Participants: Dr. John Jacob (Host), Sean Brereton, Miles Rashad, Bianca Acosta, Jeremiah Dieujuste, Vania Dieujuste
Series Code: RDR
Program Code: RDR000024A
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00:22 Hello and welcome to "Road to Romance"
00:25 I'm your host Dr. John Jacob 00:27 Today we have with us Bianca, Sean and Miles. 00:30 Welcome! Hello! Hi. 00:32 I thought we could start today with a discussion on "Change." 00:36 So let me throw out a question. 00:38 Do you believe that you have the power to 00:41 get your partner to change? 00:44 Your date to change. I don't think so. 00:46 Not necessarily, but you can be a positive influence on them. 00:50 What do you think Bianca? 00:51 I agree with that, positive influence, 00:53 you cannot change somebody. Yes 00:56 So here's a fact though... 00:57 It seems like not everyone believes that. Right 01:00 The majority of folks who are contemplating divorce, 01:03 when you ask them, "Well, why did you marry this man?" 01:07 The majority of them would say, "I thought I could change him." 01:11 "I really thought I could change him, 01:12 I thought he would change for love." 01:15 And as we know now, that seldom happens. 01:19 That's why there's so much trouble. Exactly! 01:21 When you fall in love with someone, 01:23 you want to change for them and unfortunately, 01:26 you often believe that they would do the same for you. 01:30 But that's kind of tied in to the person's personality 01:33 so you will never be sure that someone will change for you 01:36 as much as you will change for them. 01:38 "So, I can change him." You guys are going to 01:42 strike that out of your vocabulary. 01:44 Bianca you're not going to believe that, 01:47 you're not going to say that, you're not going to go there. 01:50 Now let me turn that on its head for you... 01:52 Now there is a principle called "The Michelangelo Effect," 01:56 and basically, this is how it works... 01:57 When two people fall in love, they actually change 02:02 for each other. Okay 02:04 So the guy changes how he does things, how he says things, 02:08 and changes so that he could fit in, be a better match, 02:13 for the person that he is truly interested in, 02:16 and she does the same for him and sometimes it's remarkable 02:20 changes because, you know, when you talk about 02:22 Michelangelo, he was a sculptor. 02:23 So when you think about someone chiseling you, 02:26 sculpting, it could be some painful changes, 02:30 but two people are able to do that for each other 02:34 and willing to do it for each other if they are truly 02:37 interested in each other. 02:39 So how do you know that's actually something that's 02:41 going to stay? 02:44 You don't. Man! 02:48 But you will recall on the XY Personality test, 02:51 there is an adaptability measure. Right 02:54 An adaptability really tells you about the person, 02:57 not about the process that you're going 02:59 through at the time. 03:00 It tells you this person, with or without you, 03:02 is a change agent, this is someone who naturally 03:06 adjusts and changes and is flexible enough to 03:09 make the adjustments that you might need. Okay 03:12 So you could find that out, obviously, 03:14 before you decide to date him, you know. Good! 03:16 So if the results came back showing that he was 03:20 very unlikely to adapt or adjust... 03:23 And if he looks like he's changing, 03:24 like that's probably not going to stick, 03:26 and it's not in his nature. 03:27 It's not in his nature, very good. 03:29 That's exactly right - it has to be in the person's nature, 03:31 which means - it has to be part of their personality. Right? 03:35 So that's how you can find that out. 03:37 There are other young ladies who believe that 03:40 pregnancy will change a guy. 03:43 As-a-matter-fact, it is the root cause for a lot of 03:46 premarital pregnancies. 03:49 They really think, "If I give him a child, 03:51 he's going to change. 03:53 If I give him a child, he's going to propose, 03:56 and the truth of the matter is, 04:00 in fact, it very often has the opposite effect. 04:03 We've talked about vasopressin and vasopressin works 04:07 well if a man and men usually have that hormone, right? 04:12 You guys are loaded with vasopressin? Um hm 04:15 Vasopressin usually works if you're truly interested 04:17 in the individual. 04:18 But if you're not, just like Miles says, 04:21 it has the opposite effect. Okay 04:23 Be out! Yeah, you're going to want 04:26 to leave, so "change" - you'll want to have the person 04:31 change before the hormones run out. 04:34 Remember, you have between 3 months and 2 years 04:38 on average, of dating time, during which hormones 04:43 are raging and those hormones are what make it possible 04:46 for someone to change. Okay 04:48 So what you want to do is, you want to make sure 04:50 that you're assertive enough and this is something that 04:52 very few people do when they're dating. 04:54 When people are dating, they agree 04:55 with everything that the person says. 04:57 They're afraid to say, "I don't like it this way." 05:00 They don't want to chase them off... They don't want 05:01 to chase them off. Be on your best behavior. 05:03 Exactly, and if you waited 6 months for someone to 05:05 come by, you know, or 2 years... 05:08 I've known of some friends that waited 2 years 05:09 for the next date... are you going to want to 05:12 chase them off because you don't eat at this particular 05:16 restaurant - you don't like this particular restaurant and 05:18 this is their favorite restaurant... 05:19 so you don't say anything. They're going to slow. 05:21 Yeah, you don't say anything. 05:22 Well, you don't like that food and maybe you should 05:24 tell them that you're vegetarian, you know, 05:26 that's important to know. 05:28 Why hide that? That's something that is 05:29 going to come out eventually. Right? 05:31 But sometimes we don't do that because we're trying again 05:34 to hold on to the person and not chase them off. 05:36 But it's the exact opposite of what you should do, 05:38 you should be assertive enough to say, "I don't really 05:41 like this," you know, gently, sensitively, 05:43 not bluntly, but you want to say it then because then 05:47 is when they have all the hormones at their 05:49 disposal to make that change possible. 05:51 But what hormones are working in the individual that 05:53 tends to do as what you said, they don't want to 05:57 necessarily reveal that they don't like a particular 06:01 type of male or that they are 06:03 are vegetarian, what hormones is working? 06:04 Oh, a hormone isn't causing that, that is just 06:06 a lack of assertiveness. Okay. 06:07 Yeah, and what causes that also is your personality type. 06:10 We found out Y-types are more likely to say, 06:13 "I am not comfortable with this, this doesn't work for me," 06:18 but X-types, remember X-types 06:20 are more adapting of the personality. 06:22 So X-types tend to say, "You know, hey, maybe I'll change 06:28 his mind after we get married, maybe I'll let him know then 06:32 that I am a vegetarian and that I want him to be one too." Okay 06:36 Hmm, that's allowing the fact that they want 06:39 them to be one too - is the part that they're kind of 06:42 holding off until later on. 06:44 Until later on and talk to your friends, you'll find out 06:46 how many of them are waiting until later on to tell their 06:51 partners what they really want or what they really dislike. 06:55 Okay? And then we have lifestyle changes. 07:00 This one is a little bit complicated, 07:02 but this is how it works... 07:04 When you meet someone, if their lifestyle is so 07:07 different from your lifestyle, that they are going to have to 07:10 make a lifestyle change to be with you, 07:13 it's probably not going to work. 07:15 Question... So that person would likely be an X 07:18 who makes that lifestyle change just to be in a relationship? 07:21 Most likely. That's interesting. 07:24 But if you're a Y-type and I know you guys 07:26 are both Xs, but if you were Ys, 07:28 Ys often expect the X-type person to make that 07:31 kind of change, but it's a mistake. Right 07:34 They both need to be able to, the X needs to remember 07:41 not to change so completely because on the one hand, 07:45 you can end up kind of deceiving the person for a little while 07:48 because then, eventually, you might 07:49 just go right back to where you were at. 07:51 If the Y-type isn't willing to make those adjustments, 07:55 then that's a problem too. 07:58 Yeah, that's a good observation. 07:59 We have a lot of Y-types who say, "Why didn't you tell me 08:02 that you didn't like this? 08:04 You pretended all this time, a couple of years while we were 08:07 dating and you're going to tell me now 08:09 that you don't want children? Hello! Yeah! 08:15 Yeah, so and they feel deceived. 08:18 So X-types really have a lot of work, you guys... 08:21 You Xs, you have a lot of work to do with being "honest," 08:25 being candid and being assertive. 08:28 It's best to speak up in the beginning. Yeah! 08:30 But you want to do it gently and sensitively. Um hm 08:34 And you don't want to come across as having 08:35 20 things that you just wouldn't have any part of. Right 08:39 You know, the person is going to begin to think that 08:41 you're a bit of a stick-in-the- mud and then probably 08:45 move on because you're too difficult, 08:47 you know, too many changes. Okay. All right? 08:50 So I want to share a few things with you that you cannot 08:53 change about your partner. All right. 08:55 So that you guys won't even bother to try, right? 08:57 I spoke about it. Yeah 08:59 Okay, so you cannot change the fact that your 09:02 partner will change. Okay. Okay. Yeah 09:06 Not necessarily in the way that you might want. Um hm 09:09 Now, a lot of people, if you ask folks out in the street, 09:12 they will say, "I don't believe that I will change." 09:17 The majority of people do not believe that they will change. 09:20 So if you ask them 10 years from now, 09:23 "Do you think there will be any major changes 09:24 to who you are and what you do and what you like?" 09:28 Nine times out of 10, the individual will say, "No, 09:30 I am who I am, I like who I am, I'm not going to change." 09:33 When they did the research, what they found is... 09:36 10 years later, almost everybody has changed. 09:40 That's growth right? Change is growth. 09:43 Sometimes! Sometimes it's just a change. 09:46 Some people were extroverts, 09:48 and then 10 years later, they looked more like introverts. 09:50 Whether or not they are true introverts 09:52 or they've adapted is beside the point. 09:54 The point is they're not who they were 10 years ago. 09:57 So if you fell in love with an extrovert, 09:59 and you're not adaptable, 10 years from that point 10:04 that person is an introvert, 10:05 how are you going to handle that? Right 10:07 So you're better off not assuming that your partner 10:11 will not change in any way. People choose. 10:13 Like marrying a statue. Exactly! Exactly! 10:16 Health habits for instance... 10:18 People take on exercise regimens and sometimes 10:23 people will become vegetarian or you may marry a 10:26 vegetarian and then she decides she wants to be a vegan. Right 10:29 How are you going to handle that if you're not convicted, 10:31 you know, in that way? 10:34 So you need to keep in your mind that your partner is 10:36 likely to change and you need 10:38 to be flexible enough to roll with that. Okay 10:41 You can change their brain, but not their mind. 10:45 I don't know if you've ever tried to change somebody's mind. 10:48 You know, you have an opinion and you're arguing your point, 10:52 how often - at the end of your argument does one say, 10:55 "You know, I didn't see it that way, you are so right, Sean, 10:58 what was I thinking?" 11:00 It only works a few times. A few times! 11:02 I think it works more if it's not necessarily an argument, 11:05 but if it's like a discussion about something, 11:07 an open discussion, then you are more likely to 11:10 your opinion or your mind could change, 11:12 but if it's just a straight argument, then... 11:14 Yeah, it's rare and you're right especially when you're arguing, 11:17 and I'm glad you mentioned that because you remember I said 11:19 you could change their brain, but not their mind. 11:23 You change somebody's brain when you interact with them. 11:26 So every time you interact with someone, 11:28 you change their brain. 11:29 So, it could be a positive change because your interaction 11:31 was positive or it could be a negative change because 11:35 you were harsh and you were critical. 11:36 You understand how that... okay. 11:39 So now just to clarify, I guess, that difference 11:41 between mind and brain because a lot of us 11:43 would think that this... 11:45 Yeah, when I talk about the brain, 11:47 I talk about the physical brain, 11:48 and when I talk about the mind, I talk about, you know, 11:51 the cliché that we use about, "Can you change my mind," 11:54 "No, you can't," that kind of thing. 11:55 Okay. So that's the difference. 11:57 You cannot change your partner's character 11:59 and you cannot change their belief. 12:04 So, you can change the behavior. 12:06 Like you could say, "I don't like when you do this," 12:09 and you can get them to change, but it doesn't mean that 12:11 you change their belief about it. Um hm 12:15 You cannot change your partner's family connections. 12:19 In other words, how your partner feels about their family, 12:21 how often they should speak, how often they should 12:23 see each other - they should not ever hope to change that. 12:26 And if you do end up changing that, then that's probably 12:29 too much control to have of them. Exactly, exactly. 12:32 Convictions about having children 12:35 are very hard to change. 12:37 Please find out whether or not the person that you're 12:39 interested in is interested in having children. 12:41 If you want 6 children, you shouldn't get 12:43 with someone who wants zero or one. 12:45 Well how far into the relationship should that 12:48 be brought up - in the beginning or like... 12:50 No, not very early and it changes... 12:53 Some people get into relationships where 12:56 there is a lot more interaction, so if there isn't a whole lot 12:58 of sharing and disclosing, you wouldn't want to 13:00 bring that up on the second date, you know, 13:03 so you could judge it that way. 13:04 We've talked about this... you cannot change someone's 13:07 relationship needs. 13:09 Those are determined by your personality, 13:10 and those tend to be very stable. 13:14 Those are determined even prenatally 13:17 before you were even born, so they're not really influenced 13:22 easily by what someone says and what someone 13:25 does or even by parenting. 13:26 So, you know, keep that in mind. 13:28 Your partner's blueprint... If your partner is a Y-type, 13:31 don't hope to change their blueprint. 13:34 I have spoken to so many young women that have dated men 13:37 for 3, 4, 5 years thinking that they would be the one, 13:40 and they can change who he says he wants to be with 13:43 for the rest of his life. 13:44 But that, for Y-types, does not change, 13:46 it's like a road map. 13:48 If you push too hard against somebody's idea of something, 13:51 they're going to even... it's like you get even more 13:55 entrenched in your idea, like you're not going to 13:57 change how I think! Exactly! 13:59 Exactly and that's what they tell you. 14:01 Sometimes they don't say anything. 14:03 A lot of people don't flash their blueprint, 14:04 no one holds their blueprint out, "This is what I like, 14:06 you're with me right now, but I want you to know 14:09 you're not who I want to be with for the rest of my life." 14:11 So you want to try and find that out and how do you 14:13 find that out... look at their history. 14:15 Who have they dated before you? 14:17 That gives you a good idea. Some homework. Yeah 14:20 You cannot change your partner's relationship to money. 14:25 You know, the guy's a big spender and you like the fact 14:27 that he has a flashy car and he has nice clothes, 14:30 and you're thinking, "Well this is going to be a good 14:34 partner, a good mate," and then you get into the 14:36 marriage and he's still spending the same way, 14:38 but now you guys have children 14:39 and you thought that that would change, but it doesn't. 14:44 And lastly, you cannot change someone's religious beliefs 14:47 or political affiliations and you shouldn't try. 14:51 I'm sure you've heard from your parents that those are 14:53 two things that you shouldn't discuss, but those are also 14:55 two things you shouldn't hope to change. 14:57 They would have to change those themselves, 14:58 but you have no power to do that. Right 15:00 It feels like those two things you would really, really 15:03 have to discuss because people get very passionate about it, 15:06 and if you are really butting heads on that, 15:10 then that can bring a lot of turmoil. Absolutely. 15:13 So, you guys keep in mind those 10 things and I think you'll 15:17 do just fine. All right, thank you! 15:19 See you next time! Thanks 15:27 Hello and welcome back to "Road to Romance" 15:30 Joining us again is Vania and Jeremiah. 15:33 Welcome! Thank you. Nice to be back! 15:35 So today we are going to talk about change. 15:38 By now, I know that you guys probably know as much about 15:41 change as I do, 2-1/2 years you said, into the marriage. Yes! 15:45 So you guys have already made 15:47 some changes for each other, right? Right? 15:49 For the sake of the marriage. 15:51 For the sake of your marriage, exactly, right? 15:53 It's not going to work without it. Right 15:55 So, yeah. So let's start with a principle. 15:58 This scientist came up with something that she called 16:00 "WOOP" and it is "Wishes, Obstacles, Outcome and Planning" 16:07 And so basically what she says is whenever change occurs, 16:10 it has to be intentional. Okay. Yeah 16:14 A lot of people feel that you can ask someone to change. 16:17 "I really would like you to stop doing that," 16:21 and you expect by the next morning, 16:23 she's no longer doing it. Right 16:25 It doesn't work that way. 16:26 That is called "wishful thinking." 16:28 Exactly! He's right, this is exactly what she is doing. 16:32 She actually put out her theories there to counteract 16:38 the whole concept of positive thinking. 16:40 So she actually said "positive thinking doesn't work 16:43 the way people think it does, that if you maintain 16:46 positive thoughts throughout the day about a specific thing, 16:50 the outcome will be different, it's going to change... 16:53 And she is saying, "No it's not, it's not going to change, 16:56 not because you thought positively about it." 16:58 You have to be intentional, you have to do some 17:00 specific things - you have to have, of course, 17:04 the wishes, you know, like the goal... 17:05 What it is that you want to accomplish, 17:07 and then what are the obstacles? 17:09 Every time you ask Vania to make a change, 17:12 you need to keep in mind that there is an obstacle, 17:14 there's something that prevents her from naturally doing 17:18 what you've asked her to do. 17:20 So it's a process which prevents you from coming across as, 17:24 you know, demanding and commanding realizing that 17:28 this is probably something that 17:29 is an ingrained habit that she has. 17:32 Now we've been told that 97% of all the things you do 17:37 are habitual - already ingrained in your brain... 17:41 97% - think about that! 17:43 The next time, Vania, you ask Jeremiah to change 17:46 a specific thing that he does, a specific routine, 17:49 something that he's done for the last 30 years, 17:51 keep in mind that that's already made some grooves in his brain 17:54 and 97% of the time, that will be the problem. Okay 17:59 All right? Now, habits - they say some habits are real easy 18:03 break - some habits can actually be broken instantaneously, 18:06 just like that - you ask and the person 18:08 looks at them and thinks, "Oh, okay, I could change that, 18:13 that is not an ingrained habit." 18:15 Some habits take a little more time - so you read in some 18:18 books that a habit would take 21 days to reverse or to change, 18:24 but then you read in other books that some habits 18:26 9-1/2 weeks on average. 18:28 So you can see that some habits are 18:30 more difficult than others. Right? 18:33 So, you give your partner time when you ask them to, 18:35 you know, make some changes. 18:38 Now here's a really interesting tidbit... 18:42 Marital satisfaction decreases as the changes requested are 18:47 required by your partner increases. 18:51 So, marital satisfaction will go down as the changes 18:57 that you asked Vania to make go up. 19:00 It makes sense. Yeah 19:02 She will become more and more unhappy with you 19:07 if you keep asking her to make more and more changes 19:11 which is why it's so important to do what you guys did 19:14 which is to check your partner out before 19:17 you make that decision. 19:19 I think it also has to do with the way he approaches me 19:23 because like if he approaches me in a loving way, 19:26 then my reaction will be different... like I would be 19:30 more willing to do the changes, and if it's like changes that 19:34 I want to see in myself too... Right! 19:36 you know, so because there are things that you want to change 19:39 about yourself too and then there are changes that 19:42 you don't want to make, so I think it's a combination 19:45 of what you want to see in yourself, 19:47 and the way he would approach me. 19:51 All right, I appreciate what you said, 19:53 it's just to that end because you said, just now, that 19:57 the more changes that I ask of her, the more the 20:03 dissatisfaction with the marriage is going to occur. 20:06 So, when I think about that, I'm sure, like, when we were 20:10 courting each other - when we were going through that stage, 20:12 we tied a lot of conversations about things that we would 20:15 want to avoid and different things like that, 20:17 and certain things, but at the end of the day, 20:19 there are certain things that you won't know 20:21 until you get into the marriage. 20:22 I think you had said previously like if - you know, 20:25 I wake up and the toothpaste is always 20:27 squeezed out in the middle, so for me, 20:30 I won't know these things until that point and then 20:32 with different stages like say - somebody has a job, 20:34 they lose that job - that's going to require people 20:36 to have to adjust to those things, so then there are 20:38 are going to be some other changes that have to be made. 20:40 So that's how I see it, so some of these changes 20:43 you can't actually talk about it. 20:45 Yeah, you cannot predict everything which is why 20:47 adaptability is so important as as a trait for couples to have. 20:52 High adaptability because you have to adapt to so many things. 20:55 But still, I want you to keep in mind that 20:58 changes - they found that they're like a reservoir. 21:01 So you have a certain amount of water in a reservoir, 21:05 it's just finite and so changes are the same except that 21:08 you don't know how many changes she has in her bin 21:11 or her bucket there, you have no idea. 21:14 So you want to make sure that you prioritize the changes 21:17 that you're asking her to make. 21:19 You know, some people make a fuss about whether or not 21:21 their partner has made up the bed after he's left the house... 21:25 even though they never let anyone into their 21:27 master bedroom - not even the kids, not even the dog. 21:30 Nobody goes into the master bedroom. 21:31 So, you want to prioritize this - is this the hill 21:34 that I want to die on, as people say, you know? 21:36 Knowing g that she has a limited finite amount of changes 21:40 that she will make before she begins to 21:42 feel that this is too much... 21:44 Yeah, it's funny because I would tell him like 21:46 "it's not a priority," you know, like... 21:49 it's not important," you know, like "let's focus on the 21:53 more important things." 21:54 Don't sweat the small stuff. Yeah! 21:56 Yeah, well that's good, I like that, 21:58 it's not a priority Jeremiah. 21:59 Not a priority - I gotta pick my battles. Yeah! 22:01 Absolutely! Absolutely! 22:03 Okay, also the best time, of course, to negotiate change 22:06 is before marriage and not before sleep. Okay 22:12 You shouldn't be discussing heavy things that can 22:16 lead to conflict just before you go to bed. Okay 22:19 Because you're going to be very tired and, you know, 22:22 there's no point to it, you're already on edge, 22:23 you know, tired from the day and also, of course, 22:27 hopefully you guys negotiated a lot of this before 22:29 you went to the altar because that was the time 22:32 that it was the easiest, remember the hormones 22:34 make it really easy during that time. Right. Yeah. 22:37 Okay and you also want to practice something 22:41 called "neurogenesis" which is the growing of the neurons... 22:45 So change is best or more successful when it involves 22:49 growth in the brain - brain cells and you do that 22:53 by learning new things which is why it's always a good idea 22:56 to go and take a class or a course together about 22:58 you know - marriage-type stuff, right? 23:02 You want to exercise together. 23:04 That also grows the neurons. 23:05 You want to travel together. 23:07 You want to have new experiences because 23:09 new experiences actually bond you guys and make it 23:12 easier for change of other types. 23:15 Okay, I have a question... Like, those experiences 23:17 need to be done together? 23:19 What if I do something and he does something and we share? 23:23 Does it have the same effect or 23:24 is it literally about doing it together? 23:26 Things that you guys need to do together. 23:28 It involves change that both of you are interested in. 23:30 Okay. That makes sense. Yeah 23:32 Okay, also you want to make sure that... well here's 23:37 another tidbit - they believe that blueberries, 23:40 eating blueberries facilitates change. 23:43 Ooo, I eat a lot of blueberries! Laughter! 23:45 Look at that! Well Jeremiah is a happy guy! 23:47 He's a happy man in that case. I do! 23:50 So you probably change more... if it's true. 23:52 I even have blueberries in the freezer. 23:53 Laughter 23:55 Well, very good, very good! 23:57 Before we conclude, I just wanted to say... 24:01 Very often the husband is the one that believes 24:04 that the wife has to make all the changes. 24:07 This is tradition - it's handed down from our forefathers, 24:12 but it's not necessarily correct. 24:14 I know it's not true - when I look at, for instance, 24:16 Ephesians 5:21- it talks about husbands and wives and it says: 24:23 "Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ." Right? 24:30 So it's encouraging, both you and your wife to submit 24:35 to each other. 24:37 Now, most people jump down to the other verses, 24:40 verse 24, verse 25- where it says: "Wives submit to your 24:46 husband" - I mean this is the scripture that you get 24:48 quoted over and over and over and over in sermons, right? 24:51 But they neglect to go a little higher when it says, 24:53 "Hey, you guys have to both submit to each other, 24:56 this goes both ways, not one way." 24:59 And also, I think what God had in mind when He said, 25:02 "Submit to each other," He obviously knew that 25:06 the majority of differences and conflict that you guys will 25:09 have - in fact they say over 70% of differences 25:13 cannot be resolved... Why? think about that. 25:16 If 70% of the things that you guys argue about cannot 25:19 be resolved - how do you fix it? 25:22 You fix it with submission. 25:25 You fix it with you realizing that sometimes you just 25:27 have to give in. Exactly! Um hm 25:29 And you also - the same. Um hm 25:32 You're just going to have to give in - you're not going to 25:34 be able to argue your way through to everything. 25:36 You don't need to understand everything. 25:37 You just need to learn to accept certain things. Absolutely! 25:41 Trying to understand everything, that's a huge mistake. Yeah 25:44 Just accept - so you guys doing the submission? 25:49 Are you practicing that? 25:51 Like I said earlier - for the sake of the marriage. Laughter 25:54 Very good. We do our best, yes. Strong. 25:56 So I want to thank you again for joining me 25:59 and I'll see you next time. Thank you |
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