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Hi. Welcome to Pure Choices.
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I'm your host Myesha Lawson.
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And my panel here...
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Xavier Morales.
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Brittany-Hill Morales.
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Jacques LaGuerre.
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And Timothy Lawson.
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So today, our title is,
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"Use what you got
to get what you want".
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We're going to be talking
about strip clubs, part one.
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I know you're wondering,
"Wow, strip clubs?" Yes.
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There's a whole
another world out there
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and I've experienced it.
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So we're going to
talk about what goes on
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inside the strip club
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from a dancer's point of view,
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but before we start,
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we're going to start with prayer
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as you bow your head please.
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Dear Lord, we just
want to thank You Father
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for Your deliverance, Lord.
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We ask right now Father
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that You just
bless this program Lord,
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and that You just continue
to abide with us Father.
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We thank You in Jesus' name.
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Amen. Amen.
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Well, this is
very personal to me.
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So these questions I'm
going to be asking you guys,
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it came from my heart.
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So the first question is,
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in the midst of
struggles and hardships,
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why is it so
easy for men and women
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to resort to stripping?
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Well, I guess, I would
say the first reason why is,
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it doesn't require education.
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Like, when you're trying to
get any of these other jobs,
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you have to go through
so many years of education,
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you have to go through so many
months and weeks of training,
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but when it comes to
being in a strip club,
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you either have it or you don't,
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and if you have the body for it,
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you just go right in,
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and you can make
cash just like that.
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I think it goes
back to the title.
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You know, use what
you've got to get what you want.
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And so, if you
don't have anything,
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you have your body,
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and the world
considers those things, assets,
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and they actually sell them.
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And so when people
are down on their luck
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and people are hungry,
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it's very easy to
just, basically use that
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so that they can feed themselves
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or whatever the case may be.
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I'd probably talk about it
from a different perspective
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where a lot of men and women,
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they're having bad
sexual experiences,
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and they're being
used at such an early age,
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and they're
getting nothing out of it.
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And so, I can see how
it be easy for someone,
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especially a young
woman who's been used,
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who's been abused
sexually to say, "Well,
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if I'm already
being abused sexually,
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I may as well make
some money out of this
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and use my body to pay my rent."
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That's a good point, yes.
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So do you think that
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stripping can lead
to other professions
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and addictions?
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I believe so.
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It's often know that,
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you know, strippers
can enter prostitution,
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escorts, just a
upscale prostitutes...
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Right.
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With escorts pornography,
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it's a big one
where they end up doing
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pornography for a living.
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Drug addiction,
you name it, you know,
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there's other
professions that are going to,
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there's also other addictions
that come with that territory
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from what I've seen... Right.
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And with friends
and all that stuff.
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So...
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I think one of the
most unspoken addiction is
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the money itself.
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You know, money
is very addicting,
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especially if you're making
a lot of it in a short time,
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and, you know, all cash
or whatever the case maybe,
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and that
lifestyle becomes addicted.
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Because this is, you know,
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stripping in strip clubs
is part of the sex industry.
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So, of course, you
know, if you start here,
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then once you do
something enough, it gets easier
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and you're going to
go on to other things.
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Yeah, that's
funny that you said that
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because people, you
know, I struggled with that.
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Once I became a dancer,
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it was the thing
that I can resort to
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just fast and quick, you know.
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If I couldn't pay my rent
or I couldn't pay my car note,
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I can go dance for one night
and make that money, you know.
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So why stripping is
being used as a profession
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or a career?
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I think it's like you said,
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because, you know,
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it's something that
you can easily go to.
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It doesn't
require as much effort
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as probably being a doctor,
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you have to stay there
for so many hours in a shift,
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have to, you know,
constantly learning up
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and, you know,
strengthening your skill with,
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I would guess with stripping,
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you don't have to put so
much, you know, hours and hours
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and hours and hours and hours
of reading up different books,
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trying to learn
hard terminologies,
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it doesn't require
that type of mental strain
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but you can do something,
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I guess, a dancer
would consider fun
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because you've to dance
and if you have an addiction,
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like, your,
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you like to show off
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that's part of your
addiction off your body
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because you like that attention,
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then if you crave it, it's easy,
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and if some people,
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they don't even think
of it as something wrong,
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so why not do it.
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Right.
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And you're
totally on point with that
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'cause I used it
as a career, you know.
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I always told myself,
"Okay, I'm going to dance
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and I'm going to
get into school."
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You know, I'm going to
put myself through school.
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But with all the
money that you're making,
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the more money, the
more bills you have,
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you know.
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Your lifestyle
changes, you know,
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and not only you're looking
at what other women having,
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how much they're making
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and they're telling you,
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"Oh, yeah. I'm going
to continue to do this."
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I mean, there's
40 year old women
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that are out
there that are dancing,
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and you're looking
at them like, you know,
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at first you go
in and you're saying,
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"Oh, no, I'm not going to,
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I'm going to dance when I'm 40."
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And you can't tell the devil
which you are not going to do.
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But I look at them
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and then I'm
looking at their cars,
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some of them have
homes that they own,
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they own their
own cars, you know,
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some even have businesses,
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but it's the attention that
they're getting from dancing,
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and it's the quick
money that they're getting.
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So we're going to
go into sexuality.
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I really want to talk about that
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because it plays a huge part
especially behind the scenes.
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So how is
working in a strip club,
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a form of pornography?
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I think that's
big for pornography
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because, I mean,
number one, nudity.
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You know, the
nudity aspect, the sexual,
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you know, provoking a man
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or vice versa,
there's male strippers,
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you know,
provoking those inner visions
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to be released from,
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you know, from within the person
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that you're dancing for.
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You know, you're provoking,
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you're basically trying
to sexualize that person
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or seduce that
person I should say,
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without going all the
way as they say, you know,
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and a lot of times,
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I mean, that is if
you look at pornography
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and that is pretty
much the same thing.
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You know, it's a false reality,
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a false reality of what's
sex is supposed to be like.
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I tell you it's a form
of pornography as well,
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because myself
being in the military
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for three years,
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you know, I spent a
lot of time in strip clubs
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before I met Christ.
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And so, I know personally
that there's a lot of stuff
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that goes on in
those private rooms
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of this private dances
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that is highly sexual,
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and so that can be
considered full pornographic,
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not, you know, going
halfway, but going all the way,
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and so that's
another form of pornography.
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Yes.
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So you're telling me
that they're actually being
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sexually active
behind closed doors...
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Yes. Inside the strip clubs?
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Inside the strip club. Yes.
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Okay. Yeah.
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Does anyone else
want to comment on that?
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No? Okay.
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Well, the next question is,
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can working in a strip
club affect your sexuality?
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I think definitely,
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because as you're
going to work each day
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and you look around,
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you're seeing other
women undressing themselves.
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And then that just
taking their clothes off
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because they're
jumping into the shower
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like at a gym or something,
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they're doing it
very provocatively,
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and your mind
starts to wonder also like,
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you might be over
there doing your dance
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but you're looking over like,
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"Maybe, I could
do that like her,
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or maybe if I do this,"
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or in some cases,
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they have those two
strippers stripping together,
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trying to create
that extra attention.
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So when you're interacting
with like the other girl
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or in some cases it
could be a girl and a guy,
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they're both stripping together,
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you're doing all
these different things
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that is not harmless,
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it's doing
something to your mind,
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it's doing
something to your body,
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so it's definitely
affecting your sexuality.
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Well, yeah, I like to piggyback
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not only it can
start to give you a desire
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for the other people there,
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you're watching
them undress, you know,
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if they're attractive,
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if you're a female you
might start to get attracted
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to the female body, and
vice versa for the males
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because that's what
you're around all the time,
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and that's what you're used to.
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And like you said,
you're making different moves
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and stuff like that,
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but also your own
personal sexuality,
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however it feels,
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it has to get to a point where
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it might not be
worth as much to you
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as you think for you to start,
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and you have to get
into certain mind state
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so you can continue.
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And so the more you do it,
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the more using your sexuality
for this type of purposes
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becomes okay in your mind.
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That's funny that
you guys said that
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because I struggled with that
as working in the strip club.
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I had no interest
in liking women, okay,
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I grew up to
like men and men only.
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So I'm working in the strip club
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and like you said,
I'm seeing women's body,
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and they're actually becoming
attractive to me, you know.
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If a woman basically
looks something like me
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and I think I'm beautiful,
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then automatically
she's beautiful to me,
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you know.
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Or she has a nice body
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and you know, you
catch yourself looking okay,
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and so not only I
worked with many women
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that I had to perform acts with.
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So as you become
familiar with this woman
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to perform this act,
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you're the show,
you begin to like her,
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you know, and I
began to like this girl,
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I continued to do
parties with this woman,
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and next thing, you know,
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I consider myself
completely liking women
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or I consider myself bisexual.
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So where it started
from was looking at women,
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you know, and maybe not
everybody go through this,
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you know, what
I've been through,
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but by looking at the same sex
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while dressing or
undressing too often
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does that mean you
are lesbian or gay?
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And this goes for men and women.
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I don't, I mean, it's hard
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because it
depends on your setting
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'cause when I was in a
law enforcement, you know,
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you have, they call
the community showers.
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So you have no
choice, you know, you don't,
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you make it a point not to look.
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But, you know, when
you have like, 50 guys
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in the community showers,
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it's just like, it's there.
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And, you know, I never
took a liking to that, per Se,
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but growing up
in the environment,
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I did in Florida
with the transvestites.
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You kind of, I did kind of
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start taking a
liking to that in the past.
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You know, like, I guess,
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you call the best of
both worlds or whatever
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and that was a struggle for me
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when I came out of Christianity,
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you know, understanding that.
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So I think when you are around,
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when you are inherently
around something long enough
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in a way that it is not of God,
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I think you, your mind
starts to get perversed thoughts
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and starts to
get perverse in ways,
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and it's not because
you're forcing it to per Se,
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it's just your brain
adapts to every situation.
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Unfortunately, it
starts equipping itself
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with negativity
rather than reality.
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I was going to add to that,
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like your mind
plays tricks on you,
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and then, I guess
that curiosity increases,
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but before like you said,
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you only wanted to be with men
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but as you started
interacting with them,
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curiosity started
to entice you like,
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"I wonder what it would be
like if I did it just once.
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I wonder how it
would really work out?
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Would it be okay?
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You know, we can
work together, great."
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So you have all
these like different mind,
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your mind really
starts playing tricks on you
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where, like, I know I want this
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but maybe, just maybe,
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if I just try a
little bit of it,
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that'll be okay.
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I like to
piggybank how she said,
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your mind's playing tricks
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because if
you're exposing yourself
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to something you're
not supposed to see,
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most people will think that,
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"Well, I'm glad I exposed myself
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because now I like this,
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so this must really be who I am.
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This must really
be what's inside me,
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but actually you
were exposing yourself
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to something you
were never supposed to see
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and it starts to,
you know, like she said,
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"Your mind starts
to play tricks on you."
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You start to say, "Well,
this now is attracted to me
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which wasn't before."
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So since it's attractive now,
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it must have always
been attractive to me
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and maybe this is who I am,
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and that's not
always necessarily the case.
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Yeah.
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And that's true
because not only to music,
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music plays a huge part.
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I mean, there's songs as
if, 'My girl has a girlfriend',
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or 'I kissed a girl'.
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And, you know,
when you're in the club,
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they play these popular songs,
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and you're constantly,
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you know, listen to
them even when you're at home
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because it's a catchy song.
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You like the song,
of course, you know.
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So it puts that in
your mind that, you know,
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like you say, you get curious,
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"Well, how would I
feel if I did kiss a girl?"
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I'm not lesbian
really, you know,
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or I'm not bi, you
know, you start really...
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Rationalizing.
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Rationalizing and, you know,
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okay, so now that
it comes to the point
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where you're
going to kiss this girl,
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and you're kissing this
girl because this is an act,
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you know, you put it on a show,
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a girl on girl show
for a party for a guy,
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whatever,
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not only you're intoxicated,
you have drugs in you,
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anything goes at this point,
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and not only you're
doing it for the money
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so it doesn't matter as
long as they're paying you,
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so your guard is down.
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You know, you're
willing to just go all out
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as long as they're paying you.
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And as long as you're seeing
the money being thrown at you,
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you want to do more.
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You know, you get
this sense of pride in you.
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And you just
become like God almost
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'cause that is exactly how
these men are looking at you.
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I mean, you're
sitting there, you're on stage
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and the men are
looking up at you
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and they're just
throwing their money,
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and they're just in
awe about you, you know.
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And it's crazy, you know,
they're mesmerized by you.
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They don't see your flaws,
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they don't even
know who you are,
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they don't even
know your real name,
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they know nothing about you.
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You know, you can be on drugs,
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you can be a
heroin addict, anything,
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they don't know
anything about you.
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They're just there
for what they're there for
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and you're there
to give it to them.
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So we're going to talk about
the image of men and women.
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How does the profession affect
men and women spiritually?
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I think it brings,
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you know, there's
the physical plane
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and then there's the
mental aspect of life,
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and then there's
the spiritual nature
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which is the highest
that connects you to God,
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that you communicate God with.
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And this type of industry,
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this type of club has you
focused just on the physical,
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and has you
indulge in the physical
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and make that, you know,
one of your highest priorities,
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and points, and parts,
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because like you said
the guys are looking at you,
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so your main focus
every night is this part,
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just the
physical, just the outside,
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that's what's you're
making your money off of,
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that's what you're
getting your attention from,
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and you begin to think
that this is the most important
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and you forget or
you've never known
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that Jesus died
for what's inside here.
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He died for your
mind, He died for your heart
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so He could renew it,
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and that totally will erase it
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not only in the mind
of the person performing,
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but in the mind of the
person who's paying for it.
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Because they're
spending their cash
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on what they think is worthful,
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and it's a physical,
you know, representation
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of whatever
fantasy or image they have.
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And to speak about
how it affects the person
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that's there,
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in my own experience
00:17:56.34\00:17:57.67
after going to
these institution so much,
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I was at the strip
club, like every weekend,
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I could not really look
at women as a whole person,
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I was only
focused on the exterior,
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on the physical.
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And it didn't matter how
the woman was dressed any more
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after a certain amount of time,
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I just began to be
able to objectify any woman
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no matter what she was wearing,
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no matter her age,
and nothing mattered
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because it was just
all about the physical.
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And I think,
especially, as men we're prone
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to being hyper sexualized,
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and so when you
spend that much time
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in institution like that,
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and then you
couple out pornography
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and all these other factors,
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then you're turning yourself
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or you're allowing the devil
to turn you into an animal.
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I'm just listening
to what she said about,
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how you started
feeling like you were God
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and these people
were like worshipping you,
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that has to
affect you spiritually.
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It's in your mindsets,
00:18:56.70\00:18:58.30
it's like, "You
know, I'm so great,
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I'm so awesome.
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I don't really need God
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because you said,
00:19:02.64\00:19:03.97
they're not even
looking at your flaws.
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These people don't care.
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So it's like, why does God care?
00:19:06.74\00:19:08.08
These people give me money,
why should I care if God says,
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I'm imperfect, I
have flaws, I have...
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That doesn't matter
00:19:13.18\00:19:14.52
because as long as I'm beautiful
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that's all that really matters,
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that's what's
going to get me paid.
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So that's definitely has
to affect you spiritually.
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Most definitely.
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I think you two come
to an understanding like,
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for me I'm piggybacking
up for what Jacques said,
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I used to start
gauging based on, you know,
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being a womanizer,
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I started, you know, gauge women
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how would they be in bed.
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You know, kind of getting up
predicting how they would be,
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and going based off of that
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and that kind of reminds me
of a predator knows their prey.
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You know, you target,
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you already know
somebody, you know,
00:19:43.98\00:19:45.71
that's in that
stripping mentality
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a lot of times,
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they're weak morally
or spiritually, you know,
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they are weak enough
where you can just pounce
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and say the right things
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to make them feel
good about themselves,
00:19:55.59\00:19:58.19
get that moral,
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and you pray off of that
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and, you know, and that's hard
00:20:01.06\00:20:03.80
because these are human beings
00:20:03.83\00:20:05.23
but, yeah, you spiritually,
00:20:05.27\00:20:06.90
I mean, I wasn't
with God at the time,
00:20:06.94\00:20:09.07
but, you know,
God never left me.
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Yeah.
00:20:10.47\00:20:11.81
But you really act like,
00:20:11.84\00:20:13.54
you know, when we
said, an animal, you know,
00:20:13.58\00:20:15.31
you become an animal predator.
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Yes, indeed you do.
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Because you're going
to look at, you know,
00:20:20.78\00:20:22.92
you're going to look
at everyone in the club
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and you want to
know who can you get
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and how much can you
get out of this person.
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And so I like to...
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My experiences
when I go up to a man,
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I only have 15 seconds
00:20:35.26\00:20:38.80
to get him what
I want him to be,
00:20:38.83\00:20:41.80
you know.
00:20:41.84\00:20:43.17
I'm going to sit, I'm
going to talk with him,
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I'm going to touch him.
00:20:45.11\00:20:47.34
I need to know everything
about him as short as I can,
00:20:47.38\00:20:50.88
a short amount of
time to see if he likes me,
00:20:50.91\00:20:55.08
and if he really
want to spend money on me,
00:20:55.12\00:20:58.15
and so by that, I win.
00:20:58.19\00:21:01.52
If he wants to
spend money on with me,
00:21:01.56\00:21:02.92
I have him completely
00:21:02.96\00:21:04.29
and I can have him
for that whole night.
00:21:04.33\00:21:07.63
So let's talk about
00:21:07.66\00:21:11.40
how does it affect men and women
00:21:11.43\00:21:12.97
mentally and physically?
00:21:13.00\00:21:14.84
I think it goes back to
when you're looking around
00:21:18.07\00:21:21.34
you're seeing these other women,
00:21:21.38\00:21:23.65
or if I don't know, I'm
not sure how guys do it,
00:21:23.68\00:21:25.88
but for a woman
if you look around
00:21:25.91\00:21:27.25
and you see, okay, this
girl is getting more money
00:21:27.28\00:21:28.88
because she has
these essential factors,
00:21:28.92\00:21:32.32
then of course,
you start wondering,
00:21:32.35\00:21:34.02
am I good enough?
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Yes, I'm making money,
00:21:36.56\00:21:38.09
but should I change my own body?
00:21:38.13\00:21:40.23
Should I probably
get some implants?
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Should I probably go
to some different classes
00:21:42.83\00:21:46.63
and learn how to do
these different types of moves?
00:21:46.67\00:21:50.44
Like, you start feeling like
00:21:50.47\00:21:52.27
you're not
significant enough mentally
00:21:52.31\00:21:55.08
and the physical aspect,
00:21:55.11\00:21:56.44
you want to go
and change your body.
00:21:56.48\00:21:58.68
You want to do
these different things.
00:21:58.71\00:22:00.42
Her hair was short,
maybe I should cut my hair too,
00:22:00.45\00:22:02.82
maybe that will work.
00:22:02.85\00:22:04.19
Maybe I should do
something with my face.
00:22:04.22\00:22:05.55
Maybe if I change my nose
00:22:05.59\00:22:06.92
that will make
me more attractive
00:22:06.96\00:22:08.92
compared to these other girls,
00:22:08.96\00:22:10.59
and I will win
00:22:10.63\00:22:11.96
and I can better get that money.
00:22:11.99\00:22:13.33
I think too.
00:22:13.36\00:22:14.70
We see that with society,
00:22:14.73\00:22:16.06
you know, how
does it affect them
00:22:16.10\00:22:17.43
and, you know, you
essentially, I've seen
00:22:17.47\00:22:18.90
and I remember a lot of the guys
00:22:18.93\00:22:20.27
that I used to hang
out with at the strip club,
00:22:20.30\00:22:21.87
they were married.
00:22:21.90\00:22:23.24
And the wives were
like, "Oh, yes, that's fine.
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We let them do that,
you know, once in a while."
00:22:24.64\00:22:26.64
And we see that in our society
00:22:26.68\00:22:29.48
pole dancing as
a form of exercise,
00:22:29.51\00:22:32.31
you know, that's an acceptable
form of exercise nowadays.
00:22:32.35\00:22:35.45
And I think it's just really...
00:22:35.48\00:22:38.39
It affects you to the point
where you cannot differentiate
00:22:38.42\00:22:42.16
what's morally right
and what's morally wrong.
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You just do what
the book of Judges said,
00:22:45.13\00:22:47.03
"Every man did what was
right in their own eyes."
00:22:47.06\00:22:48.96
You do what was right in
your own sight regardless
00:22:49.00\00:22:51.73
and it affects you to a point
00:22:51.77\00:22:53.10
where your
discernment is completely done.
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Well, physically,
00:22:57.11\00:22:59.21
I like to piggyback
off what Brittany said.
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It's going to make you,
00:23:01.74\00:23:04.05
if you stay long
enough at some point,
00:23:04.08\00:23:05.65
you're going to
augment your body,
00:23:05.68\00:23:07.52
whether you get
tattoos in different areas,
00:23:07.55\00:23:10.35
whether you get
piercing in different areas,
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because if you
look at the sex industry
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there's different looks
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but there's this
same kind of look
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that women have
and the girls have.
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And you're going to think
you need this kind of look
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like she said, to
make this kind of money
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or to take
yourself to the next level,
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and its
different genres, you know.
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This different race
might look this way.
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And you know, in down
south and those kind of clubs,
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all the different
women might look, you know,
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a different certain ways.
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So physically, you know,
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it's like by
beholding you become change.
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Obviously, you're parents now,
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you begin to, the devil
begins to tell you mentally,
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you know, you need to change,
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or you're not good
enough and you need to do this.
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And so you start
to look at yourself
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instead of, in the
image of God made you
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and try to change yourself
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into a whole
different type of image.
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And so mentally also,
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it's going to
affect your thoughts
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and it's going to
affect your emotions.
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If you're sitting there
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and, like Jacques
said, if you're a guy
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and you're
looking at these girls,
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it's going to
affect their emotions now
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you have towards women.
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If you're the woman,
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you know, both
people are hunting
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and everybody's trying to
see who's going to be the one
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to be the predator or the prey.
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If you're a woman,
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you're going to look
at guys in the same light,
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how much money
can I get out of guys?
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They're a mill ticket as
it were, you know, to life
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and it's going to affect
your human to human interaction
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'cause you have to
shut your emotions off,
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you know, at that point.
00:24:36.40\00:24:37.91
You know, if you're using him
and he thinks he's being used
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or if he's using you,
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you can't have too
many caring feelings
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for that human
being at that point
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and keep this, you know,
cycle going week after week
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and stuff like that.
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Right.
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And I also struggled with
the whole mental and physical.
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When I first
started dance very young,
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I believe 18 years of age,
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and I went in there
with innocence, okay.
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I looked it like a
young girl which I was.
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And men liked that,
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they liked that I
was, what's the word,
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not jaded as they call it,
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I wasn't seasoned enough.
00:25:15.81\00:25:19.38
And some men didn't like it,
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they wanted a more
woman that has experience.
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It didn't matter how
well I danced or anything,
00:25:24.62\00:25:27.59
they were able to
tell that I was young,
00:25:27.62\00:25:31.23
and that I don't
have any experience.
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I haven't danced long enough.
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And they'll ask
and I'll tell them.
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So as I'm looking at other women
00:25:37.87\00:25:39.20
how the way they're
putting on their makeup,
00:25:39.23\00:25:42.60
how long their extensions are,
00:25:42.64\00:25:45.47
okay 'cause
when I first started,
00:25:45.51\00:25:47.14
I was wearing my
real hair, less make up,
00:25:47.18\00:25:51.51
and it just
wasn't enough for them
00:25:51.55\00:25:56.28
so I had to change, you know.
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And then I begin to
get sucked in this life,
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and I couldn't
get out, this life.
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So why is it so hard to get out
of the entertainment business?
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I think it comes to
some of those addictions.
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You're receiving as
it were this worship,
00:26:18.27\00:26:20.01
you're receiving this money,
00:26:20.04\00:26:21.68
and also, you know,
the devil is involved.
00:26:21.71\00:26:23.98
Satan always, you know,
00:26:24.01\00:26:25.91
take you farther
than you want to go
00:26:25.95\00:26:27.55
and keep you
there and hold you there
00:26:27.58\00:26:30.69
and nothing but the
power of the Lord can break it
00:26:30.72\00:26:34.36
so now it becomes a stronghold
00:26:34.39\00:26:36.59
because you start to
identify yourself with this sin.
00:26:36.62\00:26:40.60
This is who I am.
00:26:40.63\00:26:42.16
And when you do that,
00:26:42.20\00:26:43.53
it's always hard
for you to change.
00:26:43.57\00:26:45.57
I think to control, you
know, you mentioned earlier that
00:26:45.60\00:26:48.37
they look at you as God,
00:26:48.40\00:26:50.07
there's a central
power and control, you know,
00:26:50.11\00:26:52.61
that's the hardest
part to relinquish,
00:26:52.64\00:26:55.18
is that ability to be able to
control somebody for money too.
00:26:55.21\00:26:58.51
You know, you get
the money and control,
00:26:58.55\00:26:59.88
that's, you know,
00:26:59.91\00:27:01.25
and that kind of mentality,
that's the best of both worlds.
00:27:01.28\00:27:03.12
So I think that's
where the hardest hit is too.
00:27:03.15\00:27:08.19
Yes. It was a stronghold for me.
00:27:08.22\00:27:11.99
And I'm just so thankful that
the Lord took me from that life
00:27:12.03\00:27:16.73
because it was
really hard to let go.
00:27:16.77\00:27:19.23
If it wasn't for people
out there praying for me,
00:27:19.27\00:27:22.40
the man who is my
husband now was praying for me
00:27:22.44\00:27:25.17
and was always encouraging me,
00:27:25.21\00:27:27.41
and was always
sending me scriptures,
00:27:27.44\00:27:29.54
he actually gave
me Steps to Christ,
00:27:29.58\00:27:32.51
and I read that.
00:27:32.55\00:27:33.88
And it was just such a blessing.
00:27:33.92\00:27:35.38
And then, my
pastor, my first lady,
00:27:35.42\00:27:38.95
they were
continued to be there for me,
00:27:38.99\00:27:40.92
send me messages.
00:27:40.96\00:27:43.56
And it was just
saying that was said to me
00:27:43.59\00:27:48.03
from my friend from church,
00:27:48.06\00:27:50.17
and she says,
00:27:50.20\00:27:52.00
"Sin will take you
further than you want to go,
00:27:52.03\00:27:55.94
keep you longer
than you want to stay,
00:27:55.97\00:27:58.07
and cost you more
than you want to pay."
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