Hi, I'm Wintley Phipps, and welcome to our program, 00:00:27.09\00:00:30.63 Perfecting Me Becoming More Like Jesus. 00:00:30.66\00:00:34.80 I'm so glad you joined us. 00:00:34.83\00:00:36.87 My guests today on our program are Pastor Rick Mercer 00:00:36.90\00:00:40.00 of Morganton Seventh-day Adventist Church 00:00:40.04\00:00:42.10 in North Carolina. 00:00:42.14\00:00:43.71 Pastor George Fleurimond, pastor of 00:00:43.74\00:00:45.54 the West Park Seventh-day Adventist Church, 00:00:45.57\00:00:48.34 and Mrs. Adly Campos, Speaker and President of 00:00:48.38\00:00:51.88 Family Wellbeing International. 00:00:51.91\00:00:54.32 You'll hear from them a little later. 00:00:54.35\00:00:57.29 October 14th, 2012, 00:00:57.32\00:01:00.86 the world held its breath as Felix Baumgartner 00:01:00.89\00:01:04.66 leap from his capsule 00:01:04.69\00:01:06.80 and became a tiny blurry white dot 00:01:06.83\00:01:10.17 against a vast backdrop of black nothingness. 00:01:10.20\00:01:14.87 Moments later, he found himself caught in the dreaded spin 00:01:14.90\00:01:19.01 and millions of people looked on wondering 00:01:19.04\00:01:21.64 if they were about to witness a tragic ending 00:01:21.68\00:01:24.88 to Baumgartner's brave attempt. 00:01:24.91\00:01:27.82 To everyone's relief, he was able to recover 00:01:27.85\00:01:30.49 before safely landing in New Mexico 00:01:30.52\00:01:32.89 less than four and a half minutes later. 00:01:32.92\00:01:36.16 Baumgartner's body reached 00:01:36.19\00:01:37.99 Mach 1.24, 833.9 miles per hour, 00:01:38.03\00:01:44.30 which is faster than the speed of sound. 00:01:44.33\00:01:47.80 Well, that's what happens 00:01:47.84\00:01:50.14 when a person believes in an idea. 00:01:50.17\00:01:54.41 The power to believe is a character trait 00:01:54.44\00:01:57.88 that is ethically neutral. 00:01:57.91\00:02:00.15 It can be used for good or evil. 00:02:00.18\00:02:03.55 It is one of the most important and far reaching faculties 00:02:03.59\00:02:07.39 a person has. 00:02:07.42\00:02:09.02 The power to believe and the ability to choose 00:02:09.06\00:02:12.53 what we believe shapes our lives, 00:02:12.56\00:02:15.86 our circumstances, and our character, 00:02:15.90\00:02:19.77 and behavior. 00:02:19.80\00:02:21.20 And more than any other single factor, 00:02:21.24\00:02:24.37 the power to believe shapes our destiny. 00:02:24.41\00:02:29.34 Today on Perfecting Me, 00:02:29.38\00:02:31.21 we're going to be talking about the power of faith 00:02:31.25\00:02:35.02 and the power to believe, how it impacts, how it molds, 00:02:35.05\00:02:40.36 how it shapes the character of a Christian. 00:02:40.39\00:02:44.16 And you want to stay with us and you will learn so much more 00:02:44.19\00:02:48.13 of how God uses this gift of faith 00:02:48.16\00:02:52.13 to transform our character. 00:02:52.17\00:02:55.40 The power to believe is a gift. 00:02:59.91\00:03:03.08 It is a character trait that is ethically neutral, 00:03:03.11\00:03:07.12 that means it can be used for good or for evil. 00:03:07.15\00:03:12.35 It is one of the most powerful traits of character. 00:03:12.39\00:03:18.33 It is, has far reaching effects. 00:03:18.36\00:03:21.60 The power to believe and the ability to choose 00:03:21.63\00:03:25.27 what we believe shapes our lives, 00:03:25.30\00:03:28.34 circumstances, behavior, and even our destiny, 00:03:28.37\00:03:33.01 sometimes more than any other single factor. 00:03:33.04\00:03:36.11 Training yourself to believe 00:03:36.14\00:03:37.78 requires listening and responding 00:03:37.81\00:03:40.12 to the sense of destiny and God's voice 00:03:40.15\00:03:42.98 inside our souls. 00:03:43.02\00:03:44.79 It means not allowing negative thoughts 00:03:44.82\00:03:47.02 and insecurities to smother 00:03:47.06\00:03:49.42 that voice of God in our hearts. 00:03:49.46\00:03:52.09 Both of those requirements are choices which means 00:03:52.13\00:03:56.56 they are within our power to do them. 00:03:56.60\00:04:00.04 What is the faith and belief that propels you 00:04:00.07\00:04:03.54 toward your destiny? 00:04:03.57\00:04:05.67 Your grandparents might tell you, 00:04:05.71\00:04:07.64 it's faith in the American dream. 00:04:07.68\00:04:11.15 Your college professor would tell you, 00:04:11.18\00:04:14.25 most reality stars will tell you 00:04:14.28\00:04:16.58 that it's faith and believe in yourself. 00:04:16.62\00:04:19.82 A recovering alcoholic struggling 00:04:19.85\00:04:21.82 to rebuild his life will tell you, 00:04:21.86\00:04:24.23 it is faith and belief in a higher power. 00:04:24.26\00:04:28.50 From my own personal experience, 00:04:28.53\00:04:30.03 I will tell you it is faith and belief in God. 00:04:30.07\00:04:35.50 It's easy to believe in what you can see, 00:04:35.54\00:04:38.17 and touch, and hear, but to push yourself 00:04:38.21\00:04:42.04 beyond what is obvious 00:04:42.08\00:04:44.28 and believe in what you cannot initially grasp 00:04:44.31\00:04:47.85 with your own two hands, 00:04:47.88\00:04:50.12 that's when true faith and belief is born, 00:04:50.15\00:04:52.82 that's when you reach beyond your present circumstance 00:04:52.85\00:04:56.79 and you can achieve more than you know to be possible. 00:04:56.83\00:05:01.16 Without the ability to believe, we would be nothing 00:05:01.20\00:05:04.93 more than complicated organisms, 00:05:04.97\00:05:07.40 we would never search for higher life, 00:05:07.44\00:05:10.04 or try to do anything outside the realm 00:05:10.07\00:05:12.47 of existing circumstance. 00:05:12.51\00:05:14.74 We would fail to appreciate what is magnificent. 00:05:14.78\00:05:18.08 Our lives would have no majesty and no meaning 00:05:18.11\00:05:22.65 without believing. 00:05:22.68\00:05:24.45 In the psycho-economy of man, believing is the currency 00:05:24.49\00:05:28.59 that changes everything, 00:05:28.62\00:05:30.56 no matter how irrational it may seem. 00:05:30.59\00:05:33.40 Believing has the power to alter our circumstances 00:05:33.43\00:05:37.97 and rearrange our destinies. 00:05:38.00\00:05:41.47 Faith and belief have proven throughout history 00:05:41.50\00:05:44.17 to have the power to motivate the human heart. 00:05:44.21\00:05:47.61 To believe is to outgrow our fear of not living up 00:05:47.64\00:05:51.71 to our potential. 00:05:51.75\00:05:53.42 For some, ironically, it is the fear 00:05:53.45\00:05:56.58 and growing out of the fear of living up to our potential. 00:05:56.62\00:06:01.86 Believing pushes us to search, and dream, and to do. 00:06:01.89\00:06:06.70 So how does it work? 00:06:06.73\00:06:08.50 Well, you have an idea that presents itself 00:06:08.53\00:06:11.73 but it must survive the filters we have in our minds. 00:06:11.77\00:06:15.24 Filters like culture, rationality, and sensibility, 00:06:15.27\00:06:19.17 filters like prior knowledge, personal judgment, 00:06:19.21\00:06:22.48 and preferences. 00:06:22.51\00:06:23.88 In addition to personal experience, 00:06:23.91\00:06:27.02 and what we already know to be true. 00:06:27.05\00:06:30.55 If the idea that we want to believe in survives 00:06:30.59\00:06:33.52 the swinging axis of our thought processes, 00:06:33.56\00:06:37.26 it is offered up for our consideration to our will, 00:06:37.29\00:06:41.56 which then decides whether or not 00:06:41.60\00:06:44.37 to embrace the idea as a new faith 00:06:44.40\00:06:47.90 and a new belief. 00:06:47.94\00:06:49.54 At that point, we make a choice 00:06:49.57\00:06:52.97 and the idea becomes a new belief. 00:06:53.01\00:06:57.45 Have you ever noticed that 00:06:57.48\00:06:58.81 when someone embraces a faith or belief, 00:06:58.85\00:07:01.22 it's very difficult to change it or destroy it. 00:07:01.25\00:07:05.25 They will defend that faith and belief 00:07:05.29\00:07:07.62 fiercely and loyally. 00:07:07.66\00:07:09.82 Believing is so powerful, it can bend and alter 00:07:09.86\00:07:14.30 our perceptions of reality. 00:07:14.33\00:07:17.00 So be careful what you believe because faith and belief 00:07:17.03\00:07:21.97 become powerful magnets that draw people, 00:07:22.00\00:07:25.44 they draw resources, even destiny to our lives. 00:07:25.47\00:07:30.38 They change the course of your life. 00:07:30.41\00:07:33.35 If you believe you can't, you won't. 00:07:33.38\00:07:37.09 If you believe you can't succeed, you don't. 00:07:37.12\00:07:41.42 When what you believe is stronger 00:07:41.46\00:07:44.33 than what seems inevitable, 00:07:44.36\00:07:46.70 then that faith and belief becomes sacred, 00:07:46.73\00:07:49.56 its powers of persuasion motivates you 00:07:49.60\00:07:52.23 to consider possibilities others haven't dreamed of, 00:07:52.27\00:07:56.60 and they enable you to harness conviction 00:07:56.64\00:07:59.64 and confidence. 00:07:59.67\00:08:01.01 You are inspired by what you believe is possible. 00:08:01.04\00:08:06.31 You may not be trying to break world records, 00:08:06.35\00:08:09.78 but you are called to believe outside of yourself, 00:08:09.82\00:08:13.89 and that faith and belief will move you to action 00:08:13.92\00:08:18.19 because faith and belief are powerful. 00:08:18.23\00:08:22.23 According to a French philosopher, 00:08:22.26\00:08:25.53 "With power and with great power 00:08:25.57\00:08:30.54 comes great responsibility." 00:08:30.57\00:08:33.64 When it comes to using the power of faith and belief, 00:08:33.68\00:08:37.05 that means your faith and belief must be guided 00:08:37.08\00:08:41.68 by an internal compass through the merits of Christ. 00:08:41.72\00:08:46.69 Through His righteousness, by faith 00:08:46.72\00:08:50.69 your belief is, allows righteous character, 00:08:50.73\00:08:54.90 the perfection of Christian character 00:08:54.93\00:08:57.63 to be imputed to you. 00:08:57.67\00:09:00.97 Faith in Christ as the world's Redeemer 00:09:01.00\00:09:06.14 calls for an acknowledgment 00:09:06.17\00:09:08.41 of the enlightened intellect control by a heart 00:09:08.44\00:09:12.88 that can discern and appreciate the heavenly treasure. 00:09:12.91\00:09:17.92 This faith is inseparable from repentance 00:09:17.95\00:09:21.79 and transformation of character. 00:09:21.82\00:09:23.89 To have faith, that kind of faith 00:09:23.93\00:09:26.26 means to find and accept the gospel treasure 00:09:26.29\00:09:29.66 with all the obligations which it imposes. 00:09:29.70\00:09:33.44 Faith in Christ as the world's Redeemer 00:09:33.47\00:09:37.21 will allow you to acknowledge the enlightened intellect 00:09:37.24\00:09:41.08 controlled by a heart that can discern and appreciate 00:09:41.11\00:09:45.35 all the blessings of God's heavenly treasure, 00:09:45.38\00:09:49.45 and this faith is inseparable from repentance 00:09:49.48\00:09:52.85 and transformation of character. 00:09:52.89\00:09:55.72 I want you to see a video brought to us by our friends 00:09:55.76\00:09:59.49 at CBN News. 00:09:59.53\00:10:01.23 Patty Hunt is learning her way around this kitchen 00:10:06.23\00:10:08.90 in Alexandria. 00:10:08.94\00:10:10.34 A place that represents a new start 00:10:10.37\00:10:12.31 for the former inmate. 00:10:12.34\00:10:13.98 Being here has helped me to realize that 00:10:14.01\00:10:17.68 I can go back out and make something of my life. 00:10:17.71\00:10:20.72 Helping women like Patty is the goal 00:10:20.75\00:10:22.75 of Together We Bake, an organization 00:10:22.78\00:10:25.15 that empowers women with the tools they need 00:10:25.19\00:10:27.92 for a second chance in life. 00:10:27.96\00:10:30.06 Stephanie Wright, a former social worker 00:10:30.09\00:10:32.69 started the bakery with a friend 00:10:32.73\00:10:34.46 just over three years ago. 00:10:34.50\00:10:35.96 We knew there were a lot of women 00:10:36.00\00:10:37.50 in need in our area. 00:10:37.53\00:10:39.00 So started doing lots of research, 00:10:39.03\00:10:40.70 talking to lots of people about what our community was missing 00:10:40.74\00:10:43.57 and we realized that women really needed 00:10:43.61\00:10:45.27 job training and support. 00:10:45.31\00:10:47.08 They just needed to know that someone cared. 00:10:47.11\00:10:49.11 The program provides hands-on training 00:10:49.14\00:10:51.28 and personal development to give women experience 00:10:51.31\00:10:54.42 toward future employment in the food service 00:10:54.45\00:10:56.79 and hospitality industry. 00:10:56.82\00:10:59.22 They spend a lot of time 00:10:59.25\00:11:00.59 and in the first part of the program in the kitchen 00:11:00.62\00:11:02.82 so they learn all about food production 00:11:02.86\00:11:04.19 and food safety. 00:11:04.23\00:11:05.56 They get their service certificate. 00:11:05.59\00:11:07.16 Apple chips, granola and chocolate chip cookies 00:11:07.20\00:11:09.90 are just a few of the sweet treats made here. 00:11:09.93\00:11:12.33 Everything has a process. 00:11:12.37\00:11:14.77 I learned about the measurements 00:11:14.80\00:11:16.14 of the cooking, what goes into the cookies 00:11:16.17\00:11:18.31 and the packaging. 00:11:18.34\00:11:20.08 I didn't realize that when you weigh things 00:11:20.11\00:11:22.74 in these proportions 00:11:22.78\00:11:24.11 just to make their product look perfect. 00:11:24.15\00:11:26.11 While baking is the key way that the women here 00:11:26.15\00:11:28.42 at Together We Bake are empowered. 00:11:28.45\00:11:30.45 The ladies also learn recipes for success 00:11:30.49\00:11:33.59 for outside the kitchen. 00:11:33.62\00:11:35.39 So good. 00:11:39.73\00:11:41.06 Coaching classes help the women take on challenges 00:11:41.10\00:11:43.47 such as finding work, building confidence, 00:11:43.50\00:11:46.07 and dealing with family members. 00:11:46.10\00:11:47.87 They learn about communication, conflict resolution, 00:11:47.90\00:11:50.57 goal setting, all these things that really are necessary 00:11:50.61\00:11:54.61 to be successful in life. 00:11:54.64\00:11:56.18 And through all that, 00:11:56.21\00:11:57.75 they really develop the confidence 00:11:57.78\00:11:59.11 they need to believe in themselves, 00:11:59.15\00:12:01.62 to complete something. 00:12:01.65\00:12:02.98 A lot of the women will say, "I've never followed through 00:12:03.02\00:12:06.02 and completed anything, I start a lot of things." 00:12:06.05\00:12:07.96 So when they graduate, they feel so proud 00:12:07.99\00:12:10.49 and they really believe, "I can do anything 00:12:10.53\00:12:11.99 I put my mind to." 00:12:12.03\00:12:13.36 Kim Christian spent the last 20 years 00:12:13.40\00:12:15.60 in and out of prison for drugs and shoplifting. 00:12:15.63\00:12:18.63 I have to stop this vicious cycle 00:12:18.67\00:12:20.74 that I've been in, 00:12:20.77\00:12:22.20 and this program is helping me to get myself together, like, 00:12:22.24\00:12:27.88 you know, to be in society, to live normal. 00:12:27.91\00:12:31.41 Local markets including whole foods 00:12:31.45\00:12:33.98 carry the fresh baked goods 00:12:34.02\00:12:35.78 which helps to foster pride and accomplishment. 00:12:35.82\00:12:38.65 I never thought in a million years 00:12:38.69\00:12:40.12 that I would be putting cookies on the shelf 00:12:40.16\00:12:41.86 in the store to be sold. 00:12:41.89\00:12:43.22 It makes me feel so good 00:12:43.26\00:12:46.09 to see all those shiny bags on the show, 00:12:46.13\00:12:48.86 the granola we package, the apple chip we package. 00:12:48.90\00:12:51.97 And I've never seen what we had in the store 00:12:52.00\00:12:54.50 so I went there. 00:12:54.54\00:12:55.87 The red bag stands out, our label stand out. 00:12:55.90\00:12:59.84 More than 80 women have graduated from the program 00:12:59.87\00:13:03.04 which boasts of recidivism rate of just 8%. 00:13:03.08\00:13:06.38 About 60% of the women are employed which is great. 00:13:06.41\00:13:10.35 One of our recent grads, from just about a year ago, 00:13:10.39\00:13:12.82 she started her own baking business. 00:13:12.85\00:13:14.56 In the end, women are empowered with knowledge and skills 00:13:14.59\00:13:18.63 along with the hope of a better future. 00:13:18.66\00:13:21.50 It's almost like I'm giving back something, 00:13:21.53\00:13:24.97 giving back to the community 00:13:25.00\00:13:27.00 from all the wrong that I have done. 00:13:27.04\00:13:28.80 This is our second, third, and fourth chance for me 00:13:28.84\00:13:33.01 and I thank God for it. 00:13:33.04\00:13:34.41 Charlene Aaron, CBN News, Alexandria, Virginia. 00:13:34.44\00:13:38.11 Joining us again are my guests Pastor Rick Mercer, 00:13:47.02\00:13:49.86 Adly Campos, and Pastor George Fleurimond. 00:13:49.89\00:13:53.60 Faith is a mystery really. 00:13:53.63\00:13:56.97 It's very hard to describe it. 00:13:57.00\00:13:59.93 I try, and I have a little description of faith 00:13:59.97\00:14:03.77 that I give. 00:14:03.81\00:14:05.14 I believe that faith is when you grasp with your heart 00:14:05.17\00:14:09.78 what your intellect cannot comprehend 00:14:09.81\00:14:14.95 nor defend. 00:14:14.98\00:14:17.02 You know, if somebody asked you 00:14:17.05\00:14:18.75 to defend that God exists, it's almost impossible. 00:14:18.79\00:14:23.32 It takes faith to believe, as the Bible says that 00:14:23.36\00:14:27.16 He is and that He is a reward of those who seek Him. 00:14:27.20\00:14:30.43 But I have found that in your quest 00:14:30.47\00:14:34.24 to embrace character and to become like Christ, 00:14:34.27\00:14:38.84 and be Christ like in character, 00:14:38.87\00:14:41.34 faith is essential. 00:14:41.38\00:14:43.58 Sister Adly, do you believe that 00:14:43.61\00:14:46.21 faith is fundamental to building character? 00:14:46.25\00:14:52.39 Indeed it is. 00:14:52.42\00:14:53.92 We need a faith to accept Christ as our Savior. 00:14:53.96\00:14:58.33 And we need faith in Christ to be able to grow in Him 00:14:58.36\00:15:03.16 and reflect His character. 00:15:03.20\00:15:05.50 Become like Him, which is the work of the whole life. 00:15:05.53\00:15:10.41 But it is by faith that we can become 00:15:10.44\00:15:14.04 what He wants us to become. 00:15:14.08\00:15:16.78 Pastor Rick, can we really have the kind of perfection 00:15:16.81\00:15:22.18 of character that only comes through Christ, 00:15:22.22\00:15:24.99 we know that, but can we have that without faith? 00:15:25.02\00:15:30.56 No, it is impossible. 00:15:30.59\00:15:33.56 To have the righteousness of Christ without faith, 00:15:33.60\00:15:37.00 it only comes through faith. 00:15:37.03\00:15:41.17 And there can be no repentance really without faith. 00:15:41.20\00:15:46.64 Pastor Fleurimond, 00:15:46.68\00:15:48.01 what are your thoughts about that? 00:15:48.04\00:15:50.21 Well, scripture says that without faith 00:15:50.25\00:15:53.62 it is impossible to please Him. 00:15:53.65\00:15:56.75 And we look at faith and dealing with character, 00:15:56.79\00:16:01.06 we go to Hebrews and we see, 00:16:01.09\00:16:03.66 in the Hall of Faith individuals 00:16:03.69\00:16:06.49 who may have had personality issues 00:16:06.53\00:16:09.66 but had Christ like character, right? 00:16:09.70\00:16:12.37 Moses and Abraham, 00:16:12.40\00:16:13.84 and these are people who obeyed God, 00:16:13.87\00:16:15.70 and as a result of putting on Christ like, 00:16:15.74\00:16:19.01 or God like character, 00:16:19.04\00:16:20.74 they are memorialized as having strong faith. 00:16:20.78\00:16:23.65 Yes. 00:16:23.68\00:16:25.01 Now, there are two really types of character 00:16:25.05\00:16:28.95 if I can say, you know, the Bible talks about, 00:16:28.98\00:16:31.02 we must wash our robes 00:16:31.05\00:16:33.69 and it talks about the robe of Christ. 00:16:33.72\00:16:37.26 So the point is that faith is necessary 00:16:37.29\00:16:41.76 to put on the robe of Christ. 00:16:41.80\00:16:44.27 We cannot have His robe 00:16:44.30\00:16:47.14 of His righteous character without faith. 00:16:47.17\00:16:50.61 And the point we're trying to get across to people today 00:16:50.64\00:16:54.11 is that without faith, 00:16:54.14\00:16:56.51 you cannot grow your own character. 00:16:56.54\00:17:01.45 In other words, if you want to be kind, 00:17:01.48\00:17:05.79 if you want to be loving, it first requires faith, 00:17:05.82\00:17:10.66 you know, the belief that doing what God says do 00:17:10.69\00:17:15.20 will please Him. 00:17:15.23\00:17:18.10 And so we cannot have character, 00:17:18.13\00:17:21.27 real good Christian character without faith. 00:17:21.30\00:17:25.34 Do any of you have an experience or story 00:17:25.37\00:17:29.21 that shows how faith 00:17:29.24\00:17:33.35 influenced the kind of behavior 00:17:33.38\00:17:37.22 and the character in your own life? 00:17:37.25\00:17:39.29 Pastor Rick? 00:17:39.32\00:17:42.12 Yes, you know, it's, you know, faith to me is a gift 00:17:42.16\00:17:46.13 that you receive by spending time on Jesus. 00:17:46.16\00:17:49.06 And as I spend time with Jesus, 00:17:49.10\00:17:52.80 the things that I used to like to do, 00:17:52.83\00:17:56.17 I developed a hate for it 00:17:56.20\00:17:57.61 and the things I used to not want to do, 00:17:57.64\00:17:59.57 I wanted to do so by beholding Jesus, 00:17:59.61\00:18:02.61 by spending time with Jesus, I became more like Him. 00:18:02.64\00:18:05.71 Yes. 00:18:05.75\00:18:07.18 You know, the servant of Lord says that 00:18:07.22\00:18:08.75 there can be no perfection of character without faith. 00:18:08.78\00:18:15.22 How amazing is that? There can be... 00:18:15.26\00:18:18.39 And I'm talking about the character from Christ 00:18:18.43\00:18:21.13 and the character that we have to develop. 00:18:21.16\00:18:23.06 There can be no perfecting 00:18:23.10\00:18:26.03 or perfection of character without faith. 00:18:26.07\00:18:28.74 Why do you suppose that is, Sister Adly? 00:18:28.77\00:18:30.71 Why do you suppose that we cannot have His perfection 00:18:30.74\00:18:35.91 and He cannot have this work of perfecting His character 00:18:35.94\00:18:40.85 in us without faith? 00:18:40.88\00:18:45.29 Without faith, we cannot try 00:18:45.32\00:18:50.53 to really please Him and obey Him 00:18:50.56\00:18:54.20 in the way that He would want us to obey. 00:18:54.23\00:18:57.53 We accepted Him by faith. 00:18:57.57\00:19:00.04 We don't see Him, we accept His word 00:19:00.07\00:19:03.41 because we exercise faith, 00:19:03.44\00:19:07.01 and because we exercise that faith, 00:19:07.04\00:19:09.38 then we are able to believe in Him 00:19:09.41\00:19:12.31 and believe that transformation that He can make 00:19:12.35\00:19:15.88 in each one of us as we seek to spend time with Him 00:19:15.92\00:19:19.69 like Pastor Rick said, 00:19:19.72\00:19:21.09 as we seek to have communion with Him 00:19:21.12\00:19:23.36 and then we are transformed. 00:19:23.39\00:19:25.29 We are changed like, into the likeness of Christ 00:19:25.33\00:19:30.70 is the only way, is the only manner 00:19:30.73\00:19:33.50 that we can really be transformed, 00:19:33.54\00:19:35.50 having that faith that the Holy Spirit will join us. 00:19:35.54\00:19:39.27 That work of transformation will do away 00:19:39.31\00:19:42.04 with all the things that we have inherited 00:19:42.08\00:19:45.15 from our relatives, our background, 00:19:45.18\00:19:48.12 our parents, our grandparents, and at the same time 00:19:48.15\00:19:51.69 the things that we have acquired 00:19:51.72\00:19:54.06 during the times as we were growing up, 00:19:54.09\00:19:57.16 and the environment that surrounded us. 00:19:57.19\00:19:59.93 It is the Holy Spirit, the only one that when we ask 00:19:59.96\00:20:04.40 and we pray demanding that the Holy Spirit transform us 00:20:04.43\00:20:08.60 that we are changed into what Christ wants us 00:20:08.64\00:20:11.94 to change us, transform us into His likeness. 00:20:11.97\00:20:14.94 Absolutely, Pastor Fleurimond? 00:20:14.98\00:20:17.85 I wanted to say in addition to that thing, 00:20:17.88\00:20:20.05 going back to the basic biblical definition of faith. 00:20:20.08\00:20:24.99 The first part of it says 00:20:25.02\00:20:26.35 faith is a substance of things hoped for. 00:20:26.39\00:20:29.19 And I think that willing to be more like Christ, 00:20:29.22\00:20:33.53 you know, you can't experience that transformation 00:20:33.56\00:20:36.46 unless you want to become more like Christ. 00:20:36.50\00:20:38.57 And so that, you know, 00:20:38.60\00:20:39.93 activates the first half of that, you know, 00:20:39.97\00:20:42.90 the substance of things hoped for 00:20:42.94\00:20:45.07 and evidence of things not seen. 00:20:45.11\00:20:46.47 Absolutely. 00:20:46.51\00:20:47.84 I'm gonna read you something 00:20:47.88\00:20:49.21 and then I want you to react to it. 00:20:49.24\00:20:50.78 "By dwelling upon the love of God and our Savior, 00:20:50.81\00:20:55.98 by contemplating the perfection of the divine character 00:20:56.02\00:21:01.32 and claiming the righteousness of Christ as ours by faith, 00:21:01.36\00:21:08.23 we are to be transformed into the same image" 00:21:08.26\00:21:14.30 into his image. 00:21:14.34\00:21:17.24 What do you think of 00:21:17.27\00:21:18.67 when you hear those words, Pastor Rick? 00:21:18.71\00:21:22.44 I think of John 12:32. 00:21:22.48\00:21:25.08 In John 12:32, Jesus said, 00:21:25.11\00:21:28.05 "If I be lifted up, I would draw all men unto Me." 00:21:28.08\00:21:32.59 You know, His love, the love demonstrated 00:21:32.62\00:21:35.79 from the cross of Calvary would draw us away 00:21:35.82\00:21:38.86 from the grip that the world had on us, 00:21:38.89\00:21:41.56 like for instance, the world had a grip on me 00:21:41.60\00:21:45.43 and as I beheld the love of God, 00:21:45.47\00:21:48.37 that was manifested on the cross of Calvary 00:21:48.40\00:21:51.27 as I meditated on, as I thought about it, 00:21:51.31\00:21:54.38 something happened deep inside of me 00:21:54.41\00:21:56.44 that changed me forever. 00:21:56.48\00:21:59.78 The grip that sin had on my life 00:21:59.81\00:22:02.18 lost its hold as the love of God drew me. 00:22:02.22\00:22:06.02 The Bible says, "It's the love of God 00:22:06.05\00:22:08.62 that compels us. 00:22:08.66\00:22:10.99 It's the goodness of God that leads to repentance." 00:22:11.03\00:22:14.06 It says, "As we see God's love for us, 00:22:14.10\00:22:17.40 demonstrated on the cross, it pulls us away 00:22:17.43\00:22:21.60 from the grip that sin has on our life. 00:22:21.64\00:22:24.07 Yes. 00:22:24.11\00:22:25.44 Can you think, either of you, think of an experience 00:22:25.47\00:22:28.51 that you had where you had to exercise faith 00:22:28.54\00:22:32.85 like you've never exercised it before, and how it changed you? 00:22:32.88\00:22:38.92 You know, faith, again, is when you, I believe, 00:22:38.95\00:22:42.52 you believe in what you cannot prove 00:22:42.56\00:22:45.06 is going to happen and when you see it happen, 00:22:45.09\00:22:48.36 it changes you forever. 00:22:48.40\00:22:49.83 Can you think of an experience you had 00:22:49.86\00:22:51.90 where you exercised faith and it changed your life 00:22:51.93\00:22:56.14 and changed you? 00:22:56.17\00:22:57.51 Go ahead Pastor Rick, and then 00:23:01.44\00:23:02.78 we'll go to Pastor Fleurimond, really quickly. 00:23:02.81\00:23:04.25 Yes, God, I was 40 years old and God, 00:23:04.28\00:23:10.79 I felt the call of God calling me into the ministry. 00:23:10.82\00:23:14.16 I had never planned on being a pastor, 00:23:14.19\00:23:15.92 never once thought about it. 00:23:15.96\00:23:18.16 But I knew that God was calling me 00:23:18.19\00:23:21.56 into the ministry, and my wife and I 00:23:21.60\00:23:24.20 talked about it and we made a decision 00:23:24.23\00:23:26.63 that we would give the rest of our life to God, 00:23:26.67\00:23:28.77 whatever He want us to do, wherever He want us go, 00:23:28.80\00:23:31.31 we would do. 00:23:31.34\00:23:32.67 And so we were telling my family about this 00:23:32.71\00:23:36.34 and my mom says, "Well, if God want you in the ministry, 00:23:36.38\00:23:39.38 He'd provide somebody to buy your farm." 00:23:39.41\00:23:42.38 My farm was a pretty large farm, 00:23:42.42\00:23:44.45 I want something that somebody could just write 00:23:44.49\00:23:46.22 a check for in one day, and so we made a decision that day 00:23:46.25\00:23:51.89 that we would give the rest of our life to God, 00:23:51.93\00:23:54.36 sell our farm, if God want us to go into business, 00:23:54.40\00:23:57.10 into the ministry. 00:23:57.13\00:23:58.77 That night, we got a telephone call, 00:23:58.80\00:24:00.87 somebody wanted to buy our farm, 00:24:00.90\00:24:02.24 we had not every cast it. 00:24:02.27\00:24:04.24 And so, you know, I had lived my whole life, 00:24:04.27\00:24:08.58 my whole life had been, my security had been 00:24:08.61\00:24:11.81 my income making ability 00:24:11.85\00:24:13.18 with my CPA practice in my farm. 00:24:13.21\00:24:15.85 But once my farm's sold, 00:24:15.88\00:24:17.95 I had to rely completely on God for everything. 00:24:17.99\00:24:21.26 He was my security. 00:24:21.29\00:24:22.72 And so everybody thought that, that we were crazy 00:24:22.76\00:24:25.19 because no one calls somebody 40 years old into the ministry. 00:24:25.23\00:24:29.03 But three months later, I got a telephone call 00:24:29.06\00:24:32.03 from the Arkansas Louisiana conference president, 00:24:32.07\00:24:34.24 and he asked me if I would like to take over two churches. 00:24:34.27\00:24:36.57 Oh, ain't that a blessing. 00:24:36.60\00:24:37.94 And reigning that year was this song 00:24:37.97\00:24:40.14 "Great is thy faithfulness." 00:24:40.18\00:24:42.64 And God has work one miracle right after another 00:24:42.68\00:24:45.61 in our life since then. 00:24:45.65\00:24:46.98 And it changed you. 00:24:47.02\00:24:49.78 Yes, 'cause I believe in God. 00:24:49.82\00:24:51.55 I know that He is the great provider. 00:24:51.59\00:24:54.09 Pastor Fleurimond, 10 seconds, 00:24:54.12\00:24:55.56 you were about to say something. 00:24:55.59\00:24:58.16 Nothing as specific as that but basically, 00:24:58.19\00:25:00.76 I think that whenever God answers prayers, 00:25:00.80\00:25:04.03 He does it in so many different facets in my life. 00:25:04.07\00:25:06.53 Sometimes He delays the answer so that my character 00:25:06.57\00:25:09.84 can experience, can go into patience. 00:25:09.87\00:25:12.77 And so I become more patient as a result 00:25:12.81\00:25:15.71 of God's answers to my prayers have not come at the times 00:25:15.74\00:25:19.65 that I wanted them to come. 00:25:19.68\00:25:21.02 Absolutely, faith and when we exercise faith, 00:25:21.05\00:25:25.55 it draws us closer to the Lord. 00:25:25.59\00:25:29.89 It draws us closer to Christ. 00:25:29.92\00:25:32.39 When you exercise faith and you see prayers answered, 00:25:32.43\00:25:36.46 you see miracles come to your life. 00:25:36.50\00:25:38.77 All it does is just draw you in complete confidence 00:25:38.80\00:25:43.41 closer to the Lord and it changes your life. 00:25:43.44\00:25:45.97 Thank you so much for being with us. 00:25:46.01\00:25:47.34 Amen. 00:25:47.38\00:25:48.71 It is the righteousness of Christ, 00:25:53.05\00:25:55.68 His own unblemished character that through faith 00:25:55.72\00:26:00.99 is imparted to all who receive Him 00:26:01.02\00:26:03.96 as their personal savior. 00:26:03.99\00:26:06.39 It is the privilege of every soul 00:26:06.43\00:26:10.20 to reach the highest standard, 00:26:10.23\00:26:12.93 stop at no low standard in your experience. 00:26:12.97\00:26:16.20 Beware of admitting any worldly motive, 00:26:16.24\00:26:18.94 whether in the settlement of the great question 00:26:18.97\00:26:22.71 between God and your soul. 00:26:22.74\00:26:25.95 The Lord requires all there is of you 00:26:25.98\00:26:31.72 through constant improvement of every talent 00:26:31.75\00:26:35.29 that you may make a success 00:26:35.32\00:26:37.86 in the formation of Christian character. 00:26:37.89\00:26:42.56 By faith, let the Holy Spirit instruct you 00:26:42.60\00:26:47.64 that you may not only receive but impart heavenly grace. 00:26:47.67\00:26:54.34 And remember, it's not by looking away from Him 00:26:54.38\00:26:57.81 that we imitate the life of Jesus, 00:26:57.85\00:27:00.75 but by talking of Him, 00:27:00.78\00:27:02.58 by dwelling upon His perfections, 00:27:02.62\00:27:07.06 by seeking to refine the taste, 00:27:07.09\00:27:10.49 and elevate the character 00:27:10.53\00:27:13.06 by trying through faith and love, 00:27:13.09\00:27:16.60 and by earnest persevering effort to approach, 00:27:16.63\00:27:21.64 and to become closer like the perfect pattern. 00:27:21.67\00:27:26.04 By having a knowledge of Christ, 00:27:26.07\00:27:28.18 His words, His habits, and His lessons of instruction, 00:27:28.21\00:27:32.65 we claim the virtues of His character. 00:27:32.68\00:27:38.45 I'm Wintley Phipps, thank you for joining us 00:27:38.49\00:27:42.42 for Perfecting Me Becoming More Like Jesus. 00:27:42.46\00:27:45.49 And remember, 00:27:45.53\00:27:47.20 when you give your life to Christ, 00:27:47.23\00:27:49.76 you become more like Jesus. 00:27:49.80\00:27:52.03