Were the people in the Bible any different to us today? 00:00:03.37\00:00:06.17 Or ordinary people like you and me? 00:00:10.07\00:00:12.27 What can we find out 00:00:22.08\00:00:23.42 from their lives that will help us? 00:00:23.45\00:00:25.22 Find out with Pastor Geoff Youlden 00:00:29.22\00:00:31.19 and Rosemary Malkiewycz, here on People Just Like Us. 00:00:31.23\00:00:36.80 We're glad to have you with us again today, 00:00:36.83\00:00:39.73 as we learn more lessons from the Word of God. 00:00:39.77\00:00:43.07 In this program 00:00:43.10\00:00:44.44 we'll be looking at three friends 00:00:44.47\00:00:45.87 who showed great faith 00:00:45.91\00:00:47.28 and trust in God during a fiery trial. 00:00:47.31\00:00:51.28 We may have to go through tough trials too. 00:00:51.31\00:00:53.98 So let's see what we can learn from their experience. 00:00:54.02\00:00:57.79 Geoff, who are the three friends? 00:00:57.82\00:01:01.86 Better known as Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego. 00:01:01.89\00:01:05.23 Although, that wasn't their Hebrew names. 00:01:05.26\00:01:07.23 No, that's right. 00:01:07.26\00:01:08.60 But it's their Babylonian names that we know them best by. 00:01:08.63\00:01:12.57 That's right. We do. 00:01:12.60\00:01:13.94 And on the opposite with Daniel, of course. 00:01:13.97\00:01:17.41 Isn't that strange? It's very strange. 00:01:17.44\00:01:18.77 Daniel kept using his Hebrew name, 00:01:18.81\00:01:21.21 but the other three were referred to 00:01:21.24\00:01:22.88 by their Babylonian. 00:01:22.91\00:01:24.25 Yes. Babylonian, Babylonish names. 00:01:24.28\00:01:26.85 Yeah, well, it's simply because it's recorded 00:01:26.88\00:01:29.32 that way in the Bible, I guess. 00:01:29.35\00:01:30.69 So, there must be some reason. 00:01:30.72\00:01:32.95 I think this chapter, the third chapter of Daniel 00:01:32.99\00:01:35.49 is one of the greatest chapters in the Bible. 00:01:35.52\00:01:39.63 I mean, that's like saying, which is your favorite child. 00:01:39.66\00:01:43.10 They're all the same. 00:01:43.13\00:01:44.47 You know, they're all favorites. 00:01:44.50\00:01:45.87 But, however, this is an outstanding chapter. 00:01:45.90\00:01:49.84 And I'd like to read from the 3 Chapter of Daniel 00:01:49.87\00:01:54.64 and verse 1, where it says here, 00:01:54.68\00:01:59.38 "Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, 00:01:59.41\00:02:02.62 whose height was sixty cubits and its width six cubits. 00:02:02.65\00:02:07.39 He set it up on the plain of Dura, 00:02:07.42\00:02:09.16 in the province of Babylon. 00:02:09.19\00:02:12.19 And King Nebuchadnezzar sent word to gather 00:02:12.23\00:02:14.86 together the satraps, the administrators, 00:02:14.90\00:02:16.97 the governors, the counselors, the treasurers, 00:02:17.00\00:02:19.30 the judges, the magistrates, 00:02:19.33\00:02:21.10 and all the officials of the provinces, 00:02:21.14\00:02:22.87 to come to the dedication of the image 00:02:22.90\00:02:25.27 which King Nebuchadnezzar had set up. 00:02:25.31\00:02:28.48 So the satraps and administrators, 00:02:28.51\00:02:30.28 the governors, the counselors, the treasurers, the judges, 00:02:30.31\00:02:32.45 the magistrates, and all the officials 00:02:32.48\00:02:34.98 of the provinces gathered together 00:02:35.02\00:02:37.02 for the dedication of the image 00:02:37.05\00:02:38.92 that King Nebuchadnezzar had set up, 00:02:38.95\00:02:40.86 and they stood before the image that Nebuchadnezzar had set up. 00:02:40.89\00:02:44.86 Then a herald cried aloud: 'To you it is commanded, 00:02:44.89\00:02:49.46 O peoples, nations, and languages, 00:02:49.50\00:02:51.77 that at the time you hear the sound of the horn, flute, 00:02:51.80\00:02:55.24 harp, lyre, and psaltery, 00:02:55.27\00:02:57.57 in symphony with all kinds of music, 00:02:57.61\00:03:00.14 you shall fall down and worship the gold image 00:03:00.18\00:03:02.91 that King Nebuchadnezzar had set up." 00:03:02.94\00:03:06.78 I mean, that was a pretty serious event, 00:03:06.82\00:03:09.55 wasn't it? 00:03:09.58\00:03:10.92 Well, they certainly made sure everybody knew 00:03:10.95\00:03:12.75 what had to happen because they repeated it too. 00:03:12.79\00:03:15.46 Absolutely. 00:03:15.49\00:03:16.83 And then it says whoever does not fall down 00:03:16.86\00:03:18.86 and worship shall be cast immediately 00:03:18.89\00:03:21.00 into the midst of a burning fiery furnace. 00:03:21.03\00:03:23.60 Well, I think that wouldn't be enough to make anybody do it. 00:03:23.63\00:03:26.63 Well, to me... 00:03:26.67\00:03:28.00 I would think, Rosemary, 00:03:28.04\00:03:29.37 that if you taught religion like that, 00:03:29.40\00:03:30.81 you would have lots of adherence. 00:03:30.84\00:03:32.74 Yes, but you wouldn't have a lot of converts. 00:03:32.77\00:03:36.08 And that's the way he was teaching religion. 00:03:36.11\00:03:38.68 Actually, it's very interesting 00:03:38.71\00:03:40.48 I find this number of 60 cubits high 00:03:40.52\00:03:45.75 and 6 cubits wide. 00:03:45.79\00:03:47.29 How big is that? 00:03:47.32\00:03:49.69 Well, the most common form of measurement 00:03:49.72\00:03:53.19 is usually they suggest, 00:03:53.23\00:03:55.00 you know, from here to here is a cubit. 00:03:55.03\00:03:57.87 So that would make it around about 30 odd meters tall 00:03:57.90\00:04:03.17 and a couple of meters wide. 00:04:03.20\00:04:04.54 This is a 10-story building... Hmm? 00:04:04.57\00:04:06.47 That's a 10-story building. Yes. 00:04:06.51\00:04:08.21 Well, it's interesting that the number 00:04:08.24\00:04:10.85 that this number six is very interesting 00:04:10.88\00:04:15.62 in the Babylonian power because, 00:04:15.65\00:04:18.32 you know, we've changed over the decimal system, 00:04:18.35\00:04:20.36 most parts of the world 00:04:20.39\00:04:21.72 now operating on the decimal system 00:04:21.76\00:04:23.16 and most of us find 00:04:23.19\00:04:24.53 that the decimal system is a good... 00:04:24.56\00:04:27.10 Very easy. Very easy. Yes. 00:04:27.13\00:04:28.76 I mean, I was brought up on the imperial system, 00:04:28.80\00:04:30.93 you know, 12 times. 00:04:30.97\00:04:32.30 I say to kids these days, 00:04:32.33\00:04:33.67 you only have to learn 10 lots of times table. 00:04:33.70\00:04:35.90 I had to learn 12. 00:04:35.94\00:04:38.47 But we've changed over 00:04:38.51\00:04:39.84 but 10 is divisible by 00:04:39.87\00:04:42.44 5 and by 2. 00:04:42.48\00:04:46.51 But, if you take the 60-system 00:04:46.55\00:04:48.28 is what was invented here by the Babylonians, 00:04:48.32\00:04:52.05 they invented it by... 00:04:52.09\00:04:54.32 You can divide into 00:04:54.36\00:04:55.69 60, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6... 00:04:55.72\00:05:00.56 And 10. 00:05:00.60\00:05:01.93 Which makes it very easy for division, 00:05:01.96\00:05:05.70 multiplication and so forth, 00:05:05.73\00:05:07.20 which is really superior to the decimal system 00:05:07.24\00:05:11.07 that we have. 00:05:11.11\00:05:12.44 And that's where that we get the idea 00:05:12.47\00:05:14.78 of 60 seconds to the minute. 00:05:14.81\00:05:16.95 Well, time can't be decimal. 00:05:16.98\00:05:19.81 No, well, 60 minutes to the hour. 00:05:19.85\00:05:23.28 And the circle is 360 degrees, 00:05:23.32\00:05:25.85 which is simply 60x6 00:05:25.89\00:05:28.82 and all through the system ran the number 6. 00:05:28.86\00:05:32.99 That's right. 00:05:33.03\00:05:34.36 And it's interesting on the other hand 00:05:34.40\00:05:36.20 that God's number is number 7. 00:05:36.23\00:05:40.24 All through the Bible, you know, you got 7 churches, 00:05:40.27\00:05:41.90 7 seals, 7 trumpets... 00:05:41.94\00:05:43.27 Seven is a number of perfection. 00:05:43.30\00:05:44.64 Yes, 7. 00:05:44.67\00:05:46.01 And not only is it in the Bible, 00:05:46.04\00:05:47.38 but 7 is also in nature. 00:05:47.41\00:05:49.14 For example, we have the fact 00:05:49.18\00:05:54.55 that many of the birds and animals 00:05:54.58\00:05:56.48 their gestation periods are all multiples of 7. 00:05:56.52\00:05:59.72 Really? 00:05:59.75\00:06:02.16 And then when it comes to music we'll look at 00:06:02.19\00:06:05.39 and there are 7 notes, and only 7 notes in music. 00:06:05.43\00:06:08.43 That's all there are. 00:06:08.46\00:06:10.07 There are 7 colors in the rainbow. 00:06:10.10\00:06:13.20 And the number 7, there are 7 days in the week. 00:06:13.23\00:06:17.94 And so the number 7 runs all through the Bible 00:06:17.97\00:06:21.94 as God's number 00:06:21.98\00:06:23.31 but when the devil set up his system, 00:06:23.35\00:06:25.38 which was Babel, the Tower of Babel, 00:06:25.41\00:06:27.52 which is where Babylon comes from. 00:06:27.55\00:06:29.55 That system was set up on the very opposite 00:06:29.58\00:06:32.29 in absolute antagonism and opposite to what God does. 00:06:32.32\00:06:36.52 So they chose 6. 00:06:36.56\00:06:38.59 And it's interesting that when you add together, 00:06:38.63\00:06:41.90 number 7 and number 6... 00:06:41.93\00:06:44.53 You get 13. 00:06:44.57\00:06:45.90 You get 13, and everyone knows 00:06:45.93\00:06:47.54 that 13 is considered to be a very, very unlucky, 00:06:47.57\00:06:50.41 especially if it's Friday with 13th. 00:06:50.44\00:06:52.37 Yes. 00:06:52.41\00:06:53.74 And... Because Friday... 00:06:53.78\00:06:55.11 because 6 and 7 making 13. 00:06:55.14\00:06:57.75 It's a counterfeit with the truth 00:06:57.78\00:07:00.68 being added together. 00:07:00.72\00:07:02.65 People today don't realize the origin of these things 00:07:02.68\00:07:06.02 because most of the things that we have 00:07:06.05\00:07:08.52 come from the Bible, 00:07:08.56\00:07:10.46 but because we live in a secular world, generally, 00:07:10.49\00:07:13.86 they have forgotten the fact that 00:07:13.90\00:07:17.10 the numbers in the Bible are very significant 00:07:17.13\00:07:19.43 and 13, from time immemorial, 00:07:19.47\00:07:22.60 it has been regarded as being unlucky. 00:07:22.64\00:07:24.71 Because when you mix together things of God 00:07:24.74\00:07:27.08 and things of the devil, you always have trouble. 00:07:27.11\00:07:29.21 The clean and the unclean. Yeah. 00:07:29.24\00:07:31.21 So just interesting that when you read here 00:07:31.25\00:07:34.15 to start off with the 60x6 cubits, 00:07:34.18\00:07:36.99 I mean, you can just imagine where this thing came from. 00:07:37.02\00:07:39.65 I mean, the question is asked, 00:07:39.69\00:07:41.06 where did Nebuchadnezzar get such an idea from 00:07:41.09\00:07:44.09 erecting this huge image so high and so wide? 00:07:44.13\00:07:48.40 Where did he get that from? 00:07:48.43\00:07:49.76 They all of gold. Hmm? 00:07:49.80\00:07:51.27 All of gold. Yeah, all of gold. 00:07:51.30\00:07:53.74 Well, I think that there's the answer to that 00:07:53.77\00:07:56.40 is simply in the second chapter of Daniel 00:07:56.44\00:07:59.04 because you will remember that Nebuchadnezzar had a dream 00:07:59.07\00:08:03.88 and Daniel interpreted the dream. 00:08:03.91\00:08:06.65 And he said, "You are the head of gold, 00:08:06.68\00:08:08.15 breast and arms of silver, 00:08:08.18\00:08:09.52 belly and thighs of brass, legs of iron, 00:08:09.55\00:08:11.79 and feet part of iron, part of clay." 00:08:11.82\00:08:13.89 And Daniel in interpretation said to Nebuchadnezzar, 00:08:13.92\00:08:16.76 you are this head of gold. 00:08:16.79\00:08:20.60 And so, really Chapter 3 00:08:20.63\00:08:24.07 is his defiance of God, 00:08:24.10\00:08:28.70 because he's defying Daniel's interpretation 00:08:28.74\00:08:32.41 and saying there's gonna be another power 00:08:32.44\00:08:34.38 and followed by another power, 00:08:34.41\00:08:35.74 followed by another power... 00:08:35.78\00:08:37.11 Which meant that Nebuchadnezzar's power was 00:08:37.15\00:08:38.81 or his kingdom was not gonna last. 00:08:38.85\00:08:40.82 Well, he made sure, what he was trying to say 00:08:40.85\00:08:43.89 that my kingdom is going to last. 00:08:43.92\00:08:45.85 And I think that he was particularly impressed 00:08:45.89\00:08:48.89 with verse 44 00:08:48.92\00:08:51.89 of Chapter 2, 00:08:51.93\00:08:55.10 where it says, "And in the days of these kings 00:08:55.13\00:08:59.37 the God of heaven will set up a kingdom 00:08:59.40\00:09:01.34 which shall never be destroyed." 00:09:01.37\00:09:03.51 Now, that is what he wanted. 00:09:03.54\00:09:06.47 "And the kingdom shall not be left to other people, 00:09:06.51\00:09:08.58 it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, 00:09:08.61\00:09:11.31 and it shall stand forever." 00:09:11.35\00:09:12.71 That's the type of kingdom that Nebuchadnezzar wanted. 00:09:12.75\00:09:15.25 And I think in Chapter 3, in defiance of Daniel's 00:09:15.28\00:09:19.22 and his interpretation in defiance of God, 00:09:19.25\00:09:21.69 he's setting up a kingdom, 00:09:21.72\00:09:24.09 this image which represents his kingdom, 00:09:24.13\00:09:26.16 which he said it's going to last forever. 00:09:26.19\00:09:28.23 And making it all of gold. He was the head of gold. 00:09:28.26\00:09:31.90 So, this is my kingdom and it's going to be, 00:09:31.93\00:09:34.97 the whole image is my kingdom. 00:09:35.00\00:09:37.21 Yeah, well, I can just imagine these three boys. 00:09:37.24\00:09:40.11 They spent the night then, you know, on the day 00:09:44.68\00:09:46.75 when everything was going to take place, 00:09:46.78\00:09:48.75 when everyone had to bow before this image, 00:09:48.78\00:09:51.39 I can imagine they spent the whole night in prayer 00:09:51.42\00:09:53.86 because this was a serious time. 00:09:53.89\00:09:56.16 Now, sometimes people say, well, where was Daniel? 00:09:56.19\00:09:58.89 Because Daniel's not mentioned in Chapter 3. 00:09:58.93\00:10:00.40 No, he's not. 00:10:00.43\00:10:01.76 Well, we would presume that Daniel wasn't in the kingdom 00:10:01.80\00:10:04.93 at that time that perhaps 00:10:04.97\00:10:06.53 because of his prime ministership, 00:10:06.57\00:10:09.04 and his responsibilities in the kingdom 00:10:09.07\00:10:11.61 that he was probably 00:10:11.64\00:10:13.01 in the far reaches of the kingdom 00:10:13.04\00:10:14.58 because there's no question that if Daniel had been there, 00:10:14.61\00:10:17.48 he would have been faithful too. 00:10:17.51\00:10:18.85 That's right. 00:10:18.88\00:10:20.22 Because he certainly was faithful in the lions' den 00:10:20.25\00:10:22.05 which is, you know, Chapter 6. 00:10:22.08\00:10:23.75 So, but, getting back to Shadrach, 00:10:23.79\00:10:26.86 Meshach and Abednego, 00:10:26.89\00:10:28.22 here they are, being arrayed with everybody else. 00:10:28.26\00:10:32.79 Because Nebuchadnezzar knew 00:10:32.83\00:10:34.43 that his kingdom from without was impossible to overcome 00:10:34.46\00:10:39.13 because the walls, in fact, Herod had said, 00:10:39.17\00:10:41.40 that the walls were over 300 feet 00:10:41.44\00:10:44.01 or about 100 meters in height. 00:10:44.04\00:10:46.14 You could race two chariots or something around there. 00:10:46.17\00:10:47.51 Yeah, two or three chariots around, 00:10:47.54\00:10:49.34 the tops of the walls are impregnable. 00:10:49.38\00:10:51.68 And Nebuchadnezzar realized that, 00:10:51.71\00:10:53.75 but he also understood that the danger 00:10:53.78\00:10:57.02 that was from rebellion from within. 00:10:57.05\00:10:59.69 So, he wanted to unite the kingdom within 00:10:59.72\00:11:03.63 and they wanted to unite it 00:11:03.66\00:11:05.46 with the idea of him being the god. 00:11:05.49\00:11:08.90 And they would worship him and his image, 00:11:08.93\00:11:12.10 that's really the background. 00:11:12.13\00:11:13.74 And I can imagine the day 00:11:13.77\00:11:15.54 when this whole thing took place, 00:11:15.57\00:11:18.64 you know, the camels 00:11:18.67\00:11:20.01 with a rich revenue of coverings. 00:11:20.04\00:11:24.01 There were the Arabian horses prancing around, 00:11:24.05\00:11:28.15 there would be the music, there would be the glamour, 00:11:28.18\00:11:32.55 and just everything would have just been 00:11:32.59\00:11:35.76 absolutely fantastic as far as putting on a show is concerned. 00:11:35.79\00:11:39.36 Yes. 00:11:39.39\00:11:40.73 And here are these three boys are arrayed 00:11:40.76\00:11:43.97 and on the plain of Dura, because it says 00:11:44.00\00:11:46.60 in the plain of Dura that today and I've been there, it's flat. 00:11:46.63\00:11:50.91 It's as flat as the floor in your house. 00:11:50.94\00:11:55.44 And so this image would have stood out 00:11:55.48\00:11:57.25 for miles in every direction. 00:11:57.28\00:11:59.21 Wow. Ten stories high. Yes. 00:11:59.25\00:12:01.22 Yeah, you would see it and, 00:12:01.25\00:12:03.59 and it would have flashed in the sunlight. 00:12:03.62\00:12:05.42 You know, gold flashing. 00:12:05.45\00:12:07.72 It must have been a magnificent scene 00:12:07.76\00:12:10.39 that Nebuchadnezzar had created. 00:12:10.43\00:12:13.19 And suddenly in verse 4, it says, 00:12:13.23\00:12:15.63 "Then a herald cried aloud: "To you it is commanded, 00:12:15.66\00:12:19.73 O peoples, nations, and languages," 00:12:19.77\00:12:21.50 and you can see all the people gather there, 00:12:21.54\00:12:23.84 "that at the time you hear the sound of the horn, 00:12:23.87\00:12:26.11 the flute, the harp, the lyre, and psaltery, 00:12:26.14\00:12:28.01 in symphony with all kinds of music, 00:12:28.04\00:12:29.84 you shall fall down and worship the gold image 00:12:29.88\00:12:32.11 that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up, 00:12:32.15\00:12:34.15 and whoever does not fall down 00:12:34.18\00:12:35.95 and worship shall be cast immediately 00:12:35.98\00:12:38.49 into the midst of a burning fiery furnace." 00:12:38.52\00:12:41.76 And like, 00:12:41.79\00:12:45.06 on, you know, 00:12:45.09\00:12:48.80 on show on that very moment, 00:12:48.83\00:12:50.43 it says, "So at that time, 00:12:50.47\00:12:53.64 when all the people heard the sound of the horn, 00:12:53.67\00:12:55.90 the flute, the harp, the lyre, in symphony 00:12:55.94\00:12:57.97 with all kinds of music, all the people, it says, 00:12:58.01\00:13:01.54 nations, and languages fell down 00:13:01.58\00:13:03.68 and worshiped the gold image 00:13:03.71\00:13:05.05 which King Nebuchadnezzar had set up." 00:13:05.08\00:13:07.22 So like on queue. 00:13:07.25\00:13:10.19 And they would have been hurrying to do it 00:13:10.22\00:13:11.99 so they didn't get thrown into the fiery furnace. 00:13:12.02\00:13:13.92 I tell you, that's the way to as we said 00:13:13.96\00:13:15.92 it was unanimous 00:13:15.96\00:13:17.29 and that's the way to teach religion. 00:13:17.33\00:13:19.79 And Nebuchadnezzar, 00:13:19.83\00:13:21.86 I can see sitting back on his throne 00:13:21.90\00:13:23.83 feeling very, very happy because like on one mesh, 00:13:23.87\00:13:27.24 you can see all the people is bowing down 00:13:27.27\00:13:29.00 as the music sounds. 00:13:29.04\00:13:30.37 Obedience. Yes. 00:13:30.41\00:13:31.74 And Nebuchadnezzar feeling very satisfied. 00:13:31.77\00:13:34.28 My kingdom is secure. 00:13:34.31\00:13:36.85 They're worshiping me. 00:13:36.88\00:13:38.78 And suddenly, is it in verse 12? 00:13:38.81\00:13:43.69 Suddenly, a messenger comes in and says, 00:13:43.72\00:13:47.62 "There are certain Jews..." 00:13:47.66\00:13:50.33 And you can see the bite in this as you read. 00:13:50.36\00:13:53.13 "There are certain Jews whom you have set 00:13:53.16\00:13:55.90 over the affairs of Babylon, 00:13:55.93\00:13:57.83 Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, these men, O king, 00:13:57.87\00:14:01.24 have not paid you regard to you. 00:14:01.27\00:14:02.94 They do not serve your gods or worship the gold image 00:14:02.97\00:14:05.67 which you have set up." 00:14:05.71\00:14:07.04 Now, once again, we got to understand 00:14:07.08\00:14:08.68 a little bit of the background here 00:14:08.71\00:14:10.05 to understand the venom in those words. 00:14:10.08\00:14:13.82 There are certain Jews whom you have set up, 00:14:13.85\00:14:17.65 because you see those Jews, 00:14:17.69\00:14:19.62 Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego 00:14:19.65\00:14:21.06 and Daniel had taken their positions. 00:14:21.09\00:14:23.83 The king preferred them over the Babylonians. 00:14:23.86\00:14:26.29 Now, you know, people don't like that. 00:14:26.33\00:14:29.36 And when foreigners come in and take their positions, 00:14:29.40\00:14:33.07 you know, we sometimes have that 00:14:33.10\00:14:34.44 in politics and in our own countries. 00:14:34.47\00:14:36.44 And this was the issue back here in Babylon, 00:14:36.47\00:14:39.34 these certain Jews that you have appointed, 00:14:39.37\00:14:42.61 they do not regard you. 00:14:42.64\00:14:43.98 Instead of us. Yes, yes. 00:14:44.01\00:14:45.58 And, well, that explains why they hated 00:14:45.61\00:14:48.82 these Jews so much. 00:14:48.85\00:14:50.89 And King Nebuchadnezzar 00:14:50.92\00:14:52.62 was just about to burst a blood vessel 00:14:52.65\00:14:54.96 because it says in verse 13, "Then Nebuchadnezzar, 00:14:54.99\00:14:58.33 in rage and fury, 00:14:58.36\00:15:01.10 gave the command to bring Shadrach, 00:15:01.13\00:15:02.76 Meshach and Abednego. 00:15:02.80\00:15:04.23 So they brought these men before the king." 00:15:04.27\00:15:06.94 And as you say you can almost see 00:15:06.97\00:15:09.44 his jugular veins sticking out in his neck 00:15:09.47\00:15:11.91 and his neck going all red. 00:15:11.94\00:15:13.41 He was so furious 00:15:13.44\00:15:15.08 that these men were going to upset his kingdom. 00:15:15.11\00:15:17.85 Well, see now his kingdom wasn't secure. 00:15:17.88\00:15:20.78 And the unification of it, yes. 00:15:20.82\00:15:22.68 And verse 14, "Nebuchadnezzar spoke, 00:15:22.72\00:15:25.12 saying to them, 'Is it true, 00:15:25.15\00:15:27.39 Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, that you do not serve my gods 00:15:27.42\00:15:32.13 or worship the gold image which I have set up?'" 00:15:32.16\00:15:35.86 And once again, in those words, 00:15:35.90\00:15:38.20 you can read the background. 00:15:38.23\00:15:40.14 I could almost feel his voice trembling as he said, 00:15:40.17\00:15:43.54 "Is it true, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, 00:15:43.57\00:15:47.01 of all the people in my kingdom 00:15:47.04\00:15:49.34 that I thought would be loyal to me, 00:15:49.38\00:15:51.25 it's you because after all, 00:15:51.28\00:15:53.25 I lifted you from slavery into the exalted positions 00:15:53.28\00:15:57.95 that you have in my kingdom." 00:15:57.99\00:15:59.59 And I've trusted you. 00:15:59.62\00:16:01.02 "Yeah, and I would have expected that 00:16:01.06\00:16:02.42 you would be loyal to me?" 00:16:02.46\00:16:03.79 That's really the background of this. 00:16:03.83\00:16:06.26 All I've done for you. 00:16:06.29\00:16:09.03 Now, is this what you return to me, you know. 00:16:09.06\00:16:13.37 And I've heard people, you know, 00:16:13.40\00:16:14.77 and I've had people come to me 00:16:14.80\00:16:16.30 and when we've been teaching them the Bible 00:16:16.34\00:16:20.78 and they say, well, it's the boss, 00:16:20.81\00:16:22.48 I've got to be faithful to the boss 00:16:22.51\00:16:24.31 when it comes to being obedient to God's commandments. 00:16:24.35\00:16:27.35 And the particular commandment 00:16:27.38\00:16:29.65 that God has asked us to keep and... 00:16:29.68\00:16:32.29 Well, it's the boss 00:16:32.32\00:16:33.66 and I can't let him down, you know, 00:16:33.69\00:16:35.16 and I like to remind them of Shadrach, 00:16:35.19\00:16:36.89 Meshach and Abednego, 00:16:36.93\00:16:38.26 because no one was more dependent 00:16:38.29\00:16:40.16 upon the king than those three boys. 00:16:40.20\00:16:41.86 If they had been thrown out of the kingdom, 00:16:41.90\00:16:43.90 they would have become beggars on the streets of a pagan city, 00:16:43.93\00:16:48.74 without any welfare or without any future 00:16:48.77\00:16:52.74 to help their wives or children. 00:16:52.77\00:16:56.64 It was a terrible, terrible experience, 00:16:56.68\00:16:58.41 and yet is it true? 00:16:58.45\00:17:00.55 And I can hear Nebuchadnezzar saying, 00:17:00.58\00:17:03.12 look, what we want boys when they suggested, well... 00:17:03.15\00:17:07.39 The only thing that's really stopping 00:17:07.42\00:17:08.82 is one of those commandments of God. 00:17:08.86\00:17:10.83 You know, 00:17:10.86\00:17:12.19 I made so many Christians today feel 00:17:12.23\00:17:14.03 that the commandments have been done away with. 00:17:14.06\00:17:16.26 And Nebuchadnezzar was saying, 00:17:16.30\00:17:17.63 oh, those commandments 00:17:17.67\00:17:19.00 were all right for you back in Jerusalem, 00:17:19.03\00:17:20.54 but now you're out in the big wide world, 00:17:20.57\00:17:22.04 you can't be expected to keep those commandments. 00:17:22.07\00:17:25.04 And we need today a broader religion, 00:17:25.07\00:17:29.18 you know, something that takes in everything, 00:17:29.21\00:17:31.65 broad religion, you know, unification. 00:17:31.68\00:17:33.78 And, so, that means that... 00:17:33.82\00:17:36.38 Don't want' to be particular about it, 00:17:36.42\00:17:38.45 it's something that embraces everybody. 00:17:38.49\00:17:41.66 That's the attitude today 00:17:41.69\00:17:43.12 in so many, many people's minds, 00:17:43.16\00:17:46.29 and that's what Nebuchadnezzar here was saying. 00:17:46.33\00:17:48.96 You know, I'm always interested 00:17:49.00\00:17:50.97 those who've read the Book of Revelation know 00:17:51.00\00:17:54.50 that this scene is going to be reenacted again 00:17:54.54\00:17:58.97 in the last days. 00:17:59.01\00:18:00.34 Please come over to Revelation 13, 00:18:00.38\00:18:02.48 we have a very, very similar experience 00:18:02.51\00:18:05.95 for God's people just before Jesus returns a second time. 00:18:05.98\00:18:10.99 So, this is not just a story 00:18:11.02\00:18:15.59 from the days of Babylon 00:18:15.62\00:18:17.16 and the Book of Daniel, this is more than a story, 00:18:17.19\00:18:19.79 this is an illustration of what's going to happen 00:18:19.83\00:18:22.20 to God's people in the last days. 00:18:22.23\00:18:23.93 This thing is going to be reenacted again. 00:18:23.97\00:18:26.00 That's right. How do I know that? 00:18:26.03\00:18:27.57 Just have a look at Chapter 13... 00:18:27.60\00:18:29.04 It's very similar, isn't it? 00:18:29.07\00:18:30.41 Of Revelation and verse 14, where it says, 00:18:30.44\00:18:32.34 "And he deceives those who dwell on the earth 00:18:35.51\00:18:37.78 by those signs," 00:18:37.81\00:18:39.15 this is talking about the apostate power, 00:18:39.18\00:18:41.85 "by those signs which he was granted to do 00:18:41.88\00:18:44.15 in the sight of the beast, 00:18:44.19\00:18:45.52 telling those who dwell on the earth 00:18:45.55\00:18:47.02 to make an image to the beast 00:18:47.06\00:18:49.62 who was wounded by the sword and lived." 00:18:49.66\00:18:51.59 Now, here's this image again. 00:18:51.63\00:18:53.43 "He was granted power to give breath 00:18:53.46\00:18:55.36 to the image of the beast, 00:18:55.40\00:18:57.20 that the image of the beast 00:18:57.23\00:18:58.87 should speak and cause as many 00:18:58.90\00:19:00.70 as would not worship 00:19:00.74\00:19:02.17 the image of the beast should be killed." 00:19:02.20\00:19:03.94 Exactly, the same as Daniel 3. 00:19:03.97\00:19:05.67 Worshiping the image. Same word. 00:19:05.71\00:19:07.44 You see, if you ignore the Old Testament, 00:19:07.48\00:19:10.45 you will never understand the New Testament 00:19:10.48\00:19:12.11 because the New Testament, 00:19:12.15\00:19:13.58 particularly Revelation is soaked 00:19:13.62\00:19:15.48 in the imagery of the Old Testament. 00:19:15.52\00:19:16.85 That's right. 00:19:16.89\00:19:18.22 And this particular chapter is soaked 00:19:18.25\00:19:19.59 in the imagery of Daniel Chapter 3. 00:19:19.62\00:19:22.46 And it says in 16, verse 16. 00:19:22.49\00:19:24.43 "He causes all, both small and great, 00:19:24.46\00:19:26.19 rich and poor, free and slave, 00:19:26.23\00:19:28.00 to receive a mark on their right hand 00:19:28.03\00:19:29.93 or on their foreheads, 00:19:29.96\00:19:31.30 and that no man might buy or sell 00:19:31.33\00:19:33.03 except one who has the mark 00:19:33.07\00:19:35.07 or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." 00:19:35.10\00:19:40.48 And so, as I said, 00:19:40.51\00:19:42.51 this story is more than just a story, 00:19:42.54\00:19:45.21 and unfortunately, there are many people 00:19:45.25\00:19:46.78 when they read the Book of Daniel 00:19:46.82\00:19:48.15 and Daniel in the lions' den likewise. 00:19:48.18\00:19:49.98 They see it as a story that happened, 00:19:50.02\00:19:52.79 but don't understand the relevance that it has 00:19:52.82\00:19:54.99 for God's people just before the end time. 00:19:55.02\00:19:57.99 And so, if we go back to Nebuchadnezzar again 00:19:58.03\00:20:00.40 and the three boys because that's 00:20:00.43\00:20:02.06 we haven't finished the story yet. 00:20:02.10\00:20:03.70 Daniel Chapter 3, as we read this now, 00:20:03.73\00:20:08.47 we would need to keep in mind that this is an illustration 00:20:08.50\00:20:12.14 of what's going to happen in the last days. 00:20:12.17\00:20:15.24 In Daniel 3 again, this time back in verse 14 00:20:15.28\00:20:19.38 where it says, "Nebuchadnezzar spoke, 00:20:19.41\00:20:22.25 saying to them, 'Is it true, 00:20:22.28\00:20:23.89 Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, 00:20:23.92\00:20:26.52 that you do not serve my gods or worship the gold image 00:20:26.55\00:20:30.93 which I have set up?' 00:20:30.96\00:20:32.53 Now if you are ready at the time 00:20:32.56\00:20:35.53 you hear the sound of the horn, the flute, the harp, 00:20:35.56\00:20:37.47 the lyre, the psaltery, in sympathy 00:20:37.50\00:20:39.40 with all kinds of music and you fall down 00:20:39.43\00:20:41.24 and worship the image which I have made, good! 00:20:41.27\00:20:45.01 But if you do not worship, you shall be cast immediately 00:20:45.04\00:20:48.58 into the midst of a burning fiery furnace. 00:20:48.61\00:20:51.01 And who is that God 00:20:51.05\00:20:53.62 who will deliver you from my hand?" 00:20:53.65\00:20:55.88 Well, that's a... that's a very defiant statement, isn't it? 00:20:55.92\00:20:59.25 Absolutely. It's a challenge. 00:20:59.29\00:21:01.46 Yes. Your God can't do this. 00:21:01.49\00:21:05.09 You have to do what I say. Exactly. 00:21:05.13\00:21:07.63 And so King Nebuchadnezzar obviously loved the boys 00:21:07.66\00:21:10.67 because he gave them a second chance, 00:21:10.70\00:21:12.07 otherwise he would have thrown them 00:21:12.10\00:21:13.97 into the fire immediately. 00:21:14.00\00:21:15.54 But he was impressed with them. 00:21:15.57\00:21:17.57 And they had impressed him no doubt over the time 00:21:17.61\00:21:20.58 that they had been captive in Babylon. 00:21:20.61\00:21:23.28 And so he wanted to give them another chance. 00:21:23.31\00:21:26.82 And so he says, 00:21:26.85\00:21:28.75 "You either turn or you burn," 00:21:28.78\00:21:33.59 it's just... it's just simple as that. 00:21:33.62\00:21:34.96 That's a good way of putting it. 00:21:34.99\00:21:36.32 Yes, as simple as that. 00:21:36.36\00:21:37.69 And they said, verse 16, 00:21:37.73\00:21:41.20 "Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego 00:21:41.23\00:21:43.77 answered and said unto the king, 00:21:43.80\00:21:45.63 'O Nebuchadnezzar, 00:21:45.67\00:21:47.07 we have no need to answer you in this matter.'" 00:21:47.10\00:21:49.54 That simply means, look, we don't have to have time 00:21:49.57\00:21:52.94 to consider our answer. 00:21:52.97\00:21:54.44 We've already thought this through. 00:21:54.48\00:21:57.65 And verse 17 says, "If that is the case, 00:21:57.68\00:22:03.49 our God whom we serve is able to deliver us 00:22:03.52\00:22:06.52 from the burning fiery furnace, 00:22:06.55\00:22:08.86 and He will deliver us from your hand, O king. 00:22:08.89\00:22:13.40 But if not let it be known to you, O king, 00:22:13.43\00:22:16.87 that we will not serve your gods, 00:22:16.90\00:22:19.37 nor will we worship the gold image 00:22:19.40\00:22:21.80 which you have set up." 00:22:21.84\00:22:23.41 I tell you that's courage. That's bravery. 00:22:23.44\00:22:25.97 Bravery, absolute courage. 00:22:26.01\00:22:27.44 Talking about valiant and the Bible talks many times 00:22:27.48\00:22:30.95 about valiant people, these guys were valiant. 00:22:30.98\00:22:34.25 Absolutely. Absolutely. 00:22:34.28\00:22:36.05 They're about to be thrown into a fiery furnace 00:22:36.08\00:22:38.12 if they didn't cooperate with the king. 00:22:38.15\00:22:40.22 And they basically said 00:22:40.26\00:22:42.22 we're not gonna cooperate with you, 00:22:42.26\00:22:43.59 throw us in there and let God do 00:22:43.63\00:22:45.03 what God's gonna do. 00:22:45.06\00:22:46.70 Their decision was made and so what happened verse 19, 00:22:46.73\00:22:49.93 "Then Nebuchadnezzar was full of fury," 00:22:49.96\00:22:52.40 now his jugular really is popping up, 00:22:52.43\00:22:54.77 "and the expression on his face changed towards Shadrach, 00:22:54.80\00:22:57.24 Meshach, and Abednego. 00:22:57.27\00:22:58.61 He spoke and commanded that they heat the furnace 00:22:58.64\00:23:01.01 seven times more than it was usually heated." 00:23:01.04\00:23:03.61 There's that seven again. Yes. 00:23:03.65\00:23:05.28 Perfect number. 00:23:05.31\00:23:06.65 Yes, and they used God's number. 00:23:06.68\00:23:08.02 Seven times hotter. 00:23:08.05\00:23:09.38 And so he commanded the men and as you read the story, 00:23:09.42\00:23:13.52 the very men who threw them 00:23:13.56\00:23:15.29 into the burning fiery furnace were destroyed. 00:23:15.32\00:23:17.33 That's how hot it was. 00:23:17.36\00:23:19.23 And they were bound as they are thrown in, 00:23:19.26\00:23:24.07 and the fire the only thing 00:23:24.10\00:23:25.77 the fire did was to burn off their... 00:23:25.80\00:23:29.30 The ropes. The ropes that bound them. 00:23:29.34\00:23:32.61 And Nebuchadnezzar looked in, he said, 00:23:32.64\00:23:35.31 "Didn't we throw three men in?" 00:23:35.34\00:23:38.58 He said, "I can see four." 00:23:38.61\00:23:40.92 And he said, 00:23:40.95\00:23:42.28 "The fourth is like the Son of Man," 00:23:42.32\00:23:45.52 and obviously, for Nebuchadnezzar to know that 00:23:45.55\00:23:50.33 that must mean that 00:23:50.36\00:23:55.06 Daniel and the three men 00:23:55.10\00:23:56.56 must have given him a very clear picture 00:23:56.60\00:23:59.33 of what God was like. 00:23:59.37\00:24:00.70 Yes. 00:24:00.74\00:24:02.07 So he recognized the force as this 00:24:02.10\00:24:04.17 Jesus there in the fire. 00:24:04.21\00:24:09.88 And so I just wonder sometimes, 00:24:09.91\00:24:12.58 Rosemary, if you and I've been there. 00:24:12.61\00:24:15.48 I like to think that we will not like this, 00:24:15.52\00:24:17.65 but maybe some of us will be there. 00:24:17.69\00:24:21.39 And we are standing there 00:24:21.42\00:24:22.76 waiting for that music to sound. 00:24:22.79\00:24:24.89 And then suddenly the music starts up. 00:24:24.93\00:24:29.53 And we say to ourselves, 00:24:29.56\00:24:31.33 "I don't wanna get into that burning fiery furnace, 00:24:31.37\00:24:33.13 I got a family to look after." 00:24:33.17\00:24:34.50 And everybody else is bowing down. 00:24:34.54\00:24:35.87 Yes, and God doesn't expect me to lose my life, 00:24:35.90\00:24:38.31 and I've got a family to look after. 00:24:38.34\00:24:40.98 I tell you what I'm going to do, 00:24:41.01\00:24:42.84 well, I'm going to bow down, 00:24:42.88\00:24:44.41 but I'm not going to be thinking about 00:24:44.45\00:24:45.78 that terrible image. 00:24:45.81\00:24:47.15 I'm going to be worshiping the God of heaven. 00:24:47.18\00:24:49.32 Some of us would have reason that way. 00:24:49.35\00:24:50.89 Yes. That's true. 00:24:50.92\00:24:52.39 I think that some of us 00:24:52.42\00:24:53.76 might have suddenly looked down at our shoes. 00:24:53.79\00:24:57.39 And notice that our shoe laces had come undone. 00:24:57.43\00:24:59.79 Oh. 00:24:59.83\00:25:01.16 And just at the time when the music sounds, 00:25:01.20\00:25:03.83 I have an urge to actually do my shoelaces up. 00:25:03.87\00:25:08.70 Now, the interesting thing is, if that would be the way, 00:25:08.74\00:25:11.74 we would have reasoned and I fear that many of us 00:25:11.77\00:25:14.71 would have come to that sort of conclusion 00:25:14.74\00:25:16.88 instead of being faithful, like, Shadrach, Meshach, 00:25:16.91\00:25:19.15 and Abednego, 00:25:19.18\00:25:20.72 that the message would have gone out 00:25:20.75\00:25:23.32 to the Babylonian Empire 00:25:23.35\00:25:24.79 of the superiority of Nebuchadnezzar 00:25:24.82\00:25:27.52 and his religion. 00:25:27.56\00:25:29.19 But instead of that, I find him saying this, 00:25:29.22\00:25:32.39 28 and 29, 00:25:32.43\00:25:33.76 this is Daniel 3:28, 29, it says, 00:25:33.80\00:25:36.16 "Nebuchadnezzar spoke, saying, 00:25:36.20\00:25:38.87 'Blessed be the God of Shadrach, 00:25:38.90\00:25:41.64 Meshach, and Abednego, 00:25:41.67\00:25:43.54 who sent His Angel and to deliver His servants 00:25:43.57\00:25:45.74 who trusted in Him, 00:25:45.77\00:25:47.11 and they have frustrated the king's word, 00:25:47.14\00:25:49.24 and yielded their bodies that they should not serve 00:25:49.28\00:25:51.68 nor worship any god except their own God!" 00:25:51.71\00:25:55.38 Therefore, I make a decree that any people, 00:25:55.42\00:25:59.05 nations or language 00:25:59.09\00:26:00.42 which speaks anything amiss against the God 00:26:00.46\00:26:02.09 of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego 00:26:02.12\00:26:04.03 shall be cut in pieces, 00:26:04.06\00:26:05.39 and their houses shall be made an ash heap, 00:26:05.43\00:26:07.30 because there is no other God who can deliver like this." 00:26:07.33\00:26:12.80 Oh, that sounds worse 00:26:12.83\00:26:15.20 than being thrown into the fiery furnace. 00:26:15.24\00:26:17.51 Well, the fact are that the message of God 00:26:17.54\00:26:20.81 went out to the whole Babylonian Empire 00:26:20.84\00:26:23.01 because they didn't hear any more about that image. 00:26:23.04\00:26:24.91 What happened to it, who knows, melted down, 00:26:24.95\00:26:27.45 but all they heard about 00:26:27.48\00:26:29.08 was the decree of Nebuchadnezzar. 00:26:29.12\00:26:31.12 And remember, he's still a pagan king 00:26:31.15\00:26:32.79 and so he's forcing people and we would think that 00:26:32.82\00:26:35.32 that's not quite the best way to go about it, 00:26:35.36\00:26:37.56 but we got to understand his, where he's coming from. 00:26:37.59\00:26:40.83 And he commands that 00:26:40.86\00:26:42.43 everybody in the Babylonian Empire bow down 00:26:42.46\00:26:45.87 and so within a week, 00:26:45.90\00:26:49.17 we could probably say, the message went out 00:26:49.20\00:26:51.74 to the four corners of the Babylonian Empire, 00:26:51.77\00:26:54.28 that the God of Shadrach, Meshach, 00:26:54.31\00:26:56.01 and Abednego is the true God. 00:26:56.04\00:26:58.61 And so, the faithful stand of these three boys 00:26:58.65\00:27:02.25 is put up in the Bible as an illustration 00:27:02.28\00:27:04.92 of what God wants us in the last days 00:27:04.95\00:27:07.22 to be faithful to Him and to His commandments. 00:27:07.26\00:27:10.79 Because that was the issue in Daniel's day 00:27:10.83\00:27:12.63 over one of the commandments. 00:27:12.66\00:27:14.30 And Revelation tells us it's the same in the last days, 00:27:14.33\00:27:18.57 the issue is going to be over the commandment, 00:27:18.60\00:27:20.94 the fourth commandment... 00:27:20.97\00:27:22.30 The worship. 00:27:22.34\00:27:23.67 And worship, how we worship God 00:27:23.71\00:27:25.04 and the day we worship on God, God, 00:27:25.07\00:27:27.14 because that's what is outlined here. 00:27:27.18\00:27:30.15 And once again, I would appeal 00:27:30.18\00:27:31.88 to all our viewers to be faithful to God. 00:27:31.91\00:27:35.35 And you can only have that type of faith 00:27:35.38\00:27:37.19 if by day by day, 00:27:37.22\00:27:38.89 we have an experience with Jesus. 00:27:38.92\00:27:41.16 That's right. Be faithful to God. 00:27:41.19\00:27:43.09 Don't let Him down and He will not let you down. 00:27:43.12\00:27:46.59 Thank you for joining us today. 00:27:46.63\00:27:48.33 I hope that you have learned a valuable lesson 00:27:48.36\00:27:50.50 that you will apply to your life. 00:27:50.53\00:27:52.53 We'll see you next time. 00:27:52.57\00:27:53.90