The following program discusses sensitive issues. 00:00:03.23\00:00:05.90 Parents are cautioned that some material 00:00:05.93\00:00:07.77 may be too candid for younger children. 00:00:07.80\00:00:10.11 Good day. Welcome to Pure Choices. 00:00:44.57\00:00:47.14 Yes, we have a really good program 00:00:47.18\00:00:49.41 for you today. 00:00:49.44\00:00:50.78 And I have such an amazing esteemed panel with me. 00:00:50.81\00:00:54.28 Of course, my wonderful husband Xavier Morales. 00:00:54.32\00:00:58.29 Over here, we have Jacques LaGuerre. 00:00:58.32\00:01:00.72 We have Ms. Myesha Lawson 00:01:00.76\00:01:03.73 and Mr. Timothy Lawson, her husband. 00:01:03.76\00:01:06.90 Today, we are talking about having covenant eyes. 00:01:06.93\00:01:11.03 Yes, pornography, 00:01:11.07\00:01:12.87 before we jump right into it, let's pray. 00:01:12.90\00:01:16.37 Dear kind most Heavenly Father, 00:01:16.40\00:01:18.04 I pray to Lord that you will be with us as a panel 00:01:18.07\00:01:20.84 and You also be with the viewers at home, 00:01:20.88\00:01:22.88 that you will bless our time together, dear Lord, 00:01:22.91\00:01:25.51 that we can be able to make pure choices, 00:01:25.55\00:01:27.68 in Jesus' name, Amen. 00:01:27.72\00:01:29.85 Amen 00:01:29.88\00:01:31.45 Pornography, what is it? 00:01:31.49\00:01:37.86 Go ahead, Jacques. 00:01:37.89\00:01:39.23 I say pornography could be described 00:01:39.26\00:01:40.73 as anything that you use to get some sort of unlawful, 00:01:40.76\00:01:45.37 unbiblical sexual expression or any sort of sexual high. 00:01:45.40\00:01:51.97 Anybody else? 00:01:52.01\00:01:53.58 Any... 00:01:53.61\00:01:54.94 Because there's different degrees of pornography. 00:01:54.98\00:01:56.34 There's, you know, hard porn, soft porn, pictures, videos 00:01:56.38\00:01:59.78 or I think it's any type of sexual display 00:01:59.81\00:02:04.19 that's used to arouse, you know, another person. 00:02:04.22\00:02:10.43 Good. And anybody else? 00:02:10.46\00:02:12.19 I think it's also something, you know, any type of, 00:02:12.23\00:02:14.86 like Tim said, you know, videos, pictures 00:02:14.90\00:02:17.37 or anything that would stimulate your pleasuredome, 00:02:17.40\00:02:21.30 your pleasure centre of your brain 00:02:21.34\00:02:22.67 to find some sort of, you know, release. 00:02:22.70\00:02:27.31 So are they like different forms of pornography? 00:02:27.34\00:02:31.78 Yes, there is. 00:02:31.81\00:02:33.62 In my experience of pornography, 00:02:33.65\00:02:37.32 I was the one who took pictures. 00:02:37.35\00:02:42.86 Different poses, different backgrounds, 00:02:42.89\00:02:46.09 different clothing 00:02:46.13\00:02:47.46 if not wearing any at all, was a form of pornography. 00:02:47.50\00:02:51.67 I'm the one that they're going to look at, 00:02:51.70\00:02:53.84 I'm the one that is going to arouse them. 00:02:53.87\00:02:56.67 And then in other form of pornography is 00:02:56.71\00:02:59.57 when I was a dancer. 00:02:59.61\00:03:02.24 I'm on stage touching and feeling on myself 00:03:02.28\00:03:06.48 and the guy is looking at me, 00:03:06.51\00:03:09.45 so I'm doing live porn or live pornography 00:03:09.48\00:03:13.89 and those are the two different, 00:03:13.92\00:03:16.62 you know, pornographies. 00:03:16.66\00:03:18.76 Well, there are different types of porn 00:03:18.79\00:03:20.23 and different degrees of porn. 00:03:20.26\00:03:21.80 And so obviously, there's two main... 00:03:21.83\00:03:25.30 the three main types would be the pictures, movies 00:03:25.33\00:03:29.60 or, you know, live shows. 00:03:29.64\00:03:32.31 And in each one of those categories, 00:03:32.34\00:03:34.14 you have the two categories of soft pornography 00:03:34.18\00:03:38.01 and hard pornography. 00:03:38.05\00:03:40.38 And so soft would be more of showing people in the nude, 00:03:40.42\00:03:45.95 maybe just kissing 00:03:45.99\00:03:47.36 and heavy touching and things like that 00:03:47.39\00:03:49.56 and hardcore pornography 00:03:49.59\00:03:51.46 is always heavy sexual positions 00:03:51.49\00:03:54.30 showing every body part and showing heavy penetration 00:03:54.33\00:03:59.07 and so those are kind of the categories it's been in. 00:03:59.10\00:04:02.80 I think another form of softcore porn 00:04:02.84\00:04:05.27 that comes to mind 00:04:05.31\00:04:06.74 and is very prevalent on social media is, 00:04:06.78\00:04:09.64 you know, I call it selfie porn, 00:04:09.68\00:04:12.75 you know, where you have, 00:04:12.78\00:04:14.12 you know, different people taking pictures of themselves, 00:04:14.15\00:04:17.85 you know, have clothes or, you know, exposing 00:04:17.89\00:04:21.82 and I have seen these, you know, not just in males 00:04:21.86\00:04:24.26 but you see in females 00:04:24.29\00:04:25.86 where they expose themselves so much in that picture 00:04:25.89\00:04:29.00 that it pretty much leaves nothing to the imagination 00:04:29.03\00:04:32.13 and it's all over, you know, the internet. 00:04:32.17\00:04:35.57 And these are pictures that they use too 00:04:35.60\00:04:37.31 when they are sexting as well. 00:04:37.34\00:04:40.24 Also I want to interject something else. 00:04:40.28\00:04:42.58 And also some porn, softcore porn 00:04:42.61\00:04:46.08 like he said with the pictures 00:04:46.11\00:04:47.78 can be anything that arouses you. 00:04:47.82\00:04:50.82 There are certain things out there maybe a lingerie picture 00:04:50.85\00:04:53.82 or a lingerie magazine, 00:04:53.86\00:04:55.19 now a woman might look at it 00:04:55.22\00:04:56.56 because she's trying to buy different bra and panties. 00:04:56.59\00:04:59.19 But to a guy, that could be a form of pornography 00:04:59.23\00:05:02.03 that he could stimulate himself off of to. 00:05:02.06\00:05:04.83 So something that seems innocent 00:05:04.87\00:05:06.74 can be perverted by the devil used for other things to. 00:05:06.77\00:05:10.51 Okay. 00:05:10.54\00:05:11.87 And to talk about 00:05:11.91\00:05:13.24 what Xavier was talking about with a selfie porn, 00:05:13.27\00:05:16.78 I was watching a video of a young girl 00:05:16.81\00:05:19.11 she was 14, 00:05:19.15\00:05:20.85 and she was uploading pictures to Facebook of herself 00:05:20.88\00:05:23.45 in all these risky positions 00:05:23.49\00:05:25.82 and, you know, her cleavage is exposed 00:05:25.85\00:05:28.99 and someone in the porn industry 00:05:29.02\00:05:31.53 saw that picture and began to run with it. 00:05:31.56\00:05:35.60 And now her picture is on like the sites 00:05:35.63\00:05:38.20 and all these advertisement 00:05:38.23\00:05:39.67 and all the banners of thousands of websites. 00:05:39.70\00:05:44.04 And they tried to contact the police, 00:05:44.07\00:05:46.11 there's a 14-year old girl, 00:05:46.14\00:05:47.81 but because she was not fully nude 00:05:47.84\00:05:49.74 the police couldn't do anything about it. 00:05:49.78\00:05:52.28 And so she had to change schools, 00:05:52.31\00:05:55.62 she was getting death threats, she was getting rape threats, 00:05:55.65\00:05:58.95 all this stuff was going on. 00:05:58.99\00:06:00.99 And one of the things that she says 00:06:01.02\00:06:03.09 at the end of the video is, 00:06:03.12\00:06:05.59 "I don't know why this happened to me 00:06:05.63\00:06:07.73 because, all of my friends 00:06:07.76\00:06:09.10 have pictures of the same quality on Facebook, 00:06:09.13\00:06:14.34 on social media." 00:06:14.37\00:06:16.00 And so these are the things that we have to be careful of 00:06:16.04\00:06:18.47 not to post these things on social media websites 00:06:18.51\00:06:21.64 thinking that nobody will see them. 00:06:21.68\00:06:23.38 So you're kind of saying 00:06:23.41\00:06:24.75 that there are different levels of danger 00:06:24.78\00:06:26.25 when it comes to pornography. 00:06:26.28\00:06:28.15 Definitely. Oh, yeah, most definitely. 00:06:28.18\00:06:31.12 The dangers are, I mean, it can become an addiction. 00:06:31.15\00:06:36.22 You know, it's... 00:06:36.26\00:06:39.33 I mean, I think it became an addiction for me. 00:06:39.36\00:06:42.56 I'm the one that's maybe performing, 00:06:42.60\00:06:46.03 you know, the pornography, 00:06:46.07\00:06:48.80 but it became an addiction to me 00:06:48.84\00:06:51.21 because I'm the one that's giving it, 00:06:51.24\00:06:54.81 you know, and I like the attention. 00:06:54.84\00:06:57.11 So those are the dangers to it 00:06:57.15\00:06:58.51 and obviously if you're getting attention that you want, 00:06:58.55\00:07:01.28 you are going to constantly keep doing it. 00:07:01.32\00:07:03.02 And it became damaging to me 00:07:03.05\00:07:05.02 for as myself worth, my mind, my physical body 00:07:05.05\00:07:11.49 because I wanted to change my body 00:07:11.53\00:07:13.13 to get more attention or to get more money for it, 00:07:13.16\00:07:16.93 and those were the damaging things. 00:07:16.97\00:07:19.70 Like can it go worse than just being an addiction? 00:07:19.73\00:07:22.20 Can it get more crazy 00:07:22.24\00:07:23.57 when you start doing pornography? 00:07:23.61\00:07:24.94 Oh, yeah. 00:07:24.97\00:07:26.31 That can get really crazy 00:07:26.34\00:07:27.68 because the person can start to get infatuated 00:07:27.71\00:07:33.28 with whoever they are looking at, 00:07:33.31\00:07:34.82 whoever they're talking to, 00:07:34.85\00:07:36.82 and all that stuff and they can become a... 00:07:36.85\00:07:39.05 you know, they can stalk the person, 00:07:39.09\00:07:40.96 they can potentially end up 00:07:40.99\00:07:43.83 having an incorrect fantasy about the person 00:07:43.86\00:07:47.70 and actually maybe want to hurt them. 00:07:47.73\00:07:50.87 The thing is with pornography like sex and other things, 00:07:50.90\00:07:55.74 it targets the brain, the chemicals in the brain. 00:07:55.77\00:07:58.77 And with pornography 00:07:58.81\00:08:00.28 because it's unrealistic situation, 00:08:00.31\00:08:03.81 it's not real, 00:08:03.85\00:08:05.58 you trigger things in the brain, 00:08:05.61\00:08:08.38 your chemical synopsis, the chemistry, 00:08:08.42\00:08:10.89 you completely alter your brain to the point 00:08:10.92\00:08:14.09 where it does increase. 00:08:14.12\00:08:15.46 You know, you have people that start off 00:08:15.49\00:08:17.73 with softcore porn or even magazines 00:08:17.76\00:08:20.06 and increase from there to hardcore, 00:08:20.10\00:08:21.53 and then from there to bondage, 00:08:21.56\00:08:23.87 and you have private forums 00:08:23.90\00:08:25.87 that engage in things like murder porn. 00:08:25.90\00:08:29.67 Murder porn, such as, you know, 00:08:29.70\00:08:31.61 people killing other people literally 00:08:31.64\00:08:33.41 and then engaging in necrophilia 00:08:33.44\00:08:35.04 which is having sex with a dead body. 00:08:35.08\00:08:38.18 And these are private forms to the point where, 00:08:38.21\00:08:41.08 you know, a lot of manpower has been devoted 00:08:41.12\00:08:43.85 to catching these perps. 00:08:43.89\00:08:46.25 But because of these people, the way they do things, 00:08:46.29\00:08:49.72 sometimes they're not caught and so you have not just murder 00:08:49.76\00:08:53.83 but you're also having, 00:08:53.86\00:08:55.20 you know, engaging in sex with their bodies 00:08:55.23\00:08:57.50 and it all started with softcore porn. 00:08:57.53\00:09:01.77 I was thinking about it. 00:09:01.80\00:09:03.14 People, they get into the pornography 00:09:03.17\00:09:04.51 for so many different reasons like three 00:09:04.54\00:09:06.51 that I can think of is maybe stress. 00:09:06.54\00:09:09.14 They're dealing with high levels of stress 00:09:09.18\00:09:10.55 so they go on like, 00:09:10.58\00:09:11.91 "I'm just going to find a little bit of release. 00:09:11.95\00:09:13.78 I'm going to watch pornography to help me decompress." 00:09:13.82\00:09:16.65 Or if they have depression, 00:09:16.69\00:09:18.65 they use it to help with that depression 00:09:18.69\00:09:20.39 to try to get them on that different level where, 00:09:20.42\00:09:23.66 "Okay, I'm not so hurry. 00:09:23.69\00:09:25.23 Don't feel so bad about life. 00:09:25.26\00:09:26.76 If I watch a little pornography, 00:09:26.80\00:09:28.13 it'll make me feel better 00:09:28.16\00:09:29.50 'cause somebody else is having fun." 00:09:29.53\00:09:30.87 Or even if it's fantasy, 00:09:30.90\00:09:32.37 "I wouldn't want to do this in real life 00:09:32.40\00:09:33.74 but I can't really do it in real life, 00:09:33.77\00:09:35.10 so I'm going to watch maybe some pornography. 00:09:35.14\00:09:37.31 So at least in my mind, 00:09:37.34\00:09:38.67 I can go to that place where maybe I could pretend to be 00:09:38.71\00:09:41.51 with these multiple guys or these multiple girls 00:09:41.54\00:09:43.78 and do these different things." 00:09:43.81\00:09:45.45 There's also some different reasons 00:09:45.48\00:09:48.45 and I just wanted remind our viewers, 00:09:48.48\00:09:51.19 if you are a sex addict 00:09:51.22\00:09:52.99 and you're watching pornography, 00:09:53.02\00:09:55.09 you are not sober, 00:09:55.12\00:09:57.23 you are still continuing the cycle. 00:09:57.26\00:10:00.20 You may think, 00:10:00.23\00:10:01.56 "Okay, I'm not having sex, that means I'm fine." 00:10:01.60\00:10:04.57 But no, you're not fine, 00:10:04.60\00:10:07.77 you are still feeding your mind 00:10:07.80\00:10:10.31 and sex doesn't just start physically, 00:10:10.34\00:10:13.48 the sexual arousal starts in your mind. 00:10:13.51\00:10:17.85 Jacques? 00:10:17.88\00:10:19.21 The interesting thing about pornography is that 00:10:19.25\00:10:22.08 it takes a natural desire and it corrupts it. 00:10:22.12\00:10:26.05 God made us as men with desire to express ourselves sexually. 00:10:26.09\00:10:32.23 God made women with the desire 00:10:32.26\00:10:34.33 to want to be desired. 00:10:34.36\00:10:37.27 And one sex I call just to put it this way, 00:10:37.30\00:10:42.50 He says that, 00:10:42.54\00:10:43.87 "Well, men are tempted to watch pornography 00:10:43.91\00:10:46.88 because the way they're wired, 00:10:46.91\00:10:48.74 women are tempted to commit pornography." 00:10:48.78\00:10:51.35 And He goes on to say that, 00:10:51.38\00:10:53.25 "Whenever you act or whenever you dress 00:10:53.28\00:10:55.58 or whenever you talk in a way 00:10:55.62\00:10:58.12 to try to seduce someone or to sexualize yourself, 00:10:58.15\00:11:02.19 you might not be watching pornography 00:11:02.22\00:11:04.36 but you are committing pornography 00:11:04.39\00:11:05.73 with your very life. 00:11:05.76\00:11:07.10 Yeah. 00:11:07.13\00:11:08.46 And you were talking about the mental aspects, 00:11:08.50\00:11:12.37 something that came up in my brain was, 00:11:12.40\00:11:14.44 you know, the damaging parts 00:11:14.47\00:11:15.80 that there is some scientific information 00:11:15.84\00:11:17.57 that it affects the brain in such a way 00:11:17.61\00:11:19.44 that it can cause shrinkage 00:11:19.47\00:11:21.14 in some of the grey matter or white matter, 00:11:21.18\00:11:23.85 but also, you know, scripture, 00:11:23.88\00:11:25.48 Matthew 5, I think it's 28, that says, 00:11:25.51\00:11:27.42 "If you look on a woman to lust, 00:11:27.45\00:11:28.88 you've committed it in your heart." 00:11:28.92\00:11:30.39 There's some new scientific research 00:11:30.42\00:11:32.15 on something called a mirror neuron, 00:11:32.19\00:11:35.39 and when you commit an act 00:11:35.42\00:11:38.19 as far as me reaching out and grabbing her like this, 00:11:38.23\00:11:41.96 a particular neuron fires in my brain. 00:11:42.00\00:11:44.60 But when I watch somebody else commit the same act 00:11:44.63\00:11:47.40 that same neuron fires in my brain 00:11:47.44\00:11:49.80 as if I would have did it. 00:11:49.84\00:11:51.17 So like when you say a person 00:11:51.21\00:11:52.81 who is struggling with sex addiction not doing it 00:11:52.84\00:11:54.84 but they're watching it, 00:11:54.88\00:11:56.21 their brain is still getting the same high 00:11:56.24\00:11:58.25 and feeding of the same kind of emotion. 00:11:58.28\00:12:00.98 And I think, you know, to jump off of that too, 00:12:01.02\00:12:03.79 I think people understand that, 00:12:03.82\00:12:05.15 you know, one method of Holy Spirit communicating 00:12:05.19\00:12:07.06 is through your frontal lobe, 00:12:07.09\00:12:09.22 you know, and they did studies on serial killers 00:12:09.26\00:12:13.06 that whose frontal lobe was non functional, 00:12:13.09\00:12:15.33 it was dark, there was no activity 00:12:15.36\00:12:17.83 because all the synopsis were inhibited. 00:12:17.87\00:12:21.00 You know, so you have... 00:12:21.04\00:12:22.37 when you put before... 00:12:22.40\00:12:23.74 not just pornography 00:12:23.77\00:12:25.11 but anything that is not of God, 00:12:25.14\00:12:27.34 but mainly with pornography, 00:12:27.38\00:12:28.74 you know, you're inhibiting, your brain receptors, 00:12:28.78\00:12:31.95 to the point where you are essentially 00:12:31.98\00:12:33.38 you yourself are numbing out 00:12:33.42\00:12:34.85 your ability to communicate with God. 00:12:34.88\00:12:37.49 So even if you are a Christian, you know, sin knows no bounds. 00:12:37.52\00:12:41.62 Even if you are Christian, 00:12:41.66\00:12:42.99 you are inhibiting that communication, 00:12:43.02\00:12:44.36 you are numbing out your right from wrong. 00:12:44.39\00:12:46.53 You essentially now 00:12:46.56\00:12:48.36 cannot judge between right from wrong 00:12:48.40\00:12:50.43 when it comes to sex. 00:12:50.47\00:12:51.87 Let alone when it comes to normal everyday life. 00:12:51.90\00:12:55.37 So watching pornography is kind of like being stoned. 00:12:55.40\00:13:00.48 So pornography is mainly, you know, 00:13:00.51\00:13:04.75 that worldly man's problem, right? 00:13:04.78\00:13:09.85 I wouldn't say. 00:13:09.88\00:13:12.59 I wouldn't go that far. 00:13:12.62\00:13:14.52 It's... Look... 00:13:14.56\00:13:16.49 There's a lot of stigmas in the church 00:13:16.52\00:13:18.16 that people in the church don't do this x, y, and z, 00:13:18.19\00:13:21.30 but the church is a sick house for sick people to come. 00:13:21.33\00:13:23.77 And even though somebody might have been in the church 00:13:23.80\00:13:25.50 or grew up in the church, everybody has problems. 00:13:25.53\00:13:27.77 So it's looked as it's like it's a worldly man's problems 00:13:27.80\00:13:30.37 but we are finding out 00:13:30.41\00:13:32.81 sin is humanity's problem, you know. 00:13:32.84\00:13:37.35 And I went to 00:13:37.38\00:13:38.78 two Adventist colleges or universities 00:13:38.81\00:13:43.08 and it was something that I know that 00:13:43.12\00:13:46.09 I should have lived while I was there 00:13:46.12\00:13:47.69 while I was been fed spiritually, 00:13:47.72\00:13:49.29 I was still struggling with this thing 00:13:49.32\00:13:50.93 and also, you know, 00:13:50.96\00:13:52.29 when you are using your friend's computer 00:13:52.33\00:13:54.10 or when you're using your phone 'cause you don't have yours, 00:13:54.13\00:13:56.97 you know, you might just see a link 00:13:57.00\00:13:59.23 or you would see the last video he watched 00:13:59.27\00:14:03.44 or you would see the last thing he texted, 00:14:03.47\00:14:05.94 and so I could say that even among the young people 00:14:05.97\00:14:09.24 that were at our Adventist institutions, 00:14:09.28\00:14:11.45 they were struggling as well. 00:14:11.48\00:14:14.42 I think to... 00:14:14.45\00:14:15.78 you know, like I'll use myself as an example. 00:14:15.82\00:14:18.12 When I became a Christian, 00:14:18.15\00:14:19.49 I was struggling with pornography still. 00:14:19.52\00:14:21.39 But because the common argument 00:14:21.42\00:14:23.49 is that the Bible doesn't talk about masturbation. 00:14:23.53\00:14:26.70 That it's okay 00:14:26.73\00:14:28.16 because it doesn't talk about it. 00:14:28.20\00:14:30.07 I found that okay because number one, 00:14:30.10\00:14:31.80 the Bible doesn't talk about masturbation specifically. 00:14:31.83\00:14:34.84 It does talk about self gratification 00:14:34.87\00:14:36.57 instead of self denial. 00:14:36.60\00:14:39.37 And it doesn't talk about... 00:14:39.41\00:14:40.74 you know, I am not having sex with anybody, 00:14:40.78\00:14:42.14 I'm just looking at it. 00:14:42.18\00:14:43.81 So therefore, I'm not doing anything wrong 00:14:43.85\00:14:45.55 so I justified my own sinful behavior 00:14:45.58\00:14:49.22 and it carried me through all the way 00:14:49.25\00:14:50.89 through my undergrad phase, 00:14:50.92\00:14:52.25 even into seminary 00:14:52.29\00:14:53.86 and it wasn't until 00:14:53.89\00:14:55.22 I came to a realization through a support group 00:14:55.26\00:14:58.56 that this is dangerous. 00:14:58.59\00:15:01.53 It is a sin not 00:15:01.56\00:15:02.90 because the Bible does not talk about it, 00:15:02.93\00:15:04.27 it is a sin in many levels for many different reasons 00:15:04.30\00:15:06.50 and if you study the Word of God, 00:15:06.53\00:15:08.00 you will see those reasons why. 00:15:08.04\00:15:11.07 And it's interesting that you said like before, 00:15:11.11\00:15:13.94 you went through your different studies. 00:15:13.98\00:15:16.48 Christianity, they did a survey 00:15:16.51\00:15:17.91 and they said 40% of pastors do suffer, 00:15:17.95\00:15:21.28 struggle with pornography. 00:15:21.32\00:15:23.08 And this group of DGM, 00:15:23.12\00:15:25.42 they did a survey on 700 Christian women 00:15:25.45\00:15:28.96 and they found out that 40% of these women 00:15:28.99\00:15:31.76 have struggled with pornography. 00:15:31.79\00:15:33.90 And in another survey question, 00:15:33.93\00:15:35.40 it said that 60% of women stated 00:15:35.43\00:15:37.20 that they had struggled with pornography. 00:15:37.23\00:15:39.90 So it's one of those secrets things 00:15:39.93\00:15:41.30 that even though men are talked about more, 00:15:41.34\00:15:43.54 women also do struggle with pornography. 00:15:43.57\00:15:47.24 So when do I know that I have a problem? 00:15:47.28\00:15:50.35 I think, you know, you have a problem 00:15:50.38\00:15:54.45 as soon as you've clicked on the button 00:15:54.48\00:15:59.75 and started watching the thing. 00:15:59.79\00:16:01.62 You know, if you don't deal with the reasons 00:16:01.66\00:16:04.76 why you went to that site or clicked on that button, 00:16:04.79\00:16:09.10 you might not do it all the time 00:16:09.13\00:16:10.87 but sooner or later, it's going to come up again. 00:16:10.90\00:16:12.93 So as soon as you engage, you have a problem, you know. 00:16:12.97\00:16:17.81 I'd have to agree with Tim on this one as well 00:16:17.84\00:16:20.44 like there is no healthy amount of pornography. 00:16:20.48\00:16:24.88 Right. 00:16:24.91\00:16:26.25 You know, that just doesn't exist 00:16:26.28\00:16:28.42 until if you're indulging once a week, 00:16:28.45\00:16:31.29 once a month, you know, once a year, 00:16:31.32\00:16:33.02 there's a problem there. 00:16:33.05\00:16:34.76 You know, many times, 00:16:34.79\00:16:36.93 I know from the male perspective, 00:16:36.96\00:16:38.29 there are a lot of men 00:16:38.33\00:16:39.66 who watch pornography is 'cause of low self-esteem. 00:16:39.69\00:16:41.76 You know, they feel like, 00:16:41.80\00:16:43.13 "This woman can make me more of a man 00:16:43.16\00:16:44.77 and this woman makes me feel good. 00:16:44.80\00:16:46.53 She never questions me, 00:16:46.57\00:16:47.90 she never asks me for anything." 00:16:47.94\00:16:50.81 You know, and so 00:16:50.84\00:16:52.87 if you are watching this at all, 00:16:52.91\00:16:54.54 you might be struggling with your own self-esteem 00:16:54.58\00:16:56.95 and so you need to seek help. 00:16:56.98\00:16:58.91 When do you know that you need professional help? 00:16:58.95\00:17:02.15 I think, you know, for me, for example, 00:17:02.18\00:17:04.49 it got to the point 00:17:04.52\00:17:05.85 where it was like an automatic reaction to many situations, 00:17:05.89\00:17:10.09 "Let's watch pornography." 00:17:10.13\00:17:11.56 Or, "I'm just going to put it out there 00:17:11.59\00:17:14.96 if I would go to church and see some..." 00:17:15.00\00:17:18.13 Or the females, the way they were dressed, 00:17:18.17\00:17:19.53 that would automatically trigger certain things 00:17:19.57\00:17:22.94 that I had viewed in pornography 00:17:22.97\00:17:26.14 and they were wearing 00:17:26.17\00:17:27.51 that same style of dress or that same look. 00:17:27.54\00:17:30.78 And that would trigger things in my mind where essentially, 00:17:30.81\00:17:33.45 I was having pornographic images 00:17:33.48\00:17:35.78 in my head while in church 00:17:35.82\00:17:37.29 because of the way 00:17:37.32\00:17:38.65 these particular women were dressed. 00:17:38.69\00:17:41.12 And I would go home and I would have to sit there 00:17:41.16\00:17:45.26 and I'm like, "God, I know I'm not supposed to do it 00:17:45.29\00:17:47.23 but my brain has already been wired to react. 00:17:47.26\00:17:51.27 Not to just sit there and pray about it, 00:17:51.30\00:17:53.64 my brain has already went beyond that line of where 00:17:53.67\00:17:57.44 I can no longer control those inhibitions." 00:17:57.47\00:18:01.14 One thing... 00:18:01.18\00:18:04.48 But first, 00:18:04.51\00:18:05.85 I'm going tell a story of a news specialize scene 00:18:05.88\00:18:07.22 and then say something. 00:18:07.25\00:18:08.58 I was watching a news special on pornography, 00:18:08.62\00:18:10.92 I forgot what channel it was on, 00:18:10.95\00:18:12.29 but it was a young man and he was struggling with it. 00:18:12.32\00:18:15.02 And it had got so bad for him that while they were driving, 00:18:15.06\00:18:19.13 him and the reporter, 00:18:19.16\00:18:20.50 while they were driving in the car 00:18:20.53\00:18:22.63 and they passed a woman 00:18:22.66\00:18:24.47 who was dressed really revealing, 00:18:24.50\00:18:27.64 the young man had to pull over 00:18:27.67\00:18:29.34 and go on a side somewhere, going to bathroom 00:18:29.37\00:18:31.57 and take care of his issues and he came back. 00:18:31.61\00:18:34.94 And the news reporter asks him, 00:18:34.98\00:18:36.31 "Did you, you know, did you go in there masturbating?" 00:18:36.34\00:18:38.15 And he admitted, "Yeah I did". 00:18:38.18\00:18:40.78 That's how bad it had, you know, gotten for him. 00:18:40.82\00:18:44.02 But I think you can know you have exactly a problem 00:18:44.05\00:18:48.36 until you know it's wrong for you to do it. 00:18:48.39\00:18:50.49 And once you know it's wrong, 00:18:50.53\00:18:51.86 you're trying to stop it and you can't, 00:18:51.89\00:18:53.56 then I think you know you have a problem then. 00:18:53.60\00:18:55.86 Okay, let me just go ahead and say something. 00:18:55.90\00:18:59.70 I just realized... 00:18:59.73\00:19:02.90 Can I be honest with you guys for now? 00:19:02.94\00:19:04.37 Can we be honest? Sure. 00:19:04.41\00:19:05.74 Okay, I didn't know 00:19:05.77\00:19:07.11 that I struggled with pornography 00:19:07.14\00:19:09.41 until right now. 00:19:09.44\00:19:12.31 Right now, I didn't have... 00:19:12.35\00:19:15.35 I mean, the life that I lived, the things that I have done, 00:19:15.38\00:19:19.49 I did not realize the struggle. 00:19:19.52\00:19:23.22 I didn't see it until just now on this program. 00:19:23.26\00:19:27.36 That's crazy. 00:19:27.40\00:19:28.76 But it's still a blessing 00:19:28.80\00:19:30.13 because now you have a better understanding 00:19:30.17\00:19:31.87 of who you are. 00:19:31.90\00:19:34.17 And there are going to be some people who watching this, 00:19:34.20\00:19:36.10 you know, program and they are going to say, 00:19:36.14\00:19:38.07 "Pornography isn't a problem for us." 00:19:38.11\00:19:40.48 They probably have their hands up like that too. 00:19:40.51\00:19:42.48 You know, "It's an informative tool. 00:19:42.51\00:19:44.18 We use it to have better ideas 00:19:44.21\00:19:46.21 what we need to be doing to enhance our sex life." 00:19:46.25\00:19:49.78 What would you say about that? 00:19:49.82\00:19:53.96 Pornography being an informative tool, 00:19:53.99\00:19:57.26 informing them kind of how? 00:19:57.29\00:19:59.73 Just informing people 00:19:59.76\00:20:01.16 on what to do and things like that? 00:20:01.20\00:20:03.37 I would say, 00:20:03.40\00:20:05.13 whether they're using that for information, 00:20:05.17\00:20:07.17 all of the bad things 00:20:07.20\00:20:08.54 that we still stated can happen, 00:20:08.57\00:20:10.44 can still happen to those people 00:20:10.47\00:20:13.94 if they're using it for that. 00:20:13.98\00:20:16.24 I think to understand that, 00:20:16.28\00:20:17.95 if you want an informative tool 00:20:17.98\00:20:19.85 about lovemaking, go to Song of Solomon. 00:20:19.88\00:20:22.88 My question, is God in your bedroom? 00:20:22.92\00:20:24.59 It's Song of Solomon. 00:20:24.62\00:20:25.95 It's got, I mean, I thought I was reading out... 00:20:25.99\00:20:27.69 When I read it, I was like, "This is in the Bible? Wow!" 00:20:27.72\00:20:30.59 You know, it was really... 00:20:30.63\00:20:32.79 it's not sex, you know, God presented us lovemaking. 00:20:32.83\00:20:37.33 In the Song of Solomon, presented as lovemaking 00:20:37.37\00:20:40.70 and it takes it to a whole different level 00:20:40.74\00:20:42.20 rather than just pornographic, 00:20:42.24\00:20:44.47 you know, "Hey, let's have sex." 00:20:44.51\00:20:45.84 And that's it. 00:20:45.87\00:20:47.21 And going with that element of lovemaking, 00:20:47.24\00:20:48.91 what about Christian pornography? 00:20:48.94\00:20:50.71 The person was saying, 00:20:50.75\00:20:52.08 "You know, Christian pornography, 00:20:52.11\00:20:53.45 it expresses the beauty of sex. 00:20:53.48\00:20:55.95 You know, it isn't like bondage and those other things." 00:20:55.98\00:21:00.22 The interesting thing about Christian pornography, 00:21:00.26\00:21:02.69 when I was in research on this new genre of pornography 00:21:02.72\00:21:07.10 that I didn't even know existed, 00:21:07.13\00:21:09.03 they said that it wasn't as dangerous 00:21:09.06\00:21:13.67 and it could be used to transition 00:21:13.70\00:21:15.84 one off pornography 00:21:15.87\00:21:17.37 and the actors, they're married couple 00:21:17.41\00:21:21.54 and they don't use profanity and they don't add the violence 00:21:21.58\00:21:25.21 and all the other things. 00:21:25.25\00:21:26.72 And so this website in a way 00:21:26.75\00:21:28.85 it was trying to promote it as a healthy alternative, 00:21:28.88\00:21:32.95 and I think that's absolutely ludicrous 00:21:32.99\00:21:35.62 because it's a thing that I can't watch two people 00:21:35.66\00:21:38.89 whether they're married or not, 00:21:38.93\00:21:40.46 engaged in something that is supposed to be private, 00:21:40.50\00:21:43.20 and then I can masturbate to that, 00:21:43.23\00:21:46.74 that is not pure 00:21:46.77\00:21:48.10 just because the people on the screen are married, 00:21:48.14\00:21:50.91 that's just corrupt. 00:21:50.94\00:21:53.14 That's so true. It's corruption. 00:21:53.17\00:21:56.58 And that goes to the question 00:21:56.61\00:21:57.95 of how does pornography affect one's sex life? 00:21:57.98\00:22:02.58 As a married, my ma'am, my wife, 00:22:02.62\00:22:06.19 I am, you know, I used to... 00:22:06.22\00:22:08.12 Because of the struggle with pornography before, 00:22:08.16\00:22:11.19 it really took a lot of prayer to understand my body again 00:22:11.23\00:22:16.33 because and I hate it, 00:22:16.36\00:22:18.73 I don't hate to say it like this 00:22:18.77\00:22:20.10 but it's true, 00:22:20.14\00:22:21.47 as how strong you are as man, 00:22:21.50\00:22:23.24 I got to the point where I just didn't like sex 00:22:23.27\00:22:26.57 like it was just boring like sex again, like really? 00:22:26.61\00:22:31.28 You know, it really did mess up my brain. 00:22:31.31\00:22:33.82 But, you know, I praise God for transformation. 00:22:33.85\00:22:39.52 Well, I think the affix says, a woman, for example, 00:22:39.55\00:22:44.46 can watch pornography right before 00:22:44.49\00:22:48.06 she perform lovemaking with her husband 00:22:48.10\00:22:51.73 and if her husband is not performing 00:22:51.77\00:22:56.81 which she just watched prior, 00:22:56.84\00:22:59.07 she might make some suggestions like, 00:22:59.11\00:23:01.18 "No, husband, could you pull my hair 00:23:01.21\00:23:04.45 or smack me or give it to me rough. 00:23:04.48\00:23:10.25 "You know, all these crazy things 00:23:10.29\00:23:14.19 and bringing it forth into their marriage 00:23:14.22\00:23:16.59 and the husband is like, "What's going on?" 00:23:16.62\00:23:19.43 So I think that can have some effects on, 00:23:19.46\00:23:22.56 you know, within the relationship. 00:23:22.60\00:23:25.93 What a lot of doctors and councilors are now noticing 00:23:25.97\00:23:28.50 is something called 00:23:28.54\00:23:29.87 porn-induced erectile dysfunction 00:23:29.90\00:23:32.67 and they having to prescribe 00:23:32.71\00:23:34.04 a lot of erectile dysfunction medication 00:23:34.08\00:23:36.54 to men in their 20s 00:23:36.58\00:23:38.51 because they've been watching so much pornography 00:23:38.55\00:23:40.65 that they really cannot perform, 00:23:40.68\00:23:44.12 if I can use that word, 00:23:44.15\00:23:45.72 when it comes to a real life or live woman, 00:23:45.75\00:23:48.99 you know, they are used to the over stimulation 00:23:49.02\00:23:51.79 and even in my own life I started to see the effects. 00:23:51.83\00:23:54.90 You know, I would think that 00:23:54.93\00:23:56.56 there was something wrong with the girl, 00:23:56.60\00:23:58.20 you know, "Maybe she's not just pretty enough 00:23:58.23\00:23:59.83 or maybe x, y, and z." 00:23:59.87\00:24:01.20 But the problem was that 00:24:01.24\00:24:02.84 I was starting to suffer from this condition. 00:24:02.87\00:24:06.54 Wow, pornography 00:24:06.57\00:24:07.91 is really a dangerous thing and it affects, 00:24:07.94\00:24:10.21 you know, not only you but also your partner. 00:24:10.25\00:24:12.08 Your partner might feel like they have been cheated on, 00:24:12.11\00:24:14.38 they may not fully understand it, 00:24:14.42\00:24:16.25 but they feel like you are not there with them. 00:24:16.28\00:24:18.65 So now that we know all the risk 00:24:18.69\00:24:20.86 and cons of pornography, 00:24:20.89\00:24:22.22 how do I prevent, 00:24:22.26\00:24:23.63 you know, my loved one from falling into this trap? 00:24:23.66\00:24:26.90 Well, from a parental standpoint, 00:24:26.93\00:24:29.96 you have to have a, 00:24:30.00\00:24:32.23 you know, if you are going to give you a kid tablets 00:24:32.27\00:24:34.20 and all these things 00:24:34.24\00:24:35.57 they make them for kids and stuff 00:24:35.60\00:24:36.94 and you can get on the internet, 00:24:36.97\00:24:38.31 you have to have lock controls, 00:24:38.34\00:24:39.67 you have to know what they're watching, 00:24:39.71\00:24:41.04 you need to be in the same room when they're playing with this, 00:24:41.08\00:24:43.48 and know exactly what they're seeing 00:24:43.51\00:24:45.38 so they don't stumble on any sites 00:24:45.41\00:24:48.12 because things just pop up nowadays 00:24:48.15\00:24:50.32 and so we have to have communication open. 00:24:50.35\00:24:52.52 To ask them, you know, 00:24:52.55\00:24:53.96 did they see something at school 00:24:53.99\00:24:55.66 'cause nowadays, kids got cell phones in school, 00:24:55.69\00:24:57.99 it's easy to pull anything up, 00:24:58.03\00:25:00.00 and if it's a family member, 00:25:00.03\00:25:01.83 you know, I think having the communication lines open 00:25:01.86\00:25:05.37 to talk about it. 00:25:05.40\00:25:07.20 I think too this over-sexualized society 00:25:07.24\00:25:09.57 we live in, 00:25:09.60\00:25:10.94 aside from, you know, tablets and parental controls with, 00:25:10.97\00:25:14.28 with our loved ones, 00:25:14.31\00:25:16.85 it's also helping them to understand, 00:25:16.88\00:25:18.21 you know, their bodies, 00:25:18.25\00:25:19.58 helping them to understand their defects of certain things 00:25:19.61\00:25:22.98 because, you know, and essentially, realistically, 00:25:23.02\00:25:26.25 pornography is everywhere 00:25:26.29\00:25:27.62 you look at them in billboards, 00:25:27.66\00:25:28.99 you look at outside. 00:25:29.02\00:25:30.36 And eventually, say pornography is even in our church today. 00:25:30.39\00:25:33.46 You know, in the way we dress and the attire and everything, 00:25:33.50\00:25:35.80 so it's we are an over-sexualized society 00:25:35.83\00:25:38.10 and I think just educating ourselves 00:25:38.13\00:25:40.77 or educating our loved ones 00:25:40.80\00:25:42.17 and being a support system for our loved ones. 00:25:42.20\00:25:44.61 And if we have children, helping them to understand 00:25:44.64\00:25:47.21 before their world helps them to understand. 00:25:47.24\00:25:50.48 Thank you so much for saying that, Xavier. 00:25:50.51\00:25:52.78 And the Bible says in the Psalm 101:3, 00:25:52.81\00:25:55.68 "I will set nothing wicked before my eyes. 00:25:55.72\00:25:58.25 I hate the work of those who fall away, 00:25:58.29\00:26:00.56 it shall not cling to me". 00:26:00.59\00:26:02.42 As I think about my own history, 00:26:02.46\00:26:04.33 my own testimony, 00:26:04.36\00:26:05.86 I was only four years old 00:26:05.89\00:26:07.50 when I first saw something pornographic. 00:26:07.53\00:26:10.60 I had no idea what it was. 00:26:10.63\00:26:12.67 All I know is my body started feeling a certain way 00:26:12.70\00:26:14.97 and I started having desires 00:26:15.00\00:26:17.21 and then it didn't really make much sense to me. 00:26:17.24\00:26:19.34 And then as time progressed, 00:26:19.37\00:26:20.71 I started to see stuff on my computer, 00:26:20.74\00:26:24.08 and as it even progressed more by the time 00:26:24.11\00:26:26.11 I was 11 where I actually had sexual education. 00:26:26.15\00:26:29.58 I was already hooked. 00:26:29.62\00:26:30.95 I had no idea why I was hooked to this thing. 00:26:30.99\00:26:33.15 I just didn't really understand it. 00:26:33.19\00:26:35.72 And that's why it's so important 00:26:35.76\00:26:38.63 to really teach your children about sex. 00:26:38.66\00:26:42.83 Give them the proper view, really be able to... 00:26:42.86\00:26:46.87 also be careful of what they watch on TV 00:26:46.90\00:26:49.14 and what they're watching on their computers. 00:26:49.17\00:26:51.57 And really be part of that process 00:26:51.61\00:26:53.88 because as time progress, 00:26:53.91\00:26:56.78 things just got crazier and crazier and crazier. 00:26:56.81\00:26:59.45 I did things that I never thought 00:26:59.48\00:27:00.82 I would have done. 00:27:00.85\00:27:02.18 I saw things I never thought I would have ever seen. 00:27:02.22\00:27:04.65 And in a long run, 00:27:04.69\00:27:06.65 it affected my relationship with not only God 00:27:06.69\00:27:09.82 but also with my now spouse 00:27:09.86\00:27:12.69 because you have thoughts and you have images 00:27:12.73\00:27:15.66 and it just coming to your mind 00:27:15.70\00:27:17.10 and it just causes that disconnect. 00:27:17.13\00:27:19.43 So I don't know what you are struggling with. 00:27:19.47\00:27:22.60 But if you are struggling with pornography, 00:27:22.64\00:27:24.87 please, please realize that there is hope. 00:27:24.91\00:27:29.18 And you are not alone, you are not the first, 00:27:29.21\00:27:31.05 and probably won't be the last 00:27:31.08\00:27:32.71 but God can bring refuge to you, 00:27:32.75\00:27:35.68 He can set you free. 00:27:35.72\00:27:37.69 Think about it, 00:27:37.72\00:27:39.05 what forms of pornography have you seen, 00:27:39.09\00:27:40.96 what are you indulging in, why are you indulging in it? 00:27:40.99\00:27:45.09 When you focus on that key factor and you say, 00:27:45.13\00:27:47.40 "God, take it, take it from me. 00:27:47.43\00:27:50.43 I'm doing it 00:27:50.47\00:27:51.80 because I'm stressed or depressed. 00:27:51.83\00:27:53.17 Please, dear Lord, take it from me." 00:27:53.20\00:27:54.60 He will take it from you. 00:27:54.64\00:27:57.11 So please remember to make pure choices. 00:27:57.14\00:28:00.61