I don't understand.
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Why did this
have to happen to me?
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I feel like I just
can't make sense of things.
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I need answers.
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Where is God?
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You know, it's a
really cool truth
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that throughout history,
throughout biblical history,
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God has had specific people
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that he's given
a specific message
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for a specific time.
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Welcome to Raw
Questions Relevant Answers.
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This is a
program in which myself
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and my two friends here,
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Michelle
Doucoumes and Dee Casper,
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are endeavoring to
give some relevant questions
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to some very raw...
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Relevant answers rather
to some very raw questions
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that we have.
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And today, what we're
going to be talking about
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is the question of Adventism
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and its place in history,
etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
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So basically, we
believe that God has given
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a special message to our
church for a specific time,
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and that's what we're
going to deal with today.
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And our first
question comes from a young man
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aged 21 in Tennessee,
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and his question is,
"Why does Adventism matter?"
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I think that why
Adventism matters
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is that as you've mentioned,
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God has had an intention
of communicating a message
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and a truth to the
world, who He truly is,
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what His ideal is for a
man, and what God intends
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His people to know
and to share to ensure
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that Christ can come again.
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And from His early
church until what we see now,
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this is what we
believe that God is intending
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in this particular movement,
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that there is a message given...
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First of all, let's
say that the movement
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has prophetic origins,
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that God, throughout the Bible,
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I believe, has this implication
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that there is
this movement coming.
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So we see it in Daniel 8:14
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that there's a
message of a judgment,
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an investigative judgment
that's to be given to the world
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and a soon coming Savior
that's going to be shared about
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in Daniel as well.
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We see this in Revelation 10
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and we also see
it in Revelation 12,
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and the message
that this movement
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is giving in Revelation 14,
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what we call the
three angels' messages,
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preparing the world
for a soon coming Savior
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by preaching the
everlasting gospel,
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the beauty of
the character of God
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that we're living in the context
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of a current tense judgment
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that perceives
the second advent.
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There is a system
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that's causing
great harm on earth
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regarding the truths
that they're sharing,
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there are misrepresentations
of who God actually is
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and what's to come.
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And lastly, there's a way
that God wants to be worshiped
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and He wants His
people to be ready,
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so God kind of
has a blueprint here,
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Revelation 14, and
what that message is.
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And Revelation 18 is
something very similar.
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The character of God
needs to be known to the world
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in contrast with a false picture
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the character
of God being shared
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by a counterfeit system.
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Revelation 12:17,
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the Bible looks
down prophetically
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till the last days
of earth's history,
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and it says that
"The Dragon or Satan
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was enraged with the woman..."
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Which if you study
talks about the church
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being analogized to woman,
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"And went to
make war with the rest
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or the remnant of her offspring
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who keep the commandments of God
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and have the
testimony of Jesus."
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And it's that idea
again that God has people
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and Satan isn't
happy about that.
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Why does Adventism
matter? I don't know.
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Maybe we should ask
Satan, it must matter somehow
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because obviously,
the devil is not happy
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with God's church.
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Now does this
mean that Adventists
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are the only ones
that are God's people
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or there is no one else?
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In John 10, Jesus
talks about the fact
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that he has sheep in
many different folds.
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Yes.
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So it's not an
exclusive thing in that regard.
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At the same time,
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God has always
used a special people
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for a certain
purpose throughout history.
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You know, there were the Jews,
before that, there was Abraham
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and the patriarchs
going down through history
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after the life of Christ,
there were the disciples,
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there are people
like the Waldensians
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who kept the Bible alive
during a very corrupt period
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of Christian
history, the dark ages,
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there were the reformers
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that we've talked
about in some episodes
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like Wycliffe and Hus
and Jerome and Martin Luther,
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God has always been
working with the people
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just for a certain purpose.
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Not because they were better
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but because God
needed them at that time.
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Well, and one
point in this is that,
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you know, the Jews were the
special people of God, right?
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Right.
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But God never intended them
to be a secluded little people
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away from everybody else
that would never interact
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and that they were
the only ones saved
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and that the
Gentiles weren't saved,
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that was what
the perverted God's
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instruction to them into,
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but God never intended that,
and I think it's the same way.
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You know, the other thing too
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that I want to
speak to this question,
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you know, I was
raised in the church,
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you know, I'd been, most
of my life, in the church,
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I spent some time away
from it, but in all this,
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it's easy as an
Adventist young person to,
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I guess, not really
understand the real importance
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of the message
that God has given us,
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you know.
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I know, for me
sometimes, it's easy to just,
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you know, tune out of
it, think it's just normal.
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But the beauty in the power
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of the message that
God has given us is that
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it's specifically to
prepare us for Christ's coming.
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You know, of all generations,
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God has specifically
given to this generation
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a message that He's coming soon.
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Biblically speaking,
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we're living in the
investigative judgment,
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the thing that's
happening immediately
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before Christ's second coming.
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And that's powerful.
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I mean, Abraham,
Isaac Jacob, Adam and Eve
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all looked
forward to the day that,
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you know, we have
the opportunity of seeing
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of Jesus' second coming.
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So why does Adventism matter?
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It matters because
Adventists, the advent of Christ
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is specifically a movement
all about preparing the people
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for the second coming of Christ.
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And what's the
purpose of the second coming?
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It's not a "I'm coming,
and you better get it right."
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The whole purpose
of the second coming
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is a wedding.
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Yup.
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The whole reason why
Jesus is coming a second time
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is because of what
He did the first time.
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He came and bore the
sin of the world and died,
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placing a value on
you that you cannot deny,
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that He values you
beyond His own existence
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if that's what it takes.
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And the reason He's
coming a second time
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is to redeem what He's paid for.
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If you paid $1,000
for a fancy television
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at a store,
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you're going to come
back and pick that thing up.
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You don't pay that
high a price for something
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and not desire to be with it.
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And Jesus even
implies this in John 14,
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when He is using the
second coming language,
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He says, "I'm leaving."
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He says, "Let not
your heart be troubled.
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You believe in God,
believe also in Me."
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And He says, "In
My Father's house
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are many mansions.
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If this were not so,
I would have told you.
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But I'm going to
prepare a place for you.
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And if I go and
prepare a place for you,
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I will come again
and receive you to Myself
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so that where I am
there you may be also."
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So as Seventh-day Adventists,
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one of our
message to the world is
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there's a God in heaven
who longs to commune with you.
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Yeah.
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The reason why
Jesus is coming back
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is not to catch
people off guard,
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it's to bring them home.
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Right.
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And the message in
the investigative judgment
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is basically trying
to prepare our people
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to be ready for
the second coming,
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not to scare
people away from God,
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the judgment's
actually good news.
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Yeah.
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God is so
desperate to be understood
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that He's making it clear
to the all-looking universe
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that He's investigating
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before he
renders a final judgment.
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And that final
judgment, at the end of time,
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is God literally recognizing
and honoring the decisions
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that you made and that I made.
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Yeah.
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And I have one
quick thing to that too.
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We're preparing
for Jesus to come,
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we want Jesus to come,
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but sometimes I think,
as Adventist young people,
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we still think, "Well,
don't lots of churches believe
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that Jesus is going to come?"
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And that's true,
and God needs all of us
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to work together
for that purpose.
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But it's also the case
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that God wants to
be seen for who He is,
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and there's been
a lot of confusion
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about God through the ages.
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It's true.
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I mean, not that
many centuries ago,
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they believed that you
could pay for remission of sins.
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Yeah.
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And all sorts of crazy things
where God has been working,
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and I believe
through the advent movement,
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to help people see who God is.
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It's not just
scattered doctrines
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being right or wrong.
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Right.
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But how that
system goes together
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to paint a God who
cares, who loves, and who comes.
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Well, even on that note, I
don't want a God that roasts
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and toasts
people for all eternity.
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Right. I don't want a...
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How can I love a God
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that is going
to sit up in heaven
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in His high and holy
state while, down on earth,
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throughout
ceaseless ages of eternity,
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for the sins of
a small lifetime,
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He's going to roast and
toast them for all eternity?
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And it's not a
biblical doctrine.
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No, it's not, and
that's the beauty of Adventism
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is that as a movement,
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it has a
harmonious system of doctrine
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that puts the character of God
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in its true sense,
like you were saying,
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and it shows the
beauty of biblical doctrine.
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Yes.
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I think that this is the reason
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the Seventh-day
Adventist church exists.
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Yeah.
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To vindicate the
beautiful picture
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of the character of God
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and to prepare
our people to be ready
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for the second coming of Jesus,
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that's the whole
point of all the things
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that we believe.
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It's not isolated, you know,
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don't have anything
to do with each other,
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every single one of
the things that we believe
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as a
Seventh-day Adventist church
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are individual
components of the big picture,
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the character of God.
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I kind of refer
to it like those...
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You ever had to do
paint by numbers as a kid?
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Yup.
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So we believe there's
about 28 colors we need to use
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to paint the most beautiful
picture of Jesus imaginable,
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and that's what we
believe what we believe
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and what our intention is
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that Christ is
the central pillar
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to everything we
ever have believed
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and want to
believe as a movement.
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And that we want Him to
be the grand central truth.
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Coming from
outside of Adventism,
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both of you were
raised within the movement,
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from coming
outside of Adventism,
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what brought me
in was recognizing
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that this picture of
God makes sense to me.
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Yeah.
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Now I grew up in a
cultural Baptist sense,
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but I wasn't really
rooted in any doctrine.
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But I remember
whenever I would hear
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what was being shared,
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I would look into my
Bible and I'd recognize,
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"I've never heard that before,
but that's what the text says."
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"And I've never
heard that before,
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but that's what the text says."
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And it began to be clear
to me that the things of God
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do not always harmonize
with the things of men,
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in fact, a majority
of the time, they don't.
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Yeah.
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But it does harmonize
with logic, with reason,
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and with the
longings of the human heart.
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Yeah.
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And the picture of God
that Adventism communicated
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the more that I learned
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resonated with the love
for God I had in my heart.
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I could find a system of belief
and doctrine that resonated
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with the gorgeous picture of God
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that saved my soul
in the first place,
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and I realized not
only can I believe that,
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I want to believe that.
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And if I had to
be in a situation
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to talk to someone
else about what I believed,
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I could do it in a way
that I wasn't ashamed, right?
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Like I don't have to
feel like, "Man, I really hope
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someone doesn't ask me
about this particular component
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of what my church believes."
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Like I'm actually okay
with what my church believes,
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and that's why I'm here,
and I think it's been a gift.
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So actually,
that kind of segues us
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into our next
question which comes from...
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I have to find it
here on the page. Oh, man.
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Okay, this question is,
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"How can we learn to
lovingly take a stand
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for Biblical truth in a society
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where the concept of
truth has become so relative?"
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And I just want
to say, first off,
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it's really true that
our society has become
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so relative in its thinking
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that we place all
things in the realm of opinion
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and then judge all opinions
as equal to one another.
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But I just want to first
say, there is truth, there is...
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It is so, can I say,
relaxing and restful to the soul
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to know that there's truth
and that we can ascertain it?
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Yes. Right?
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John 14:6, Jesus says,
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"I am the way, the
truth, and the life."
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Not just a truth or one
of many truths but the truth.
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And that's huge,
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and in the context of Adventism,
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it doesn't mean
that we're saying
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that only
Adventists will be saved
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or anything like
that, but we are saying
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that there's only
one way to salvation,
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and that's Jesus
Christ, that's what He said,
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and knowing that
gives something to stand on
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in a very
relative and shaky world
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where everything is
shifting and changing.
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Yeah.
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And I think one of the reasons
why relativism sounds appealing
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is because
accountability is something
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we're not a fan of,
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and two, in our attempts
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to meet a standard
that was given to us
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while failing, it's better
to just not have a standard.
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Yeah.
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And there are many
people even in our own movement
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who we realize
that God expects a lot,
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we believe the Ten Commandments
are relevant and necessary,
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but if we haven't done a
good job of communicating,
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that the power of
God is available to us
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through the Holy
Spirit to keep the law,
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then it just seems hopeless
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and relativism
sounds pretty exciting to me
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because I don't have to
worry about accountability
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'cause I tried
to be right with God
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and I failed on my own.
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Not knowing that
the Holy Spirit's power
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was an alternative.
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Where I could actually
be getting the very things
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that God asks of me,
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God is willing to
provide power to walk in.
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Yeah.
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You know, another
point with that too is...
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I'm blanking on what
book I've read this in,
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but it was a statement that said
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the leading cause of
skepticism in the world
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is the love of sin.
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We shy away from the
truth because we love sin.
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So the question is
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how do we share
the message of truth
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in a culture that kind of
rejects the idea of truth?
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I think the biggest
thing is to give it in a way...
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show it in its true beauty.
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You know, go to people
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and win their
hearts to the love of God,
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and when
somebody's heart loves God,
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they will want
to prove the truth,
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but if all they see is
a vengeful God, maybe not.
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Well, unfortunately,
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this is all the
time we have left.
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But I just want to
thank you for tuning in.
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