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- Well, good
morning, students! So happy to
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see you here at Anchor
2020. During this class, we are
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going to study one of
the most difficult sections
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of the book of Revelation.
We're gonna take a look
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at the seven trumpets.
Now, the class, of course,
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begins on Monday, and
it ends next Sabbath. We
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study four hours a
day, and on Friday we have
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five hours. So, it's
gonna be very intensive,
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but we're gonna have a
wonderful time together.
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I'd like to mention
that we have 40 students in
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our class, and they
come from 10 different states
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and three different countries.
We're so glad that you've
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come to Anchor this
year. Now, before we get into
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our study, we want to
take a look at the table
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of contents. You have
in your hands the study
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notes for this
class. There's close to 400
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pages of material that
we're gonna take a look
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at in the course of
this class. There's also an
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additional
material: it's an article that
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appeared in Ministry
Magazine for January 2012,
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an article written by
Angel Manuel Rodríguez.
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The title is, "Issues
in the Interpretation of
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the Seven Trumpets of
Revelation". Basically,
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in this article, Angel Manuel
presents nine views of the
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seven trumpets within
the Seventh-day Adventist
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Church. We did not
receive permission to include it
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in the manual, in
the study notes, but you
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can read it. We copied
it off so that you would
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have a copy and would
be able to read it. So,
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let's take a look at where
we're going in this particular
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class. The table of
contents is on page 2- actually,
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page 1 of your study
notes. So, let's take a
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look at where we're going
to go in this class. You'll
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notice, first of
all, that we're gonna deal
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with some introductory
matters-different views
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in the Seventh-day Adventist
Church and in the Christian
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world on the seven trumpets.
What principles do they use
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for interpreting the
trumpets? Then you'll
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notice that we're gonna
take a look at the first
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trumpet, and then
the second trumpet, the
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third trumpet, the fourth
trumpet, the fifth trumpet,
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and then you'll
notice that under chapter #6,
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the fifth trumpet, you
have a chart that explains
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Revelation 12 through
22. I'm not sure that we're
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going to be able to
cover the chart, but it's there
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on page 146. You'll
be able to take a look at
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it, study it; it's
gonna take you a while to
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negotiate the chart.
And then you'll notice
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in chapter 7, we have
an interlude in Revelation
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chapter 11. That
interlude covers two particular
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periods of history. The
first period in the interlude
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of Revelation 11
deals with the 1,260 years
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of papal dominance-the
1,260 years in which the papacy,
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the little horn, the
beast of Revelation chapter 13,
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ruled primarily
over Europe. And then the
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second event that we
find in this interlude
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is a depiction or description
of the French Revolution.
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So, Revelation chapter
11 is actually an interlude
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that actually
amplifies the fourth trumpet and
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the fifth trumpet. So,
remember that. The interlude
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in Revelation 11 is
an amplification of the
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fourth trumpet, which
would be the 1,260 years,
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and the fifth
trumpet, which is a description
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of the French Revolution.
Then you'll notice another
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chapter-this is chapter
8- Matthew, Luke, and the
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times of the
Gentiles. This is a chapter that
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deals with the times
of the Gentiles spoken
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of in Revelation 11 and
also in Matthew chapter 24
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and Luke chapter
21. So, we're gonna take
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a look at that. And then
you'll notice from chapter
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9 through chapter 12,
we're going to deal with
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the little book of
Daniel chapter 12 and verse 4,
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which is amplified in Revelation
chapter 10. You'll notice
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that chapter 9 is titled,
"The Little Sealed Book".
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We're gonna see what
the contents of The Little
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Sealed Book of Daniel
chapter 12 and verse 4
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include. Then,
we're gonna take a look at
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the mighty angel from
heaven. This is a study
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of the second
interlude that we find after the
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fifth trumpet, and this
interlude deals with the
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little book that
was opened in Revelation
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chapter 10. Then,
we're gonna take a look at
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what it means to measure
the temple of God. That is
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in Revelation
chapter 11 and verse 1, which
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really belongs with
chapter 10-and we'll be studying
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that particular
point. Then, we have Daniel
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10 and the little
book. We probably are not
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going to be able
to study this chapter
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because we don't
have enough time to cover
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everything in the study
notes, but in Daniel chapter
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10 and the little
book, I hope that you'll read
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that chapter. It's
about 20 pages long; it has a
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lot of very
important material. Then you'll
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notice the next
chapter that we're gonna study
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is chapter 13. We're
gonna deal with the sixth
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trumpet. It's gonna take
us quite a while to study
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the sixth trumpet;
there's a lot of material there.
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And then, we will
study the seventh trumpet.
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You'll notice also
from chapters 15 to 18 that
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there are some additional
points. You'll notice in
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chapter 15, the title
is, "The Marriage Supper and
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Possessing the
Kingdom. We're gonna take a look
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at wedding customs in
Scripture and in antiquity,
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and we're gonna see
that the marriage of Jesus is
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the same as Jesus taking
over the kingdom. And then,
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you'll notice the next
chapter deals with examining
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the subjects of the
kingdom. It has to do with the
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investigative
judgment. Then, you have matters
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relating to
literary structure. This is a
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detailed look at how
Revelation chapter 8,
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9, 10, and 11 and
12 are organized. Then,
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you have chapter 18,
views and issues in the
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study of the trumpets,
and you have there included
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the prophecy of Josiah
Litch, and also the seven
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trumpets in Adventism.
And then you have, after
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that, the contact information.
So, let's go, now, to page
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3 and take a look
at the schools of study
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on the trumpets. There are
four of them: the preterist,
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the futurist, the
dual fulfillment view, and
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the historicist view.
This is not only views
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of Adventists, but also
views of non-Adventists.
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The first view that you'll
notice here is the preterist
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view. I'm just gonna
read from the manual:
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"The trumpets depict
events relating to the
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Roman empire and the
Jewish nation in the first
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centuries of the Christian
era. Thus, the trumpets are
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simple history. And therefore,
they are of historical
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interest, but they
have no relevance for the
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church today." So basically,
the preterist view is that
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the trumpets were fulfilled
in the ancient Roman empire
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and they were fulfilled
with the literal Jewish
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nation in the first
years of the history of the
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Christian church. So,
if that's the case, then
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they're of interest for
historical study, but they
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have absolutely no relevance
for the church today because
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they're already passed;
they don't depict events
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that are gonna take
place in the future. So, let's
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take a look, now,
at another view that is
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presented in the world
today-that is the futurist
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view which basically...
This is a view that teaches
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that the seven trumpets
describe events that will
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afflict humanity after
the rapture of the church.
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Now, this is primarily a
view outside the Seventh-day
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Adventist Church. I
don't know anyone in the
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Adventist Church that
teaches that the trumpets
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fall after the
rapture of the church; I don't
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know of any Adventist
who believes in the secret
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rapture. So basically,
these trumpets are describing
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events that are gonna
take place after the church
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is raptured to heaven-
terrible judgments that
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God is going to
afflict humanity with. Which
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means that the seven
trumpets have no relevance
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for the church,
because the church is gonna be
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gone! So, if the
church is gonna be gone in the
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rapture, why should we
even study the trumpets?
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They don't have any
relevance for us. Then,
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we have another view,
which is the dual fulfillment
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view, and you have some
Adventists in this camp.
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Basically, this is
the idea that the trumpets
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have a dual
fulfillment. Yes, you can apply
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historicism and say
that they had a fulfillment
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in the past, but they
will have another literal
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fulfillment in the
future. Some Adventists say that
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the future fulfillment
of the trumpets is gonna
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take place before
the close of probation.
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Other Adventists say
that the seven trumpets
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take place after the
close of probation in the
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future. And then you
have, finally, on page
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4 the view that I
believe is the correct one: the
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historicist interpretation
of the trumpets. Basically,
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what this view teaches
is that the introductory
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vision to the
trumpets describes the starting
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and ending points of
the entire series. The
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starting point, we're
going to notice, is the
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Day of Pentecost-when
Jesus began His intercessory
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ministry at the golden
altar in the holy place
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of the heavenly
sanctuary upon His ascension.
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Then, the series
will end when Jesus throws
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down the censer and He
ceases to intercede for
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humanity, and He takes
over the kingdoms of the
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world. So, another is
the introductory vision
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has the starting point
and the ending point of
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the seven trumpets. It
summarizes the two points,
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and the trumpets are
the events in between the
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introductory part, which
is the intercession of Jesus,
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and when Jesus takes over
the kingdoms of the world.
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So, for historicists,
strict historicists, the
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trumpets do not have two
applications. The trumpets
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have one application
beginning in apostolic
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times and ending when
Jesus takes over the kingdoms
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of the world. Now,
let's go to the subtitle,
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"Historicist Principles".
Of all of the passages
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in the book of Revelation,
the seven trumpet series
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is the most
difficult to understand. I must
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make an admission that
for years, I shied away
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from teaching about
the seven trumpets, because
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I looked at the
seven trumpets through the
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prism of Uriah
Smith's interpretation of the
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trumpets. And to be
honest with you, it made little
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sense to me. In
fact, I well remember that
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many times, I
taught Revelation seminars,
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the seminars
Unlimited Revelation Seminar.
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It's lesson 23, and
the title of lesson 23 is,
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"Trumpet's Herald; Rome's
Collapse". I always skipped
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that lesson. I went
from lesson 22 to lesson 24,
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because it was so long,
and it just... All of the
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interpretation of
the symbolism just made
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absolutely no sense.
Then, a few years ago...
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Actually, many years
ago, while I was serving as
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pastor of Fresno Central
Church, I decided that we
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would study the book of
Revelation in chronological
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order. Of course, that
obligated me to sit down
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and study the trumpets.
Because if you're gonna
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study Revelation, you
can't say, "Okay, we're
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gonna skip the trumpets,
folks." So, I was forced
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to sit down and
study for myself the seven
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trumpets, applying the
same principles that we
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apply to every other
section of the book of
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Revelation. The study notes
that you have are the result
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of my personal study of the
text of Scripture - not going
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to Uriah Smith or
going to futurist authors or
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going to other individuals
who have written about
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the trumpets, but actually
going to the book of Revelation
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itself with a
lexicon, with a concordance,
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and studying the trumpets
for myself. I think that
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everything is gonna
make sense as we move along.
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Now, we need to have
certain interpretative
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principles in order to
understand the trumpets,
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as well as other sections
of the book of Revelation.
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First of all, when the
book of Revelation does
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not interpret a
symbol, we must go to other
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places in Scripture
to discover the correct
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interpretation of
that symbol. Is that point
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clear? Secondly-and
this is probably the most
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important principle
of all-we must carefully
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consider the order of
events or the literary
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structure of the book
of Revelation. The book
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of Revelation is an intricately-
woven document, with flashbacks,
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foretastes, repetition,
and expansion. We must
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remember that God did
not reveal the book of
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Revelation in
strict chronological order.
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The visions of Revelation
run in cycles, just like
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the book of Daniel
has four cycles: Daniel 2,
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Daniel 7, Daniel 8 and
9, and Daniel 10 through 11.
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In other words, the
book of Revelation, you can't
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say, "Well, I wanna
know what's gonna happen in
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the future!" so you
start in Revelation 1 verse 1,
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and you go to Revelation
chapter 22, the last verse,
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and you say, "Okay, now
I know the chronological
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sequence of events."
No. The book of Revelation
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has a very tricky structure.
You know, I can give you
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an example at the top
of page 5 in your study
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notes. There are three
passages on the 144,000
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in the book of Revelation.
You have, first of all,
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in Revelation 7:1-8,
the sealing of the 144,000.
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Each section has a different
emphasis. So, in Revelation
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7:1-8, you have the sealing
of the 144,000. Then, you
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go to chapter 14,
many chapters in between,
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and you have the character
of the 144,000. And then,
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in chapter 15 verses
2 through 4, you have
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the victory of the 144,000
over the beast, his image,
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his mark, and the number
of his name. Now, obviously,
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this is not in chronological
order. You simply have
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three different
passages that emphasis different
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aspects about the 144,000.
The third principle that we
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need to take a look at
is the introductory scenes
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of each series contain
the beginning and ending
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points of the entire
series. This is what I
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mentioned at the very
beginning. So, in other
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words, the introductory
verses to the series of
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the churches, to
the series of the seals,
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to the series of the
trumpets, contains the
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starting point of
the entire series and the
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ending point of the entire
series. Are you understanding
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the point that I'm
making? You know, I have here
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several points that illustrate
this principle. In Revelation
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chapter 1 verses 1-7,
you have the two points
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of time to the
churches. Let's go there for a
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moment-Revelation
chapter 1 and verses 1-7, and
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you'll see that you have
the beginning point, and you
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also have the ending
point. Revelation chapter
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1 and verse 1.
Actually, let's go to verse 4,
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because of the
brevity of the time. It says
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in verse 4... "John, to
the seven churches which are
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in Asia"... So, would
that be the beginning point?
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He's writing to the
seven churches in Asia. But
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now notice verse 7-and
we can't look at all of
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the details in
between. Verse 7 says...
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Let me ask you: is
verse 7 in chronological order
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to what we find
before and after? No, because
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afterwards, it goes back
to speak about the churches!
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So, you have in this
introductory part of the
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seven churches, you have
the beginning point, which
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is John writing to the
seven churches, and the
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ending point, Jesus coming
in the clouds. That point clear?
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Now, let's notice,
also, Revelation 3 verse 21.
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This is the conclusion
of the churches' series
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and the introduction to
the seals: Revelation chapter
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3 and verse 21. "To him
who overcomes, I will grant to
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sit with Me on My
throne"- that's future, right?
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Jesus says, "...I will grant
to sit with Me on My throne,
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as I also overcame and sat
with My Father on His throne."
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And then you have,
after this, the seven seals.
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So, what is the
starting point for the seven
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seals? When Jesus
sits with His Father, what?
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On His throne! At
His ascension. Where do
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the seals end? When we
sit with Jesus on the throne!
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Are you with me or not?
So, the introductory verse
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gives you the
beginning and the ending point.
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The same is true
with Revelation chapter 8,
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the series on the trumpets.
You have-let's go there
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to Revelation chapter
8- the introduction to the
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series of the
trumpets- Revelation chapter 8-
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and let's notice
beginning with verse 2, because
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verse 1 is the conclusion
to the series of the seals.
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It says that...
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When did that work
of mingling the incense
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with the prayers of
God's people begin? When did
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that process begin?
On the Day of Pentecost!
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When Jesus began His
work of intercession in
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the holy place,
right? But now notice there's
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a change in scene.
Verse 5. In verse 5, it says,
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"Then the angel took the censer,
filled it with fire from the
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altar"-we're gonna come
back to this in Revelation
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chapter 14-"...from
the altar"-and what does
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he do with the
censer, now? No longer is he
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interceding with the
censer; what is he doing?
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He throws it to the
earth. "And there were noises,
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thunderings, lightnings,
and an earthquake." That
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represents the end
of intercession. We will
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study that a little
bit later on in the series
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when we deal with Ezekiel
chapter 10 where it speaks
00:20:04.47\00:20:07.70
about taking the censer
and throwing it in Jerusalem!
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That means Jerusalem
is now gonna be punished.
00:20:10.47\00:20:12.27
Are you understanding
this point? Critically
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important to
understand that the introductory
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vision gives you
the beginning and ending
00:20:19.38\00:20:22.55
point of the series.
And then, if you continue
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here on page 5, Revelation
11 verses 15-19 contains
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the conclusion to
the trumpets, a summary
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of the rest of the
book, and the introduction to
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the next section. [chuckles]
You see, now, how is that?
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Well, let's go to Revelation
chapter 11, Revelation
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chapter 11, and let's
read verses 15 through
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17. This is the
seventh angel who blows the
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seventh trumpet.
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That's where the seventh
trumpet ends! Note that there's
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a series of the trumpets-
ends there at verse 17.
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Now, you say, "What
about verse 18?" Some people
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make the mistake of thinking
that Revelation chapter 11
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verse 18 follows what
is in the previous verse.
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That's not the
case. What happens is,
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Revelation 18, now,
is gonna give you the
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summary of the rest of
the book. You say, "How
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do you know that?" Well,
let's read this interesting
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statement from Ellen
White. See, the little
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lady understood this.
How did she understand
00:22:03.22\00:22:06.39
all of these
little intricate details?
00:22:06.45\00:22:08.32
Lucky guess, right? No!
She was inspired, folks!
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That's how she knows!
We're gonna see detail
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after detail in the
trumpets where Ellen White is
00:22:14.90\00:22:17.47
right on target in
her interpretation. Let's
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read this statement
that we find in the book,
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Early Writings, pg.
36. You're gonna see that
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this takes you back.
"Then I saw that Jesus
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would not lead the
most holy place until every
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case was decided, either
for salvation or destruction,
00:22:33.31\00:22:37.19
and that the wrath of
God would not come"... What
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is the wrath of God
coming? It's the seven plagues,
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right? "...that the
wrath of God would not come
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until Jesus had"-what?-
"finished His work in the
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most holy place, laid
off His priestly attire and
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clothed Himself with
the garments of vengeance."
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That's the close of
probation, isn't it?
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"Then," it says, "Then,
Jesus will step out from
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between the Father
and man, and God will keep
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silence no longer
but pour out His wrath on
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those who have rejected
His truth." That is after
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the close of probation-
the pouring out of the
00:23:14.99\00:23:16.83
seven last plagues.
But then, notice what
00:23:16.93\00:23:18.76
Ellen White says. "I
saw that the anger of
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the nations, the wrath
of God, and the time to
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judge the dead
were"- what?-"separate and
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distinct, one
following the other." Are you
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catching the picture?
"Also that Michael had
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not stood up and that
the time of trouble such
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as never was had
not yet commenced." The
00:23:42.78\00:23:45.59
nations are NOW
getting angry! Let me ask you:
00:23:45.65\00:23:49.72
is that taking
place before or after the
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close of probation?
Before! Isn't it? Now, where do
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you find that expression,
"Nations getting angry"?
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In verse 18, right?
So, she says, "The nations
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are now getting angry"...
And by the way, when it
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the nations are getting
angry, she's not describing
00:24:09.21\00:24:11.21
just the nations
are angry at each other.
00:24:11.31\00:24:13.72
The nations are getting
angry - ultimately, they'll
00:24:14.22\00:24:16.58
be angry against God's
people. And, by the way,
00:24:16.65\00:24:20.16
this phrase, "The
nations are getting angry," is
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described in Revelation
chapter 12 through chapter
00:24:23.36\00:24:27.00
14. That's where that
anger of the nations is
00:24:27.06\00:24:31.37
described. Then, she
continues, "The nations
00:24:31.50\00:24:34.40
are now getting angry,
but when our High Priest
00:24:34.50\00:24:36.34
has finished His work
in the sanctuary, He will
00:24:36.47\00:24:38.74
stand up, put on the
garments of vengeance,
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and then the seven last
plagues will be poured out."
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So, notice the summary of
the five chronological states,
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five chronological
sections, of Revelation
00:24:52.52\00:24:56.12
11 verse 18. The
nations are getting angry. That
00:24:56.22\00:25:00.83
is described in Revelation
12 through 14. There, you'll
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find a description of
the powers of the earth
00:25:05.17\00:25:07.07
angry at God's people,
wanting to destroy God's
00:25:07.14\00:25:09.77
people. Revelation 15
through 19 describes the
00:25:09.87\00:25:13.58
close of probation and
the seven last plagues.
00:25:13.68\00:25:16.01
That summarizes what
phrase? "Your wrath has
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come." Then, it says,
"The next event is the
00:25:20.05\00:25:23.92
time to judge the dead."
Which dead? The righteous?
00:25:24.02\00:25:28.86
No! Who is judged after
the plagues are poured out?
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When Jesus comes. This is
describing the millennium!
00:25:35.23\00:25:38.47
Chapter 20. And then,
it says, "Time to reward
00:25:38.83\00:25:42.24
your saints." So, when
Jesus comes, is He gonna
00:25:42.34\00:25:44.91
reward His saints?
Yes. Is He gonna begin to
00:25:45.01\00:25:47.58
judge the wicked?
Yes. And then, you have the
00:25:47.71\00:25:50.98
final, which is to
destroy those who destroy the
00:25:51.08\00:25:53.72
earth. When are
those going to be destroyed
00:25:53.78\00:25:55.75
to destroy the
earth? After the millennium.
00:25:55.82\00:25:58.52
Are you with me?
So, verse 18 gives you
00:25:59.39\00:26:02.32
the introduction to
the rest of the book. And
00:26:02.42\00:26:05.03
then, Revelation 11
verse 19-we're on page 6-
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Revelation 11:19 is the
introduction to the next
00:26:10.83\00:26:14.80
section of Revelation,
to Revelation 12 through
00:26:14.90\00:26:17.31
14! Are you following
me or not? So, Revelation
00:26:17.41\00:26:22.38
11:19 - Ellen
White always applies that
00:26:22.48\00:26:25.11
verse to the beginning
of the work of Jesus in
00:26:25.18\00:26:29.58
the most holy place in
1844. Now, wait a minute,
00:26:29.68\00:26:32.65
if you take Revelation
in chronological order,
00:26:32.75\00:26:35.66
then you would have to
say that the opening of
00:26:35.72\00:26:40.50
the temple in heaven and the Ark
of His Testament (Testimony?)
00:26:40.60\00:26:43.97
is seen, you would have
to say, "That's after the
00:26:44.07\00:26:45.90
second coming of Jesus!"
But what is Revelation 11:19
00:26:45.97\00:26:50.71
doing? God is taking
you back to the section that
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deals with the
anger of the nations! Are
00:26:55.48\00:26:57.51
you with me or not?
I wish we had more time
00:26:57.58\00:27:01.22
to fine-tune all of
this. But that's why you have
00:27:01.32\00:27:05.35
the study time in
the afternoon! Go back;
00:27:05.45\00:27:07.42
reflect on it,
think on the basis of what
00:27:07.52\00:27:10.06
we are talking
about. Now, let's go to our
00:27:10.16\00:27:13.19
next section: "Serious
Questions on Hermeneutical
00:27:13.29\00:27:16.60
Consistency." 'Hermeneutical'
means "principles of
00:27:16.67\00:27:19.67
interpretation". Interpreters
of the book of Revelation,
00:27:19.77\00:27:23.47
I found in my studies,
are frequently inconsistent
00:27:23.61\00:27:26.91
in the way in which
they interpret the book. For
00:27:27.01\00:27:30.58
example, the historicist's
method teaches that the
00:27:30.68\00:27:34.68
churches and the seals
begin when? In apostolic
00:27:34.78\00:27:39.09
times! Emphasis is the
Apostolic Church, right?
00:27:39.19\00:27:42.62
And in the seals, we
teach the white horse
00:27:43.46\00:27:44.96
is the church that
goes out, conquering at the
00:27:45.03\00:27:47.73
conquer of the
Apostolic Church. So, the series
00:27:47.83\00:27:50.17
begins in apostolic
times, and ends when? When
00:27:50.27\00:27:54.50
Christ sets up His
everlasting kingdom!
00:27:54.60\00:27:57.04
This being the
case, why does Uriah Smith
00:27:57.51\00:28:01.08
and other interpreters
say that the trumpets
00:28:01.14\00:28:04.21
begin in the
fourth century with the
00:28:04.31\00:28:06.18
barbarian invasions?
Are you catching my point?
00:28:06.28\00:28:09.88
Secondly, some Adventist
interpreters believe that
00:28:10.72\00:28:14.22
there is a dual fulfillment
of the trumpets. One,
00:28:14.29\00:28:17.79
past, and the
other, future. However, is
00:28:17.86\00:28:21.40
there such a thing as
dual fulfillments in chain
00:28:21.53\00:28:24.83
prophecies? Are there
two fulfillments to the
00:28:24.93\00:28:28.00
churches? No. Are
there two fulfillments to the
00:28:28.10\00:28:30.87
seals? No. Are
there two fulfillments in
00:28:31.01\00:28:34.08
Daniel 2, and Daniel
7, and Daniel 8 and 9,
00:28:34.21\00:28:38.01
and Daniel 11? No!
In chain prophecies,
00:28:38.11\00:28:42.22
you have how many
fulfillments? You have
00:28:42.32\00:28:44.45
one fulfillment in
chain prophecies. Another
00:28:44.55\00:28:49.09
question: were the barbarian
invasions of such historical
00:28:49.19\00:28:53.90
importance that you
needed four trumpets to describe
00:28:54.00\00:28:57.97
the barbarian invasions?
That's what Uriah Smith
00:28:58.07\00:29:01.50
says! Furthermore, those
who interpret the trumpets
00:29:01.67\00:29:06.21
as a depiction of
the barbarian invasions
00:29:06.31\00:29:09.04
and the growth of Islam
and Turkey are, many times,
00:29:09.14\00:29:13.21
inconsistent in the manner
in which they interpret the
00:29:13.31\00:29:16.28
symbols. Sometimes, they
take the language literally,
00:29:16.38\00:29:20.36
and other times, they
apply the language symbolically.
00:29:20.82\00:29:24.79
There is an inconsistency
in the method of interpreting
00:29:25.16\00:29:29.40
the symbols.
Finally, at the top of page 7,
00:29:29.50\00:29:33.60
for those who see the
rise and fall of Islam
00:29:34.14\00:29:37.87
and the role of
Turkey in the trumpets, one
00:29:37.97\00:29:40.98
must ask, "Where in other
prophetic lines of prophecy
00:29:41.11\00:29:45.41
do you find a mention
of Turkey or the Muslims?"
00:29:45.51\00:29:49.68
Are they in Daniel
2? Are the Muslims and
00:29:51.02\00:29:54.86
Turkey in Daniel 2?
No. Are they in Daniel 7?
00:29:54.96\00:29:59.09
No. Are they in Daniel
8 and 9? No. Are they in
00:29:59.96\00:30:03.63
the series on the churches?
No. Are they in the series
00:30:03.70\00:30:06.80
on the seals? No. Are
they in Daniel 11 and 12?
00:30:06.90\00:30:10.64
No. Are they in Revelation
12? No. Are they in Revelation
00:30:11.07\00:30:15.28
13? No! So, to insert
the Muslims and Turkey
00:30:15.34\00:30:21.28
into the trumpets simply
is a reflection of a view
00:30:21.38\00:30:25.95
that was held by
Uriah Smith who introduced
00:30:26.05\00:30:29.02
this view into the Adventist
Church. And by the way,
00:30:29.12\00:30:31.33
I'm not demeaning
the work of Uriah Smith.
00:30:31.39\00:30:35.96
You can read his commentary.
His commentary is on Daniel
00:30:36.80\00:30:39.47
and Revelation are very
good! But he did not have
00:30:39.53\00:30:43.30
all the light on the trumpets;
he did not have all the light
00:30:43.41\00:30:45.67
particularly on the Battle
of Armageddon. He believed
00:30:45.77\00:30:48.74
that the King of the
North is Turkey and the drying
00:30:48.84\00:30:51.35
up of Euphrates was
literal! I think he was wrong
00:30:51.45\00:30:56.82
in his interpretation
of Daniel 11 and Revelation
00:30:56.99\00:30:59.49
chapter 16! That
doesn't mean that everything
00:30:59.59\00:31:02.06
that he wrote is not
trustworthy. Ellen White
00:31:02.16\00:31:06.09
recommended that his
books be read. So, I'm
00:31:06.16\00:31:09.56
just mentioning that
the difficulties that we
00:31:09.66\00:31:12.50
have with his
particular interpretation of the
00:31:12.60\00:31:15.40
trumpets. Now, we're
on page 7: "Introduction
00:31:15.50\00:31:19.37
to the Trumpets." We
begin by asking the very
00:31:19.47\00:31:23.18
important question:
are we to understand
00:31:23.28\00:31:26.11
the trumpets from
a futurist or from a
00:31:26.18\00:31:29.28
historicist perspective?
Seventh-day Adventist
00:31:29.42\00:31:32.92
theology has traditionally
interpreted the churches,
00:31:33.02\00:31:37.43
the seals, and the trumpets
from a historicist perspective.
00:31:37.89\00:31:44.00
However, in recent
times, there has been a tendency
00:31:44.47\00:31:47.57
among some Seventh-day
Adventist interpreters
00:31:47.67\00:31:49.80
to interpret the trumpets
from a futurist perspective.
00:31:50.87\00:31:54.31
And probably, the
person who has popularized this
00:31:54.78\00:31:57.98
the most is Marvin
Moore who, for many years-
00:31:58.08\00:32:01.38
I don't know if he
still presently is, but-
00:32:01.48\00:32:03.39
was editor of Signs of
the Times. As we regard the
00:32:03.49\00:32:07.52
trumpets, as I was mentioning
at the beginning-this morning-
00:32:07.62\00:32:10.53
there are two
futurist schools of thought in
00:32:10.63\00:32:14.10
the Seventh-day Adventist
Church today. One school
00:32:14.20\00:32:17.43
sees the
fulfillment of the trumpets in
00:32:17.57\00:32:19.67
post-probationary
time- that is after the close
00:32:19.77\00:32:23.10
of probation. The other
school sees their fulfillment
00:32:23.20\00:32:26.17
as future, from our time, but
occurring during probationary
00:32:26.27\00:32:30.88
time-before the
close of probation. Marvin
00:32:30.98\00:32:34.62
Moore belongs to this
second group that believes
00:32:34.72\00:32:37.89
that the trumpets will
be fulfilled shortly before
00:32:37.99\00:32:40.12
the close of probation.
I believe that the futurist
00:32:40.22\00:32:43.26
school commits two
mistakes in their interpretation
00:32:43.39\00:32:47.70
of the trumpets.
First, they often literalize
00:32:47.80\00:32:51.40
the symbolic
language. They speak about
00:32:52.13\00:32:54.80
meteorites falling
from heaven literally, and
00:32:54.87\00:32:58.74
asteroids falling
upon the earth. But when
00:32:59.37\00:33:03.68
the Bible speaks about
the falling star, you need
00:33:03.78\00:33:06.28
to see what the Bible
interprets the falling
00:33:06.38\00:33:08.55
star as-not just
think that it's a meteorite
00:33:08.65\00:33:11.32
or an asteroid! We have
to let the Bible interpret
00:33:11.42\00:33:14.89
its own symbols. So at
first, they often literalize
00:33:14.96\00:33:17.79
the symbolic language;
and second, they fail to
00:33:17.89\00:33:21.16
do a serious study of
the literary arrangement
00:33:21.26\00:33:24.17
of the book of Revelation.
You see, the literary
00:33:24.97\00:33:28.04
structure of the
book of Revelation is the
00:33:28.20\00:33:30.44
skeleton that holds
the whole book together.
00:33:30.51\00:33:32.87
And if you don't
have a skeleton, you have
00:33:33.88\00:33:36.48
a jellyfish that moves
here, there, and everywhere.
00:33:36.58\00:33:40.45
Many scholars-now,
here's an important point-
00:33:41.68\00:33:44.25
many scholars have
concluded that the book
00:33:44.79\00:33:48.06
of Revelation
follows the sequential order
00:33:48.16\00:33:51.86
of the Hebrew sanctuary.
In other words, that's
00:33:51.96\00:33:54.86
structured around
the Hebrew sanctuary.
00:33:54.96\00:33:57.13
In the series of the
seven churches, Jesus
00:33:57.57\00:33:59.57
is walking, where?
Among the candlesticks. In the
00:33:59.67\00:34:03.81
series on the
seals, Jesus has moved to,
00:34:03.91\00:34:06.44
where? To the Table
of the Showbread. Now,
00:34:06.54\00:34:09.74
if you want more on
that, you would have to study
00:34:09.84\00:34:11.71
the series that I
did on the seals. There's
00:34:11.81\00:34:13.98
a two-volume set of
study notes on the seals.
00:34:14.08\00:34:16.72
In the series on the
trumpets, where is Jesus
00:34:17.29\00:34:19.39
ministering? We just
read it a few moments
00:34:19.49\00:34:22.52
ago. At the Altar of
Incense! And in Revelation
00:34:22.62\00:34:26.13
11:19, Jesus moves,
where? He moves to where the
00:34:26.23\00:34:31.63
Ark of the Covenant is!
So, you have this sequence
00:34:31.73\00:34:35.84
from... Actually, the
book of Revelation begins
00:34:35.94\00:34:39.94
in chapter 1 with
the sacrifice of Christ-
00:34:40.04\00:34:43.14
with the death of
Christ. He redeemed us through
00:34:43.24\00:34:45.45
His blood, He was
dead and yet He's alive,
00:34:45.55\00:34:48.48
so it begins, actually,
with His work on earth!
00:34:48.62\00:34:50.62
Then you have the candlesticks,
then you have the Table
00:34:50.72\00:34:52.65
of Showbread, then you
have the Altar of Incense,
00:34:52.75\00:34:55.66
then you have the
opening of the most holy place,
00:34:55.79\00:34:57.96
and then you'll
notice in the next paragraph,
00:34:58.06\00:35:00.03
then in chapter 15
verses 5-8, the sanctuary
00:35:00.76\00:35:03.57
administration closes!
The temple's filled with
00:35:03.67\00:35:05.67
smoke. Nobody can
enter, because the intercession
00:35:05.77\00:35:08.24
of Christ has ended.
And then, in Revelation
00:35:08.34\00:35:11.57
16 through 19, you have
a description of the seven
00:35:11.64\00:35:14.68
last plagues! Chapter
20, you have the scapegoat
00:35:14.81\00:35:17.81
ceremony! And chapter
21 and 22, you have the
00:35:17.91\00:35:21.95
new heavens and the
new earth! Does Revelation
00:35:22.05\00:35:24.79
have a sanctuary structure?
It most certainly does!
00:35:24.85\00:35:28.22
It follows the order
of the sanctuary. So,
00:35:28.32\00:35:30.36
if you extract the
trumpets and you put them in the
00:35:30.46\00:35:33.73
future, what happens?
The sanctuary structure
00:35:33.83\00:35:37.57
of the book is interrupted.
So, you have to realize
00:35:37.67\00:35:41.10
that the trumpets fit
within a certain time period,
00:35:41.20\00:35:45.34
which is the period of
the intercession of Christ
00:35:45.44\00:35:48.04
in the sanctuary. Is
this point clear? So,
00:35:48.14\00:35:52.15
extracting the trumpets
from the legitimate context
00:35:52.28\00:35:54.98
and inserting them
into the future destroys the
00:35:55.05\00:35:57.99
beautiful sanctuary symmetry
of the book. And if you want
00:35:58.09\00:36:02.26
more on the
sanctuary symmetry of the book,
00:36:02.36\00:36:04.59
if you have the book God
Cares by C. Mervyn Maxwell,
00:36:04.69\00:36:08.00
my teacher in the seminary,
you'll find a beautiful
00:36:08.10\00:36:11.53
description of
the sanctuary symmetry
00:36:11.63\00:36:14.54
of the book of Revelation.
Now, let's take a look
00:36:14.64\00:36:17.71
at the normative
Seventh-day Adventist
00:36:17.81\00:36:19.81
position on the trumpets. There
are certain non-negotiables
00:36:19.87\00:36:24.71
when it comes to the
Seventh-day Adventist
00:36:24.81\00:36:27.78
concept of the seven
trumpets. After Desmond
00:36:27.92\00:36:31.39
Ford... Have you
ever heard of him? He died
00:36:31.52\00:36:34.36
just a short while
ago. After Desmond Ford
00:36:34.46\00:36:37.56
came up with his novel
ideas on Bible prophecy,
00:36:37.66\00:36:40.70
the General Conference
established a Daniel &
00:36:41.13\00:36:43.87
Revelation study
committee. It's known as DARCOM.
00:36:43.97\00:36:46.74
To look into his arguments,
the result was the publication
00:36:47.27\00:36:51.11
of seven volumes on
various issues relating
00:36:51.21\00:36:55.58
to the sanctuary and
Bible prophecy. By the
00:36:55.64\00:36:58.58
way, I would
recommend that you acquire this
00:36:58.68\00:37:00.72
seven-set series. They're
available from a biblical
00:37:00.82\00:37:03.79
research institute of
the General Conference.
00:37:03.89\00:37:06.05
They are a powerful,
powerful support for the
00:37:06.15\00:37:10.43
Seventh-day
Adventist view of the sanctuary
00:37:10.53\00:37:11.96
and Bible prophecy. I
mean, they answer every
00:37:12.06\00:37:16.87
single objection
that was raised by Desmond
00:37:16.97\00:37:19.37
Ford and is raised
generally by evangelicals.
00:37:19.47\00:37:22.57
Regarding the seven
trumpets-continuing here
00:37:23.07\00:37:25.44
on page
8-regarding the seven trumpets,
00:37:25.54\00:37:29.74
DARCOM gave the following
explanation; this is the
00:37:29.84\00:37:32.98
official explanation
that is given on the trumpets
00:37:33.08\00:37:38.19
by this committee:
"Today, Seventh-day Adventists
00:37:38.29\00:37:42.42
virtually stand
alone as exponents of the
00:37:42.52\00:37:47.06
historicist method,
since non-Catholic groups
00:37:47.16\00:37:50.73
in general, have
abandoned this approach in favor
00:37:50.87\00:37:53.54
of one of the two
methods mentioned above," which
00:37:53.64\00:37:57.01
is Preterism and futurism.
"The Daniel & Revelation
00:37:57.11\00:38:00.34
Committee wishes to
reaffirm to the world
00:38:00.44\00:38:03.45
church the validity of
the historicist approach
00:38:03.55\00:38:07.05
to these two
apocalyptic books. The committee
00:38:07.15\00:38:10.79
sees it as the only
sound method to use." So,
00:38:10.89\00:38:15.12
the Adventist Church
is solidly expounding the
00:38:15.22\00:38:18.66
view of
historicism." It continues. "The
00:38:18.76\00:38:23.63
committee sees it as
the only sound method
00:38:23.73\00:38:26.07
to use. Our pioneers
did not follow cunningly-
00:38:26.17\00:38:29.80
devised fables when
they searched and preached
00:38:29.90\00:38:33.41
the truths of these
prophecies. They have
00:38:33.51\00:38:36.04
passed onto us a
rich heritage." Now, while
00:38:36.14\00:38:40.48
not providing a
definitive interpretation of the
00:38:40.58\00:38:43.52
trumpets, the committee
did establish parameters
00:38:43.59\00:38:46.05
that must be
followed in the study of the
00:38:46.15\00:38:48.59
trumpets in the Seventh-day
Adventist Church." They
00:38:48.72\00:38:51.53
reached three conclusions,
and here they are: "The
00:38:51.59\00:38:54.40
literary structure
divides the book of
00:38:54.50\00:38:59.13
Revelation into two
major sections: a historical
00:38:59.23\00:39:03.54
section that
emphasizes the experience of the
00:39:03.61\00:39:06.51
church and related events
during the Christian era"-
00:39:06.61\00:39:09.68
that would be, the churches,
the seals, and the trumpets-
00:39:09.81\00:39:12.91
"...and an eschatological"-
that means, "end-time"-
00:39:13.42\00:39:16.15
"section that focuses
particularly on end-time
00:39:16.28\00:39:20.16
events and the end of
the world." That would
00:39:20.26\00:39:22.62
be the series beginning
with Revelation chapter 12,
00:39:22.72\00:39:26.23
where you have the
introduction of the
00:39:26.70\00:39:30.33
persecution of the
1,260 years, the dragon being
00:39:30.43\00:39:33.60
enraged with the
woman; chapter 13, the beast,
00:39:33.74\00:39:37.01
his image, and his
mark; Revelation 14, the three
00:39:37.11\00:39:39.87
angels' messages...etc.
Secondly, the series
00:39:39.97\00:39:44.35
of the seals and the
trumpets occur in the historical
00:39:44.45\00:39:47.88
section of Revelation.
Consequently, we should
00:39:48.02\00:39:51.72
seek for the fulfillment,
where? In historical
00:39:51.79\00:39:56.02
time! Not in the
end time, except for the
00:39:56.12\00:39:59.09
very last two or
three trumpets. And finally,
00:39:59.19\00:40:02.53
the prophecies of the
seals and of the trumpets
00:40:02.63\00:40:05.97
have only, what?
One symbolic fulfillment
00:40:06.57\00:40:11.57
in the course of
history. Now, Ellen White warned
00:40:11.64\00:40:16.21
about the dangers
of extracting passages
00:40:16.31\00:40:21.15
of Revelation from
their legitimate historical
00:40:21.28\00:40:23.95
context. She wrote once
to a school teacher by the
00:40:24.09\00:40:29.32
name of John Bale. And
actually, she wrote two
00:40:29.42\00:40:33.26
long testimonies to
him, and I've only included
00:40:33.36\00:40:36.77
just a small portion
of what she wrote to him,
00:40:36.87\00:40:39.87
'cause he was taking
prophecies that applied
00:40:40.00\00:40:42.44
to the past, and he
was applying them to the
00:40:42.54\00:40:44.37
future. He was taking
them out of their legitimate
00:40:44.51\00:40:46.47
historical context.
Ellen White warned that we
00:40:46.64\00:40:49.28
need to study each
section of Revelation within
00:40:49.34\00:40:51.81
the time period when it
was fulfilled. I read from
00:40:51.91\00:40:55.55
Selected Messages,
vol. 2, pg. 102. "There have
00:40:55.65\00:41:00.36
been one and another
who, in studying their
00:41:00.46\00:41:03.26
Bibles, thought they
discovered great light
00:41:03.36\00:41:06.80
and new theories,
but these have not been
00:41:08.00\00:41:11.77
correct. The
Scripture is all true. However,
00:41:11.83\00:41:16.50
by misapplying the
Scripture, men arrive
00:41:16.60\00:41:19.31
at wrong conclusions.
We are engaged in a mighty
00:41:19.41\00:41:23.21
conflict, and it
will become more close and
00:41:23.31\00:41:26.21
determined as we near
the final struggle. We
00:41:26.31\00:41:29.78
have a sleepless adversary."
In other words, he suffers
00:41:29.92\00:41:33.25
from insomnia. "And
he is constantly at work
00:41:33.36\00:41:37.33
upon human minds that
have not had a personal
00:41:37.46\00:41:40.66
experience in the
teachings of the people of God
00:41:40.76\00:41:43.97
for the past 50 years."
Is it important to go back
00:41:44.07\00:41:46.90
to what was believed
originally in the Adventist
00:41:47.00\00:41:50.24
Church? Absolutely.
She continues. "Some
00:41:50.34\00:41:57.25
will take the
truth applicable to their
00:41:57.41\00:41:59.41
time and place it"-where?-
"in the future. Events
00:41:59.48\00:42:04.55
in the train of prophecy
that had their fulfillment
00:42:04.65\00:42:07.12
away in the past
are made"-what?-"future.
00:42:07.19\00:42:10.03
And thus, by these theories, the
faith of some is undermined."
00:42:10.53\00:42:15.46
In another part of
this testimony that Ellen
00:42:16.10\00:42:19.43
White wrote to John
Bale on pages 102 and 103,
00:42:19.50\00:42:24.04
Ellen White wrote,
"From the light that the Lord
00:42:24.54\00:42:27.21
has been pleased to
give me, you are in danger of
00:42:27.28\00:42:30.85
doing the same work:
presenting before others
00:42:30.95\00:42:34.62
truths which have had
their place and done their
00:42:34.68\00:42:39.29
specific work for the
time in the history of
00:42:39.35\00:42:42.16
the faith of the
people of God. You recognize
00:42:42.26\00:42:45.26
these facts in Bible
history as truth, but
00:42:45.36\00:42:48.36
apply them to"-when?-
"apply them to the future.
00:42:48.46\00:42:52.63
They have their force
still" -where?-"in their proper
00:42:52.73\00:42:57.54
place-in the chain
of events that have made
00:42:57.64\00:43:01.64
us, as a people,
what we are today. And as
00:43:01.74\00:43:05.28
such, they are to be
presented to those who
00:43:05.38\00:43:08.38
are in the darkness of
error." Very wise counsel
00:43:08.48\00:43:13.36
from the Spirit of Prophecy.
I'm not extracting things
00:43:13.99\00:43:16.69
that apply to the
future and making them past,
00:43:16.76\00:43:19.39
not taking things
that happened in the past
00:43:19.49\00:43:21.93
and applying them to
the future, like some are
00:43:22.03\00:43:24.77
doing with the
trumpets. The trumpets had their
00:43:24.87\00:43:27.10
past fulfillment. At
least we're now in the
00:43:27.20\00:43:30.74
period of the sixth trumpet.
All of this has been fulfilled!
00:43:30.84\00:43:34.24
Only the seventh trumpet
is future, now. We should
00:43:34.34\00:43:37.41
not take all of the
trumpets and say, "Well, this is
00:43:37.51\00:43:40.38
gonna take place at the
very end before the close
00:43:40.48\00:43:43.18
of probation," because
it's dislocating what we
00:43:43.28\00:43:46.79
find in the train of
prophecy that God has
00:43:46.89\00:43:51.23
given. Now, where
does Ellen White place the
00:43:51.33\00:43:55.76
trumpets in the flow
of time? Does she make
00:43:55.86\00:43:59.93
them future? Did she
believe they were past?
00:44:00.07\00:44:02.90
We have clear evidence
that Ellen White believed
00:44:03.47\00:44:05.97
that the sixth trumpet
was fulfilled beginning
00:44:06.04\00:44:11.05
in 1844, which means
that the first five trumpets
00:44:11.15\00:44:14.42
must have been
fulfilled, when? Well, duh! They
00:44:14.52\00:44:19.39
must have been
fulfilled before 1844, right?
00:44:19.52\00:44:22.52
You don't have to have
the wisdom of King Solomon
00:44:22.62\00:44:24.83
to understand that,
or of Albert Einstein.
00:44:24.93\00:44:29.23
Now, what indications
do we have in the writings
00:44:29.76\00:44:32.03
of Ellen White that
the trumpets have been
00:44:32.13\00:44:34.64
fulfilled to a
great? in the past, with the
00:44:34.74\00:44:39.27
exception of the fact
that we are now in the
00:44:39.37\00:44:41.11
period of the sixth
trumpet, and the seventh
00:44:41.24\00:44:43.95
trumpet is totally future.
Well, the expression, "Time
00:44:44.08\00:44:49.25
will be no longer," is
in Revelation 10 in the
00:44:49.35\00:44:54.19
context of the
sixth trumpet. Now, where
00:44:54.29\00:44:57.53
does Ellen White
place that expression, "Time
00:44:57.63\00:44:59.56
will be no longer?" Does
she present that as being
00:44:59.66\00:45:02.96
past, or future?
Past from our time! Notice
00:45:03.06\00:45:07.54
this statement that we
find in Selected Messages,
00:45:07.60\00:45:10.61
vol. 2, pg. 105.
"The book that was sealed
00:45:10.67\00:45:14.88
was not the book of
Revelation, but that
00:45:15.88\00:45:18.85
portion of the
prophecy of Daniel which related
00:45:18.95\00:45:22.45
to the last days."
This is talking about Daniel
00:45:22.52\00:45:25.45
12 verse 4- close
and seal the book until
00:45:25.55\00:45:28.12
the time of the
end. She continues. "The
00:45:28.22\00:45:30.56
Scripture says, 'But
thou, O Daniel, shut up
00:45:30.66\00:45:33.40
the words and seal
the book, even to the time
00:45:33.50\00:45:35.63
of the end. Many
shall run to and fro, and
00:45:35.73\00:45:37.40
knowledge shall be
increased.' When the
00:45:37.50\00:45:39.77
book was opened, the
proclamation was made,
00:45:39.87\00:45:43.94
'Time shall be no longer.'"
That comes from Revelation
00:45:44.04\00:45:47.24
10, which is in the
context of the sixth trumpet.
00:45:47.34\00:45:51.51
"The book of Daniel
is now unsealed, and the
00:45:52.11\00:45:56.32
Revelation made by
Christ to John is to come to all
00:45:56.45\00:45:59.65
the inhabitants of
the earth by the increase
00:45:59.75\00:46:02.16
of knowledge of
people is to be prepared to
00:46:02.26\00:46:04.26
stand in the latter
days." Now, notice the next
00:46:04.39\00:46:08.20
statement. This is
on pages 107 and 108 of
00:46:08.33\00:46:11.67
Selected Messages, vol.
2. "The message of Revelation
00:46:11.77\00:46:15.37
14, proclaiming that
the hour of God's judgment
00:46:15.47\00:46:18.67
is come, is given in
the time of the end, and the
00:46:18.77\00:46:22.54
angel of Revelation 10
is represented as having
00:46:22.64\00:46:26.11
one foot on the sea
and one foot on the land,
00:46:26.18\00:46:28.38
showing that the message
will be carried to distant
00:46:28.92\00:46:30.92
lands, the ocean will
be crossed, and the islands
00:46:31.02\00:46:33.76
of the sea will hear
the proclamation of the last
00:46:33.86\00:46:36.36
message of warning to
our world, and the angel
00:46:36.46\00:46:40.26
which I saw stand
upon the sea and upon the
00:46:40.33\00:46:43.03
earth, lifted up the"-
she's quoting Revelation
00:46:43.13\00:46:45.73
10, which is in the
context of the sixth
00:46:45.83\00:46:47.80
trumpet, by the way-
"'...and the angel which
00:46:47.87\00:46:50.34
I saw stand upon the
sea and upon the earth
00:46:50.44\00:46:52.14
lifted up his hand
to heaven and swore by
00:46:52.24\00:46:54.61
him that liveth
forever and ever, who created
00:46:54.71\00:46:57.41
heaven and the
things that are therein, and
00:46:57.48\00:46:59.68
the earth and the things
that therein are, and the
00:46:59.78\00:47:02.88
sea and the things
which are therein that there
00:47:02.98\00:47:06.45
should be time no longer.'"
Once again, she's quoting
00:47:06.52\00:47:09.62
Revelation 10, which is
in the context of the sixth
00:47:09.72\00:47:12.89
trumpet. And then,
she tells us when this was
00:47:12.96\00:47:15.10
fulfilled. "This
message announces"-what?-"the
00:47:15.16\00:47:19.23
end of the prophetic
periods. The disappointment
00:47:19.33\00:47:24.11
of those who expected
to see our Lord in 1844
00:47:24.21\00:47:27.48
was indeed bitter. To
those who had so ardently
00:47:28.28\00:47:30.75
looked for His
appearing, it was in the Lord's
00:47:30.85\00:47:32.95
order that this disappointment
should come and that hearts
00:47:33.05\00:47:35.82
should be"-what?-"should
be revealed." So, when
00:47:35.92\00:47:40.22
does Ellen White
place the expression, "Time
00:47:40.32\00:47:42.59
will be no
longer"? What date? 1844.
00:47:42.69\00:47:46.29
So, do we project
the sixth trumpet to the
00:47:46.76\00:47:49.83
future? No! The
sixth trumpet, Ellen White
00:47:49.90\00:47:54.77
explains, is in the
context of Revelation
00:47:54.84\00:47:57.51
10, in the past, in
1844. Notice that the seven
00:47:57.61\00:48:02.54
thunders that are mentioned
in Revelation 10- the seven
00:48:02.64\00:48:05.78
thunders... We don't
have time to talk about
00:48:05.88\00:48:08.92
the seven thunders
now; we will talk about them
00:48:09.02\00:48:11.22
a little bit later in
this class. Ellen White speaks
00:48:11.32\00:48:14.69
about the seven thunders,
which are also in Revelation
00:48:14.79\00:48:17.53
10 in the context of the
sixth trumpet. The special
00:48:17.63\00:48:21.66
light given to John,
which was expressed in the
00:48:21.73\00:48:23.77
seven thunders, was
a delineation of events
00:48:23.90\00:48:26.30
which would transpire
under the first and second
00:48:27.04\00:48:29.24
angels' messages.
It was not best for the
00:48:29.34\00:48:32.67
people to know these things,
for their faith must necessarily
00:48:32.77\00:48:35.51
be tested. In the
order of God, most wonderful
00:48:35.58\00:48:39.71
and advanced truths
would be proclaimed. The first
00:48:39.81\00:48:42.88
and second angels'
messages were to be proclaimed
00:48:42.98\00:48:45.15
but no further light
was to be revealed before
00:48:45.25\00:48:48.39
these messages had
done their specific work.
00:48:48.49\00:48:50.73
This is represented
by the angel's standing
00:48:51.13\00:48:53.16
with one foot on the
sea, proclaiming with the most
00:48:53.26\00:48:55.80
solemn oath that
time should be no longer.
00:48:55.90\00:48:58.47
She's referring to Revelation-
many different phrases
00:48:58.57\00:49:01.84
that are in Revelation
10- sixth trumpet. She ends
00:49:01.94\00:49:04.84
the statement by
saying this: "This time, which
00:49:04.91\00:49:08.88
the angel declares
with a solemn oath"-that is,
00:49:08.98\00:49:11.85
time will be no
longer- "is not the end of this
00:49:11.91\00:49:14.75
world's history.
Neither of probationary time,
00:49:14.82\00:49:18.35
but of prophetic
time, which should precede
00:49:18.42\00:49:21.86
the Advent of our
Lord." That is, the people will
00:49:21.96\00:49:25.19
not have another message
upon definite time. After
00:49:25.26\00:49:29.10
this period of time,
reaching from 1842 to 1844,
00:49:29.16\00:49:34.74
there can be no definite
tracing of the prophetic
00:49:34.80\00:49:38.11
time. Is that clear?
So, Revelation 10 is in
00:49:38.17\00:49:44.05
the context of the
sixth trumpet. So, when is the
00:49:44.15\00:49:46.31
sixth trumpet beginning
its fulfillment? It's beginning
00:49:46.41\00:49:49.82
its fulfillment in
1844. When do you hear the
00:49:49.88\00:49:54.66
seven thunders? We'll
find that the seven thunders
00:49:54.72\00:49:56.46
are events that took
place between 1842 and 1844!
00:49:56.52\00:50:01.46
So, clearly, the
sixth trumpet began in the
00:50:01.93\00:50:05.03
past, and it continues as
we will see in the present.
00:50:05.13\00:50:08.70
You can't extract this
and say, "No, it's right
00:50:08.77\00:50:10.91
before the close of probation
at the end of time." Or, "It's
00:50:11.01\00:50:13.34
after the close of probation!"
It would make absolutely
00:50:13.48\00:50:16.28
no sense. Also, you
remember the bittersweet book in
00:50:16.38\00:50:21.12
Revelation 10, which is in the
context of the sixth trumpet?
00:50:21.22\00:50:24.05
It was sweet in the mouth
and bitter in the stomach?
00:50:24.12\00:50:27.39
To when does Ellen White
apply that, which is found
00:50:27.49\00:50:29.46
in Revelation 10, in the
context of the sixth trumpet?
00:50:29.56\00:50:32.39
Notice the next statement
that we find at the bottom
00:50:32.99\00:50:36.36
of page 11. This is
Life Sketches pg. 189.
00:50:36.46\00:50:41.84
"The waiting people of
God approach the hour when
00:50:41.97\00:50:46.01
they fondly hoped
their joys would be complete
00:50:46.07\00:50:49.41
in the coming of the
Saviour." That's 1844.
00:50:49.48\00:50:53.25
"However, the time
again passed unmarked by the
00:50:53.35\00:50:56.35
Advent of Jesus. Mortality
still clung to us. The effects
00:50:56.48\00:51:00.76
of the curse were all
around us. It was hard
00:51:00.86\00:51:03.76
to take up the
vexing cares of life that we
00:51:03.83\00:51:06.66
thought had been laid
down forever." A bitter what?
00:51:06.80\00:51:10.47
"A bitter disappointment
fell upon the little flock whose
00:51:11.80\00:51:15.00
faith had been so
strong and whose hope had been
00:51:15.10\00:51:18.04
so high, but we were
surprised that we felt
00:51:18.14\00:51:20.84
so free in the Lord and
were so strongly sustained
00:51:20.94\00:51:23.98
by His strength and grace." When
was the bitter disappointment?
00:51:24.08\00:51:27.22
When did that take
place? Is that some event that's
00:51:27.32\00:51:29.78
gonna take place right
before the close of probation
00:51:29.88\00:51:32.12
or after the close
of probation? Absolutely
00:51:32.19\00:51:35.32
not! It occurs when the
sixth trumpet is beginning,
00:51:35.39\00:51:39.49
'cause chapter 10 is in the
context of the sixth trumpet!
00:51:39.59\00:51:42.76
Are you following
me? Now, Ellen White also
00:51:43.23\00:51:46.70
plays- says the
1,260 days and 42 months of
00:51:46.77\00:51:50.84
Revelation 11, which
is also in the context
00:51:50.94\00:51:54.91
of the sixth trumpet,
she places those events
00:51:54.98\00:51:58.45
in the context of the
sixth trumpet. Ellen White
00:51:58.55\00:52:02.98
understood that the
papacy fulfilled the 1,260 days
00:52:03.08\00:52:06.62
and the 42 months of Revelation
11, which is an interlude in
00:52:06.72\00:52:10.83
the sixth trumpet. She
believed that these events,
00:52:10.93\00:52:15.80
the 1,260 days and the
42 months, occurred from
00:52:15.93\00:52:19.70
538 to 1798, and that
the second part of Revelation
00:52:19.80\00:52:26.27
11 was fulfilled in
the French Revolution, and
00:52:26.37\00:52:30.85
Revelation 11 is in the
context of the sixth trumpet!
00:52:30.95\00:52:34.02
Marvin Moore and
others believed that we must
00:52:35.08\00:52:37.29
reapply the symbolic
42 months and 1,260 days
00:52:37.35\00:52:40.82
and reinterpret them as
literal future time. Ellen
00:52:40.89\00:52:45.79
White, however, explicitly
wrote that the 42 months
00:52:45.89\00:52:49.43
covered the same
period as the 1,260 days, and
00:52:49.53\00:52:53.34
that both periods
apply to the period of papal
00:52:53.44\00:52:56.54
supremacy during the
Dark Ages. She also did
00:52:56.60\00:53:00.48
a verse-by-verse analysis of
Revelation 11 and interpreted
00:53:00.58\00:53:04.61
it from a historicist
perspective as applying
00:53:04.68\00:53:07.28
to the French Revolution.
Are you with me or not?
00:53:07.38\00:53:10.19
Past events. Let's read
this particular statement
00:53:10.69\00:53:14.96
here. This is found in
the book Great Controversy,
00:53:15.06\00:53:18.76
pg. 439. The periods
here mentioned 42 months
00:53:18.86\00:53:23.26
and a 1,203
score? days are the same,
00:53:23.37\00:53:27.17
"...alike representing
the time in which the
00:53:27.90\00:53:30.11
church of Christ
was to suffer oppression
00:53:30.21\00:53:32.14
from Rome. The 1,260
years of papal supremacy
00:53:32.24\00:53:35.98
began in 538 and would
therefore terminate in 1798."
00:53:36.08\00:53:41.18
So, Revelation chapter
11, when it mentions the 1,260
00:53:41.28\00:53:44.39
days and 42 months, is
that describing past events?
00:53:44.49\00:53:48.56
Yes! She continues. At
that time, a French army
00:53:49.66\00:53:52.93
entered Rome and made
the pope a prisoner, and
00:53:53.03\00:53:55.66
he died in exile. Though
a new pope was soon after
00:53:55.76\00:53:58.83
already elected, the
papal hierarchy has never since
00:53:58.93\00:54:01.20
been able to wield
the power which it before
00:54:01.30\00:54:05.14
possessed. Then
she continues even more
00:54:05.27\00:54:07.94
explicitly. "Power was given
unto him to continue 42 months,"
00:54:08.04\00:54:11.38
and says the prophet,
"'I saw one of his heads
00:54:11.95\00:54:14.48
as it were wounded to
death.'" Again, she's quoting
00:54:14.58\00:54:18.05
Scripture. "'And he
that leadeth into captivity
00:54:18.15\00:54:20.06
shall go into captivity.
He that killeth with the
00:54:20.19\00:54:22.76
sword must be killed
with the sword.' The 42
00:54:22.86\00:54:25.73
months are the same as
the time times and dividing
00:54:25.83\00:54:29.60
of time three years
and a half, or 1,260 days
00:54:29.70\00:54:33.13
in Daniel 7"-clear?-
"the time during which
00:54:33.23\00:54:38.31
the papal power was
to oppress God's people.
00:54:38.41\00:54:40.54
This period has
stated in preceding chapters
00:54:40.68\00:54:42.81
began with the
supremacy of the papacy A.D. 538
00:54:42.91\00:54:46.28
and terminated in
1798. At that time, the pope
00:54:46.38\00:54:51.59
was made captive by
the French army, the papal
00:54:51.65\00:54:54.02
power received its
deadly wound, and the prediction
00:54:54.16\00:54:56.99
was fulfilled. 'He
that leadeth into captivity
00:54:57.06\00:54:59.26
shall go into captivity.'"
So, Ellen White places
00:54:59.36\00:55:03.06
Revelation 10 and 11,
which is in the context
00:55:03.16\00:55:05.93
of the sixth trumpet,
as beginning in the past!
00:55:06.00\00:55:09.77
Events in 1844. And, also,
events that occurred during
00:55:10.47\00:55:14.71
the 1,260 years of
papal supremacy, as well as
00:55:14.78\00:55:17.98
the French Revolution.
Now, finally, Ellen White
00:55:18.08\00:55:22.15
applies the measuring
of the temple, which is
00:55:22.25\00:55:23.82
also Revelation chapter-
really, it should be part
00:55:23.92\00:55:27.52
of Revelation chapter
10, but it's in Revelation
00:55:27.62\00:55:30.33
chapter 11 verse 1.
The measuring of the temple
00:55:30.43\00:55:33.23
of Revelation 11 verse
1, which is in the context
00:55:33.36\00:55:36.06
of the sixth trumpet,
Ellen White applies that
00:55:36.20\00:55:38.53
to what began in 1844.
Once again, she's applying
00:55:38.63\00:55:42.24
the sixth trumpet to
the past. I read this very
00:55:42.34\00:55:44.91
quickly. "The grand
judgment is taking place
00:55:45.01\00:55:47.68
and has been going on
for some time. Now, the
00:55:47.74\00:55:51.25
Lord says measure the
temple and the worshipers
00:55:51.35\00:55:53.72
thereof. Remember when
you are walking the streets
00:55:53.78\00:55:57.05
about your business,
God is measuring you.
00:55:57.09\00:55:59.32
When you are
attending your household duties,
00:55:59.65\00:56:01.66
when you engage in
conversation, God is
00:56:01.72\00:56:04.29
measuring you." In
other words, He's judging you.
00:56:04.33\00:56:06.46
"Remember that your
words and actions are being
00:56:06.93\00:56:09.10
daguerreotyped"-that's
an old English word for
00:56:09.16\00:56:12.53
"photographed"-"in
the books of heaven as the
00:56:12.60\00:56:15.30
artist on the
polished plate reproduces the
00:56:15.37\00:56:19.11
face. Here is the work
going on, measuring the
00:56:19.14\00:56:24.25
temple and its worshipers
to see who will stand in
00:56:24.28\00:56:27.65
the last day. Those who
stand fast shall have an
00:56:27.75\00:56:31.45
abundant entrance into
the kingdom of our Lord
00:56:31.55\00:56:33.59
and Savior Jesus
Christ. When we are doing our
00:56:33.69\00:56:36.26
work, remember. There
is one that is watching
00:56:36.36\00:56:38.99
the spirit in which
we are doing it. Shall we
00:56:39.09\00:56:42.70
not bring the Saviour
into our everyday lives,
00:56:42.80\00:56:45.03
into our secular
work and domestic duties?
00:56:45.13\00:56:47.80
Then, in the name of
God, we want to leave behind
00:56:47.90\00:56:50.94
everything that is not
necessary, all gossiping
00:56:51.04\00:56:53.88
or unprofitable
visiting, and present ourselves
00:56:53.98\00:56:57.71
as servants of the
living God." So, when it says,
00:56:57.81\00:57:02.48
"measure the temple",
is that something that's
00:57:02.62\00:57:04.12
gonna happen in the future,
or is that something that
00:57:04.22\00:57:06.32
began in 1844 and continues
to this day? We are still
00:57:06.42\00:57:11.39
in the period of the
sixth trumpet, in other
00:57:11.46\00:57:13.53
words. Well, we are
going to stop our first session
00:57:13.63\00:57:18.23
here. And when we get
together for our second
00:57:18.30\00:57:23.41
session, we are going
to finish this chapter on
00:57:23.54\00:57:26.74
introductory matters
relating to the trumpets.
00:57:26.84\00:57:29.61
We'll begin at the bottom
of page 13, "The Relationship
00:57:29.71\00:57:33.78
Between the Seals and
the Trumpets". So, we're
00:57:33.88\00:57:39.45
gonna go back and take
a look at the seals, and
00:57:39.55\00:57:41.69
we're going to see how
important that is as it
00:57:41.79\00:57:45.76
relates to the seven
trumpets. So, don't miss
00:57:45.89\00:57:48.53
the next exciting episode.
00:57:48.63\00:57:50.53
[intense orchestral music]
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