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- Well, good morning,
everyone! [Good morning.]
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Good to see you
bright and early. [laughter]
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It's a lot more
difficult to start at 8 than 9.
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So, we're re-evaluating
this, and maybe next
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year we'll go back to
9. That is, if we're still
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here, and we're not in
the Kingdom. [laughter]
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Anyway, what we're gonna
do today is study chapter
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7. It's on page 181
of your manual-pg. 181-
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and we're not gonna be
able to cover this in one
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class. So, we're
gonna take two classes to
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study this chapter.
Then, the two sessions this
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afternoon, we'll deal
in one session with the
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next chapter, and then
we will begin the chapter
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on Revelation chapter 10
after that. So, we'll take
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all of today and
all of tomorrow to study
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the interlude - Revelation
chapter 10 and Revelation
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chapter 11. So,
let's have a word of prayer
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as we begin, and then
we'll get right into our
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study. Father in
heaven, we thank You for giving
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us life this day. We
thank You for the privilege of
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freely opening Your Word
to discover Your will for
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us. We ask that you will
bless us as we study today,
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that your Holy Spirit
will be present with us
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to enlighten our
minds, to open our hearts,
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and to empower us to be
witnesses for You. Thank
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You, Father, for
hearing our prayer, for we ask
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it in Jesus' name.
Amen. [Amen.] All right! Let's
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go to the top of
page 181. Revelation 11:2.
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You're probably
wondering why we're starting our
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study of Revelation 11
in verse 2! Well, because
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we're gonna find that
verse 1 belongs to chapter
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10. That'll become clear
a little bit later on. So,
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just in the corner of your
mind, remember that Revelation
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11:1 should be the conclusion
of chapter 10, okay? The
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chapter division is in
the wrong place. So, we're
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gonna begin in
Revelation 11:2. Let's read that
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verse. We're gonna go
verse-by-verse through
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Revelation 11 in the
next two sessions. It says
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here in Revelation
11:2... [text on-screen]
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Now, there are
several questions that we need
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to ask about this
verse, and they're here on this
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page. First of all, what
is the meaning of "the court"
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in this verse? What is
the meaning of "the court"?
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Second question, why
does the angel command
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John not to measure
the court of the temple?
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Why does he say, "Don't measure
the temple, but don't measure
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the court"? Question
#3) Daniel 8:10-13, which
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should be fresh in
our minds because of the
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Sabbath School lesson
last Sabbath, refers to
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trampling the sanctuary
and the host, and interfering
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with the work of
the prince of the host.
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Revelation 13:5 speaks
of the blaspheming of the
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tabernacle in heaven
and those who worship
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there. Do these actions
have anything to do with
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measuring the temple?
In other words, is there
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any relationship
between Daniel 8 and Revelation
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chapter 11:2? #4)
What does the holy city
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represent in this
verse? What does the Holy City
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represent?-the Holy
City that is trampled.
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Question #5) Who are
the Gentiles who trampled
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the Holy City?
Question #6) When did the period
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of the 42 months
begin and end? Question #7)
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Are the 42 months
past or future, as many are
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teaching in the
Adventist Church these days? And
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#8) Did God give the court
of the temple to the Gentiles
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before the measurement
of the temple began, or
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after the
measurement of the temple began?
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Are you understanding
the questions? Now, we
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have the questions;
let's look for answers to the
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questions. Daniel and
Revelation refer to the
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1,260 days in different
ways and with different
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emphases. You have in
Revelation- in, actually,
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the next page, you're
gonna find several places
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where you have the 1,260
days mentioned. In Daniel
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7, the emphasis
falls upon what the papacy
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did as a system on
earth during the 1,260 years -
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the actions, in other
words, of the little horn. It
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blasphemed God, it persecuted
the saints of God, it thought
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it could change God's
law, etc. So, the focus
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in Daniel 7 is on the
actions of the little horn
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for time, times, and
the dividing of time.
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In Revelation 12 that
mentions "time, times,
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and dividing of
time," and also 1,260 days,
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the central focus is
on Satan persecuting God's
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people. The woman has
to flee to the wilderness
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because a dragon is
after her. So, the focus there
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is upon Satan persecuting
the Church. In Revelation
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13, the emphasis is
different. In Revelation
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13, we are told that
the beast attacks the
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name of God and those
who dwell in heaven and
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the heavenly sanctuary
and the saints of the heavenly
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sanctuary. So, Revelation
13, the emphasis is an
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attack on the
sanctuary and on the host of the
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sanctuary. Now, in
Revelation 11, which
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mentions 1,260 days
and 42 months, the emphasis
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falls upon the attack
on the Word of God. So,
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you have these time periods
in Daniel 7, Revelation 12,
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Revelation 13, and
Revelation 11, and the same time
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period is mentioned in
all of these places, but
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the emphasis is,
each time, different. Now,
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Ellen White makes
a definite connection
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between what the papacy
did with the Bible during
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the 1,260 years-by the
way, this is the fourth
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trumpet, right?
1,260 years is the fourth
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trumpet-and the events
of the French Revolution,
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which is which
trumpet? The fifth trumpet. The
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proscription of the
Bible, or the prohibition of the
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Bible, by the papacy
during the 1,260 years
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led to spiritual ignorance
that exploded in the French
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Revolution and led the
revolutionaries to crucify
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the two witnesses, or
the Bible. Is that clear?
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[Yes.] Notice these
statements from Ellen
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White, which we
read yesterday. "The war
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against the Bible,"
this is during the 1,260
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years, "carried
forward for so many centuries
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in France,
culminated in the scenes of the
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Revolution. That terrible
out breaking was but the
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legitimate result of
Rome's suppression of
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the," what? Of the scriptures.
Does she link the 1,260
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years with the
French Revolution? Yes. And
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in the second statement,
it becomes even clearer.
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It was popery that
had begun the work, which
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atheism was what? Completing.
[chuckles] So, you have
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to study these two
trumpets together. See, during
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the fourth trumpet,
you have the beginning of
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the work against
the Bible; in the French
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Revolution, you have
the conclusion of the
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work against the
Bible. She continues, "The
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policy of Rome
had wrought out those
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conditions-social,
political, and religious-
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that were hurrying
France on to ruin." Now, this
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is an important sequence
in Daniel 8 that Revelation
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11:2 echoes. Daniel
8 tells us-now, we're
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gonna deal with
Daniel 8 first-Daniel 8 tells
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us that the little
horn trampled what? The
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sanctuary and
those who worship there,
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and took away the
daily? which we've already
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studied, a word that
describes the work of
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the priest in the
court and in the Holy Place.
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Both Daniel and
Revelation use the word...what?
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'Trample' as it
relates to the sanctuary. The
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trampling of the sanctuary,
the host, and the daily?
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transpires for 42
months. And then, at the end
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of the 2,300 days, the
process of cleansing the
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sanctuary begins. Thus,
Daniel describes a clear
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transition from the
daily service to what? To the
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yearly service. Now, the
same is true of Revelation
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11! So, we've noticed
Daniel 8, Revelation 11,
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is parallel. For
1,260 years, God allowed the
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Gentiles- and the
Gentiles would be equivalent to
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what? To the little
horn, right? To the little horn
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of Daniel 7 and Daniel
8. God allowed the Gentiles
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to trample the city
of Jerusalem, as well as
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upon the truth
revealed by the two witnesses.
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And then, after this
period, God would begin
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to what? To measure the
Most Holy Place and those
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who worship there. Are
you seeing the parallel?
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So, in Daniel chapter
8 after the trampling of
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the host, the sanctuary,
and taking away the daily?
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and everything,
the sanctuary is what?
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Cleansed! In
Revelation 11 after the Gentiles
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trample upon the
sanctuary and those who worship
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there, etc., then the
temple is what? Measured.
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So, 'cleanse' is the
same as what? 'Measure'!
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Okay? Now, we continue.
"Thus, there was a close
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link between Daniel 8
and Revelation 11:1-2.
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In Daniel 8, after the
trampling of the prince,
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the host, and the sanctuary
for 1,260 years, the process
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to cleanse the sanctuary
begins. In Revelation 11,
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the Gentiles
trample upon Jerusalem, and
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then the temple is measured."
Is this point clear? The
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cleansing of the
sanctuary is the same as what?
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As the measuring of the
temple. In Daniel chapter
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8, the little horn
tramples upon the sanctuary,
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the host, those who worship
there for time, times, and
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the dividing of time;
in Revelation chapter 11,
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the Gentiles
trample upon the sanctuary,
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those who worship
there; and then, at the end of
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that, the temple is
measured. So, to cleanse
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the sanctuary is the
same as measuring the temple.
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Now, I found this interesting
statement by Albert Barnes.
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Very, very interesting
statement. He was not
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an Adventist. Of
course, he's an old commentator.
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I like the old commentators,
because they commentate
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on the Bible; they don't
add a bunch of psychological
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and self-help things.
They actually deal with
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the biblical text.
He almost sounds like an
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Adventist here.
Notice, "This, as we have seen,
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would properly mean
that a separation was to be
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made between what was
the true Church and what
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was not," this is the
measuring of the temple,
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by the way, "though
it might seem to belong
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to it." [chuckles]
So what is he saying?
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He's saying that the
measuring of the temple
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means a separation
was to be made between the
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true Church and what
was not the true Church,
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though the false
church might seem to belong to
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the true Church. Are
you with me? In other words,
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there's gonna be
a separation between
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true believers and
counterfeit believers.
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That's what the measuring
of the temple is all about.
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He continues. "The
one was to be measured or
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estimated; the other
was to be left out as
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not pertaining to
that or as belonging to the
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Gentiles or to,"
what? "Paganism. The idea
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would be that though
it professedly pertained
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to the true Church
and to the worship of God,
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however that it deserved
to be characterized as,"
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what? "Paganism. Now,
this will apply with great
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propriety, according to
all Protestant notions."
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Not these days, by the
way, folks; in his day.
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"Now, this will
apply with great propriety
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according to all Protestant
[notions] to the manner in
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which the," what?
"...the papacy was regarded
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by the reformers and
should be regarded at
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all times. It claimed
to be the true Church."
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Is he talking about
the little horn? [Yes.]
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[chuckles] He
doesn't know it. [laughter]
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But thank you very
much. "It claimed to be the
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true Church. And to
the eye of an observer, it
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would seem to belong to
it..." Are you understanding
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what the Gentiles are
here? [audience approves]
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"...as much as the
outer court seemed to pertain
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to the temple.
However, it had the essential
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characteristics of,"
what? "Paganism, and was,
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therefore, properly to
be left out or cast out
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as not pertaining to
the true Church." And
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then, he continues
with this amazing statement:
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"Can anyone doubt the
truth of this representation
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as applicable to the
papacy? Almost everything
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that was unique in
the ancient pagan systems
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of religion had
been introduced into the
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Roman communion, and
a stranger at Rome would
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see more that would lead
him to feel that he was in
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a pagan land, that
he was in a land where
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the pure doctrines of
Christianity prevailed
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and where the
worship was celebrated, which
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the Redeemer hath
designed to set up on the earth.
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This was true, not only
in the pomp and splendor
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of worship and in the
processions and imposing
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ceremonials, but in the
worship of images and the
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homage rendered to
the dead in the number of
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festival days, and
the fact that the statues
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reared in pagan Rome
to the honor of gods,
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had been re-consecrated
in the service of Christian
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devotion to the apostles,
saints, and martyrs, and
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in the robes of the Christian
priesthood, derived from
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those in use in the ancient
pagan worship! [chuckles]
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Are you understanding
the point? The papacy
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claimed to be a true
religion. The little horn
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claimed to serve the
Lord...but it wasn't.
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He continues, "The direction
was that in estimating the
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true Church"... What
does that mean, 'estimating'?
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What would be a synonymous
term? [Judging.] Judging! That's
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right. In estimating
the true Church, this
00:15:52.01\00:15:55.05
was to be left out
or cast out. So what is
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it that is not measured
at the end of the 42 months?
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Those who professed
to be servants of Christ,
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but were not. So once
again, the direction was
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that, in estimating
the true Church, this was
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to be left out or cast
out. And if this interpretation
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is correct, the meaning
is that the Roman Catholic
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Communion, as an organized
body, is to be regarded
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as no part of the
true Church. "A conclusion
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which is inevitable: If
the passages of Scripture,
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which are commonly supposed
by Protestants to apply to
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it, are correctly applied.
To determine this and to
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separate the true Church
from it was no small part
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of the work of the Reformation."
So, he says that the separation
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was done at the Reformation.
That's where he goes
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off-track. Where's
the separation done? It's
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after the 1,260
days, and it's done in the
00:16:53.17\00:16:55.71
heavenly sanctuary in
the investigative judgment.
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But is he pretty
much on target in what he
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wrote? You better
believe it. No Protestant would
00:17:01.48\00:17:03.95
write that today, because
we're living in different
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times; we're living in
politically-correct times.
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Let's continue.
In Revelation 11:1,
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the angel transported
John in vision to 1844
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and told him to
measure the temple and those
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who worship there. This
is the verse that belongs
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with chapter 10, verse
1 of chapter 11. So, the
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angel told John to
measure the temple and those who
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worship there. However,
the angel also told him, in
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verse 2, not to
measure the court where the
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Gentiles
worshiped, because it had been
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given-listen-not
will be given, but it had
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been given to them.
Once again, let's go
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back. Not will be given
to them from 1844 forward,
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but rather had been given
to them from when forward?
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From 538 A.D.
forward. The best translation
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of the Greek word
'edothe', which is 'given', is a
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first aorist-that's
a past tense-passive
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indicative. Somebody
else is giving this to
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the power that is doing
this. So, the best translation
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of the Greek word 'edothe'
is 'was given'. It is worthy
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of note-and this is
significant. I looked
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up the appearances
of this word in the NIV,
00:18:34.71\00:18:38.51
and every other appearance
of this word in the NIV is
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translated, "was given".
Only in this one instance
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does the NIV translate
the aorist passive as a
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perfect tense, "has been
given". That's a significant
00:18:51.03\00:18:54.70
difference. Now,
let's continue. The tense of
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the verb clearly indicates
this is a very important
00:18:58.77\00:19:01.60
paragraph that God gave
the court to the Gentiles
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when? After the
process of measuring begins or
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before? [Before.]
Before the process of measuring
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the temple began.
Stated another way, God gave
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the court to the Gentiles.
They would then trample
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the Holy City for
42 months, and then the
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angel told John to measure
the temple and its worshipers.
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Are you understanding
this point? Critically
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important. That's why
we need to understand that
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chapter 11:1 belongs
to chapter 10. It is the
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conclusion of chapter
10. You'll notice, Young's
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literal translation
of Revelation 11:2-3
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captures the correct
translation of the word
00:19:48.22\00:19:50.62
'adothe'. It translates
like this: "And the court
00:19:50.69\00:19:54.56
that is without
the sanctuary, leave it
00:19:54.62\00:19:56.83
out, and thou mayest
not measure it because,"
00:19:56.89\00:20:00.20
what? Don't measure
the court, because it was
00:20:00.30\00:20:05.10
given. When was it
given? In the year 538. Correct.
00:20:05.13\00:20:09.74
"So it was given
to the nations," which
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is the same as the Gentiles,
"and the Holy City," what?-
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future tense-"shall
tread down for 42 months, and
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I will give to My
two witnesses, and they
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shall prophesy
days, 1,260, arrayed with
00:20:27.46\00:20:34.10
sackcloth." So are you
understanding this point?
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So what happens? When
was the court given to
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the Gentiles? In 538.
And then they're gonna
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do what? They're gonna
trample the Holy City how
00:20:46.98\00:20:50.35
long? 42 months.
And then what happens?
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After that, the temple
will be what? The temple
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will be measured. In
other words, the court
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was given to the Gentiles
in the past; the measuring
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of the temples takes
place after that. You
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have a little chart
at the top of page 185
00:21:06.63\00:21:08.86
that illustrates
this. On the left-hand side,
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you have the court.
John is told not to measure
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the court, because it
was given in what year?
00:21:15.94\00:21:19.11
It was given in 538
to the Gentiles, in this
00:21:19.61\00:21:23.75
case as Albert Barnes
said to the Roman Catholic
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Church for its period
of dominion. And then for
00:21:27.32\00:21:30.12
42 months, what are the
Gentiles gonna do? They're
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going to trample upon
Jerusalem. Future tense!
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In 1798, what would
happen with the little
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horn? It will lose
its power. And then in
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1844, the process
of beginning to what?
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To measure the temple
would begin. Is this clear?
00:21:49.54\00:21:53.68
Okay. Good. Now,
let's talk about the meaning
00:21:54.21\00:21:58.11
of Jerusalem in the
temple. In the New Testament,
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both Jerusalem and
the temple represent God's
00:22:01.68\00:22:04.42
faithful people on
earth. Now, you have a series
00:22:04.49\00:22:08.49
of passages here
that prove that point. We
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don't have time to do
an analysis of each one
00:22:11.59\00:22:14.60
of these texts, but
we will deal with some of
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these points as we
move along in our study. So,
00:22:18.80\00:22:23.41
let's skip these particular
texts-I hope that you'll
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read them-and let's
notice what Presbyterian
00:22:26.84\00:22:30.11
Minister Albert
Barnes wrote. He understood
00:22:30.15\00:22:34.32
this. "The Holy City,
Jerusalem, was regarded
00:22:34.35\00:22:38.95
as sacred to God as
His dwelling place on earth
00:22:39.02\00:22:43.63
and as the abode of
His people, and nothing was
00:22:44.06\00:22:47.56
more natural than to use
the term as representing,"
00:22:47.63\00:22:51.93
what? As representing
the Church. So, what is
00:22:51.97\00:22:56.34
meant by "the Holy City"
or "Jerusalem" in Revelation
00:22:56.37\00:23:00.58
11:2? It represents
what? God's people. Now, we're
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gonna notice this in
the next few paragraphs.
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This statement has
significant implications,
00:23:08.75\00:23:11.49
because if the Holy
City and the temple here
00:23:11.55\00:23:14.99
represent the Church,
then in Revelation 14:20...
00:23:15.02\00:23:19.23
You remember in Revelation
14:20, there are horses
00:23:21.00\00:23:23.33
that trample the
winepress outside the Holy City?
00:23:23.37\00:23:26.23
So, if the Holy
City in Revelation 11:2
00:23:28.24\00:23:31.11
represents the
Church, then what would the
00:23:31.17\00:23:35.34
city around which
the wicked are gathered
00:23:35.41\00:23:38.28
in the winepress upon
which the horses trample,
00:23:38.38\00:23:41.25
what would be represented
by the city there? The
00:23:41.32\00:23:44.59
Church! It means
that the wicked are going
00:23:44.65\00:23:46.79
to try to what? To
destroy God's people, and Jesus
00:23:46.82\00:23:49.36
with the horses of
heaven is gonna come to what?
00:23:50.33\00:23:53.26
To trample the
winepress to deliver His people.
00:23:53.33\00:23:55.63
So, this statement has
significant implications,
00:23:56.10\00:23:58.80
because if the Holy
City and the temple here
00:23:58.83\00:24:01.17
represent the Church,
then in Revelation 14:20,
00:24:01.20\00:24:04.61
the city that the
wicked surround must represent
00:24:04.71\00:24:07.71
what? The Church, as
well. Then, the scenario looks
00:24:07.78\00:24:11.78
like this: During
the 1,260 years, God
00:24:11.81\00:24:15.92
allowed the Gentiles
to trample upon the Holy
00:24:15.98\00:24:19.42
City and the temple.
But in Revelation 14:20-
00:24:19.45\00:24:23.86
and also chapter 19,
14, and 15-the Lord will
00:24:24.73\00:24:28.63
trample upon the Gentiles,
or the nations, who will
00:24:28.66\00:24:32.23
gather around the end-time
church with the intention
00:24:32.30\00:24:35.20
of destroying it.
This provides evidence that
00:24:35.24\00:24:38.67
the Lord will trample
upon those who trampled
00:24:39.21\00:24:42.54
upon His people during
the 1,260 years. So what
00:24:42.61\00:24:46.21
did the Gentiles do
during the 1,260 years? They
00:24:46.28\00:24:49.02
persecuted the
saints. They trampled God's
00:24:49.08\00:24:51.25
people. So what is
the result gonna be? God
00:24:51.35\00:24:54.69
is gonna what?
He's gonna trample upon
00:24:54.72\00:24:57.33
them. This helps
explain how end-time Babylon
00:24:57.36\00:25:01.30
will receive double of
what she what? Of what she
00:25:01.40\00:25:04.80
gave. She trampled
upon God's people, and God,
00:25:04.83\00:25:07.94
in turn, will trample
upon her. In Revelation
00:25:08.00\00:25:12.47
11:2, the Gentiles
stand in contrast to what?
00:25:12.54\00:25:17.28
To the Holy City, in
the same manner as in Daniel
00:25:18.35\00:25:21.85
7. The saints are
in contrast to what?
00:25:21.92\00:25:25.55
To the little horn!
And in Revelation 11, in
00:25:26.12\00:25:29.76
contrast to the
beast. When the Bible speaks
00:25:29.82\00:25:33.83
about Jerusalem, being
overwhelmed by the Gentiles,
00:25:33.90\00:25:37.60
it is not talking
about brick and mortar, but
00:25:38.07\00:25:42.00
rather, the people
who are in the city! Are
00:25:42.07\00:25:46.07
you with me? Now,
we're gonna pursue that.
00:25:46.11\00:25:49.44
In Daniel 1:1-2, we are
told that Nebuchadnezzar
00:25:49.91\00:25:54.78
took Jerusalem
captive. Boy, he must've had
00:25:54.85\00:25:58.89
some real cards to take
Jerusalem captive. [chuckles]
00:25:58.95\00:26:03.12
What does that mean when
it says that he took Jerusalem
00:26:05.36\00:26:07.43
captive? Those are
the words that are used.
00:26:07.50\00:26:09.36
Did he take the physical
city captive? No! He did
00:26:10.47\00:26:14.27
not take the physical
city of Babylon captive,
00:26:14.34\00:26:16.81
but the what? The citizens
of the city! The trampling
00:26:16.84\00:26:21.14
of the city by the Gentiles
for 42 months is the same
00:26:21.21\00:26:24.31
as the persecuting of
the saints in Daniel chapter
00:26:24.38\00:26:27.62
7. Is that point
clear? The Gentiles trampling
00:26:27.68\00:26:31.32
on the Holy City 42
months is the same thing as the
00:26:31.39\00:26:34.82
little horn persecuting
the saints for time, times,
00:26:34.89\00:26:37.53
and the dividing of
time. The Gentiles are those
00:26:37.56\00:26:41.66
who are not true
what? True Jews. What is a
00:26:41.73\00:26:45.97
true Jew? What is
a counterfeit Jew? A
00:26:46.03\00:26:51.91
counterfeit Jew is
an individual who claims
00:26:52.01\00:26:55.74
to be a follower of Christ
but is a counterfeit follower
00:26:55.81\00:26:59.21
of Christ. What is
a Jew, by the way? If
00:26:59.25\00:27:04.15
you are Christ's,
you are Abraham's seed.
00:27:04.19\00:27:06.96
It is not of the
children of flesh that are the
00:27:08.16\00:27:09.99
children of God, but
the children who have
00:27:10.03\00:27:13.23
the Holy Spirit.
So, in other words, the
00:27:13.29\00:27:16.63
Gentiles are those
who are not true Jews, or
00:27:16.70\00:27:19.93
true believers, but
rather counterfeit Jews or
00:27:20.04\00:27:23.07
counterfeit believers.
These counterfeit believers
00:27:23.10\00:27:26.17
are not judged in
1844. Who only is judged from
00:27:26.24\00:27:30.48
1844 on? Only those
individuals who-yes-
00:27:30.55\00:27:36.58
all who have professed
Christ, sure, but the purpose of
00:27:36.65\00:27:39.75
the judgement is
to separate what? True
00:27:39.82\00:27:42.79
believers from what?
Counterfeit believers.
00:27:42.86\00:27:45.46
By the way, are the
counterfeit believers
00:27:45.53\00:27:47.23
judged at that particular
moment? Ellen White says
00:27:48.40\00:27:50.40
no. But she says if
there's a person who
00:27:50.47\00:27:52.53
claimed to believe in
Christ but the records
00:27:52.63\00:27:55.67
show that they
were not true believers,
00:27:55.74\00:27:57.47
their case is put
aside to be dealt with during
00:27:57.54\00:28:00.74
the millennium. So the
purpose of the judgment,
00:28:00.78\00:28:04.45
beginning in 1844,
is for Christ to reveal
00:28:04.95\00:28:07.38
who are members of
His Kingdom. Because when
00:28:07.42\00:28:10.32
He comes, He's gonna
take His Kingdom. Are
00:28:10.39\00:28:12.69
you following me or not?
Now, let's continue here.
00:28:12.72\00:28:15.96
These counterfeit believers
are not judged in 1844,
00:28:16.49\00:28:20.36
but only the righteous.
In Daniel 7 and 8, the
00:28:21.36\00:28:24.73
central focus of the
judgment is not on the
00:28:24.80\00:28:26.47
condemnation of the
little horn, but on the
00:28:26.53\00:28:29.60
what? On the rewarding
of the saints who receive
00:28:29.67\00:28:32.87
the Kingdom along
with Jesus. In the judgment
00:28:32.94\00:28:36.08
before the second
coming, God will pronounce a
00:28:36.14\00:28:38.71
sentence in favor of
the saints of the Most High.
00:28:38.75\00:28:42.82
During and after
the millennium, God will
00:28:43.72\00:28:46.42
announce a verdict against
whom? Against their wicked
00:28:46.49\00:28:50.29
oppressors. It is
no coincidence that the
00:28:50.36\00:28:53.46
sixth church-important
point-the sixth church,
00:28:53.50\00:28:58.27
Philadelphia, as
in Revelation 11:1,
00:28:58.33\00:29:01.80
there are people who
say that they are what?
00:29:02.44\00:29:04.61
That they are Jews,
but they are not. By
00:29:05.37\00:29:07.28
the way, the church of
Philadelphia, God places
00:29:07.34\00:29:08.68
an open door. The open
door leads into the Most
00:29:08.74\00:29:11.21
Holy Place. Thus,
the synagogue of Satan
00:29:11.28\00:29:14.25
in the church of Philadelphia
and the Gentiles under
00:29:14.32\00:29:17.29
the sixth trumpet
are closely related. Now,
00:29:17.32\00:29:21.79
notice two paraphrased
versions-we need to be
00:29:21.86\00:29:23.86
careful with paraphrased
versions, but-I put these
00:29:23.93\00:29:27.00
two down which
really caught the nuance of
00:29:27.10\00:29:29.16
what the word
'Gentiles' represents. The New
00:29:29.23\00:29:32.57
Century Version translates,
"The court has been given
00:29:32.67\00:29:38.27
to those who are not
God's people." Is that
00:29:38.34\00:29:42.71
a good translation? Or
good paraphrase? Absolutely.
00:29:42.74\00:29:46.01
The message, which
is also a paraphrase,
00:29:46.55\00:29:48.75
translates, "It," that
is, the court, "has been
00:29:48.82\00:29:52.39
handed over to
non- Jewish outsiders."
00:29:52.45\00:29:55.56
[chuckles] Now,
let's continue. Let's read
00:29:55.62\00:30:00.60
another statement by
Albert Barnes. "This would find
00:30:00.66\00:30:05.07
a fulfillment if
there should arise a state
00:30:05.13\00:30:07.84
of things in the
church in which it would be
00:30:07.90\00:30:10.94
necessary to draw a
line," a line where? In the
00:30:10.97\00:30:15.04
church, right?
"Between those who properly
00:30:15.11\00:30:18.45
constituted the
church and those who did not.
00:30:18.51\00:30:21.58
If there should be
such a condition of things
00:30:22.82\00:30:25.15
that any considerable
portion of those who
00:30:25.19\00:30:27.46
professedly pertained
to the church ought to
00:30:27.52\00:30:31.36
be divided off as
not belonging to it or
00:30:31.43\00:30:34.66
would have such characteristic
marks that it could be seen
00:30:34.70\00:30:38.20
that they were strangers
and aliens. The interpretation
00:30:38.27\00:30:41.64
would demand that they
should sustain some relation
00:30:41.70\00:30:44.64
to the church or
that they would seem to
00:30:44.71\00:30:47.48
belong to it, as the
court did to the temple,
00:30:47.54\00:30:50.71
but still that this
was in appearance only and
00:30:51.15\00:30:55.22
that in estimating
the true Church, it was
00:30:55.28\00:30:58.19
necessary to lead them
out altogether." So, Albert
00:30:58.25\00:31:02.32
Barnes is right on
target here. He's talking about
00:31:02.39\00:31:05.26
the judgment
separating people who are in the
00:31:05.36\00:31:07.96
Church: those who are
true believers from those
00:31:08.03\00:31:11.40
who are counterfeit
believers. So are we
00:31:11.47\00:31:15.17
doing well? You understand
this point? Critical point
00:31:15.24\00:31:19.94
for what we're
gonna talk about when we
00:31:20.01\00:31:21.54
deal with Revelation
chapter 10, because Revelation
00:31:21.61\00:31:23.91
chapter 10 is talking
about the announcement
00:31:23.98\00:31:26.28
of the beginning of
the investigative judgment
00:31:26.38\00:31:28.15
in 1844. Now,
let's continue here with
00:31:28.22\00:31:33.05
the comments on Revelation
11:3. All of our comments
00:31:33.15\00:31:36.32
so far have been on
Revelation chapter 11:2.
00:31:36.39\00:31:40.33
Now, let's go to 11:3.
Now, what's gonna happen
00:31:40.40\00:31:44.00
here is, it's gonna
go back and it's gonna
00:31:44.07\00:31:49.07
talk about what the
Gentiles did during the
00:31:49.10\00:31:52.67
1,260 years. Are
you with me or not? So,
00:31:52.71\00:31:57.85
it's been introduced,
don't measure the court,
00:31:57.91\00:32:01.28
because it was given
to the Gentiles. And now,
00:32:01.82\00:32:03.89
we're gonna have a
description of what
00:32:04.49\00:32:05.82
the Gentiles did from
538 to 1798. So, let's
00:32:05.85\00:32:10.36
ask some questions:
Who are the two witnesses?
00:32:11.23\00:32:14.76
Why are they clothed
in sackcloth? Who is the
00:32:15.80\00:32:21.07
person who gives them
power to prophesy? That
00:32:21.14\00:32:24.87
is to say, who is
saying, "I will give power to
00:32:24.94\00:32:29.18
My two witnesses"? And
finally, why do two olive
00:32:29.24\00:32:33.25
trees and two candlesticks
symbolize the two witnesses?
00:32:33.31\00:32:37.85
So, let's read the verse.
Here, this is Jesus speaking,
00:32:37.95\00:32:42.46
we're gonna notice.
[reads on-screen text]
00:32:42.52\00:32:48.90
Let me ask you: Is that
the same as the 42 months
00:32:54.24\00:32:57.34
that we just read
about in verse 2? So do you
00:32:57.41\00:33:00.74
see that Revelation [11:1]
is actually the conclusion
00:33:00.84\00:33:04.41
of chapter 10? See,
in verse 2, he introduces
00:33:04.51\00:33:08.05
the Gentiles, which
represent counterfeit
00:33:08.12\00:33:10.12
believers in the church;
don't measure them, because
00:33:10.22\00:33:14.69
your purpose is to determine
who is a member of the Kingdom.
00:33:14.76\00:33:17.33
Because when Jesus
comes, He has to take them with
00:33:17.86\00:33:19.63
Him. And then he
says, "Now I'm gonna go back
00:33:19.69\00:33:22.36
and I'm gonna talk about
the period when the Gentiles
00:33:22.43\00:33:24.50
trampled the Holy
City." So, let's notice here
00:33:24.60\00:33:28.77
about the two
witnesses. "The person who gives
00:33:30.84\00:33:33.84
the two witnesses
power to prophesy is," whom?
00:33:33.91\00:33:37.65
Jesus, because He
sent the power of the Holy
00:33:38.08\00:33:41.95
Spirit at Pentecost
to enable the apostles to
00:33:42.05\00:33:44.92
be His witnesses
to proclaim the Word.
00:33:44.99\00:33:47.39
Notice Acts 1:8. Jesus
says this... [text on-screen]
00:33:47.89\00:33:54.83
So, who gives power
to the two witnesses?
00:33:54.96\00:33:57.43
Jesus does! [continues reading]
00:33:57.93\00:34:03.17
Do you see the
connection with Revelation 11:3?
00:34:05.57\00:34:08.74
Power and witness.
[continues reading text]
00:34:09.21\00:34:12.95
Clearly, we must link
00:34:25.59\00:34:27.86
the two witnesses
with Acts 1 where Jesus
00:34:27.96\00:34:31.60
promised to impart power
to His apostles and referred
00:34:31.73\00:34:35.20
to them with the possessive
pronoun 'My' and called
00:34:35.34\00:34:39.24
them to be His
what? His witnesses to the
00:34:39.31\00:34:42.51
world. Now, although
the word 'power' is not
00:34:42.61\00:34:45.55
in the original in
verse 3, most versions say
00:34:45.65\00:34:49.82
that Jesus gave the two
witnesses power or authority.
00:34:49.88\00:34:54.46
Next page: pg. 188.
Someone may wonder...
00:34:55.42\00:35:00.13
Now, here's an
important point. You're saying,
00:35:00.23\00:35:01.70
"Well, Pastor Bohr,
you said the two witnesses
00:35:01.76\00:35:03.57
are the Old and New
Testament. Now you're
00:35:03.67\00:35:05.53
saying that the witnesses
are those who are preaching
00:35:05.63\00:35:08.47
the gospel. How do you
explain that?" Well, let's
00:35:08.57\00:35:11.64
pursue it. Some
may wonder whether the
00:35:11.74\00:35:14.14
two witnesses represent
the Old and New Testaments.
00:35:14.21\00:35:16.61
Yes, they do...but
there's more to the story. Jesus
00:35:17.55\00:35:21.98
made the apostles
what? The depositories of the
00:35:22.08\00:35:26.89
oracles of God. Where
are the oracles of God?
00:35:26.99\00:35:30.73
In the Old and New Testament.
He called them to preach
00:35:31.29\00:35:34.43
God's message as found
where? In the Old and New
00:35:34.56\00:35:39.03
Testaments. Thus,
the two witnesses-here's
00:35:39.13\00:35:42.00
the point-the two witnesses
symbolize God's messengers
00:35:42.10\00:35:45.27
who have been
empowered by the Holy Spirit to
00:35:46.37\00:35:49.41
give the message of salvation
to the world as found where?
00:35:49.54\00:35:53.82
In the Old and New Testaments.
So, it's not either the
00:35:54.38\00:35:58.79
Old [or] New Testament
and the preachers; it's
00:35:58.92\00:36:01.89
both and. Ellen
White underlines that the
00:36:01.96\00:36:06.19
two witnesses impart
their messages to the world
00:36:06.29\00:36:09.00
through the medium
of the church. Thus, the
00:36:09.13\00:36:12.40
two witnesses
represent the Bible as preached
00:36:12.47\00:36:14.77
by the faithful Church. Notice
[Vol. 4 of] Testimonies [to
00:36:14.90\00:36:18.07
the Church, pg.] 594 and 595.
00:36:18.21\00:36:20.98
"Until Christ shall
appear in the clouds
00:36:21.21\00:36:23.14
of heaven with
power and great glory, men
00:36:23.24\00:36:26.41
will become perverse in
spirit and turn from the
00:36:26.48\00:36:28.92
truth to fables.
The Church will yet see
00:36:28.98\00:36:33.09
troubleth times."
And then notice this next
00:36:33.12\00:36:36.26
sentence. "She"...
Who is the "she" there?
00:36:36.32\00:36:40.63
The Church. "...will
prophesy in sackcloth."
00:36:40.70\00:36:44.30
Did the two witnesses
prophesy in sackcloth?
00:36:45.93\00:36:48.54
What is she saying
here? The Church is
00:36:48.60\00:36:50.51
gonna prophesy in sackcloth.
Why? Because the Church
00:36:50.57\00:36:53.58
is gonna preach what?
The Old and New Testament.
00:36:53.61\00:36:56.38
She continues, "Although
she"... What is the "she"
00:36:56.91\00:36:59.68
there? The Church,
"must meet heresies and
00:36:59.75\00:37:03.15
persecutions, although
she," the Church, "must
00:37:03.22\00:37:06.76
battle with the
infidel and the apostate, yet
00:37:06.82\00:37:09.72
by the help of God,
she," the Church, "is bruising
00:37:09.82\00:37:12.86
the head of Satan. The
Lord will have a people
00:37:12.93\00:37:15.50
as true as steel
and with a faith as firm
00:37:16.70\00:37:19.50
as the granite
rock. They are to be His,"
00:37:19.53\00:37:22.60
what? "His
witnesses in the world, His
00:37:22.64\00:37:25.01
instrumentalities to
do a special, a glorious,
00:37:25.07\00:37:29.64
work in the day of His
preparation." Powerful!
00:37:29.71\00:37:34.58
See, the Word of God
in a book does no good.
00:37:35.32\00:37:38.62
He has to have a
people that study the book and
00:37:39.29\00:37:42.72
preach the book-preach
the two witnesses, if you
00:37:42.82\00:37:45.89
please. Now let's
go to the next section,
00:37:45.93\00:37:47.93
The Two Act as
One. Although there are
00:37:47.96\00:37:51.53
two witnesses, they act
as one. In perfect unison,
00:37:51.63\00:37:55.90
they testify-we're gonna
find this as we study along-
00:37:56.54\00:37:59.67
they testify
together, they pour out plagues
00:37:59.74\00:38:02.01
together, they
suffer persecution together,
00:38:02.08\00:38:04.31
the beast from the
bottomless pit kills
00:38:04.35\00:38:06.55
them together,
they resurrect together,
00:38:06.61\00:38:09.08
and they ascend to
heaven together. Thus, although
00:38:09.15\00:38:13.09
there are two witnesses,
they are in perfect harmony
00:38:13.15\00:38:16.22
and act as one. Is there
unity in Scripture between
00:38:16.29\00:38:20.00
the Old and New Testament?
Yes, there is. Now, here's
00:38:20.03\00:38:24.63
an interesting
detail: Revelation 11:8 uses
00:38:24.70\00:38:28.10
the singular word 'body'
in a collective sense for
00:38:28.17\00:38:32.41
both witnesses.
Let's go to Revelation 11:8
00:38:32.47\00:38:37.68
real quick here. Revelation
chapter 11 and verse 8.
00:38:37.75\00:38:41.92
Even though there are
two, it's referred to as
00:38:42.68\00:38:45.22
one body. 11:8
says- and the translation
00:38:45.25\00:38:50.09
says, "bodies", but the
literal Greek has 'body'-
00:38:50.19\00:38:54.36
[reads text]
00:38:54.70\00:38:57.27
So you can check that
out in the original Greek.
00:38:58.43\00:39:00.57
So Revelation 11:8 uses
the singular 'body' in a
00:39:01.10\00:39:04.31
collective sense for
both witnesses. In verse 9,
00:39:04.41\00:39:07.58
the word 'body' appears
once more in the singular
00:39:07.71\00:39:10.21
before the Greek
switches, then, later to plural.
00:39:11.11\00:39:14.05
The same thing happens
in verse 5 with reference
00:39:14.62\00:39:18.45
to the word 'mouth'
which is singular. They're both
00:39:18.55\00:39:22.49
speaking, but the word
'mouth' is used in verse 5.
00:39:22.59\00:39:26.53
"Thus, although
the witnesses are two
00:39:27.20\00:39:28.80
in number, they speak
as," what? "...as one."
00:39:28.90\00:39:32.90
And the text refers
to them as one. They are
00:39:33.44\00:39:37.14
one because they
have a common purpose: To
00:39:37.24\00:39:40.08
reveal the one and
only Jesus Christ. So, this
00:39:40.21\00:39:44.71
expresses the unity of
Scripture-of the Old and
00:39:44.78\00:39:48.42
New Testament. Now,
the two witnesses, what do
00:39:48.48\00:39:53.09
they do? They
prophesy. So, I'll let you read
00:39:53.15\00:39:58.46
1 Peter chapter 1:10-12
because time is advancing.
00:39:58.56\00:40:02.70
This is a comment on the
fact that the two witnesses
00:40:03.20\00:40:06.97
prophesy, so they
must be what? They must be
00:40:07.07\00:40:10.57
prophets. To whom
do the prophets point?
00:40:10.67\00:40:13.51
The prophets point to
Jesus! To the one Jesus.
00:40:15.51\00:40:20.35
The Old Testament
prophets and the New Testament
00:40:20.88\00:40:23.08
prophets point to
Christ, and you can notice that
00:40:23.18\00:40:25.99
here. I have explanations
in brackets in this passage
00:40:26.09\00:40:29.62
from 1 Peter chapter
1:10-12, so let's talk about the
00:40:29.72\00:40:33.50
Moses and Elijah
theme. These two witnesses are
00:40:33.56\00:40:38.03
not two ordinary
prophets. The context clearly
00:40:38.13\00:40:42.44
indicates that the two
prophets function in the
00:40:42.54\00:40:46.47
power and spirit of
whom? Of Moses and Elijah.
00:40:46.57\00:40:51.98
This is made clear
by the fact that Moses
00:40:53.01\00:40:55.18
brought a judgment against
the Egyptians for rejecting
00:40:55.28\00:41:00.12
God's Word. And what
did Moses do? He turned
00:41:00.22\00:41:03.53
the waters of the Nile
into blood. We're gonna
00:41:03.66\00:41:06.09
notice that this is
exactly what the witnesses
00:41:06.16\00:41:08.50
do. And Elijah
brought a judgment of what?
00:41:08.60\00:41:12.93
Of fire down from
heaven for the same reason. So,
00:41:13.44\00:41:17.44
you have an illusion
here to Moses and Elijah.
00:41:17.57\00:41:19.84
And by the way, futurists,
those who believe in the
00:41:19.94\00:41:23.81
rapture of the Church
and end-time tribulation,
00:41:23.91\00:41:27.38
the rebuilding of
the temple, they say that
00:41:27.48\00:41:29.15
God is gonna send literal
Moses and Elijah to preach
00:41:29.25\00:41:33.12
during the tribulation.
That is not what Revelation
00:41:33.19\00:41:37.19
11 is telling us. Let's
continue. Does this mean
00:41:37.33\00:41:42.26
that Moses and Elijah
would appear literally and
00:41:42.36\00:41:44.90
personally during the
1,260 years? Of course not.
00:41:45.00\00:41:49.50
Not any more than
Jezebel reappears in the fourth
00:41:50.01\00:41:53.61
church and Balaam
appears in the third church!
00:41:53.71\00:41:56.54
You're dealing with
symbols here. "Moses and Elijah"
00:41:56.64\00:41:59.91
are symbolic. (x2)
Moses was the prophet
00:42:00.02\00:42:04.75
that began the history
of Israel, thus being the
00:42:04.85\00:42:07.96
giant spokesman of the
what? Of the old dispensation,
00:42:08.06\00:42:12.49
or the Old Testament.
On the other hand, Elijah
00:42:12.99\00:42:15.80
was the prophet of the
future! John the Baptist,
00:42:15.90\00:42:19.73
Jesus said, was the
New Testament Elijah.
00:42:19.87\00:42:23.17
And at the end of
time, there will be a final
00:42:23.67\00:42:25.61
Elijah. So,
"Elijah" is the prophet of
00:42:25.71\00:42:28.14
the future! John was
the last prophet of the old
00:42:28.24\00:42:30.95
dispensation and announced
the fulfillment of the Old
00:42:31.01\00:42:34.12
Testament prophecies
in Jesus. The gospels
00:42:34.22\00:42:37.12
identify John the Baptist
as Elijah who bore witness
00:42:37.19\00:42:40.62
to Jesus who is the
light. And we also read that the
00:42:40.72\00:42:45.49
last book of the
Old Testament brings to
00:42:45.59\00:42:47.90
view that in the
future, there will be another
00:42:48.00\00:42:50.70
what? There will
be another Elijah. Not
00:42:50.77\00:42:54.70
in person; it is an
Elijah movement...the Remnant
00:42:54.80\00:42:58.54
Church that will
preach the same message that
00:42:58.67\00:43:01.71
Elijah preached.
Thus, the two witnesses
00:43:01.78\00:43:04.88
represent what?
Moses and Elijah - the Old
00:43:04.98\00:43:08.25
and the New Testament.
Now, let's go to the next
00:43:08.32\00:43:12.62
section: "The Word
of God and the Testimony
00:43:12.72\00:43:14.69
of Jesus"(x2). This
adds further information
00:43:14.79\00:43:20.83
to what we've been discussing.
Revelation 1:2 further
00:43:20.93\00:43:25.63
corroborates that the
two witnesses represent
00:43:25.73\00:43:27.84
the Old and New Testaments.
This verse tells us that
00:43:27.94\00:43:31.31
John bore witness to
two things - to what?
00:43:31.41\00:43:35.74
To the Word of God,
and the testimony of
00:43:36.31\00:43:39.25
Jesus Christ. In
fact, John was on Patmos
00:43:39.38\00:43:42.88
for bearing witness
to the Word of God and
00:43:42.98\00:43:45.75
the testimony of
Jesus Christ. The martyrs-
00:43:45.85\00:43:48.82
by the way, the word
'martyr' means 'witness'-
00:43:49.36\00:43:52.79
the martyrs of the
Dark Ages and the end times
00:43:53.66\00:43:56.56
suffered and will
suffer death because of their
00:43:56.67\00:44:00.04
faithfulness in proclaiming
what? The Word of God
00:44:00.17\00:44:03.37
and the testimony of
Jesus Christ. Hebrews
00:44:04.27\00:44:07.34
1:1 states that God spoke
in old times by the prophets,
00:44:07.44\00:44:11.78
but in these last
days has spoken by the Son;
00:44:12.38\00:44:15.05
that's Old
Testament and New Testament.
00:44:15.58\00:44:17.49
Jesus stated that
there were two witnesses to
00:44:18.02\00:44:20.26
His divine calling:
the Father, and Himself.
00:44:20.36\00:44:23.32
Kenneth Strand, who was
a teacher in the seminary
00:44:23.79\00:44:27.26
at Andrews when I was
there, I believe correctly
00:44:27.36\00:44:30.33
wrote here, "These
two witnesses are, namely,
00:44:30.43\00:44:34.60
the Word of God and the
testimony of Jesus Christ,
00:44:35.14\00:44:37.61
or what we today
would call the Old Testament
00:44:38.21\00:44:41.68
prophetic message and
the New Testament apostolic
00:44:42.31\00:44:45.61
witness to Jesus Christ.
The Bible describes God's
00:44:45.78\00:44:50.82
scriptural message
in terms of two sums:
00:44:50.92\00:44:53.82
The Bible is one
book, a unity composed of
00:44:54.52\00:44:58.96
two parts." The
Bible is a two-edged what?
00:44:59.06\00:45:03.50
[Sword.] Why two edges?
00:45:04.03\00:45:05.97
The Bible is represented
by two witnesses! Two
00:45:10.91\00:45:14.51
candlesticks. Two
olive trees. Two keys! You
00:45:14.64\00:45:20.62
say, "What do you mean,
'two keys'?" Well, Jesus
00:45:20.68\00:45:23.02
said to Peter, "I
will give you the," what?
00:45:23.12\00:45:24.65
"...keys, without a
qualifier. The dual...two!
00:45:25.22\00:45:29.72
"I will give you the
keys." Moses and Elijah -
00:45:29.82\00:45:33.19
once again, a
twosome: the Word of God, and
00:45:33.29\00:45:35.50
the testimony of Jesus
Christ. Are you understanding
00:45:35.56\00:45:37.47
that the two witnesses
are the Bible? Two, but
00:45:37.57\00:45:42.50
one, because they give
witness to Jesus Christ.
00:45:42.60\00:45:45.47
Ellen White, at the
top of page 191, had this
00:45:45.97\00:45:51.01
very appropriate comment.
"The two witnesses represent
00:45:51.11\00:45:54.45
the scriptures of the
Old and New Testament.
00:45:54.55\00:45:56.99
Both are important testimonies
to the origin and perpetuity
00:45:57.45\00:46:02.52
of the law of God.
Both are witnesses also to
00:46:02.62\00:46:06.59
the plan of salvation."
Is she speaking about
00:46:06.70\00:46:08.60
the unity of the Testaments?
Yes. "The types, sacrifices,
00:46:08.66\00:46:12.63
and prophecies of
the Old Testament point
00:46:12.73\00:46:15.14
forward to a
Saviour to come. The gospels
00:46:15.24\00:46:17.87
and epistles of the
New Testament tell of a
00:46:17.97\00:46:20.21
Saviour who has
come in the exact manner
00:46:20.31\00:46:23.51
foretold by type and prophecy."
So, she's explicit that the
00:46:23.61\00:46:29.28
two witnesses are the
Old and New Testament.
00:46:29.38\00:46:32.82
The Old Testament
and the New Testament are
00:46:33.96\00:46:36.46
two distinct Testaments,
but they bear witness
00:46:36.56\00:46:39.49
to the one Jesus.
Although they are two, they give
00:46:39.59\00:46:43.06
witness to the one.
The Old Testament gives
00:46:43.13\00:46:45.63
witness to Jesus,
and you have all of those
00:46:45.70\00:46:47.54
texts there in parentheses,
as does the New. In fact,
00:46:47.64\00:46:51.84
the reason why John
wrote His gospel was to give
00:46:51.94\00:46:54.44
witness to Jesus. So,
the New Testament was written
00:46:54.54\00:46:56.85
to give witness to
Jesus, as well. Now, let's talk
00:46:56.95\00:47:00.08
about the
sackcloth. These two witnesses,
00:47:00.18\00:47:03.82
they prophesy how?
The Old and New Testament
00:47:03.92\00:47:07.32
prophesy...openly, with
full freedom! [laughter]
00:47:07.39\00:47:11.89
No! They testify
during- what period are we
00:47:11.99\00:47:16.30
talking about?
During the 42 months. What
00:47:16.40\00:47:19.93
period is that? The
period of papal dominion. Which
00:47:20.00\00:47:22.97
trumpet is that?
The fourth trumpet? Are
00:47:23.04\00:47:25.84
you seeing the sequence?
Now, let's talk about the
00:47:25.94\00:47:28.44
sackcloth. In Scripture,
God's people use sackcloth
00:47:28.54\00:47:32.51
when the wicked
persecute them. Sackcloth also
00:47:32.58\00:47:36.79
represents the
darkness of error in persecution
00:47:36.89\00:47:41.92
and affliction.
For example, when the
00:47:42.02\00:47:45.19
king of Assyria came
with the intention to
00:47:45.29\00:47:47.03
destroy Jerusalem,
what did King Hezekiah do?
00:47:47.13\00:47:50.73
Notice the
highlighted portions, because we
00:47:51.33\00:47:53.40
don't have the time to
read all of these verses.
00:47:53.50\00:47:55.44
What did he do? He tore
his clothes, and he covered
00:47:55.54\00:47:58.64
himself with what? With
sackcloth. And then it's
00:47:58.81\00:48:01.81
repeated once again in
verse 3, he covered it-
00:48:01.91\00:48:04.41
at the end of verse
2, rather-he covered
00:48:04.48\00:48:06.85
himself with sackcloth.
Why? Because he's gonna
00:48:06.95\00:48:10.75
suffer persecution!
There's a time of crisis,
00:48:10.85\00:48:14.12
a time of trouble. Remember
the book of Esther, when a
00:48:14.26\00:48:18.09
decree was given to
destroy all the Jews? What did
00:48:18.23\00:48:21.43
Mordecai do? Not only
he, but also, eventually,
00:48:21.53\00:48:25.07
all of Israel. Well,
he tore his clothes! And
00:48:25.13\00:48:28.50
what did he do? He put
on...sackcloth and ashes!
00:48:28.60\00:48:31.57
And then verse 2,
once again, emphasizes that
00:48:32.14\00:48:34.34
he was clothed with
sackcloth. And what is
00:48:34.44\00:48:36.78
he doing? And the
Jews, what are they doing?
00:48:36.88\00:48:39.81
There was great
mourning among the Jews, and
00:48:39.95\00:48:42.45
there was fasting and weeping
and wailing, and they clothed
00:48:42.52\00:48:46.76
themselves with sackcloth
and ashes. Are you catching
00:48:46.89\00:48:49.12
the picture? So, how
did the two witnesses
00:48:49.22\00:48:51.73
testify during the 42
months? Openly, right?
00:48:51.86\00:48:56.33
With full freedom.
No! They're prophesying
00:48:56.87\00:49:00.50
in distress-in
pain, in anguish-because
00:49:00.60\00:49:05.01
they're being
persecuted. By the way, also,
00:49:05.14\00:49:08.34
sackcloth, the emphasis of
sackcloth is upon darkness-
00:49:09.31\00:49:12.78
obscurity. Notice
Isaiah 50:3... [text on-screen]
00:49:13.85\00:49:19.79
There's a synonymous
parallelism with blackness...
00:49:20.36\00:49:22.92
[continues reading]
00:49:23.26\00:49:25.83
So, blackness is
identified with what? Sackcloth.
00:49:26.66\00:49:30.17
And of course,
Revelation 6:12, "I looked when
00:49:31.03\00:49:34.80
he opened the sixth
seal, and behold, there was
00:49:34.90\00:49:36.94
a great earthquake,
and the sun became black as
00:49:37.01\00:49:39.41
sackcloth." So, sackcloth
also represents obscurity.
00:49:39.51\00:49:43.28
Did Ellen White tell
us that the two witnesses
00:49:43.68\00:49:45.81
prophesied in obscurity
during the 1,260 years?
00:49:45.91\00:49:49.78
Absolutely. Now,
let's read some statements
00:49:50.25\00:49:52.85
here from the Spirit
of Prophecy. "Not only
00:49:52.99\00:49:56.09
is Satan leading
the world captive, but
00:49:56.19\00:49:59.09
his deceptions are leavening
the professed churches of
00:49:59.16\00:50:02.60
our Lord Jesus Christ.
The Great Apostasy will
00:50:02.66\00:50:07.30
develop into
darkness deep as midnight,
00:50:07.40\00:50:10.64
impenetrable as sackcloth
of hair." Are you understanding
00:50:11.14\00:50:15.38
what the sackcloth of
hair represents? It represents
00:50:15.48\00:50:17.55
what? Darkness deep
as midnight, because of
00:50:17.65\00:50:20.32
a great apostasy. To
God's people, it will be
00:50:20.42\00:50:24.39
a night of what? Oh,
the sackcloth not only
00:50:24.52\00:50:28.09
represents error, but
it also represents the fact
00:50:28.22\00:50:31.99
that there's gonna be
a what? Trial. A night
00:50:32.09\00:50:35.36
of what? Weeping. A
night of persecution for the
00:50:35.46\00:50:41.40
true saint.
However, out of that night of
00:50:41.54\00:50:44.97
darkness, God's
light will shine. [Amen.]
00:50:45.07\00:50:49.98
Notice the next statement.
"The Great Apostasy is
00:50:51.88\00:50:55.38
working to a point and
will develop into," what?
00:50:55.48\00:50:58.85
"...darkness deep as
midnight, impenetrable
00:50:59.69\00:51:03.19
as sackcloth of hair.
This is the time employ
00:51:03.26\00:51:06.96
any system that can be
devised to discover and
00:51:08.03\00:51:10.70
counteract the leaven
of," what? "...error."
00:51:10.73\00:51:13.60
So what do the
two witnesses do? They
00:51:14.14\00:51:15.90
rebuke what? Error.
"Let there be light.
00:51:16.00\00:51:19.71
There should be 100
light-bearers in our
00:51:20.54\00:51:22.74
world where there
is one today. Darkness
00:51:22.84\00:51:26.21
will become more
dense in human minds after
00:51:26.35\00:51:29.02
the truth has penetrated
and been rejected. However,
00:51:29.15\00:51:32.75
there are some minds
where the darkness will
00:51:32.85\00:51:35.42
be," what? "...will
be removed." Ellen White
00:51:35.52\00:51:40.36
saw a deeper
dimension to the two witnesses
00:51:40.43\00:51:42.56
than the Old and New
Testaments. She discerned
00:51:42.63\00:51:45.50
that represent the
church that preaches from these
00:51:45.53\00:51:49.17
two Testaments. As a
result, the proclaimers
00:51:49.20\00:51:52.17
suffer persecution.
In other words, the two
00:51:52.21\00:51:55.01
witnesses testify
through the medium of the Holy
00:51:55.08\00:51:58.01
Spirit who empowers
the Church, and the result
00:51:58.08\00:52:01.08
is what?
Persecution. Did John of Patmos
00:52:01.15\00:52:04.09
go through this experience?
[Yes.] Here's a person
00:52:04.15\00:52:07.29
that went through
this experience. The Roman
00:52:07.32\00:52:11.23
Empire exiled John
to Patmos, why? For the
00:52:11.29\00:52:15.73
Word of God and the
testimony of Jesus Christ!
00:52:15.76\00:52:18.03
God gave the book
of Revelation to Jesus,
00:52:19.27\00:52:21.17
Jesus to the Spirit,
the Spirit to the angel,
00:52:21.20\00:52:23.44
the angel to John, John
to the churches, and the
00:52:23.51\00:52:26.11
churches to the
world! The seven candlesticks
00:52:26.14\00:52:28.54
represent the work of
the Church in imparting
00:52:29.04\00:52:32.55
light. Let's read
this one quotation. "Until
00:52:32.61\00:52:36.35
Christ shall appear
in the clouds of heaven
00:52:36.42\00:52:38.09
with power and great
glory, men will become
00:52:38.15\00:52:40.86
perverse in spirit
and turn from the truth to
00:52:40.92\00:52:43.46
fables. The Church will
yet see troublest times.
00:52:43.53\00:52:48.06
She will," what? "...prophesy
in sackcloth. But although
00:52:48.56\00:52:52.70
she must meet heresies
and persecutions, although
00:52:52.73\00:52:56.17
she must battle with the
infidel and the apostate,
00:52:56.20\00:52:59.14
yet by the help of God
she is bruising," what?
00:52:59.54\00:53:03.65
"...the head of
Satan." And the next statement
00:53:04.05\00:53:07.35
is really significant:
"God's witnesses remained
00:53:07.38\00:53:10.19
in a state of," what?-
this is during the 42 months-
00:53:10.25\00:53:13.59
"in a state of
obscurity," darkness. "The papal
00:53:14.02\00:53:16.96
power sought to
hide from the people the
00:53:17.03\00:53:19.06
Word of truth and set
before them false witnesses
00:53:19.09\00:53:21.36
to contradict its
testimony. When the Bible was
00:53:21.50\00:53:24.77
proscribed by
religious and secular authority,
00:53:24.83\00:53:28.00
when its testimony
was perverted and every
00:53:28.07\00:53:31.01
effort made that
men, demons could invent
00:53:31.07\00:53:34.14
to turn the minds
of people from it, when
00:53:34.18\00:53:36.75
those who dared
proclaim it sacred truths were
00:53:36.81\00:53:39.98
hunted, betrayed, tortured,
buried in dungeon cells,
00:53:40.08\00:53:43.65
martyred for their
faith, or compelled to flee to
00:53:44.09\00:53:46.69
mountain fastness's
and to dens and caves of
00:53:46.76\00:53:49.92
the earth, then the faithful
witnesses prophesied in,"
00:53:49.96\00:53:54.00
what? "...prophesied
in sackcloth. So, you
00:53:54.06\00:53:57.90
can't separate the proclaimers
from the two witnesses
00:53:57.97\00:54:01.10
that they proclaim.
Then, you have the 42
00:54:01.20\00:54:04.61
months and the 1,260
days, which are mentioned
00:54:04.67\00:54:07.58
there in Revelation
11. Verse 2 mentions 42
00:54:07.61\00:54:11.31
months, verse 3 calls
it 1,260 days; it's the
00:54:11.38\00:54:16.28
same period. When do
these time periods apply
00:54:16.35\00:54:20.39
to? Well, Ellen
White makes it clear. Some
00:54:20.46\00:54:24.09
people are trying
to make these periods
00:54:24.16\00:54:25.53
future. A few months
ago, I wrote a response to
00:54:25.59\00:54:31.73
David Gates who had
made some specific time
00:54:33.13\00:54:39.81
predictions about the
close of probation and
00:54:39.87\00:54:42.61
the Sunday law and so
on. I responded to him about
00:54:42.68\00:54:46.55
his use of the 1,260
days and the 42 months,
00:54:46.61\00:54:52.82
applying them
literally to the future. By the
00:54:52.89\00:54:56.73
way, this is on our
website. If you want
00:54:56.79\00:54:58.76
to read it, it's
about close to 40 pages,
00:54:58.79\00:55:01.53
'cause there was a
lot to respond to in the
00:55:01.96\00:55:03.77
way that he handled
Scripture. But Ellen White
00:55:03.80\00:55:06.33
is explicit that
these periods in Revelation
00:55:06.37\00:55:09.54
chapter 11:2-3
represent the 1,260 years of the
00:55:09.57\00:55:14.64
past dominion of
the papacy! She's clear
00:55:14.71\00:55:17.58
about that. She never
applies them to the future!
00:55:17.65\00:55:20.32
Notice this statement
from Great Controversy
00:55:20.75\00:55:22.72
pg. 266. The
periods here mentioned 42
00:55:22.85\00:55:29.49
months and 1,203
score days are the same. Are
00:55:31.73\00:55:40.07
they the same? Yes!
Alike representing the time
00:55:40.17\00:55:45.97
which the Church of
Christ was to suffer oppression
00:55:46.68\00:55:50.38
from Rome. The 1,260
years of papal supremacy
00:55:50.48\00:55:54.32
began when? In 538
A.D., and would therefore
00:55:54.42\00:55:59.79
terminate when? In
1798. At that time, a French
00:55:59.89\00:56:04.09
army entered Rome,
made the pope a prisoner,
00:56:04.19\00:56:06.80
and he died in
exile. Though a new pope
00:56:07.26\00:56:10.37
was soon afterward
elected, the papal hierarchy has
00:56:10.43\00:56:13.60
never since been able
to wield the power which
00:56:13.70\00:56:17.71
it before possessed.
So, to which period do
00:56:17.84\00:56:21.88
the 42 months and
the 1,260 days apply?
00:56:22.01\00:56:24.88
Let's not try and
reinvent the wheel, folks. Ellen
00:56:26.92\00:56:30.49
White is explicit.
It's not future. And we have
00:56:30.59\00:56:33.92
some notable people
in the Church now that
00:56:33.99\00:56:36.32
are saying that, "Yes,
it was fulfilled during
00:56:36.42\00:56:39.49
the 1,260 years of
papal oppression; yes, it was
00:56:39.59\00:56:42.96
symbolic back then,
but we need to reapply
00:56:43.06\00:56:45.07
this and make it a
future literal time." That goes
00:56:45.20\00:56:50.71
against what Ellen
White said. She said we're
00:56:50.81\00:56:52.57
not supposed to set
time for prophetic events!
00:56:52.67\00:56:55.21
The last event that
is marked by time is
00:56:55.78\00:56:58.15
October 22, 1844.
Revelation chapter 10,
00:56:58.28\00:57:02.28
as we'll notice, says,
"Time will be no longer."
00:57:02.38\00:57:04.69
And it's not talking
about the end of the world;
00:57:05.72\00:57:07.36
it's not talking about
the close of probation...
00:57:08.26\00:57:10.03
When Revelation says
time will be no longer,
00:57:10.83\00:57:12.86
it's referring to the
prophecy of the 2,300 days. That
00:57:12.96\00:57:16.16
is the last-time prophecy.
There are no more prophecies
00:57:16.26\00:57:19.43
that specify
specific time for prophetic
00:57:19.57\00:57:22.24
events...period. So
if somebody comes to try
00:57:22.34\00:57:27.81
and to show you
that a date for the close
00:57:27.91\00:57:30.25
of probation and a
date for the Sunday law and
00:57:30.35\00:57:32.68
a date for the international
worldwide Sunday law
00:57:32.81\00:57:37.15
and so on, FLEE from
them! [laughter] Because they're
00:57:37.19\00:57:42.76
not speaking in the name
of the Lord! They're speaking
00:57:42.82\00:57:46.26
from their own heart,
and it's very dangerous
00:57:46.29\00:57:48.50
because it gives a
bad witness to the world.
00:57:48.56\00:57:51.03
They say, "There
those Adventists go again,
00:57:51.07\00:57:52.73
setting times, as if
they didn't learn already."
00:57:53.20\00:57:55.97
So, let's not do that.
00:57:56.40\00:57:58.54