 3000 square foot, all cedar log home 00:04:53.24\00:04:57.39 in the country, and 40 park like acres, 00:04:57.42\00:05:00.97 had upgrades in our vehicles, we were making good money, 00:05:01.00\00:05:04.98 and seeing each other less and less. 00:05:05.01\00:05:07.19 We became very active in our church, very active in outreach, 00:05:07.22\00:05:11.67 very active in difference committees, difference boards, 00:05:11.70\00:05:15.55 we saw each other less and less, didn't we? 00:05:15.58\00:05:17.89 And the stress began to mount, and mount as we gave 00:05:17.92\00:05:22.66 ourselves to everybody, and everything, but who? 00:05:22.70\00:05:27.43 Each other. I don't know if you've ever 00:05:27.46\00:05:30.10 seen a coil spring, but if you coil a spring up, a coil spring, 00:05:30.13\00:05:34.08 until it gets as tight as it can be, all you've got to do is 00:05:34.11\00:05:38.03 just touch it, and it just explodes, and that was me. 00:05:38.06\00:05:42.95 Well, that day came, we were in our early 30's, I went 00:05:44.04\00:05:47.84 to my office and treated all my office personnel, and all 00:05:47.88\00:05:51.65 my clients with the utmost of Christian courtesy, but I 00:05:51.69\00:05:55.43 pushed myself too hard, as I normally did. 00:05:55.46\00:05:58.37 When I came home that night I just wanted to have a meal, 00:05:58.40\00:06:01.92 and be quiet. I walked in the back door 00:06:01.95\00:06:04.50 and my lovely wife had the table all set, our 2 boys, 00:06:04.53\00:06:08.89 Matthew and Andrew, they were probably 3 and aged 1 at 00:06:08.92\00:06:12.49 the time, they were already sitting at the table, waiting 00:06:12.52\00:06:16.02 for father to come home. She had a lovely meal prepared 00:06:16.06\00:06:19.55 for me, already set. I walked in the back door 00:06:19.58\00:06:22.08 and said "Hi", sat down, I was the head elder in my church, 00:06:22.11\00:06:25.42 I had prayer, and then my wife brought one of my favorite 00:06:25.45\00:06:27.97 meals over: hash brown potatoes, the only problem is 00:06:28.00\00:06:32.53 they weren't brown, they were sloppy white. 00:06:32.56\00:06:37.89 You remember, don't you? This is our biggest fight, 00:06:38.91\00:06:41.94 by the way, this is the biggest fight we ever had in our life, 00:06:41.97\00:06:44.65 she put those sloppy potatoes in front of me, I was that 00:06:44.68\00:06:48.55 coil spring just waiting for something to set me off, 00:06:48.58\00:06:52.42 and that set me off, I blew, and I blew, and when it was all over 00:06:52.45\00:06:58.49 I threw my wife out of the house, locked the door, 00:06:58.52\00:07:03.30 I had 2 crying boys, I put them up in their bedrooms, told them 00:07:03.34\00:07:06.69 to be quiet, and I started pacing the house for an hour 00:07:06.72\00:07:10.81 and a half. God was trying to speak 00:07:10.84\00:07:13.51 to my conscience saying "Jim, what are you doing?" 00:07:13.54\00:07:17.12 "Where are you going?" My wife had returned 00:07:17.15\00:07:19.44 to the back door probably 2-4 times... 00:07:19.47\00:07:23.47 ...just to try the door and if it was locked, 00:07:23.51\00:07:25.96 I didn't venture forth, but one time it was unlocked. 00:07:25.99\00:07:30.25 After an hour and a half. 00:07:30.28\00:07:33.03 I can still remember her face when she walked in, 00:07:33.07\00:07:36.16 and I looked at her and I said "Honey, what are we doing?" 00:07:36.19\00:07:41.15 "Where are we going? What's happening to us?" 00:07:41.18\00:07:45.37 And the Lord spoke to my mind right then and I walked over 00:07:45.41\00:07:48.52 to the telephone and I picked it up, I called my office 00:07:48.55\00:07:51.63 manager and I said, "I'm not coming in for 10 days, we're" 00:07:51.66\00:07:56.04 "taking some time out", and I said "Honey, pack our travel" 00:07:56.07\00:08:00.45 "trailer", we had a travel trailer; we were living in 00:08:00.48\00:08:02.99 Wisconsin and we headed up to the upper peninsula of Michigan 00:08:03.02\00:08:05.64 to a favorite little lake of ours, Imp Lake, 00:08:05.67\00:08:08.06 - do you remember it? - Aha. 00:08:08.09\00:08:10.39 It's a cute little lake with a little island on it, eagles 00:08:10.42\00:08:13.60 that fly over, some loons, and we brought the travel trailer 00:08:13.63\00:08:16.83 up there, we parked it there, and we went down by the little 00:08:16.86\00:08:20.03 water side, and we sat there and we said: "What's going on?" 00:08:20.07\00:08:23.21 I mean, we were the two that were in love, and now we were 00:08:23.24\00:08:26.34 - no longer in love, were we? - Yeah, how could this ever 00:08:26.38\00:08:29.45 - happen to us? - I mean, yeah, we said 00:08:29.48\00:08:32.77 "I love you", but we weren't in love anymore, do you know 00:08:32.80\00:08:36.85 what I'm saying, do you understand the difference? 00:08:36.88\00:08:40.06 You're probably in it yourself, and we sat there, and we 00:08:40.09\00:08:45.46 redefined success. We'd bought into the American 00:08:45.49\00:08:50.15 myth that success was a bigger home, greater furniture, more 00:08:50.19\00:08:55.06 vehicles, I was poised to buy my next car, you know what it 00:08:55.09\00:08:59.91 - was don't you? - A Corvette. 00:08:59.94\00:09:02.38 - A Corvette. - Investment. 00:09:02.42\00:09:04.83 My investment, I had justified it, didn't I? 00:09:04.86\00:09:07.41 - Going to be what color, too? - Red. 00:09:07.44\00:09:10.03 Red, and we were going to get our cottage up in the north. 00:09:10.06\00:09:12.64 We sat there and we said "None of this had made us" 00:09:12.67\00:09:17.04 "happy", we thought it would, we had everything but... 00:09:17.08\00:09:21.42 - ...we lost each other. - We lost each other by going 00:09:21.45\00:09:24.10 - after everything else. - I wanted to go back to that 00:09:24.13\00:09:27.02 home where we only had the Weber grill and a Coleman 00:09:27.05\00:09:29.91 - cooler. - We were happier then. 00:09:29.94\00:09:32.45 - Yeah. - We were happier in college 00:09:32.49\00:09:34.97 when I handed her scissors one day and said "I don't have," 00:09:35.00\00:09:37.86 "the dollar to buy a haircut, cut it." 00:09:37.89\00:09:40.56 So we really sat there, we analyzed, we looked at 00:09:40.59\00:09:44.99 the world, and we looked at men that were in my profession 00:09:45.02\00:09:48.80 to the time that they retired and then had 2-3 divorces. 00:09:48.83\00:09:52.58 They had the money, they had the material items, but they 00:09:52.61\00:09:56.36 - were empty people. - And family problems, 00:09:56.39\00:09:59.05 lots of family problems. 00:09:59.08\00:10:00.99 We weren't doing this with a critical eye, don't get us 00:10:01.02\00:10:03.72 wrong, we were just trying to see where we were going 00:10:03.75\00:10:06.48 - to end up. - We were looking at our future. 00:10:06.51\00:10:09.20 We'd become Bible believing, fundamental Christians in 00:10:09.23\00:10:12.06 that time, so we talked about the people we saw in the church 00:10:12.09\00:10:15.81 and we didn't see much difference between them 00:10:15.84\00:10:18.41 and the world, to be honest with you. 00:10:18.44\00:10:20.59 Oh, they're on the right side of the equation of truth, 00:10:20.62\00:10:23.77 but their lives, their marriages, their children. 00:10:23.80\00:10:27.50 We didn't see people in the church that were in love, 00:10:27.54\00:10:31.21 so we said "What are we going to do?" 00:10:31.24\00:10:34.49 We redefined our priorities for our life, we decided then 00:10:34.52\00:10:40.67 that we would sell everything we had... 00:10:40.70\00:10:43.74 ...Everything we could sell... 00:10:43.77\00:10:45.55 ...Sell the business, sell the beautiful, 3000 square foot, 00:10:45.58\00:10:49.54 all log home on 40 park-like acres, sell our vehicles, 00:10:49.57\00:10:53.29 and we'd take our funds and we'd move up to where we're 00:10:53.33\00:10:57.03 presently at, in the wilderness in Montana, not to hide, 00:10:57.07\00:11:00.74 not to run from anything, but to find something, 00:11:00.77\00:11:04.67 because the world couldn't give it to us, and our church 00:11:04.70\00:11:08.07 wasn't able to give it to us, so we came here 20 years ago 00:11:08.10\00:11:11.50 to find something; we define it as "the big 3", 00:11:11.53\00:11:17.31 and that's simple, we wanted to find a real walk with 00:11:18.31\00:11:22.74 Jesus Christ, not a knowledge of God, we wanted to be able 00:11:22.77\00:11:26.14 to talk with Him, we wanted to sense His presence with us 00:11:26.17\00:11:29.54 during the day, we wanted to hear Him whispering to 00:11:29.57\00:11:32.29 the voice of our conscience, we wanted to follow Him, 00:11:32.32\00:11:35.01 I wanted to have an experience in my marriage where I didn't 00:11:35.04\00:11:37.70 have to get irritated with my wife anymore, or frustrated. 00:11:37.73\00:11:40.95 I wanted that kind of gospel, I wanted a practical gospel, 00:11:40.98\00:11:44.23 so we wanted to find a walk with God, a real walk. 00:11:44.26\00:11:47.72 Then I wanted to make my wife the priority of my life, 00:11:47.75\00:11:51.18 not my business, not my sports, not my buddies, this is my best 00:11:51.21\00:11:55.71 friend, I wanted to make her a priority. 00:11:55.74\00:12:00.12 Then we wanted to raise our 2 boys, God gave us 2 lovely 00:12:00.16\00:12:04.26 young boys, and when we moved here they were age 4 and 6, 00:12:04.29\00:12:08.40 and we wanted to raise them into what we call "real men". 00:12:08.43\00:12:12.54 Men that new their God, lived by principle, and can walk 00:12:12.57\00:12:16.68 in the world and make a difference. 00:12:16.71\00:12:19.64 So we moved 20 years ago with that in mind, since then 00:12:19.67\00:12:25.16 we've written many books about what we've found here, 00:12:27.19\00:12:30.14 in the setting that we're in, in the wilderness here. 00:12:30.17\00:12:33.09 50 miles from the nearest power up a gravel road. 00:12:33.12\00:12:36.94 The grizzly bears actually walk in our front yard, we have 00:12:36.97\00:12:41.23 a pet bear, we have dear that we can pet, and we found 00:12:41.26\00:12:45.46 a walk with God, our marriage is revitalized, we're in love 00:12:45.49\00:12:50.12 again, I don't love my wife anymore, I'm in love with her, 00:12:50.15\00:12:54.16 big difference, and we've been married 32 years now, going 00:12:54.19\00:12:58.98 on 33, we're 55 years old. We were able to raise 2 boys 00:12:59.01\00:13:03.80 that are making a difference in the world. 00:13:03.83\00:13:06.60 So we started being asked to go out and share our testimonies 00:13:06.63\00:13:10.04 with people, and 10 years ago that turned into a full-time 00:13:10.07\00:13:13.48 ministry, it's called Empowered Living Ministries. 00:13:13.51\00:13:17.72 We've written books, I've written 4 books, my wife 00:13:17.75\00:13:20.28 has written 1, and we're both writing another one, we'll 00:13:20.31\00:13:22.98 continue to write them because we want others to be able 00:13:23.01\00:13:25.71 to learn in a short period of time what has take us 00:13:25.74\00:13:28.49 a long period of time, if we can save you time in that process 00:13:28.52\00:13:33.25 by sharing out testimony with you, not that you would follow 00:13:33.28\00:13:36.81 us, but by introducing you how we found God so that you may 00:13:36.84\00:13:40.34 find God, that you may revitalize your marriage, 00:13:40.37\00:13:43.99 that you may reconnect your family, then that's what we've 00:13:44.02\00:13:46.70 given our life to. In that process many people 00:13:46.73\00:13:50.85 have written us letters and called us on the phone, saying: 00:13:50.88\00:13:54.22 "Can we come and visit you, we want to come and see your" 00:13:54.25\00:13:57.59 "resting place", we call this our resting place. 00:13:57.62\00:14:01.61 We can't bring everybody here, we get so many calls, 00:14:01.64\00:14:05.55 so we want to take you through our resting place, 00:14:05.58\00:14:09.46 we want to show you the setting in which we live, we want 00:14:09.49\00:14:12.62 to take you through our home so that you can catch a vision 00:14:12.65\00:14:15.48 for what God is saying to you. So would you like to come 00:14:15.51\00:14:18.18 into our home and we want to show you around and share 00:14:18.21\00:14:20.87 some things with you, come on into our home with us would you? 00:14:20.90\00:14:26.62 Come on in, see for yourself. 00:14:33.10\00:14:36.72 As you can see, the center of our home is the dining room 00:14:40.29\00:14:44.22 area, at this table many things happen in our home life 00:14:44.25\00:14:48.16 because it has to be multifaceted, and a few steps 00:14:48.19\00:14:51.86 away from my dining room is my work center, my office, 00:14:51.90\00:14:55.54 for the ministry. And the office is this silly 00:14:55.57\00:14:59.37 little phone that you hear us talk to you on the phone about, 00:14:59.40\00:15:02.57 with the crackling and the calling back, and the static, 00:15:02.60\00:15:06.22 this is the best we have, and at least we have that. 00:15:06.25\00:15:09.84 And then in this corner is this computer, an essential element 00:15:09.87\00:15:13.61 in running an office for efficiency, all of our sermons, 00:15:13.64\00:15:17.02 and books come off that computer. 00:15:17.05\00:15:20.08 And a couple steps away from my office is my living room. 00:15:20.11\00:15:24.48 It may appear small, but it is mighty, there's many things that 00:15:24.51\00:15:28.32 it can do. In the corner is our stove 00:15:28.35\00:15:30.70 that heats the house, and in this space we have our family 00:15:30.73\00:15:35.38 counsels, and we have camaraderie and fellowship 00:15:35.41\00:15:40.20 with like believers, and we talk about Jesus, and we can fit 00:15:40.24\00:15:43.75 20 people in this room and be very cozy and comfortable. 00:15:43.78\00:15:47.08 This may seem like a small space for all the activity 00:15:47.12\00:15:50.37 that was just mentioned a few steps away for each other, 00:15:50.41\00:15:53.63 but you know, small isn't that important, it functions, and it 00:15:53.66\00:15:58.23 saves us the time and energy to put more time with God, 00:15:58.26\00:16:02.68 more time with our spouses, and work through 00:16:02.71\00:16:05.21 the difficulties, and find good problem solving techniques 00:16:05.24\00:16:08.81 When we do that as husbands and wives with our Lord 00:16:08.84\00:16:11.23 and Saviour to change ourselves inside, and our thoughts, 00:16:11.26\00:16:15.02 and feelings, it shows with the children, and the children 00:16:15.05\00:16:18.77 are bonded closer to you because you're bonded to God, 00:16:18.80\00:16:22.49 so the size doesn't really matter. 00:16:22.52\00:16:25.69 Then, a couple steps away is the stairway going upstairs, 00:16:26.26\00:16:30.42 that goes up to our 2 bedrooms that we made upstairs for us. 00:16:30.45\00:16:34.62 This is a bookshelf that Jim made, a very integral part 00:16:34.65\00:16:38.12 to our home, I'm very thankful for it. 00:16:38.15\00:16:41.74 In here is our kitchen, and the kitchen, a very important 00:16:42.77\00:16:45.86 part of the home for the woman, this is where we spend a lot 00:16:45.89\00:16:48.99 of our time, don't we ladies? And often the kitchen is 00:16:49.02\00:16:52.93 a laundry room area where my washer and drier is, and off 00:16:52.96\00:16:56.84 in this room is my pantry, closest to the door and 00:16:56.87\00:17:00.19 to the left, and to the right is my bathroom right behind 00:17:00.22\00:17:03.23 the kitchen area. So this is the kitchen area, 00:17:03.26\00:17:07.56 and the stove, a wood cooked stove, not your usual stove 00:17:07.60\00:17:11.13 that you see in your typical, modern day homes today, 00:17:11.16\00:17:14.61 but a cook stove that's run with wood, a multifaceted tool 00:17:14.64\00:17:18.69 in my home, and became a real special friend to me, nothing 00:17:18.72\00:17:23.62 like homemade bread coming out of this wood cook stove. 00:17:23.66\00:17:28.55 One of the joys for our family has been meal time. 00:17:32.85\00:17:36.69 Not just because of the lovely food that my wife prepares 00:17:36.72\00:17:40.30 for us, but because that's the time we have fellowship 00:17:40.33\00:17:43.55 at the beginning of the day and the end of the day. 00:17:43.58\00:17:46.74 We would sit and talk about the joys, and the trials, and our 00:17:46.77\00:17:50.48 plans for the next day, what we went through the day 00:17:50.51\00:17:53.40 and our hearts would bond together as we would share 00:17:53.43\00:17:56.26 just the simple little things that happened through 00:17:56.29\00:17:59.09 the day, and the boys learned how to communicate with us, 00:17:59.12\00:18:01.70 we learned how to communicate with them, and for all the years 00:18:01.73\00:18:04.62 that they lived here, meal time was a very special time 00:18:04.65\00:18:08.70 for our family, and not just the mealtime, but this is where 00:18:08.73\00:18:13.35 I learned to become priest of the family. 00:18:13.38\00:18:15.89 I didn't know how to be the priest of the family, and when 00:18:15.92\00:18:18.35 I came out here, it was very difficult for me to make 00:18:18.38\00:18:20.62 that transition, in leading my family not just in the truth, 00:18:20.65\00:18:24.63 but leading them to God and teaching them that God is real 00:18:24.66\00:18:28.64 to you, you can hear God through the day, He'll guide 00:18:28.67\00:18:31.83 you, and you can walk with Him throughout the day. 00:18:31.87\00:18:35.00 So in our worship times, we simply started by taking out 00:18:35.03\00:18:39.07 a hymnal and we would lead the children in a hymn to begin 00:18:39.10\00:18:43.11 with to lift our hearts in joy before God, and lo, 00:18:43.14\00:18:46.06 God could come into the presence of our home. 00:18:46.09\00:18:48.73 Then we would kneel and have prayer, wouldn't we? 00:18:48.77\00:18:51.38 - Yeah. - We'd pull out either the Bible 00:18:51.41\00:18:53.82 or a book on the life of Christ, and we would read it 00:18:53.85\00:18:56.53 together, we would read a paragraph, and if I was 00:18:56.56\00:18:59.17 reading that paragraph, I would share what that paragraph meant 00:18:59.20\00:19:02.60 to me, and then my children, or my wife could share 00:19:02.63\00:19:06.74 after I shared, and then the next person would share, 00:19:06.77\00:19:10.86 and in the process we came to practicalize what we read. 00:19:10.89\00:19:14.95 Oh, absolutely, and it was an excellent tool for, 00:19:14.98\00:19:19.49 as the mother, trying to teach the academics in the home, 00:19:19.53\00:19:23.00 to teach summarization, and I found that then when boys 00:19:23.03\00:19:26.41 would summarize what they read, that that word, those principles 00:19:26.44\00:19:30.74 and concepts that we wanted them to take into their own life, 00:19:30.77\00:19:35.32 became a part of their own life, I'd predominantly because Jim 00:19:35.35\00:19:40.02 became so good under God, to teach the practical application 00:19:40.05\00:19:44.69 of the words that we were reading, and concepts, 00:19:44.72\00:19:47.15 and principles that were laid out for us by God, and he was 00:19:47.18\00:19:50.72 so good at that, and made it much more joyful for the boys 00:19:50.75\00:19:54.55 to see "what does this text mean to me, and how can I" 00:19:54.58\00:19:58.35 "apply it today?" 00:19:58.38\00:20:01.66 Then as the day would go on, we live 50 miles from town, 00:20:01.70\00:20:06.02 and to even consider sending our children to school was just 00:20:06.05\00:20:10.32 out of the question, specially in the wilderness, 00:20:10.35\00:20:13.15 we home schooled our children for 12 years, and this table, 00:20:13.18\00:20:16.03 this room here, this dining room became the activity 00:20:16.06\00:20:19.24 center for home schooling. This is where my wife would 00:20:19.27\00:20:22.42 conduct 12 grades of school for her boys. 00:20:22.45\00:20:27.10 It was quite a challenge for me ladies, I didn't feel adapt 00:20:27.14\00:20:30.95 at it, and I found that probably one of my greatest tools 00:20:30.98\00:20:34.77 was my lack of security, or feeling inadequate, 00:20:34.80\00:20:39.94 and unable to deal with the children, God showed me that 00:20:39.98\00:20:43.47 when you're weak, truly you are strong, and He gave me 00:20:43.50\00:20:47.09 the wisdom and ideas how to reach out for the character 00:20:47.13\00:20:50.74 development of my boys through the trials that would come 00:20:50.78\00:20:54.36 in school, and when they can't grasp a concept in their 00:20:54.39\00:20:58.09 mathematics I'd take them to Jesus, and they learned 00:20:58.12\00:21:01.72 to solve their mathematical problems with Jesus, 00:21:01.75\00:21:05.34 because often it was a heart problem, and God could help 00:21:05.37\00:21:08.54 them with their wrong thoughts and feelings. 00:21:08.57\00:21:10.59 So this table became a very important character building 00:21:10.62\00:21:14.44 tool in God's hands through home schooling. 00:21:14.47\00:21:18.80 I've you've noticed the window just behind my wife, we began 00:21:18.84\00:21:21.76 to call that "Channel 1". You'll notice the bird feeders 00:21:21.80\00:21:24.68 there too, we'd have humming birds come in, and all types 00:21:24.71\00:21:27.56 of song birds, and just beautifully colored birds, 00:21:27.59\00:21:30.99 as well as the squirrels. In the winter when the snow 00:21:31.02\00:21:34.34 would get higher, we'd place crack corn up the window, 00:21:34.38\00:21:37.63 and the deer would come up, and along with our meals 00:21:37.67\00:21:40.89 we'd have 4-5 deer heads with their noses right against 00:21:40.92\00:21:44.37 - the window. - How thrilling. 00:21:44.40\00:21:47.20 Oh, it was more than thrilling, we didn't bring a TV set 00:21:47.24\00:21:51.57 with us, and nature became their entertainment center 00:21:51.60\00:21:55.39 for them, so that, to us, was Channel 1, and all of us 00:21:55.42\00:21:58.95 thrilled at it, we had pets, that we could feed the birds 00:21:58.98\00:22:02.21 by our hands, the squirrels out of our hands, it became 00:22:02.24\00:22:05.44 a very special event for our whole family. 00:22:05.47\00:22:08.42 Then because of what happened at this table, because of our 00:22:08.45\00:22:11.76 hearts bonding together and finding a walk with God, 00:22:11.79\00:22:14.96 and their father leading them in a real Christian experience, 00:22:14.99\00:22:18.91 people began to ask us to share our lifestyle and what we found 00:22:18.95\00:22:22.82 up here, with others, and that's the reason for the ministry 00:22:22.86\00:22:26.70 office that's right in our dining room with us. 00:22:26.73\00:22:29.91 It's not that we designed it that way, but it was an outflow 00:22:29.94\00:22:33.65 of what's happened at this table, from our worships, 00:22:33.68\00:22:37.42 our home schooling, our bonding together over the meals. 00:22:37.46\00:22:41.16 As our hearts grew one together there was a natural outreach 00:22:41.20\00:22:44.87 to say to the world "we want to share with you what has" 00:22:44.90\00:22:48.48 "happened in our hearts and life", and we pray that if 00:22:48.51\00:22:52.20 you've heard anything from us, you'll know that what we're 00:22:52.24\00:22:55.98 saying is we must come together as families, we must make 00:22:56.01\00:22:59.76 each other priorities, make God THE priority, and allow those 00:22:59.79\00:23:03.51 priorities to go into our spousal relationships, and with 00:23:03.54\00:23:07.23 our children as well, we pray that God will touch your heart 00:23:07.26\00:23:11.26 with out little story. 00:23:11.29\00:23:14.28 Well now ladies, you might be more interested in the kitchen 00:23:18.45\00:23:21.20 than just our little tour that we had before, so I'm going 00:23:21.23\00:23:23.96 to cover a couple of special things. 00:23:23.99\00:23:26.45 First of all, we have a propane refrigerator, we do 00:23:26.48\00:23:29.48 have the luxuries that you have in the city setting, even in 00:23:29.51\00:23:32.78 the wilderness, because of propane. 00:23:32.81\00:23:35.50 This is my freezer section, it doesn't look like much 00:23:35.53\00:23:38.24 to you perhaps, with the large freezers most people are 00:23:38.27\00:23:40.98 accustomed to, but this is very large compared to 00:23:41.01\00:23:44.15 the [?] I had when we first moved here, which was 00:23:44.18\00:23:47.29 about big enough for 2 ice cube trays, and maybe a couple 00:23:47.32\00:23:51.09 inches left for something else, so I was very thankful 00:23:51.12\00:23:54.86 for this upgrade in refrigeration. 00:23:54.89\00:23:57.42 And a propane refrigerator offers smaller space within its 00:23:57.45\00:24:01.63 confines in side then what the dimensions outwardly look, 00:24:01.66\00:24:05.58 but the joy for a woman to have a place to put her food, 00:24:05.61\00:24:09.49 and for it to be kept refrigerated properly is a great 00:24:09.52\00:24:13.37 joy, I was very thankful to you to upgrade our 00:24:13.40\00:24:15.94 - refrigerator, dear. - Well, we're just happy to have 00:24:15.97\00:24:18.98 that facility because a lot of people in the wilderness, 00:24:19.01\00:24:22.02 what they would do with their food is just put 00:24:22.05\00:24:24.72 their food in the [?], so this to us is a luxury 00:24:24.76\00:24:27.40 - regardless of its size. - Yes, for sure. 00:24:27.43\00:24:29.83 And then cupboards, ladies, you look at these cupboards, 00:24:29.86\00:24:32.99 there's not many cupboards to be had here, and I just want 00:24:33.02\00:24:36.18 you to know that I moved from a 3000 square foot home 00:24:36.21\00:24:39.85 to a 1000 square foot home, that spells discipline 00:24:39.89\00:24:43.50 and simplification. I had to simplify, I used 00:24:43.53\00:24:46.81 to have 4 sets of dishes in my former home, with a country 00:24:46.84\00:24:50.14 kitchen, and through God's grace working on my heart 00:24:50.17\00:24:53.85 and attitudes, I came down to 1 set of dishes with some 00:24:53.89\00:24:57.55 other bowls and accessory dishes for serving, and I fit 00:24:57.58\00:25:01.21 all in this little-biddy cupboard space, I really 00:25:01.24\00:25:03.81 didn't need all that other stuff that I had, but I thought I did, 00:25:03.84\00:25:07.55 until God worked with my attitudes with time with Him, 00:25:07.58\00:25:11.07 which is what we were gaining up here in the mountains. 00:25:11.10\00:25:14.56 And one thing that I really loved up here in the mountains 00:25:14.60\00:25:18.03 was our water, you've just got to try our water. 00:25:18.06\00:25:21.33 It comes directly from a spring up in the mountains, 00:25:21.36\00:25:24.59 1600 feet, and piped down to our house through a gravity 00:25:24.62\00:25:27.82 feed system. I'd like to give you a glass 00:25:27.85\00:25:30.32 of water, and let you try it. It comes out of the creek 00:25:30.35\00:25:33.97 at a nice, cold temperature, especially during these hot 00:25:34.00\00:25:37.62 summer days, I'll let it get nice and cool for you. 00:25:37.65\00:25:42.40 I just want you to taste this sparkling clear water. 00:25:42.43\00:25:47.15 Ladies, the cook stove, my favorite item in the kitchen. 00:25:53.35\00:25:58.46 When we moved here from a city girl, to learn to cook on 00:25:58.51\00:26:01.82 a wood cook stove was quite an art, and I enjoyed 00:26:01.85\00:26:05.43 every step of it, just because of its uniqueness. 00:26:05.47\00:26:09.02 The first item I'd like to point out is the warming 00:26:09.05\00:26:11.46 ovens, I wish they'd re-enact these into the world today 00:26:11.49\00:26:14.74 because I think they're very helpful, these warming ovens 00:26:14.77\00:26:17.80 keep your food nice and warm, and if you want something 00:26:17.83\00:26:20.74 to warm up while the stove is cooking in the winter, 00:26:20.77\00:26:23.56 give it a half an hour, and you don't have to watch it 00:26:23.59\00:26:26.25 on the stove, and it's all nice and warm, sufficient 00:26:26.29\00:26:28.90 to serve at the meal times. You have a very large 00:26:28.94\00:26:31.52 cooking area on the top of the cook stove, and you can 00:26:31.55\00:26:35.00 just put a pot anywhere, a lot more than your 4 burner stove 00:26:35.03\00:26:38.80 typical today. And the oven, the oven is 00:26:38.83\00:26:42.25 a very large oven compared to the conventional ovens 00:26:42.28\00:26:45.70 of today. I could cook easily 8 loaves 00:26:45.73\00:26:48.87 of bread at a time in there, it's very deep and very wide. 00:26:48.90\00:26:52.26 The ladies of old, when they would get a manual with this 00:26:52.29\00:26:55.48 1890 wood cook stove by Majestic, they would teach 00:26:55.51\00:26:59.88 the ladies to put their elbows in the oven to know when 00:26:59.91\00:27:03.00 the temperature was correct to bake their bread. 00:27:03.03\00:27:05.69 Well, I tried that and did quite well for a number of years, 00:27:05.72\00:27:09.32 but when we were able, financially, I bought a 00:27:09.35\00:27:13.19 thermometer to put in my stove so that I knew what temperature 00:27:13.22\00:27:16.79 it was, and made it even easier than just the elbow test, 00:27:16.82\00:27:20.31 and the bread that you make in a wood cook stove oven is 00:27:20.35\00:27:23.79 unsurpassed by any other bread, would you say so dear? 00:27:23.82\00:27:27.21 - Oh yeah, I like it too much. - Everybody likes it 00:27:27.25\00:27:30.61 and it's a wonderful aroma in the home. 00:27:30.64\00:27:34.29 You may wonder why we chose to go to a wood cook stove 00:27:34.32\00:27:37.53 instead of a propane oven, because you know now we have 00:27:37.56\00:27:40.93 a propane refrigerator. Our philosophy in coming here 00:27:40.96\00:27:44.26 was to regain the time for the father, so he can invest that 00:27:44.29\00:27:47.94 time into his wife and into his children, and defining 00:27:47.97\00:27:51.40 a real, practical, daily walk with God. 00:27:51.43\00:27:53.98 So as much utilities, expenses as we can minimize, we would do, 00:27:54.01\00:27:58.59 and it's easy for our family to go out and cut wood together, 00:27:58.62\00:28:01.91 where it's much harder to send the father out in the workplace 00:28:01.94\00:28:05.43 and gain that money to pay the utility bills, so this wood 00:28:05.46\00:28:08.95 cook stove represents a regain in my time. 00:28:08.98\00:28:11.97 It doesn't just heat our food, it also heats the house. 00:28:12.00\00:28:17.11 Very seldom do we use our main wood stove, except when 00:28:18.26\00:28:21.67 it gets colder, usually this wood cook stove is going 00:28:21.70\00:28:24.92 throughout the day and heats almost our entire home 00:28:24.95\00:28:28.14 because it's a simple 960 square foot home. 00:28:28.17\00:28:31.90 What's unique about this stove though is that there's 00:28:31.93\00:28:34.98 a cabinet right next to it and this has a hot water 00:28:35.01\00:28:38.06 tank in it. I don't know if you can see 00:28:38.09\00:28:40.64 the plumbing pipes here, but in the firebox there's 00:28:40.67\00:28:44.78 a water heater, so when we light a fire in this stove, it heats 00:28:44.81\00:28:49.86 the water that's in the firebox, and that hot water automatically 00:28:49.89\00:28:54.94 circulates, it's called convection, so the hot water 00:28:54.97\00:28:58.49 automatically goes up and the cold water comes through, 00:28:58.53\00:29:02.01 and now we've got all the hot water we want for nothing, 00:29:02.05\00:29:05.48 it doesn't cost us a cent. I've got 2 boys that love 00:29:05.51\00:29:08.91 to stand in the shower for 15 minutes, and if I was paying 00:29:08.94\00:29:12.56 for that, I might tend to say to my boys "Boys, cut down" 00:29:12.59\00:29:15.90 "your showers", but it costs us nothing but some labor 00:29:15.93\00:29:19.24 as a family. So when we cook our food 00:29:19.27\00:29:23.00 we also heat our house, and we also heat our hot water, 00:29:23.04\00:29:26.49 it's very efficient for us, saves us a lot of money 00:29:26.52\00:29:29.94 on our utilities, and allows us to throw the priority of our 00:29:29.97\00:29:33.32 time into our family. 00:29:33.35\00:29:37.32 I thought you might enjoy seeing how we light this stove. 00:29:37.36\00:29:41.35 I usually start out with just a couple pieces of split wood, 00:29:41.38\00:29:45.32 and then on top of that I've got sawdust mixed in this little 00:29:45.36\00:29:49.27 contained with diesel fuel. It's got a little cap on it 00:29:49.30\00:29:52.70 so you can't smell it when it's in the house, and I put 00:29:52.73\00:29:56.10 a little bit of sawdust into the firebox, with the diesel fuel, 00:29:56.13\00:30:01.88 and then I just light that, and upon lighting it, 00:30:01.91\00:30:06.59 I then take some kindling wood, and I place it in on top 00:30:06.63\00:30:10.33 of the fire, and that begins the process of heating the stove, 00:30:10.36\00:30:15.20 it's a very simple, easy process, it doesn't take 00:30:15.23\00:30:19.02 much time, it's relatively clean, and it's kind of 00:30:19.05\00:30:22.81 quaint too, it's kind of nostalgic. 00:30:22.84\00:30:26.13 I get a little bit of kindling ago, and then I put a few larger 00:30:26.79\00:30:30.48 pieces on top of that, and we're ready. 00:30:30.51\00:30:34.96 Probably within 5 minutes we're ready to start heating 00:30:35.00\00:30:39.85 something, I can close that firebox, and we're ready 00:30:39.88\00:30:44.65 to go. If you'd like to see the water 00:30:44.68\00:30:47.20 jacket in here, I can take the top of, you can see 00:30:47.23\00:30:49.83 the flames coming here, and right in here is that water 00:30:49.86\00:30:52.86 jacket, that's where the water goes through to be heated 00:30:52.89\00:30:55.84 by the fire that's in the firebox; the only thing that you 00:30:55.88\00:30:58.82 have to do is you have to continually stoke it, 00:30:58.85\00:31:01.49 it's not automatic, we haven't figured that one out yet. 00:31:01.52\00:31:07.69 Right off the kitchen we have a laundry room, we have 00:31:11.68\00:31:14.62 a washer and a drier, a lot of people have thought 00:31:14.65\00:31:17.50 that my wife does her laundry in the creek the way the old 00:31:17.53\00:31:20.05 people used to do it, but that's not the case, 00:31:20.08\00:31:22.35 nothing's too good for my Sally, and right above the washer 00:31:22.38\00:31:25.49 and drier is a set of cabinets for her convenience. 00:31:25.52\00:31:28.07 You'll notice here, 2 years ago we put in a hot water heater. 00:31:28.10\00:31:33.53 When my boys both go married in the same year, we didn't have 00:31:33.56\00:31:36.20 quite the same work force for cutting the wood, we thought 00:31:36.23\00:31:39.18 it'd be nice to have that option because Sally and I are doing 00:31:39.21\00:31:42.13 a lot of traveling now, and speaking and writing books, 00:31:42.16\00:31:44.75 we don't have quite the same amount of time, so we can either 00:31:44.78\00:31:47.48 heat our hot water off the hot water propane tank, 00:31:47.51\00:31:50.14 or off our wood cook stove. Over to my right we have a water 00:31:50.17\00:31:54.52 storage facility, this is what they call a Well-X-Trol. 00:31:54.55\00:31:59.58 Even though we have gravity flow water, our spring is only 00:31:59.61\00:32:02.54 16 feet higher than the house, that gives us about 00:32:02.57\00:32:06.19 4.3 pounds of pressure, that isn't quite enough to have 00:32:06.22\00:32:10.75 a great shower, or to facilitate our washer, so this tank 00:32:10.78\00:32:15.31 has a bladder in it, and we have a 12 volt pump 00:32:15.34\00:32:18.53 that measures the pressure, and whenever the pressure 00:32:18.56\00:32:22.24 in this tank goes bellow 25 pounds, the pump kicks in, 00:32:22.28\00:32:25.95 pumps the tank up to 45 pound of pressure, and the whole 00:32:25.98\00:32:29.62 system is pressurized, so we have all the pluses that you do 00:32:29.65\00:32:33.26 in the city, without the cost. 00:32:33.29\00:32:36.01 Ladies, I'm excited about showing you my pantry, 00:32:42.88\00:32:46.10 it may be small, but it's mighty, come on in. 00:32:46.13\00:32:49.86 In here I wanted to organize in a neat, orderly, efficient 00:32:49.89\00:32:53.12 manner all my things for cooking. I cook on a natural 00:32:53.15\00:32:56.26 basis, and if can see, on the top shelf I have all my flours, 00:32:56.29\00:33:00.00 any flour that any woman would ever want for making something 00:33:00.03\00:33:04.15 wonderful is all right there handy for me; all my legumes, 00:33:04.18\00:33:08.30 and any of my grains, and different things, and my nuts, 00:33:08.33\00:33:12.42 all my cooking needs and items, and I like to have everything 00:33:12.45\00:33:15.26 real quick and easy for my efficiency in the kitchen. 00:33:15.29\00:33:21.33 I've enjoyed having this little room, it's also a little coat 00:33:21.37\00:33:24.17 room, you can see the coats hung up by very fancy hooks, 00:33:24.20\00:33:27.84 I might add, they're nails, I picked them out and put them 00:33:27.87\00:33:31.32 where I wanted them, so each one had a place for their coat, 00:33:31.36\00:33:34.69 and the boys learned neatness and order from very little, 00:33:34.72\00:33:38.02 because I put the nails low enough for them to handle 00:33:38.05\00:33:41.10 that they were responsible for hanging their coats, 00:33:41.13\00:33:44.12 and that's what we need to do with our children, especially 00:33:44.15\00:33:47.06 in a country living setting, or if God calls you 00:33:47.09\00:33:49.79 to a wilderness setting, we need to teach our children 00:33:49.82\00:33:53.13 the art of neatness, orderliness and thoroughness. 00:33:53.16\00:33:57.62 Ladies, this is my bathroom, and as you can see, 00:34:04.15\00:34:09.02 it's small, but well adequate. We have a molded tub 00:34:09.05\00:34:12.87 that we have, that works very well for us, a smaller 00:34:12.90\00:34:16.47 version than your typical, and many people wondered 00:34:16.51\00:34:20.07 if we had inside plumbing, and yes we do. 00:34:20.10\00:34:24.68 The boys have helped me build cupboards, inside the little 00:34:24.72\00:34:27.96 shelves bellow the sink, which are very handy, and don't come 00:34:27.99\00:34:31.21 in your normal, traditional stand for your sink, 00:34:31.24\00:34:36.23 so I'm very thankful for my boys. 00:34:36.26\00:34:41.22 With 4 of us in 1 bathroom we found that with our hearts 00:34:41.26\00:34:44.45 right with the Lord, that we worked together on that 00:34:44.48\00:34:47.40 and it didn't prove to be any problem with us at all, 00:34:47.43\00:34:50.28 often 2 would shower in the evening and 2 in the morning, 00:34:50.31\00:34:53.08 but actually we could just shower all, one after another, 00:34:53.12\00:34:55.86 at any time we really wanted to, so it was never a difficulty. 00:34:55.89\00:35:01.61 After we started receiving calls to go out, we had 00:35:05.80\00:35:08.67 a dilemma, our house was heated with wood, and it 00:35:08.71\00:35:11.59 doesn't automatically stoke itself, what are we going 00:35:11.62\00:35:14.52 to do when the house is shut down, with all our food 00:35:14.55\00:35:17.46 supplies, and things that can freeze in the winter? 00:35:17.50\00:35:20.40 So I had to build a root cellar, I'd like to take you 00:35:20.43\00:35:23.30 down into our root cellar, and not just to show 00:35:23.33\00:35:25.97 you the root cellar, but it also contains the area 00:35:26.01\00:35:28.75 that we placed our battery system for the house, 00:35:28.78\00:35:31.55 and our inverter. So let me take you down there, 00:35:31.59\00:35:34.33 and you get a little feel for it. 00:35:34.36\00:35:37.20 It's about 9 feet underneath our house, as you can see, we have 00:35:37.23\00:35:42.73 our food storage down in here, which is kind of like 00:35:42.76\00:35:46.08 an insurance policy as well, because if times get tough 00:35:46.11\00:35:49.35 and you can't buy your food, we don't have to run down 00:35:49.39\00:35:52.56 to the grocery store really quick, we can go on for 00:35:52.60\00:35:55.74 a number of months and still have a reasonable food supply. 00:35:55.77\00:36:00.03 But we actually built it for the purpose of when we leave, 00:36:00.06\00:36:04.32 that we wouldn't lose all this to the cold weather. 00:36:04.35\00:36:07.94 Now, in addition to that we've put in a battery system. 00:36:07.98\00:36:11.54 We don't turn on the generator every time we want power, 00:36:11.57\00:36:15.10 I have a 1600 amp, 12 volt battery system, the batteries 00:36:15.13\00:36:18.63 are right here, you can only see half of them, 2 of these 00:36:18.66\00:36:22.14 batteries equals one 12 volt system, and I've got 00:36:22.17\00:36:25.90 4 of these systems hooked together in a series, and that 00:36:25.93\00:36:31.44 gives me 1600 ampere, and to this DC power into AC power 00:36:31.47\00:36:35.81 we have what is called an inverter up here, and this 00:36:35.84\00:36:40.02 inverter then converts that into AC so whenever my wife 00:36:40.05\00:36:44.20 wants to run a vacuum cleaner, or she wants to use 00:36:44.23\00:36:46.90 her mixers, or she wants to use her hairdryer, or anything 00:36:46.93\00:36:51.35 of that nature, we don't have to turn on the generator, 00:36:51.38\00:36:54.93 the only time we turn on the generator is in the morning 00:36:54.96\00:36:58.44 we run a load of wash each day, and that keeps the whole 00:36:58.47\00:37:01.90 system charged up for the rest of the day, and that's our 00:37:01.93\00:37:05.33 power supply system, and it works very good for us. 00:37:05.36\00:37:08.90 Before we were involved in the ministry the cost of operating 00:37:08.93\00:37:13.23 that system, our total utilities for our house was running us 00:37:13.26\00:37:17.56 between $35-50 a month, the total utilities for what 00:37:17.59\00:37:22.12 you'd pay for water, power, heat, things of that nature. 00:37:22.15\00:37:26.65 With the ministry now, actually our biggest drain 00:37:26.68\00:37:29.60 on our battery system our phone system because we talk 00:37:29.63\00:37:33.23 for over 6000 minutes a month, and the phone system 00:37:33.26\00:37:37.39 we have takes 50 watts of power to talk on it, so that 00:37:37.42\00:37:41.96 drains our system, so our present cost has gone up 00:37:41.99\00:37:46.49 dramatically, probably up to $120 a month because 00:37:46.52\00:37:51.13 of the heavy phone usage that we have. 00:37:51.16\00:37:54.73 Come on up and see our 2 bedrooms upstairs. 00:38:06.22\00:38:10.24 In here we have our master bedroom. 00:38:19.88\00:38:22.37 When we first came here this was actually an open balcony, 00:38:22.40\00:38:25.47 we had to convert this into a master bedroom so we'd 00:38:25.50\00:38:28.04 have 2 bedrooms in the house. We put in the windows, 00:38:28.07\00:38:30.81 as you can see, right behind the bed, and over to the right 00:38:30.84\00:38:36.41 you'll see we have a little bookshelf that we placed 00:38:36.44\00:38:38.93 in here, and my wife has her photo albums, as well as some 00:38:38.96\00:38:42.46 of her favorite little books, and then over here 00:38:42.49\00:38:45.59 we have her Singer treadle sowing machine. 00:38:45.62\00:38:47.92 It's a treadle ladies, no electricity, just your feet 00:38:47.95\00:38:51.99 pedal it, and it sows absolutely marvelously, only straight, 00:38:52.02\00:38:55.89 but at least it's better than all sowing by hand, I love it. 00:38:55.92\00:39:00.22 It's quite a simple bedroom, and just back to my right 00:39:00.25\00:39:03.83 is my closet, it's a very simple little closet, it's only 4 feet 00:39:03.86\00:39:08.40 long, but it provides for all my needs, always has for 20 years, 00:39:08.43\00:39:13.24 and over here to my right is my wife's closet. 00:39:13.27\00:39:15.99 And Jim's implying with that that I have a larger closet, 00:39:16.02\00:39:20.32 well, technically I do, it's 1 foot wider, it's 5 foot 00:39:20.35\00:39:24.58 instead of his 4 foot, friends, but as you can see, it still 00:39:24.61\00:39:28.40 accommodates me quite well, all my needs are in here 00:39:28.43\00:39:31.46 and they all fit if I keep it all simplified. 00:39:31.49\00:39:35.29 I moved from [?], Wisconsin where I had a closet 00:39:35.32\00:39:38.95 that was at least double this size, where I held my clothes 00:39:38.98\00:39:42.86 formerly, but the art of simplification was good for me, 00:39:42.89\00:39:46.57 and the wilderness setting provided that opportunity 00:39:46.61\00:39:50.17 to come to find God, and become happy with my little 00:39:50.20\00:39:53.73 closet, I'm not missing anything. 00:39:53.76\00:39:57.57 In here we have our second bedroom, both of our boys 00:40:10.83\00:40:14.25 shared a room together, over here on my right 00:40:14.28\00:40:17.88 was Matthew's bed, and you can see some of our favorite 00:40:17.91\00:40:20.84 pictures on the wall, and there was always an identical 00:40:20.87\00:40:24.30 bed like that over here on my left, but 2 years ago my boys 00:40:24.34\00:40:27.83 got married, so we took that bed out, and my wife surprised 00:40:27.86\00:40:31.35 me with my own little office. So what was my boys' bedroom 00:40:31.38\00:40:34.84 before, now has turned into my office. 00:40:34.87\00:40:38.04 So she went out and got me a chair, a nice desk, because 00:40:38.07\00:40:40.95 before I wrote all my sermons from a little-biddy JCPenny desk 00:40:40.98\00:40:46.27 in the master bedroom. She wanted me to upgrade, 00:40:46.30\00:40:48.92 so she surprised me one day, this has become my office. 00:40:48.95\00:40:53.96 So in my office now, when I sit here, of course, I have 00:40:53.99\00:40:57.28 God's Word always at my desk to guide me with the principles 00:40:57.31\00:41:00.78 of life, but then I have 3 pictures that are very special 00:41:00.81\00:41:04.24 to me, my older son and his father when I married them, 00:41:04.27\00:41:07.65 and my younger son, and father when I married them, 00:41:07.68\00:41:11.03 along with my wife and I in the middle. 00:41:11.06\00:41:13.59 I've got all my loved ones, and I love this room. 00:41:13.62\00:41:16.80 Quite often I get calls when I'm writing, or I'm in my office 00:41:16.83\00:41:20.54 to do counseling that people want help to accomplish 00:41:20.57\00:41:23.73 in their marriages in their families. 00:41:23.76\00:41:26.18 So when people call me here, I always have a word of prayer 00:41:26.21\00:41:29.47 before I counsel with them because I don't have the wisdom 00:41:29.50\00:41:32.92 of myself to guide them, but as I'm talking on the phone after 00:41:32.95\00:41:36.46 they call, I'll usually lay back and I look over at this wall 00:41:36.50\00:41:39.95 on my left, and it has the treasures of my life up there. 00:41:39.99\00:41:43.38 There's my wife and I in a special picture, then there's 00:41:43.42\00:41:46.78 a family picture of my sons with their wives, and Sally and I, 00:41:46.81\00:41:51.32 and I have each one of their wedding pictures with their 00:41:51.35\00:41:54.05 brides together, and that touches my heart because 00:41:54.08\00:41:56.78 that's what we moved here for, it's about relationships. 00:41:56.81\00:42:00.33 This is a very special room to me, I come her for prayer, 00:42:00.36\00:42:03.91 contemplation, my own personal study. 00:42:03.94\00:42:08.09 A lot of you ladies are wondering, "I wonder what" 00:42:08.13\00:42:10.26 "Sally does with all those odds and ends that she has to tuck" 00:42:10.29\00:42:13.61 "away? She has such a small home." 00:42:13.64\00:42:16.26 Well this bedroom, on each side of the bedroom there's 00:42:16.29\00:42:19.10 an attic closet, I'm sure you ladies would just love to get 00:42:19.13\00:42:22.80 into one of my wives closets that nobody else sees, 00:42:22.83\00:42:26.89 I'm going to open up one of those doors for you, I'm going 00:42:26.92\00:42:30.79 to let you take a peek into one of my wives attic closets. 00:42:30.82\00:42:34.62 Ladies, you not only get to see my wives secret closet, but this 00:42:34.65\00:42:39.01 is where the boys played on rainy days too. 00:42:39.04\00:42:42.24 They not only played here, but the boys were the ones that 00:42:42.27\00:42:45.37 actually built these walls in here, these were their rooms, 00:42:45.40\00:42:48.58 and this was a home school project for them, that they had 00:42:48.61\00:42:51.82 to build the walls and the doors themselves. 00:42:51.85\00:42:55.87 Now that you've seen the inside of our home, we'd like to take 00:43:05.18\00:43:08.20 you to the outside and show you the surrounding grounds, 00:43:08.23\00:43:10.93 and some of the things that we have done together as a family. 00:43:10.96\00:43:14.90 First, over here to my right you'll see, we store 00:43:14.93\00:43:17.37 our kitchen wood here, this is just a wood carrier that 00:43:17.40\00:43:20.51 allows us to take the kitchen wood in the house very easily, 00:43:20.54\00:43:24.02 and next to it is a simple little box for our kindling wood 00:43:24.06\00:43:27.53 to start our fires with. Now I'd like to show you 00:43:27.56\00:43:32.15 the stairway, you may wonder "What is interesting about" 00:43:32.18\00:43:34.60 "the stairway?" My boys and I went out 00:43:34.63\00:43:37.80 into the woods and cut down a large tree, and using our 00:43:37.83\00:43:41.59 chain saw and our chain saw mill, we cut the tree in half, 00:43:41.62\00:43:45.24 you can see the 2 ends of the tree on each side, and then each 00:43:45.27\00:43:48.88 step is another limb of the tree that's cut off. 00:43:48.91\00:43:52.27 There's special memories there because our family 00:43:52.79\00:43:55.84 learned these things together, we worked together, 00:43:55.88\00:43:58.90 we played together, and we went down to the river then, 00:43:58.93\00:44:02.40 and the river rock that you see here, we took every one 00:44:02.43\00:44:06.33 of these rocks out of the river together, we found them, 00:44:06.36\00:44:10.26 we loaded them on a trailer, we brought them here, 00:44:10.29\00:44:13.25 and then as a family we learned how to do masonry 00:44:13.28\00:44:16.21 work, it's not done perfectly, nothing in my house is done 00:44:16.24\00:44:19.00 perfectly because it's the first time that we've done 00:44:19.03\00:44:22.68 everything, but we did it together, we learned together, 00:44:22.71\00:44:26.31 we experimented together, so there's fond, fond memories 00:44:26.34\00:44:29.91 that we have here in this home, not just with the stairs 00:44:29.94\00:44:33.22 and the rock work, but if you come around the house with 00:44:33.25\00:44:36.53 me, we'll show you some other things. 00:44:36.56\00:44:39.61 You'll notice the lawn first of all, is a very green lawn, 00:44:39.64\00:44:43.52 and my wife had said that you can't grow grass up here, 00:44:43.55\00:44:47.43 and I said that you can't grow grass up either. 00:44:47.46\00:44:51.37 My wife says "I'm going to grow some grass". 00:44:51.40\00:44:55.28 - I love grass. - She loves grass. 00:44:55.31\00:44:57.61 You may not think much of that, 00:44:58.13\00:45:00.26 but we're sitting on bedrock, we're sitting 00:45:00.29\00:45:03.71 on rock, and sand, and gravel, not black dirt, so my wife 00:45:03.74\00:45:07.49 decided we had to have green grass, so she, tenaciously, 00:45:07.52\00:45:11.27 made sure that this grass came up. 00:45:11.30\00:45:14.05 This side of the house, the first backside of the house 00:45:14.08\00:45:17.45 we did as a family, this side of the house was done totally 00:45:17.48\00:45:20.85 by Andrew. Andrew did 1 full side 00:45:20.88\00:45:24.21 by himself, and Matthew did another side by himself, 00:45:24.25\00:45:28.14 and I did another side by myself. 00:45:28.17\00:45:30.48 And then my wife loves flowers, as you can probably tell. 00:45:30.51\00:45:34.26 - I love flowers. - This is one of her little 00:45:34.29\00:45:36.82 flower beds to bring these little wonders from Eden 00:45:36.85\00:45:39.54 - into our life. - That's what I call them, 00:45:39.57\00:45:42.38 "wonders from Eden", and a little work doesn't bother me 00:45:42.41\00:45:45.79 at all, I love the beauty, it works into my heart and my 00:45:45.82\00:45:49.23 soul to remind me of the Creator who created 00:45:49.26\00:45:52.70 these beauty wonders to be reminded of Him by. 00:45:52.74\00:45:56.15 This little bush over here, this is what kind of tree Sally? 00:45:56.18\00:45:59.09 - This is a Lilac. - My wife wanted a Lilac tree 00:45:59.12\00:46:01.68 and I told her "Don't even try, it won't grow in our soil" 00:46:01.71\00:46:04.94 "don't even attempt it", but as you can tell, my wife's a little 00:46:04.97\00:46:08.25 smarter than I am, she's got a lot more determination 00:46:08.28\00:46:11.80 sometimes, and the Lilacs are not booming right now, 00:46:11.83\00:46:15.29 - but she loves... - They just finished blooming, 00:46:15.33\00:46:18.76 Andrew gifted me with these Lilac bushes, these and the ones 00:46:18.79\00:46:22.75 - by the outhouse. - So come on, we'll show you 00:46:22.78\00:46:25.33 the front of the house, okay? 00:46:25.36\00:46:27.90 The front of the house is what we look out on, they are our 00:46:27.93\00:46:31.25 large picture windows, we look out on Glacier National Park. 00:46:31.29\00:46:34.60 You'll notice that the rock work on the front of the house was 00:46:35.20\00:46:37.88 done by my son, Matthew, and we have the same type 00:46:37.91\00:46:41.28 of stairway going up to the house that was cut out 00:46:41.32\00:46:44.66 of a large log, and our boys did it, and the railings have 00:46:44.69\00:46:48.88 special significance to me because I can remember 00:46:48.91\00:46:52.48 the day that Matthew, and Andrew, and myself, and our 00:46:52.51\00:46:56.02 Father, our God, was working with us on this project. 00:46:56.06\00:46:59.52 We had a difficult time leveling them, but we sat down, 00:46:59.55\00:47:02.96 we had prayer together, we talked about it, and all 4 00:47:03.00\00:47:06.38 of us, my Father in heaven, the boy's father, 00:47:06.41\00:47:09.96 plus their Father, and us boys worked on this together, 00:47:09.99\00:47:13.88 and when I sit out here, even now as I sit up in the chair, 00:47:13.91\00:47:18.03 I look on the Rocky Mountains and I put my feet up here, 00:47:18.06\00:47:22.16 there's fond memories to me because we did this together 00:47:22.19\00:47:26.26 as a family. This represents what we 00:47:26.29\00:47:28.67 came here for, it's a physical memory that our family 00:47:28.70\00:47:32.02 worked together, and played together, and worshiped 00:47:32.06\00:47:35.37 together, and we still do those things together as well. 00:47:35.40\00:47:39.23 Over here to my left on the front porch you'll see 00:47:39.26\00:47:42.73 covered up is my treadmill. I like to run daily. 00:47:42.77\00:47:46.21 If the weather's real good I'll run on the wilderness roads, 00:47:46.24\00:47:49.26 but when the weather isn't good, if it's raining, or snowing, 00:47:49.29\00:47:52.31 or sleeting, I uncover this and I come out here in 00:47:52.34\00:47:55.64 the morning, I start out at about 4.5 miles an hour, 00:47:55.67\00:47:58.94 I look out at the Rocky Mountains, and I say 00:47:58.97\00:48:01.72 "Good morning Lord, You're out here, aren't You?" 00:48:01.75\00:48:04.41 Quite often in the front yard there's deer, grizzly bears, 00:48:04.44\00:48:07.21 there can be moose, and I can be on this treadmill, and they're 00:48:07.24\00:48:10.99 just out here watching me, so it's me, my God, and God's 00:48:11.02\00:48:14.84 nature, and that's what we came here for, and I'm reminded 00:48:14.87\00:48:18.66 of that on a daily basis. Now over here to the left, 00:48:18.69\00:48:22.09 when we were first talking to you and we opened up 00:48:23.47\00:48:25.49 with Sally and I sitting on the swing. 00:48:25.52\00:48:28.00 The swing has more to it than that, this is what we call 00:48:28.03\00:48:32.85 "Swing time", and daily Sally and I come out on the swing, 00:48:32.88\00:48:37.58 we spend our time out here together, talking, reminiscing, 00:48:37.61\00:48:42.54 if there's something that my wife wants to discuss, 00:48:42.57\00:48:45.26 this is the time of day that I give to my wife. 00:48:45.30\00:48:47.96 It's usually half an hour in the day, and it's usually 00:48:47.99\00:48:51.11 from 12 to 12.30, we call swing time; it's one of your 00:48:51.14\00:48:54.26 - favorite times? - One of my most favorite 00:48:54.29\00:48:56.08 times dear, time to talk or discuss our problems, 00:48:56.11\00:49:00.25 or solutions for difficulties in the home or family, 00:49:00.28\00:49:04.35 or reminiscing, it's really fun ladies, just to reminisce 00:49:04.38\00:49:08.09 of those fun times with your spouse, and it binds the hearts 00:49:08.12\00:49:11.81 together, and God is interested in us binding our hearts 00:49:11.84\00:49:15.56 not only to Him, but to one another in our marriage 00:49:15.59\00:49:19.08 and our family. 00:49:19.11\00:49:21.66 You've noticed that while we're having swing time, just behind 00:49:21.76\00:49:25.66 us over here are some of our favorite little creatures, 00:49:25.69\00:49:29.14 we've got squirrels that are on the ground eating right now, 00:49:29.17\00:49:32.04 squirrels in the feeder that are eating, and even birds too. 00:49:32.07\00:49:35.52 We want you to enjoy not just the majestic deer, and the bear, 00:49:35.55\00:49:39.50 and things of that nature, but the little creature God 00:49:39.53\00:49:42.62 loves too, He loves them all, He made every one of us, 00:49:42.66\00:49:45.72 He made every one of them, and you can develop 00:49:45.75\00:49:49.16 a companionship and friendship with them. 00:49:49.19\00:49:51.82 Through the years my boys have taken squirrels in the house 00:49:51.85\00:49:54.92 and raised them, they've taken bunny rabbits into the house 00:49:54.95\00:49:58.04 and raised them, we've got birds that feed out of our hand, 00:49:58.07\00:50:01.16 we've had a pet bear that even when we're sitting on the swing 00:50:01.19\00:50:04.25 here, comes up and would eat out of our hand, a little cub 00:50:04.29\00:50:07.34 from youth when its mother was shot. 00:50:07.37\00:50:10.75 We came here to be close to these things, this, friends, 00:50:10.79\00:50:15.50 is better than Disneyland. I'm not taking a shot 00:50:15.53\00:50:18.37 at Disneyland, but the world sells us the artificial, 00:50:18.40\00:50:21.92 we decided we wanted to go back to God's original, 00:50:21.96\00:50:25.17 and get as close to it as we can, and we have truly 00:50:25.20\00:50:28.38 benefited from it. We want you to benefit 00:50:28.41\00:50:30.96 from it as well, wherever you are, God has His wildlife 00:50:30.99\00:50:34.91 there for you, come close to it because by coming close 00:50:34.94\00:50:38.86 to it, we become close to its Creator as well. 00:50:38.89\00:50:42.14 Amen. 00:50:42.17\00:50:44.41 Sometimes we don't always have something to talk about... 00:50:55.13\00:50:58.50 - That's okay. - ...so what do we do honey? 00:50:58.53\00:51:02.06 - We snuggle. - We snuggle out here, 00:51:02.09\00:51:04.29 and we'll kiss, and we'll hug, and just think about life. 00:51:04.32\00:51:08.24 We don't have enough time in our society for that today, 00:51:09.14\00:51:12.04 we're too busy even to love our own spouses, and our own 00:51:12.07\00:51:14.94 wives, and that's not right, we need to simplify for a reason, 00:51:14.97\00:51:19.74 and that reason is that we get more time with each other, 00:51:19.77\00:51:22.86 we get more time for projects with our children, and we get 00:51:22.89\00:51:25.94 more time for our God, that's why we came here, we didn't 00:51:25.98\00:51:29.00 come here to hide, we didn't come here to run from 00:51:29.03\00:51:32.34 society, we came here for a purpose, and that purpose 00:51:32.37\00:51:35.65 is being fulfilled in our life, and our children's lives too, 00:51:35.68\00:51:39.66 and we want it fulfilled in your life as well. 00:51:39.69\00:51:42.22 We want you to find that purpose wherever you live, 00:51:42.25\00:51:45.09 it doesn't matter if you're in Arizona, you can do it 00:51:45.12\00:51:47.96 in the desert, if you're in Iowa you can do it 00:51:47.99\00:51:50.54 on a corn field, if you're down in Florida you can do it 00:51:50.57\00:51:53.25 on the ocean beaches, if you're in Maine you can do 00:51:53.28\00:51:55.77 it in the North Woods, wherever you're at, you can duplicate 00:51:55.80\00:51:59.31 what we're doing the way God directs you to do it. 00:51:59.34\00:52:02.95 We just hope that you'll pick up on the principles 00:52:03.83\00:52:06.53 of simplifying, bring your life down to the irreducible 00:52:06.56\00:52:10.46 minimum so that you will have time for that 00:52:10.49\00:52:13.07 which really means the most in life, and I can say it 00:52:13.10\00:52:16.11 in one word, it's relationships. 00:52:16.14\00:52:19.00 It's a relationship where there's nothing between 00:52:19.03\00:52:21.44 my wife and me, it's a relationship where there's 00:52:21.47\00:52:23.81 nothing between my God and me, it's a relationship where 00:52:23.84\00:52:27.28 there's nothing between the parents and their children, 00:52:27.31\00:52:30.78 and when you have that, you have heaven. 00:52:30.81\00:52:34.82 You can start that here on this earth, you don't have to wait. 00:52:34.86\00:52:38.19 Now, it's going to cost you something, you may have 00:52:38.22\00:52:41.04 to change jobs, you may have to change locations, 00:52:41.07\00:52:43.82 you may have to sell some of those vehicles, you may have 00:52:43.85\00:52:46.83 to downsize, you may have to get off the treadmill, 00:52:46.86\00:52:49.56 I don't know what it is for you, read some of our books, 00:52:49.59\00:52:52.75 you'll get more ideas. We simply want to show you 00:52:52.78\00:52:55.11 what we did, not that we're the example, but if you can 00:52:55.14\00:52:58.17 learn something from our example, listen to the Holy 00:52:58.20\00:53:01.55 Spirit and the Holy Spirit will direct you in what He 00:53:01.58\00:53:04.91 wants you to do next, just follow the Holy Spirit, 00:53:04.94\00:53:08.24 He's your guide, not the Hohnbergers. 00:53:08.27\00:53:10.53 And find your resting place. 00:53:10.56\00:53:13.64 I see the signs around me in the world today, 00:53:32.48\00:53:40.06 I feel a sense of urgency, this is not the time to play. 00:53:40.10\00:53:49.12 Do you hear Him calling out to you as you're busy 00:53:49.15\00:53:54.12 day to day? Do you hear Him say 00:53:54.15\00:53:58.15 "I miss you, spend some time with Me and pray". 00:53:58.19\00:54:03.84 You're not wrestling with flesh and blood, 00:54:03.87\00:54:07.27 you need wisdom from above to carry out the great commission 00:54:07.30\00:54:14.08 and share the message of My love. 00:54:14.11\00:54:18.86 We drove 2189 miles one way here. 00:54:19.82\00:54:24.43 We've been together all week and it's been such a neat thing. 00:54:24.47\00:54:28.81 ...flowers, and the birds, and the squirrels. 00:54:28.84\00:54:33.15 We came on Sunday and we didn't plan on staying the whole week, 00:54:34.16\00:54:38.36 but we decided we didn't want to leave. 00:54:38.39\00:54:42.49 To see the nucleus of what Jim and Sally had started out 00:54:42.67\00:54:46.02 with in raising their boys. 00:54:46.05\00:54:49.30 It's good to just see his firewood's like my firewood, 00:54:49.34\00:54:52.17 and it's that practical. 00:54:52.20\00:54:55.81 The messages are powerful, and then you see God's 00:54:55.85\00:54:58.82 people making it work. 00:54:58.85\00:55:01.24 It helps our family grow a lot more in Jesus. 00:55:01.28\00:55:03.83 ...Just the simplicity, the humbleness, these people 00:55:03.86\00:55:07.07 are who they say they are. 00:55:07.10\00:55:09.55 In their home they have the love, and their 00:55:09.59\00:55:14.01 Christianity is consistent, it doesn't stop when things 00:55:14.05\00:55:17.47 - go wrong. - When I went through 00:55:17.50\00:55:20.20 their house and I saw how small and compact it was, 00:55:20.23\00:55:23.55 I think smaller is better, and I wish that we had 00:55:23.58\00:55:26.90 a smaller home. 00:55:26.93\00:55:28.98 ...but it is for the complete family, for the children 00:55:29.02\00:55:33.08 as well. 00:55:33.11\00:55:34.70 It's like the whole property is designed around family. 00:55:34.74\00:55:38.87 I thought I was a normal family, but then when you realize 00:55:38.90\00:55:43.01 there's something better out there, and you see 00:55:43.04\00:55:47.57 the happiness that a family can have, it makes 00:55:47.61\00:55:52.11 all the difference in the world, and you want that. 00:55:52.15\00:55:56.27 This is kind of a physical example of what He's done 00:55:56.30\00:56:00.43 for one family. 00:56:00.46\00:56:04.76 And I believe He can do it for us too. 00:56:04.80\00:56:08.47 A happy home is almost extinct in this day and age, 00:56:08.69\00:56:12.70 and people need to see that a happy home with Jesus 00:56:12.74\00:56:16.00 can be a reality, no matter what your background is. 00:56:16.03\00:56:19.21 It's helped our family get a lot closer to God, and as 00:56:19.25\00:56:22.40 coming closer to God we've come a lot closer as a family. 00:56:22.43\00:56:26.31 The Hohnbergers' experience is a picture of a lifestyle that I 00:56:26.34\00:56:32.24 - want to live. - And I loves Jesus very much. 00:56:32.27\00:56:36.97 I can just feel God, He's working in my life, little by 00:56:37.01\00:56:40.88 little the temper's going away, I have more patience. 00:56:40.92\00:56:44.83 I wanted to experience what they experienced because 00:56:44.86\00:56:48.74 I know that if God it to them, He could give it to me. 00:56:48.78\00:56:52.63 The principles that Mr. and Mrs. Hohnberger have shared 00:56:53.21\00:56:56.48 have helped us tremendously. 00:56:56.51\00:56:59.01 Jesus is my Saviour. 00:57:00.68\00:57:03.58 We've been on a journey with God for 20 years, God is still 00:57:04.92\00:57:08.83 calling us higher, we're willing to go as He directs. 00:57:08.86\00:57:12.73 I've got a feeling that God is calling you to a newer, 00:57:13.63\00:57:17.05 deeper, journey as well, we're launching off with God, 00:57:17.08\00:57:20.47 won't you too? 00:57:20.50\00:57:23.05 Jesus is the power ever in my soul, 00:57:24.07\00:57:29.91 His the love that makes the family whole. 00:57:29.95\00:57:35.78 Families thus united set the church aflame, 00:57:35.81\00:57:41.97 lighting up the world with power, and Jesus' name. 00:57:42.01\00:57:50.29