I don't understand,
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why did this
have to happen to me?
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I feel like I just
can't make sense of things.
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I need answers.
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Where is God?
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Hello and
welcome to Raw Questions,
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Relevant Answers.
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In this program,
we take the questions
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that you have sent in
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and we try to
look at these answers
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from a biblical perspective.
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My name is Michelle Doucoumes,
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and I'm joined by my co-host
Dee Casper and Mark Paden.
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Today, we have some
pretty heavy questions
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but they are real questions.
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This is the thing...
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These are the
things you have asked,
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and sent in to us,
and it's specifically
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about church issues
today and how does the church
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deal with some
of the major things
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that are going
on and major issues.
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This first one comes from
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someone from the
state of Illinois,
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a 26-year-old female
is asking a big question,
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"How should the church handle
involvement by homosexuals
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and LGBTQI+?"
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I think that the first
thing that we acknowledge
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as a
Seventh-day Adventist Church
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that God's love for humanity
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is indeed that His
love for all of humanity.
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It is not dependent upon
what one does or doesn't do,
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that His love is unending,
He's pursuing every soul
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and places a high
value on every soul.
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So I just want to make sure
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that's affirmed
first and foremost.
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I think the main question here
is the one about involvement.
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In a way that we would deal
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with any other form
of leadership, right,
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their expectations of leadership
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in the
Seventh-day Adventist Church
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or as there is with any church
that their lifestyle should be
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in harmony with what we
believe are biblical teachings.
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That can go for alcoholism,
that can go for spouse abuse,
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that can go for
any other situation.
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This lifestyle is no
different in that sense
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that we have taken
the position as a church
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that for to serve
in leadership roles,
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again, it's no different.
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We can't really
in good conscience
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have that take place.
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But that does
not exclude someone
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from attending a
Seventh-day Adventist Church,
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from having fellowship
with Seventh-day Adventists.
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That's not an issue,
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and never has been in
that sense and shouldn't be.
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You know, to the other thing
that I would say to that is,
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you know, as a
people, we have made the Bible
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the rule of faith
in practice, you know,
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that's why we
worship on the seventh day
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because the Bible says that.
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That's why we live in accordance
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with all the other
principles of the Bible.
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And so,
especially, in leadership
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to fulfill those
leadership positions,
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we have selected people
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who exemplify
biblical principles
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in all aspects of life.
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In the New Testament,
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there are lists of
characteristic traits
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that leaders need to have.
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They need to not
be sleeping around
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with a bunch of other women.
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They need to, you know,
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have good family, good families,
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and just all these
other characteristics
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that make them good
people who obey the Word of God.
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And so because of
that, it just, you know,
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it puts certain
limitations on who can serve
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in leadership roles.
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And I think the difference
that we talked about before
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backstage was that someone
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who is actively
practicing a lifestyle
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and someone who wrestles
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with different forms
of attraction internally,
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those are two
different scenarios,
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those are two
different situations.
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In the same way
that maybe someone was
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a former alcoholic
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and they're still
tempted to want alcohol
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but they don't
partake of alcohol.
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That's a whole
another scenario altogether.
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I just want to make sure
that's clear as well that
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we're talking about
actively practicing individuals
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in a particular lifestyle.
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Big, big difference.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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You know, these are things that
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people need to
individually study out.
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Yeah.
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As far...
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There's a lot going
on in our world today
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regarding this topic
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and in the church with
the biblical perspective,
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we have to grapple
with these things too
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and we're not always
going to do it correctly.
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Right. And that's the sad part.
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And sometimes we as a church
have made people feel less than
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or like this
lifestyle separated them
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from being as
good as other people,
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and that's not the intent,
and if you've been there,
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you have friends
that have been there,
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then my prayer is that
you'll accept an apology
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for how we as a church
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sometimes have
not treated things
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the way that we should have.
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Right.
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I have a friend once
who was, at that time,
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practicing homosexual,
and told the pastor, and said,
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"Hey, I just want you
to know this about me."
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And the pastor
said, "You know what,
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just go have a seat
with the other sinners."
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And there's
something to that I feel,
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the fact that we are all
sinners, in need of grace,
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no matter what
we're dealing with,
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no matter what our
views are on different things,
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we all need Jesus.
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And while the church
has to deal with leadership
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and think about that,
that we should be a place
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that is safe for anyone
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to be able to
come and feel welcome.
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One hundred percent. Absolutely.
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We have another
question, another big one.
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This is from a
25-year-old female
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here in the United States,
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and it says, "There seems
to be too much separation,
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both racially and spiritually
in church leadership,
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and not much cooperation.
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Why does there have
to be so much separation,
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when we're supposed
to be working together
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to spread the word?
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And just to
preface this, she is right.
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There have been
separations in our church.
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We as humans tend to separate
into different camps over
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who knows what issues.
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And even racially, going
way back to the Civil War era,
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the church had to struggle
with how to deal with a country
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that was very
separated and segregated.
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And some of
those things come down
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and have their
effects even to today.
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Yeah.
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So how do we deal with this?
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Well, I think
that the first thing is
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we as a
Seventh-day Adventist Church
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have always had a drive
and ambition for mission
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and regardless of what situation
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one may find themselves
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in regarding the layout
corporately of the church
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in a general region,
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mission is still
our responsibility
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and we don't have to
stop that while working
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with the other situation
to find a reasonable solution.
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So I don't think
that that's a non issue
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in that sense in my
eyes, in the sense that yes,
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we should focus on
mission, of course,
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we affirm that
and we are working
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on focusing on mission.
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But while we work
through other difficult issues,
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that can still be going on.
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I just wanted to start
with that, but go ahead.
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Sure.
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You know, here's
another thing too.
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As human beings,
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we have problems
with differences.
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Yes.
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And we make differences
sometimes on dumb things
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and sometimes on
important things.
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And if you even look
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at the disciples
all through the gospels,
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I mean they're constantly
bickering back and forth
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who's the greatest,
"I'm better than you,
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you're better than
me," all this stuff, right?
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They were from
different classes,
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different political
ideologies within their times.
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And so they had
those differences.
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But, you know,
the beautiful thing
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of the gospels is
the Book of Acts 1,
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you know, where
all of these disciples,
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they came
together and they prayed.
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Wow.
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I don't want to miss
the significance of that,
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they came
together and they prayed.
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Confessed their differences
and resolved their differences.
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Yes. Yes.
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They didn't just get together
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and bicker with one
another about their differences,
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they prayed and sought
the Holy Spirit to help them.
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And I want to submit that
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until we come
together to do that,
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we're going to be
dealing with these differences.
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Yes.
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And it's only going to
take a supernatural occurrence
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and divine wisdom to know
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how to work
through this situation
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that's regionally unique
to the North American division
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as far as two
different conferences
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on how do we make
these conferences merge
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while at the same time
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being a globally
diverse movement.
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It's this unique
situation to know
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how to kind of work
through in that sense.
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It is not that we have...
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We are very diverse movement
and we have diverse leadership
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even in our global world church,
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but we also have an
elephant in the room
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that we're
working on what do we do,
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and I think that we need
to be praying for leadership
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in the
Seventh-day Adventist Church
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because it's not
an easy situation.
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No.
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There is no easy,
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flip this switch and it's fixed,
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it's not like that at all,
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and we need
divine wisdom from heaven
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to know how to go forward
about that and it's true.
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I like how you
guys bring that out,
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it's not as much just
one issue or the other issue,
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it's that we have a
lot in human natures
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that get in the way without
the Holy Spirit subduing us.
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Yes.
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And there nasty
racism happens in the church,
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it shouldn't happen.
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Yes.
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Nasty hypocrisy and
backbiting happen in the church
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and it shouldn't happen.
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But what do we do about it?
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And I want to...
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This is another question,
it's related to the same thing,
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a female, age 28 in
Washington is asking,
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"How do we seek
unity in our diversity?"
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And maybe that's a huge
thing to talk about some more,
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knowing that we have
some problems, what do we do?
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I think that is the issue.
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In these two first questions
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is this principle
of unity in diversity,
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do you want to go to that first?
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Yeah, I just wanted
to mention one thing
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to define our terms first.
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You know, there's
two kinds of diversity.
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There's diversity
in which, you know...
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There's diversity
on little things that,
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you know, I can
like the color green,
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you might like
the color blue, right?
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Neither one is better than
the other, it's just diverse.
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There's other things
where it's, you know,
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biblical truth.
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When biblical truth is involved,
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then diversity takes
on a different meaning.
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But when we're
talking about race relations
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or different things like this,
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diversity is
something very beautiful.
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So in this thing that
we're talking about now,
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unity in diversity,
how can we find unity
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within our
diversity in that sense.
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I think one of the things
that has fueled this problem
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in both of the first two
questions more than anything
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is the media
narrative that we're absorbing
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as Christians
and it's unfortunate.
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Because many of us
are absorbing a narrative
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from the world,
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not coming from a
Seventh-day Adventist worldview
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or just a Christian worldview,
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and we're
consuming far too much media
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from the left or the right,
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and that is causing us to
adopt positions emotionally,
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that there is a form
of dissonance many times
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because neither one of
these camps politically
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are fully
endorsing a biblical position
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in all the ways that they ought.
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And so we end up
finding ourselves bickering back
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and forth based
upon a news narrative,
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or something we're
reading on social media,
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or the current hot topics.
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Not based upon what
the Word of God says
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and it's
certainly not being done
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in the Spirit
of the Word of God.
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And this is a
thing that's discouraging
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to a lot of our young
people is they see this vitriol
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from people in the same movement
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who are claiming to
be on the same team,
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who feel that, I
can't talk to them,
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we don't agree with them,
we don't read their articles,
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and we've missed a blessing
because we are all Christians,
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we're seeking to
advance the mission,
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as our second question asked,
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and if that's actually the case,
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we should be
finding as many ways
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to work together as possible,
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not to marginalize
and separate as possible,
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and it's causing hardship,
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and it's causing
young people to want nothing
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to do with our movement
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because they see this
petty, childish spirit
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from people who are
claiming to be Christian.
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And so I think we need
to make sure that our spirit
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and our beliefs come
from something that would be
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adequately reflecting Jesus.
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Amen.
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And, you know, Mark,
what you said was, yeah,
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there are things where
it's biblical principles
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that we may not
be able to just say,
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"Oh, it doesn't matter,
let's all just come together."
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Right.
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But in those cases, even then,
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do we do it in the right spirit?
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Do we do it in the spirit
of really loving and caring,
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and trying to seeing
someone else's point of view?
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Yeah.
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And then in the things
that there are a lot of things
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maybe we don't need to
die on that hill, so to speak,
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and we should come
together for a purpose.
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Something that's impacted me
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interestingly on
this topic of unity
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is the story of the Tower
of Babel, like what is that.
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Yeah.
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Well, here's a
people that came together
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unfortunately
for a wicked purpose,
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they were trying to defy God
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and build this
tower up to heaven.
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But the Lord says in
verse 6 of Genesis 11,
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"Indeed the people are
one, they have one language,
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this is what they begin to do,
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now nothing that
they proposed to do
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will be withheld from them."
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They were so unified
that if you know the story,
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God had to come down
and actually split them up,
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confuse their
languages, otherwise He said,
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"Nothing would be
withheld from them."
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And I long for that day
when our church comes together
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in the way for a good cause
that nothing would be withheld
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because we care
about God's cause
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and are so dedicated
to that that other things
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don't matter as much anymore.
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I think it's a phenomenal point
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because unity is
not the goal per se,
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let me explain myself,
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just because
people are unified in idea
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does not mean they are
unified with the Word of God
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and its principles.
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Yes.
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So our burden is to be
unified within the Word of God.
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They were of one
accord in the Book of Acts,
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they were of one
accord in the Tower of Babel
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but there's...
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And this is a crazy
thing, in Acts 7, the people...
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The religious
leadership were in one accord
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when they stoned
Stephen, the Man of God.
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Mercy.
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So there's two one
accords even in the Book of Acts
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but is it led by
the Spirit of God,
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and is it uplift
the loveliness of Jesus,
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and how it's carried
forward, and if it doesn't,
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then just because
you have one accord
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or you are unified
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does not mean that
you're on God's side.
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Right.
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And so we need to be
searching our own hearts
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just because we may
have some sense of agreement
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with other people
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is that what God wants
in harmony with His Word.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Well, thank you
all for watching today,
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and these are big topics.
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They are topics
with not easy answers,
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but our prayer is
that we can come together,
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that you would go to
your church leadership,
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pray for them, labor with them,
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and that God
would use us together
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for His purposes in the world.
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Thank you for watching.
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