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Welcome to Pure Choices.
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My name is Brittany Hill-Morales
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and I'm today's host.
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We have a very, very important
and serious conversation
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that are about
to take place today,
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and it is about abortion.
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But before we even
begin to have the discussion,
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let's pray.
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Dear most heavenly
Father, dear, Lord,
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we pray that you
will be with us right now,
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that you will guide
our conversation here,
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and you'll also be
with the viewers at home.
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We love you so much
and we praise your name.
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In Jesus' name. Amen.
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Amen. Amen.
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I have an amazing
group of people here with me.
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Right here, to my left,
I have Ms. Sabine Vatel.
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Over on the couch,
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we have Keith Hackle
and Mrs. Dajanae Anderson.
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Guys, thank you so
much for being here
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on Pure Choices with me.
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Abortion...
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Yeah.
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..it is a serious conversation,
it is a serious topic,
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it is a serious issue
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that is going on not
only here in the United States
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but every where.
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And there are a
lot of young ladies,
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who are hurting,
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who probably have discovered
that they are pregnant,
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and they are looking at abortion
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as if it is a good option.
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And I want us to
take at this moment,
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these next couple of minutes
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to really speak to them as if...
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just to state
that... We're gonna state...
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We know that
abortion should not happen,
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but they are
seriously looking at this,
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so let's have this conversation.
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What is abortion?
Let's start with there.
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That's a tough... it's tough,
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but in reality,
abortion is the ending of life.
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So it's someone saying,
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"You know, what this child
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that would be
brought into the world
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is not going to
have that option."
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And I'm sure it's tough,
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looking at the responsibility
of being a parent,
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looking at the
responsibilities of balancing,
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now sometimes work and life.
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I understand all of the concerns
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but there are other options.
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There are
processes like adoption.
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I would counsel and talk
with countless individuals
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who've been trying to
have children for years
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and don't have that
opportunity to do that.
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So there are ways
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in which we can do things
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and stick to what
God has prescribed for us
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and desires for us to do.
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But also dealing
with the concerns with,
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am I ready or
able to be a parent?
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Right.
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And I believe that as
our church has a stand
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against on having an abortion
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that as a church
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we should do better with
supporting the young lady
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and the young man
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to be functional parents
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or to help them
through the process of adoption
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because many of
us, you know, we say...
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We can say, easier...
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um, it's easier for us to say,
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"Don't abort your child,
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don't end the
development of life."
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But we're not as quick to say,
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"What can I do to help
you along this process?"
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And I think if that was
the stance of the church,
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this is what we're going to do,
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then it will be a lot better
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'cause the reality is that
the family system is declining.
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And so even individuals
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who are adults
and getting pregnant
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even in the context of marriage,
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sometimes the question is,
"Should I abort this baby?"
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And it's a lack of not knowing
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if I'm going to be
an adequate parent,
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because maybe I haven't
seen parenting in a good light.
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And so what are
we doing as a church
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to support those individuals
that are facing this decision.
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You know, I think
about my experience
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with a couple of young
ladies who are college students,
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who came to me as their chaplain
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to make that decision...
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First of all the
decision of having an abortion,
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whether or not you do it...
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I don't think it's
taken very lightly,
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I think most people
do not take it lightly.
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And I was glad that when
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that young person
came to me to say,
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"Well, should I
even do it or...?"
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I think, they were
looking for permission,
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which I couldn't give
permission for them to go ahead
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and have this abortion.
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And I remember needing some help
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and actually going to
the pregnancy care center,
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counseling type thing,
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and I actually went
with them to that center,
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and I was thinking,
what would their mother do?
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You know,
because they didn't want
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to tell their parents about it,
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so I was sort of the
adult that they had and...
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Let me tell you...
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I happened to go to this center
and it was so compassionate,
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and I learned so much
on how to approach somebody
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without shaming them,
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and how to explain to them
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what the abortion
is going to entail.
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I mean, they
went to great detail,
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it was heartbreaking,
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and then they went to
giving this person option
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on what this
young lady could do.
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And, you know, maybe this
is how God feels when we go...
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We do a decision
that breaks His heart.
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And to this day, I'll
never forget when this person
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because the pressure
of the guy decided...
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After all this,
after all the evidences
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decided to go ahead and do it.
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They were too afraid to
live, and to face their parents,
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and face their church,
and they had that abortion...
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And I felt like
a failure actually,
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I remember taking it
really personally and saying,
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"Man, could I have done more."
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But that decision
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is this young person
deicide to go through.
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Yes.
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It's difficult and heartbreaking
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and I know a lot of
people they agree...
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Abortion should be
legal, it should not happen,
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it should not be an option.
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But like Dajanae was saying,
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"They don't
provide the support."
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And the issue that most women
who find themselves pregnant,
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that's what they
need, that's what they want,
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a desire to be able to
make the right decision.
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So just to...
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I get to speak to people
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who have young
ladies in their church,
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in their communities.
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I'm asking them to
do more than just say,
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"Don't have an abortion."
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What is the
different types of support
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that they can
provide for these women
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who are
seriously considering it.
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And let's go with
our question first.
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Let's go with it.
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You know, for
anybody who then has a doubt
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that this is
happening within the church,
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you know, within
our church, you know...
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I was reading
that, at least in 2015,
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that 70% of the women
who go for an abortion
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are self described Christians.
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Yes.
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And many of them don't feel
they can go to their church,
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so I love your question.
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Just wanna add that.
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Yes. It's definitely happening.
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We definitely need to do
more and I would start...
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My recommendation will
be to start with prayer,
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because even as me and my wife,
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when my wife find
out she was pregnant,
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there was a concern,
there was a fear, trepidation
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as to how we were going
to make this thing work.
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And that's where we have
to go back to trusting in God
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and asking Him to how,
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"God, help us
through this thing,
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help us to deal with this thing,
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help us to put in place
some mechanisms right now
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so that when the baby gets here,
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we're ready to go."
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And the reality is
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whether you are 20
years old or 50 years old,
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you're never going to
fully be ready to have a child,
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you're going to need
God's help through that thing.
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Whether it's
through the infancy stages
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and just trying to get used to
breast feeding and or nursing.
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And just that whole process
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or whether it's
when they are a teenager
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and now they are talking
about, can they borrow the car.
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You're going to
need God's direction.
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You're going to
need his protection.
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And so I believe
starting with prayer
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is a good way to walk
people off of that ledge,
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and lead them to a
deeper understanding
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and a trust in God.
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I always ask the question
or try to frame it this way
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that the God has
allowed us to live, right?
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And He could have
easily said, "No."
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Right?
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And so we've had that privilege
and He is taking care of us,
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so we must trust him
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to also take care of
this child who's developing.
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Right.
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I will back you and
I love the idea also...
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And I'm glad you said
something about prayer,
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but also somehow find a
way to affirm the person.
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Because I do have
examples of young ladies
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who did not go through with it,
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and who did not feel
they were worthy enough
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to even have the baby,
or didn't have what it took.
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And I think that
prayer is part of building up
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that self-esteem like,
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yes, God is gonna
help you through this.
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And for them to
look back and say,
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"Well, I almost didn't have
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this precious
thing that I'm holding.
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Almost didn't have that baby."
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And to affirm that person,
not shaming them but to say,
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"You know what, the
Lord is gonna help you
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and you're gonna
have what it takes,
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you're worthy of
this motherhood."
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And I think that as
churches, local churches,
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there is a way to
put together ministries,
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maybe not just for
the youth at the church,
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but also as a ministry,
as an evangelistic effort
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kind of a
ministry that's consistent,
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where there is counseling,
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there are
individuals from the church
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that are financially
supporting this ministry
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to be able to
guide these individuals
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to get groceries
when they have the child.
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People who...
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You know, maybe you're
retired and you've had children,
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and you've had grandchildren,
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and there are
people in the community
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who don't have
the parental figures
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like you can be in their life.
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Going with them to the
grocery store and saying,
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"You should get your daughter,
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you know, this kind
of food or your son,
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this kind of food
or these diapers..."
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But that's, that's...
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But being available
to this young person
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or to this adult
that may be struggling.
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They need to know before hand,
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before either having the
child or aborting the child,
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"Will I have a support system?
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And if I...
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maybe I'm well off,
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maybe I have a
really, really good job,
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but my husband
works all the time
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and I work all the time,
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and I need a support system."
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Because that village
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that we used to
have in raising children
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is not in existence
as much as it used to be.
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It's still present,
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but it's not as
dominant in our society,
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but we all can be a
part of someone's community.
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And I think that's something
that we need to hear as we,
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I say get pregnant
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and need some help
in making the decision
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whether to abort, since the laws
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are that I can
or to keep my child,
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and be able to raise my
child as a God fearing person.
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I think the reality...
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Just wanting to
make sure this is clear.
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We're not telling
people, young ladies,
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and abortion is even relevant
even in your 20s or 30s.
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We're not saying it is okay
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for you to have non-marital sex.
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Right.
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We wanna make sure
that's not what we're saying.
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But in the era that you did
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and now you find
yourself in this position,
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and you're
wondering what do I do?
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Because we say the
church, we feel like,
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the person might feel as
if the church will judge them,
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the issue of being censored...
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Having to deal with all
these stuff full of shame,
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you're pregnant and you're told
you have to leave the church,
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you can't really be here,
you can't have this position,
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you can't do this.
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Or even if you have certain jobs
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in our institutions
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if you become a pregnant,
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it's either you abort the child,
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and you still have your
job or you keep the child,
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and you don't have
the way to feed the child.
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And for us is that we
need to ensure as a church
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that has a strong
stance against abortion,
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we have to ensure that we have
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a way to help these people that,
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"Yes, you made a mistake.
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And, yes, we want to
help you get forgiveness,
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repentance and all
that different stuff.
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There is still
another factor to it
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that there is a child within you
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and we don't
want you to go away,
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hide in a corner,
and abort this child."
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That's a good point.
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And I just wanna
feed a little bit more,
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build a little bit more on that
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the process that the church has.
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And I'm a fan of the
process when we do it right.
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I think historically,
and this is why we end up
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with these situations.
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Historically, we haven't
done disciplined right, right?
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It's more of let me
smack you on a hand,
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tell you you're wrong,
and it's not redemptive.
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But if we look at the way
that the structure is set up
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as it relates to
church discipline.
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It's actually
designed to be redemptive,
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so we wanna make
this stance and say,
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"Listen, this is
not what we stand for."
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Right.
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And sometimes there has
to be that example for those
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who'll come behind to see,
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"Oh, this is not
what Christians do,
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this is not what Adventists do."
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So the process
if we do it right,
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it's a beautiful thing,
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and so we need to make sure
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that we're doing
it the right way.
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And then when individuals
are making decisions,
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we need to educate them,
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we need to
communicate with them.
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And I wanna touch
on something to that,
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that to not let the
audience misconstrue this thing.
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The man is just as
important in the conversation
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as the woman.
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And there's a lot of
things associated with abortion
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that after the fact.
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It might be 5 years, 10
years down the line, right?
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And you're still emotionally,
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dealing with this
thing that has happened.
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So we wanna bring
the man and let him know,
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dude, you need to
be present, right?
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Yes.
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It's not just be
involved in the other thing
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and now this is, this is
the females responsibility.
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No, you need to be present
because there is a lot of guys
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who've experienced
their significant other
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getting an abortion
and even they're affected.
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And 18 years down the
line, they're thinking like,
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"Wow, my son or
daughter would have been
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18 years older at this time."
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You know, what I mean?
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And so we just need to make sure
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that they were having the
talk, having the conversation,
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before we get to
even a point of having
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to make a
decision on whether or not
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we're going to follow
through with this abortion
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because the world will
tell us, that it's okay.
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But we must
understand that there is things
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that the world will say,
00:16:02.19\00:16:03.53
okay, that God has
explicitly said are not okay.
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Right.
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And I would just, you know,
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this is very
accurate in 1 Corinthians,
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I believe 6:5, 5
and 6 talks about
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how when you deal with
discipline in the church,
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when there is someone
who is explicitly sinning,
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and everybody knows
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that this person has chosen sin
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and consistently choose a sin...
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And that you are to discipline
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or that person
is to be cast out.
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But the Bible says that,
that person is to be cast out
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or handed over to the devil.
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So that they may return,
so that they may be restored,
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so that they may
return from their ways,
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and know that
Christ way is better.
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And it's not they
should figure it out themself,
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but they're
supposed to be a active part
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that you're
still supposed to play
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in that person's
life through that process.
00:17:01.85\00:17:04.12
You're not handing them over
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just because they're gonna
defile the rest of the group.
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That's not a loving reaction.
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And I say, sin,
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and I don't
think we think about...
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I don't think enough
of us think about abortion
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like do we
classify abortion as a sin.
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There are
different views about the,
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what's happening
medically with the body...
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What's actually
happening with the body
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and because the child does
not yet have the breath of life,
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that the child is not yet alive.
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I know that's a view that exists
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and so is it murder
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or is it something
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that may not be
considered as harsh as murder,
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but something softer
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but close still in that category
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of ending a life
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that you actually participated,
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that you actually
created, you actually...
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You went through the process
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knowingly in a way
that this was a possibility.
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And I think that goes into,
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"What if I was raped then what?
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It's very, very difficult
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and there are
some circumstances,
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where a person's
life may be in jeopardy.
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And so what do you
do and I've heard of,
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haven't necessarily
experienced these situations
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where mom and baby
are in a bed, right?
00:18:39.75\00:18:43.02
And the doctor is like,
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"Listen, you're
gonna lose one of them."
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Right. You got to
make that decision.
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And I've heard a mother saying,
00:18:47.42\00:18:48.89
"Listen, keep the
baby, loose me." Right?
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And so that the husband
has to make that decision.
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And so there are circumstances
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where you have to make
a decision, but where...
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I believe we're talking
about in the optimal situation
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where it's not life at
stake, but you're just saying,
00:19:04.51\00:19:07.64
"Listen, I don't
wanna go through with this."
00:19:07.68\00:19:10.61
There is a old
saying, you've made your bed,
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now you got to lie on it, right?
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And that's the thing.
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And so now we're
trusting in God to say,
00:19:15.78\00:19:17.49
"Hey, help me go
beyond this point."
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And as a church we do,
00:19:20.12\00:19:21.89
we do need to be more
active in this process,
00:19:21.92\00:19:26.63
because you don't
want individuals...
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This is another
thing that has happened
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and I've experienced this
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where they will pursue getting
an abortion right now, right?
00:19:31.97\00:19:37.67
But then want to
continue going on
00:19:37.71\00:19:40.18
latter with the opportunity
of having more children.
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Okay, well, you plan to
have children in the future,
00:19:43.28\00:19:45.38
but you just don't
wanna do this thing right now.
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And so now it's
more about me, right?
00:19:48.85\00:19:51.69
It's not about
me representing God,
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it's about me glorifying self.
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And that's when we
get ourselves in trouble.
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Right.
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And I think, I was informed...
00:19:58.73\00:20:00.90
I was informed that
on the issue of rape
00:20:00.93\00:20:05.20
and getting pregnant
as the result of rape.
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That's less than
1% of the reasons
00:20:08.24\00:20:12.44
why people
actually get abortions.
00:20:12.47\00:20:14.91
And so the
position of the church
00:20:14.94\00:20:18.11
is not that
abortion should never,
00:20:18.15\00:20:21.08
ever, ever, ever,
ever happen as you say,
00:20:21.12\00:20:24.12
Keith, there's some people
00:20:24.15\00:20:25.79
have to make that
decision because the...
00:20:25.82\00:20:28.82
Pregnancy can
actually take their life.
00:20:28.86\00:20:31.13
And so then that's like,
that's a grey area of is this,
00:20:31.16\00:20:37.13
should I make, what
decision should I make?
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Which decision will
God want me to make?
00:20:39.27\00:20:42.80
Is it selfish
that I want to live
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and this child
doesn't even understand
00:20:45.07\00:20:46.84
the meaning of life yet?
00:20:46.88\00:20:49.28
And so that...
00:20:49.31\00:20:50.65
But those circumstances
are less, like you said,
00:20:50.68\00:20:54.68
the thing that
we're discussing here
00:20:54.72\00:20:57.72
is the individual who has chosen
00:20:57.75\00:21:00.89
to participate in intercourse,
00:21:00.92\00:21:03.49
whether in the
context of marriage
00:21:03.53\00:21:05.66
or outside of the context
of marriage and is now saying,
00:21:05.69\00:21:09.43
"I don't want the product
00:21:09.46\00:21:11.00
or the result of what I
chose to participate in."
00:21:11.03\00:21:16.27
That is exactly what
we are talking about,
00:21:16.30\00:21:19.11
but as you said it before,
00:21:19.14\00:21:20.71
there are those extreme cases
00:21:20.74\00:21:22.44
and Seventh-day
Adventist church,
00:21:22.48\00:21:24.65
we have a stance that says,
00:21:24.68\00:21:26.15
in those extreme
most severe cases
00:21:26.18\00:21:29.58
they make
exceptions for abortion,
00:21:29.62\00:21:32.72
because it's not initially
00:21:32.75\00:21:35.46
what God
intended to concerns of...
00:21:35.49\00:21:38.16
As you said, Keith, before
00:21:38.19\00:21:39.79
"Do I choose me or my child
and the life of the child?"
00:21:39.83\00:21:44.87
But there are people who do say,
00:21:44.90\00:21:46.94
"No, I'm not going
to have the abortion,
00:21:46.97\00:21:49.27
I'm going to have this child."
00:21:49.30\00:21:52.01
And it's interesting
the flip that happens,
00:21:52.04\00:21:57.48
when someone has a child
00:21:57.51\00:22:00.48
that might have
some sort of disability
00:22:00.52\00:22:03.89
and they say, "I'm
going to have the child."
00:22:03.92\00:22:06.42
How the church responds?
00:22:06.45\00:22:08.29
If they're healthy,
00:22:08.32\00:22:09.66
and they're gonna
have a healthy child.
00:22:09.69\00:22:11.19
Okay, yes, sure you
must definitely have it.
00:22:11.23\00:22:13.36
But if the child is
"not" we might assume
00:22:13.40\00:22:15.93
is not healthy or not perfect,
00:22:15.96\00:22:18.37
people might be
like, "What you doing,
00:22:18.40\00:22:20.24
it's a no-brainer.
00:22:20.27\00:22:21.60
You should have the abortion."
00:22:21.64\00:22:23.20
They need to have support,
00:22:23.24\00:22:25.37
if there that's
gonna be their decision,
00:22:25.41\00:22:27.11
because it's gonna be
a hard journey for them
00:22:27.14\00:22:30.28
to try to provide the best
that child can possibly have.
00:22:30.31\00:22:33.72
Right.
00:22:33.75\00:22:35.08
And even for the case where
it is option between my wife
00:22:35.12\00:22:38.52
or she told me
to choose the baby,
00:22:38.55\00:22:40.36
I choose the baby.
00:22:40.39\00:22:41.72
Now I'm all alone.
00:22:41.76\00:22:43.09
And that's part of
00:22:43.12\00:22:44.59
we have an excellent
system in place by the church,
00:22:44.63\00:22:48.16
it's just that all the
churches are not utilizing it
00:22:48.20\00:22:51.83
to strengthen
that causes the family
00:22:51.87\00:22:54.17
to make sure they are...
00:22:54.20\00:22:55.54
everyone is educated not
just only our young people,
00:22:55.57\00:22:59.14
young adults, middle class,
00:22:59.17\00:23:01.08
a lot of other
people are confused
00:23:01.11\00:23:03.35
and don't really...
00:23:03.38\00:23:05.08
It's kind of interesting
00:23:05.11\00:23:06.75
that a lot of people
don't fully understand
00:23:06.78\00:23:08.62
that sex produces children.
00:23:08.65\00:23:10.92
It's like it
clicks but doesn't click.
00:23:10.95\00:23:13.19
And we have a
responsibility as the church,
00:23:13.22\00:23:17.46
we have responsibility in
our local communities to speak
00:23:17.49\00:23:22.23
and say something
00:23:22.26\00:23:23.60
and be that support and to help.
00:23:23.63\00:23:27.74
And I can't keep on saying
support, support, support,
00:23:27.77\00:23:30.91
more than enough because,
00:23:30.94\00:23:32.37
yes, we do want
to condemn the sex.
00:23:32.41\00:23:34.94
Yes, we do want to
state that it was a sin
00:23:34.98\00:23:37.05
that it shouldn't have
happened in that context.
00:23:37.08\00:23:39.75
But prenatal
life, that's one thing
00:23:39.78\00:23:42.48
that we need to remember is
00:23:42.52\00:23:44.42
God chooses for the child
00:23:44.45\00:23:48.99
to be created.
00:23:49.02\00:23:51.43
He could have said, "No."
00:23:51.46\00:23:53.46
Even though it was
happening at that time
00:23:53.50\00:23:55.93
where it shouldn't...
00:23:55.96\00:23:57.30
where nothing should
have been taken place.
00:23:57.33\00:23:58.93
He still said,
"Yes, prenatal life
00:23:58.97\00:24:01.07
is precious to him."
00:24:01.10\00:24:03.27
Because that child was
00:24:03.30\00:24:04.64
still being formed
in the image of God.
00:24:04.67\00:24:06.78
So when we look at
life in that fashion
00:24:06.81\00:24:09.64
that it is not just
something that can happen
00:24:09.68\00:24:12.75
just by exhaling.
00:24:12.78\00:24:15.22
We have to help these...
00:24:15.25\00:24:20.96
Not just the women also the men.
00:24:20.99\00:24:22.32
And Keith
wanted to take a minute
00:24:22.36\00:24:23.69
to talk about the men.
00:24:23.73\00:24:25.06
Yeah.
00:24:25.09\00:24:26.43
Because there is strong
cases where he wants that baby,
00:24:26.46\00:24:31.03
he found out and he
smiling from ear to ear,
00:24:31.07\00:24:33.57
and she is like
what is wrong with you.
00:24:33.60\00:24:35.54
That's what we're talking about
how we just view for the men.
00:24:35.57\00:24:38.84
If I can just share a story
00:24:38.87\00:24:40.21
and did before I
talk about the men.
00:24:40.24\00:24:42.41
Just an example of
support, we were at a church
00:24:42.44\00:24:46.75
and a young lady ended
up pregnant, this was...
00:24:46.78\00:24:49.88
They weren't married
00:24:49.92\00:24:51.25
and so she's considering whether
00:24:51.29\00:24:53.22
she should get an abortion.
00:24:53.25\00:24:54.72
And so we know that
there is this process now
00:24:54.76\00:24:57.29
the church knows
that she is pregnant,
00:24:57.33\00:24:58.66
we have to do the
whole church discipline
00:24:58.69\00:25:00.06
and things like that.
00:25:00.10\00:25:01.43
But I think maybe
individuals may need an example
00:25:01.46\00:25:04.00
of what support looks like.
00:25:04.03\00:25:05.63
And so we're not condoning.
00:25:05.67\00:25:07.30
We didn't, as a church
condone the act, right?
00:25:07.34\00:25:11.41
But as you mentioned
having a baby come to full term
00:25:11.44\00:25:14.51
and be brought into
this world is a blessing.
00:25:14.54\00:25:16.44
There are millions and
millions of individuals
00:25:16.48\00:25:18.58
who would love to
have that experience.
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It's a blessing. And
so what we did was...
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We did the whole
church discipline thing,
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but I then came to the
church and I said, listen,
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we're now
responsible for this child,
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this is our child.
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We didn't have the
conversations before,
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and so we're going to
now take responsibility.
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This is not just
her having a baby.
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This is us having a baby.
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So we're gonna
plan the baby shower
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and this could be
considered difficult or things
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like that for some people.
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But we're gonna
plan the baby shower
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and we're not promoting the act,
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but we're embracing the
fact that there is a baby,
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an innocent baby
coming into this world.
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Who now we have to support
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and gather
around to the support,
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to the point of the
man he wanted the child,
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but he didn't necessarily
want the responsibility.
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And so we had to have a deeper
discussion there as well...
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And it takes communication,
it takes communication,
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it takes support,
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and it takes us doing things
in a way that is redemptive,
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and restores individuals
back to their rightful stage,
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and not tears them down.
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And I think when
people know that,
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then they will be able
to make a better decision.
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You know, Keith, you mentioned
about embracing the baby,
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the baby shower
even and, you know,
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I've been a part of a community
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that even has had
dedication of the baby itself
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who's a innocent life.
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And I think this is
about the church support
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to simply being an extension
of who Jesus is and Jesus...
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Where He would go and
how He would treat people.
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So discipline is
not, it seem like shunning
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and this is an
opportunity for God's grace.
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That's right.
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I think one thing to...
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as we're summing-up
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that we need to have take
responsibility for our actions.
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Yeah.
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I understand that sex
really did produced this child
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and to press forward with that
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and just to do what
God is calling us to do.
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We want you to keep on
having the conversation,
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it is not an easy topic,
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there is a lot of
different stances,
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and views, and perspectives,
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but what is it
that God is calling you
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to do in regards
to their situation,
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to support maybe a young
lady that you see in the church
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who is pregnant
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and maybe she might be
considering absorption.
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What can you do in your churches
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to support our young
people, not even young people,
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any age group to
make the right decision.
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The Bible talks
about the fear of the Lord
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and also that
children are a gift from God.
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So as you're
contemplating what to do,
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pray to God and
make pure choices.
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That's right.
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