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Hello, and
welcome to "Pure Choices."
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I'm your host,
Pastor Joshua Nelson.
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And again, I'm so happy
you decided to join us today
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because we have a
very good topic today.
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I guess an exciting topic
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because the
title is, Twerk it Out.
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We're talking about dancing.
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Is dancing wrong? Okay.
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So this is
obviously a big and hot topic
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in a lot of Christian circles,
especially, Adventist circles.
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I know that it's been
frowned upon in my family.
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But we want to talk about,
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is it okay for us
to do as Christians.
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Before we get into this topic,
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like always let's
stop for a word of prayer.
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Heavenly Father, as
we discuss this topic,
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we ask that You would please,
please lead us and guide us
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in Your Spirit now.
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In Jesus' name we pray.
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Amen. Amen.
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All right.
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Well, I'm gonna start
by introducing the panel.
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On the couch here to my
right, I have Kim Pearson,
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who is the associate
chaplain at Oakwood University.
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Next to her we
have Brittany Hill,
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who is recent graduate
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at Andrews
University theological seminary.
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Happy that they both here.
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And next to them we have
another man in the group now.
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We have Vaughn Edmeade.
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And we are
happy that he is here.
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He is student at Oakwood
doing his master's I believe.
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That's right? Okay.
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So we have a good panel.
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And I, of course,
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I'm Pastor Nelson
from South Carolina.
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We got two churches down there.
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And so we're happy to
be discussing this today.
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This is a hot one, dancing.
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And we've had,
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I know that in many
circles when I'm growing up,
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we discuss this so
many times about dancing.
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So let's discuss it again today.
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What do you guys think?
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Is there anything
wrong with, with dancing?
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No body wants to
incriminate themselves.
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Well, I guess I'll start.
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Okay.
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I don't believe that there
is anything wrong with dancing.
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I believe that what,
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it depends on what
your context of dancing is,
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it depends on what your,
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I don't even want
to necessarily say
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style of dancing is, right.
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Because your style of dancing
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depending on what
kind of context you are in,
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you know, it may
be appropriate so.
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And the Bible
definitely talks about dancing
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and it speaks
about in the affirmative
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in many places.
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So that's why I would say,
I wouldn't be so quick to say
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that there is
anything wrong with dancing.
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But we may need to
discuss some circumstances
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under which it might be wrong.
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Okay. All right.
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So we have that
clear opinion there.
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Kim, what do you think?
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I actually happen to agree.
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I don't think
there is anything wrong
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with dancing in context.
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I can even imagine
that, I don't know about you,
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when I make it to heaven,
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I'm not gonna be pacing
around the streets of gold,
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like I'm going to be worshipping
like it's gonna be a party.
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And I think that
in the right context
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I think there's
nothing wrong with it
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but I think the
society, as often it does
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can taint something
that can be a good thing.
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Okay, All right. Brittany.
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I'm also in agreeance
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because I also
believe... Oh, man.
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There is nothing
wrong with dancing
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as long as it's
in its right context.
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If you're going to a
club, then maybe dancing
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is not the right
thing for you to be doing.
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If you are just
doing crazy moves
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that are just impossible
for your body then, yes.
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Impossible for your body, mercy.
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Yes, dancing is wrong
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but if you are
simply doing a two step
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'cause you are praising God
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or if your husband or
your wife and you both of you
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are just doing something
in the privacy of your room,
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I don't think anything is wrong
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if you guys want to
spice it up by dancing.
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Yeah, okay, okay.
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So it's pretty clear
that our panel believes
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that dancing, you
know is not wrong.
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Now they try to preface
it up by saying context.
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So could I go to
a club and dance?
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Is that okay?
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Should I go to
a party and dance,
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I mean, is that okay?
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Teach me please, tell me?
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Technically you do
whatever you want to do.
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You go out. You could
do whatever you want to do.
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But I think
ultimately as, as Christians,
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when we
subscribe to Christianity,
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we subscribe to God
being and His principles being,
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His check point for our
ethics and for our behavior.
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And so the check
point there would be,
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"All right, Josh, you
want to go to the club,
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you want to dance?"
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One, what's your purpose?
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Right, have fun.
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Okay, so you just
want to go and have fun.
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Have fun, yeah.
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Is dancing going to glorify God?
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Well, that's the thing.
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You know, I think that's what
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we may want to
go with this thing.
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And I'm just kind of
answering your question
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as if you're
talking straight to me
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because I mean, if
I'm going to a club
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and I know `that the music there
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is not going to
be glorifying God,
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then maybe that's
where you draw a line.
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I mean, is the club
itself the bad thing,
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is the dancing
itself the bad thing
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or is it the environment
really, that's the bad thing.
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So I guess I
had to question that
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if I was gonna go to my club.
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Thank you, Kim.
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It's hypothetical, his
asking. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But I think that's one of
the key points though, is that
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already we've had
to address something
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before we even get
to the dancing part.
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Do you see what I'm saying?
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Because the
environment is what's dictating
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what's going on
inside of that club
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and so really
your reason for dancing
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in that context has
already been determined for
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by your reason
for going to that club
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in the first place.
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You see what I'm saying.
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So that's why it's hard
to say, because there's some,
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let's say, somebody mentioned
that there me be certain moves
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that you do that
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are those
particular moves appropriate.
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I mean, certain
styles of dancing
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have similar moves, right.
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But the reason
why we're doing them
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may be different.
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You know, so
that's why I would say,
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it's hard for me to
even limit it to a move,
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you see what I'm saying.
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But why am I doing
this particular move, why?
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And dancing of course,
come from a reaction to,
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I guess, I would say, our
natural reaction to music.
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Because not like I mean,
unless, maybe some people
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would just dance just
'cause they want to dance
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but a lot of times
it's because of the music
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or of a beat or where you're at,
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you're celebrating so
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should that be where we started
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addressing that
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because I mean,
somebody would even say
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you shouldn't allow
the music to move you,
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you know, you
should just kind of
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you know, sty still
and that shouldn't be,
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you know, your
reaction to music.
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I mean, what do you think?
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I don't know.
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When I look at
examples in the Bible that say,
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"Let every
thing that hath breath
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praise the Lord."
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I'm breathing so my
praise MAY look different in,
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talks about the Holy Spirit,
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"what was like was like
fire shut up in my bones."
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I don't know about you
but if you ever been on fire,
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well, I've never been on fire.
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But I can imagine if
something shut up in me
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and it's trying to get
out and that presence in me
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does not bring to
my mind something calm
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and well put together
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and while there is time for that
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I'd like I said, I do believe
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that there is a
time for everything
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under the sun,
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which includes praising
God and responding to music.
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My life, the way I live,
the way I interact with people
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and including the
way I move my body
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is a reaction to
what God has done for me.
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Okay. So, let's just imagine
that we have to conclude it
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that dancing is okay,
okay, I mean, let's just say
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that's just the
overall statement
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people now agree,
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maybe they don't but
let's just imagine, okay.
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Dancing is okay and we're,
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it sounds like we're saying that
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it should be in a
confines of you know,
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relation with God,
praising God, dancing for Him.
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Okay.
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Are there some
movements now in dancing
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that would be considered wrong
'cause I'll be honest with you,
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I've been to some churches
now and people were dancing.
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The music was going.
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And I had to kind of doing,
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you know, sister
salsa was really,
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you know, really dancing hard.
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I mean, I'm not sure if
that was appropriate for church.
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I mean, where do you, I mean,
if you're really caught up in,
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you know, this,
I'm doing this for God,
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you know, how do you
really curtail your dancing?
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Where do you draw the line?
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That goes back to not wanting
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to cause your brother
or your sister to fall,
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I would say, right.
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So it's not that you
dance unintelligibly, right.
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We have a mind so
we're able to make decisions,
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we're able to understand
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you know, who is
watching me when I dance
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and let's not say that
you should make your dancing
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about who is watching you
other than it being for God
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and there maybe
times like somebody said,
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when you are in the
privacy of your own home,
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if you are
person who is married,
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it's just you, your
husband or your wife and God,
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and by all means, do
what you're gonna do, right.
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Right. Yeah, yeah.
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However, God has given
us a mind for a reason,
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so we know that we're in church,
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we know that's, all right,
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so women have
different parts than guys do.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And when you dance,
certain parts might move.
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And so in church,
certain party may begin moving
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or women will wear
skirts, guys don't wear skirts.
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So certain parts may show
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if you decide
to go crazy, right.
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So you have to understand
the environment once again
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that you are in,
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understand that
there are other people
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who will be affected by
that and you don't want to,
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how can you want to praise God
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but yet be
having a negative affect
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or negative influence
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on the person that is around you
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causing them to fall, right.
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Yeah, good point. Good point.
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I'm an island girl.
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So coming from the islands
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we have certain dance
moves that just happen.
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And there are all sorts
of crazy, just craziness.
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But no one has to
tell me when I go to church
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don't do the dutty wine.
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No one has to
tell me not to wine,
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I have to use these terms.
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Wine off against one
of my other brothers,
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because it's just inappropriate.
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It's not praising
God and we know it.
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So, there are
certain dance moves
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where you just know
it's not for praising God.
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It's for bringing
satisfaction to yourself,
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pleasure to yourself.
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It's creating emotions
in all parts of your body
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that should probably
be saved for your spouse
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and not for in a
public setting of worship.
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It's not worship. Right.
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So, I think
that's where it goes.
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I think that's where,
you know, knowledge comes,
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and I think
that's where you kind of
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have to draw the line
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because a lot of the dance moves
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and the type of
dances are geared to
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basically, you
know, to be sexual moves,
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you know, and sexual actions.
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So you can
stimulate those things,
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you get excited and
aroused in pleasure.
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So, yeah.
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Well, I was just going
to agree on what you said
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but also the idea
that a lot of these moves
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are meant for
self glorification.
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So the reason
why you're twerking
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or gyrating or
dutty wine or whatever is,
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it makes you
look more attractive.
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It makes you look good.
That's what you're thinking.
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Yeah, it makes people want
you and it's all centered in,
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I want to be desired,
I want to be important,
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I want to be looked
at, me, me, me, me, me.
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And when we separate
that and start to say,
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is this glorifying me,
is this putting me first,
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is this taking the
attention off of Jesus
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and putting the attention on me,
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then the line starts to
get a whole lot of less grey
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and a whole lot
more black and white.
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Yeah. Yeah. And
you'll see people now
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putting out the
videos of them dancing,
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you know, especially
with the whole twerking thing,
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right, you know.
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Because of the kids
dancing. And kids, yeah.
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And I think they
got the little dolls
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that are twerking.
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Twerking dolls. Okay.
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I mean, so it just
can really go too far
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with some of
that stuff so, yeah.
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I definitely feel
that we have to create
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or have a standard
as Christians, you know,
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I still don't
know if we really said,
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you know, I guess,
well, I guess you call
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they kind of say
you shouldn't dance
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unless it's for God.
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I don't know if we
really, you know, gonna that,
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probably we gonna go that
far, what do you all think,
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I mean, should you
draw the line and say that
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or is there a time
to dance when it's not,
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when you are not in church.
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That's what I
really want to know.
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Well, I think that
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there are number of
things that God created
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I don't think that
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they were
necessarily created just to say
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this happens when we
are specifically having like
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let's say a
worship service, right.
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He created-- Those,
for those two hours.
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I think what God does is
He created us to be beings
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who, our total lives
reflect worship to Him.
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And so, you can, if your
life reflects worship to Him,
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you can dance for fun, right.
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And you know to
dance appropriately
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is just something
that you're doing for fun.
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You know, there are other things
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that we just do for fun.
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It's not
necessarily to say that,
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oh, we are trying
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to actively intentionally
give God worship and praise
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at this very moment
when we are doing this thing.
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Okay. You see what I'm saying.
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So you have people who
dance, who do, maybe tap dancing
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or you got people who
do dance in the ballet,
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you know, these
different sorts of dancing
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and you have people who
are professors of dance.
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Different sorts of
dancing where I don't think
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it's necessarily
something where it's being said,
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oh, when you are doing this,
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you are worshipping
something else intentionally
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like you're just dancing.
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That is what you,
is, I'm a musician
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so there are
sometimes where I make music
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and it's just, oh,
well, I make music,
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like anybody who knows
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like certain
books that you learn,
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like you learn these
little songs that is like,
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oh, let's take a song,
for instance, Happy Birthday.
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We are not making
the song Happy Birthday
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in order to say, you know,
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we're thankful that
somebody had a birthday
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but it's not like we're saying,
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oh, we're praising
and worshipping right now
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during the song Happy Birthday.
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But none of us
would go ahead and say,
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that there's
something wrong with the song
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and I think the
same thing with dance.
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You might have some
dances which it's not--
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Apparently evil.
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Yeah, it's not good or evil.
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It's just is, I'm a
Christian who is dancing,
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you know what I'm saying.
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Okay, okay.
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Some people would
definitely challenge that,
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but I do like how
you put that, yeah.
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And I was gonna say, you
know, Oakwood were planning on
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taking a group
of students to Kenya
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on a mission trip this summer
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and as we're
educating them on the culture,
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the Maasai people danced
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and they dance
as they tell stories
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and that's very much a
part of African culture
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is dancing and moving
as part of telling a story,
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keeping traditions
going and things like that.
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And I would
never go over to Kenya
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and say you're sinning.
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Right, right.
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I think that we have`
to understand context,
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I think it takes a level
of maturity to approach it.
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Blanket statements
sometimes can, sometimes
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can just hinder
us from being free.
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And I think we
were created to be free,
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we were created to be free
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and I think
there's a time to celebrate
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and I think
there's a time to be still
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and there's a time to worship
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and the time to
clap and not clap
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and all those good things.
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Yeah, okay. Right.
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You know, sometimes, you
know, what I've experienced
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in the dancing
conversation is that you know,
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I'll be saying, well, you know,
I'm gonna go salsa dancing,
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I'm gonna hear, you know,
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watch an African
dancer do some, you know,
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practice an African
dance or do the tap dancing,
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you were talking about
earlier, some of the line dance,
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you know, whatever it is,
oh, that's fine, that's fine.
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It's great, okay,
little cultural, okay.
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But then as soon
as I say, you know,
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we're gonna go and
do some hip-hop dancing.
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And there is a problem,
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well, no, no, no,
you can't do that.
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So why do you, why is it
or is there something wrong
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with the hip-hop culture
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in the way that we
see that culture dancing
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is something
inherently wrong with that?
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And why has society maybe
or why has our church maybe,
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made it seem as
though, that's wrong,
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you know, if you think that,
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I guess you'd agree
with what I'm saying
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in that respect.
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So what do think?
What do you think?
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I would assume that
it deals with the fact
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that hip-hop culture
stems partially from Africa
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and Africans, they
worship their culture.
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It's deeply enrooted in
what assume to be paganism
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and because of this
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when someone sees
the hip-hop culture,
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they automatically
assume this must have
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some sort of
reference to paganism.
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It can't refer to any,
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it can't
reference to anything else.
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So it must be this.
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So I would assume
that's probably the case.
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Okay.
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That's interesting you say that.
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You know a lot of assumptions
are made especially when they,
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the culture and where the
roots are in Africa and stuff
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and you know, there is a lot of
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other dances and other
cultures that also have,
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you know, roots in
paganisms and stuff like that.
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So, you got to be very
careful with our assumptions,
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especially in terms of
styles of dance, you know.
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Someone, Vaughn,
what were you saying?
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Go ahead.
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Well, one thing, it's hard
to talk about styles of dance
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because if we are
really, if we really admit,
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we don't
necessarily know exactly
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what dancing looked
like in Bible times.
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You know, we can
pass assumptions,
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you know, maybe
some of our culture today
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might put some you know,
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might give us some
predispositions about it,
00:17:20.14\00:17:22.07
but we don't know
exactly what it looked like
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but you know, to give it,
to talk about within context
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because you know,
sometimes we may argue,
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especially, as young
people we may argue and say,
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well, we should be able to dance
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and do this, you know
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because David
danced and you know,
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David danced so
much that, you know,
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part of his garments fell
off, blah, blah, blah, right.
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But, you know, one thing
that I think is important
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for us as young people
even understand is that
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oh, and older folks also is that
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David did dance and
the context of that is that
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David, if I recall correctly
00:17:47.50\00:17:48.83
'cause I don't have the
Bible right in front of me
00:17:48.86\00:17:50.20
but if I recall
correctly, he was dancing
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because they had just
gotten back the Ark, right.
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And he is in front of the
Ark and see 'cause sometimes
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people may say well,
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don't dance in church, you know,
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and I don't, I'm not
trying to be controversial
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or anything about
doing dance at church
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but if the Ark represented,
00:18:04.18\00:18:05.55
you know, the
holy of the holies,
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and David is in
front of this thing
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and he is naturally excited
because they have the Ark back
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and he danced so hard
that his garment fell off
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and somebody, I
believe it was one of his wives
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came in and in
essence judged him, you know,
00:18:19.06\00:18:21.80
saying, reprimand him,
"Why are you acting like that?
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Why are you dancing like that?"
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And God rebuked her, you know,
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for because she was
trying to rebuke him.
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But his praise at that
point in time was authentic.
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He was naturally excited about,
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you know, that what represented
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God's presence being
with Israel was returned.
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I even remember, you know,
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I remember, when I
watch sports, right,
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and I'm naturally
excited, there was one time
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I was naturally
excited and I jumped up
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and I knocked my aunt
right in her mouth and hurt,
00:18:47.42\00:18:50.59
you know, my aunt, right.
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So, I believe God wants
us to be naturally excited.
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I don't think that
He wants us to not dance
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and I think He wants us to dance
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and be even passionate
and excited about our dance
00:19:00.40\00:19:02.54
but I think that He
wants us first of all,
00:19:02.57\00:19:04.54
to understand our
circumstances, right.
00:19:04.57\00:19:06.41
So, David didn't even notice
that somebody is watching him
00:19:06.44\00:19:08.38
and I'm sure if he knew
that somebody is watching him,
00:19:08.41\00:19:10.31
he wouldn't have
danced at a point
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where some of his
cloths were falling off, right.
00:19:11.71\00:19:13.58
But I think that
it's important for us
00:19:13.62\00:19:16.58
to be mindful
of our surroundings
00:19:16.62\00:19:19.12
but God is looking for us
to have a natural excitement
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and affection towards
Him and the things of Him.
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Right, right.
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And that's an
interesting point you know,
00:19:27.50\00:19:28.83
that He gave us
this desire to dance,
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to move in excitement, you know,
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to move our limbs
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and be excited
about things, you know,
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and to move with the rhythm
of the music that He has given.
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And that then lead us back
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to what is moving or
driving our dancing, you know.
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Is it the music
that glorifies the devil
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or things of the world
that is moving our body,
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you know, in
essence, could be leading us
00:19:53.66\00:19:56.56
to move our lives
and our decisions,
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you know, and our choices
00:19:59.09\00:20:00.43
and the music that
we are listening to?
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So, are we being
moved and changed
00:20:01.83\00:20:03.57
by the godly music,
by the things of God
00:20:03.60\00:20:06.07
or we've been
moved by the world?
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So I think
that's a good principle
00:20:07.94\00:20:09.84
that we can use when
consideration dancing.
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Is there any principles
that we can maybe add to that?
00:20:11.91\00:20:13.74
Well, I was gonna say, you know,
00:20:13.78\00:20:15.81
a lot of times we want
to justify our behavior.
00:20:15.84\00:20:20.62
I mean, let's just be
clear, twerking is wrong.
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I mean, you can
dress it up, you can dance,
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you can add on to it,
whatever you want to say,
00:20:26.39\00:20:29.42
but at the end of the day
00:20:29.46\00:20:30.99
you know that twerking is wrong.
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When you're tewrking,
and when you're dancing,
00:20:32.66\00:20:35.03
most of the time the
camera is not on your face,
00:20:35.06\00:20:38.43
it's on the rest of your body.
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And so it's a lot of
that self glorification
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so I think the other
principle to put in there is
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am I glorifying self,
am I putting self first,
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am I putting God first.
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I went to a ballet
00:20:50.98\00:20:52.58
and I was so inspired by the way
00:20:52.61\00:20:55.82
that they were moving their body
00:20:55.85\00:20:57.49
like I was like, wow, how
did the human body do that.
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And for me, I was so
impressed, I was like man,
00:21:00.22\00:21:03.09
God, we are truly,
fearfully and wonderfully made.
00:21:03.12\00:21:06.59
But sometimes we want to,
00:21:07.03\00:21:09.73
we take that out
of the wrong way.
00:21:09.76\00:21:12.47
When you are
fearfully and wonderfully made,
00:21:12.50\00:21:14.17
doesn't mean, doesn't mean
00:21:14.20\00:21:16.20
display that for everybody else,
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you know, for
everybody else to see.
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So, at the end of the
day what does the Bible say?
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Yeah, yeah.
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If Jesus was
standing right there,
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how would He feel about it?
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Right, right.
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Ok, Brittany, do you
want to add anything to that?
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Okay. It's all right. All right.
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So another thing
we have to discuss
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and talk about is
the baseline of music.
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I think a lot
of people feel that
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the reason why you're
dancing these crazy ways
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is because of
the beat, you know,
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the beat that's
in there is kind of
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moving to do some
unholy things, you know,
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so you think
there's something in that,
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you know, to say that
there are just some syncopations
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and some type of
music that it's just wrong,
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that shouldn't
because it's gonna make you
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react in a devilish way,
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we can say like
that, what do you think?
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I would have to say, no.
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And the reason why
I wouldn't say that
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the baseline has
anything to do with this
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because I mean,
a lot of baselines
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in many songs are the same,
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especially when you
talk about Western culture,
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a lot of the
baselines are the same.
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That's exactly why
musicians can play a song
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and if they hear it
they'll know, you know,
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how the song is transitioning
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because there's
just a certain way
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that Western
culture's music moves, right.
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And all of those
songs have base in it.
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But even if you go to
songs that we traditionally
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or music that we
traditionally accept
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such as let's say
classical, for instance, right.
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Those, if you go to a
symphony, they have bases,
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big standing bases
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and sometimes when I'm
listening to a classical piece,
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I'm moving with the
music also, you know.
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And when you
look often at moves,
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let's say such as twerking,
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which we kind of
know just by looking at it
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that there's something
just not right with that, right.
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When we look at
that, that something that
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a lot of dance moves
that people do today,
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which we may
consider inappropriate
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are things that they go
home and actually practice.
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It actually doesn't necessarily,
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like I don't know
anybody who began twerking
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simply because
they heard a baseline.
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Okay. Do you
see what I'm saying?
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But because they
were trying to find out,
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well, what can I do to
bring more attention to myself
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and separate my dancing
from all the other dancing
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that's out there
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then, I have to go
home and sit and find a way,
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what can I do to make
things more, spice things up,
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make things more interesting
and bring it back, you know.
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So it goes back to
the, I mean, a base,
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God created the
lower ending sound,
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you see what I'm saying.
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Like it's not, it's, we
didn't create it, right.
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Satan didn't even create it.
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God created that.
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But He created it for His glory,
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you see what I'm saying.
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So-- Okay.
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And I mean, also
we're looking at too
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with the whole baseline thing
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as lot of times
you go to some churches
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and certain, you know,
00:23:54.10\00:23:55.43
you wonder are people
really dancing and moving
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because of the word,
because of the presence of God
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or it's because that
person hit that key, that chord,
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adjust that right way,
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you know, or the base was
doing the right thing, you know.
00:24:04.14\00:24:06.47
So I think we have
to consider that as well
00:24:06.51\00:24:09.64
to make sure that
we're not just getting moved
00:24:09.68\00:24:12.31
against our will by the music
00:24:12.35\00:24:15.42
but that again, you
know, you were saying before,
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the excitement,
the genuine excitement
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that you have for, you know,
just natural reaction to it.
00:24:18.19\00:24:22.22
So we are making
clear that we are not saying
00:24:22.26\00:24:24.49
we need to go to
clubs, don't go no parties
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and we're dancing all
crazy with this music and stuff.
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You got to first remember
that you are the child of God,
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you have a reputation to uphold
00:24:33.60\00:24:35.90
because you are a
citizen of the kingdom
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and so your action
should mirror that.
00:24:39.17\00:24:41.84
Okay, go ahead.
00:24:41.88\00:24:43.21
I was gonna say that
I think a lot of times
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we have to remember
that we are advertisements.
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We are walking billboards.
00:24:47.68\00:24:49.58
So whatever I'm doing,
I'm advertising something.
00:24:49.62\00:24:53.02
If I go and I get a
sandwich from a restaurant
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and I'm eating it, I'm
advertising that sandwich
00:24:56.26\00:24:58.83
to the people who are around me.
00:24:58.86\00:25:00.33
If I'm moving my
body in a certain way,
00:25:00.36\00:25:02.06
I'm advertising
something. I'm giving a message.
00:25:02.10\00:25:05.27
So what message am I portraying?
00:25:05.30\00:25:07.20
When I show up at that party,
00:25:07.24\00:25:09.47
and the music is
going or whatever,
00:25:09.50\00:25:11.17
what message am I
sending by one, by being there,
00:25:11.21\00:25:14.28
but two, by the
way I'm moving my body.
00:25:14.31\00:25:15.84
When I'm in charge
and I'm doing whatever,
00:25:15.88\00:25:18.65
what message, what billboard,
what am I advertising,
00:25:18.68\00:25:21.62
am I advertising worship,
am I advertising praise,
00:25:21.65\00:25:24.19
am I advertising
myself or my cloths,
00:25:24.22\00:25:27.16
am I advertising the beat,
am I advertising the musicians,
00:25:27.19\00:25:30.89
who am I
presenting when I present me
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when whatever
way that looks like.
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That's a good one.
00:25:35.50\00:25:36.83
And I think to
go along with that,
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I think part of is that
we need to abide in Christ
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because dancing is
one of those subjects
00:25:42.34\00:25:44.74
that is hard to-- like we said,
00:25:44.77\00:25:47.18
put an
overarching rule or law on
00:25:47.21\00:25:51.15
to say that every single,
we know exactly what is right,
00:25:51.18\00:25:54.28
what is wrong, blah, blah, blah.
00:25:54.32\00:25:55.65
But when we have a relationship,
00:25:55.68\00:25:57.02
there is certain
thing, there's certain way
00:25:57.05\00:25:58.39
that I treat my
mother, and I treat my father
00:25:58.42\00:25:59.85
and my brothers
and sisters and friends
00:25:59.89\00:26:01.66
simply because
I've abide with them
00:26:01.69\00:26:03.76
to the point where I
know what pleases them
00:26:03.79\00:26:05.23
and what wouldn't please them.
00:26:05.26\00:26:06.59
And I think it's
the same thing with God,
00:26:06.63\00:26:07.96
like we have to get to a point
where we are in His presence
00:26:08.00\00:26:10.07
so much that even if there's
not necessarily a law or rule
00:26:10.10\00:26:13.34
against or for something,
00:26:13.37\00:26:15.20
we can kind of begin to
sense how does God feel about it
00:26:15.24\00:26:17.64
simply because we've
been in His presence so much
00:26:17.67\00:26:19.67
that we just know Him
so well so we can say,
00:26:19.71\00:26:22.44
you know what, that wouldn't
please my Father up in heaven.
00:26:22.48\00:26:24.51
I'm gonna stay away from it.
00:26:24.55\00:26:26.21
Wow, and really having,
00:26:26.25\00:26:28.22
you know, the-- I
guess, the ability to do that,
00:26:28.25\00:26:32.62
you know, the passion for
God to do that and not say,
00:26:32.65\00:26:35.36
oh, well, I'm too
embarrassed to do that.
00:26:35.39\00:26:37.19
I'm too shy to do that.
00:26:37.23\00:26:38.56
But being bold, I guess
this is one way for being bold
00:26:38.59\00:26:40.53
to be that for God.
00:26:40.56\00:26:42.13
So I appreciate that.
00:26:42.16\00:26:43.50
All right, real quick you guys,
00:26:43.53\00:26:44.87
we're gonna move to
our rapid fire questions.
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You have 10 seconds to
answer these questions, okay?
00:26:46.27\00:26:48.20
These random
questions, ya'll ready?
00:26:48.24\00:26:50.44
All right, here they
go. All right, here they go.
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All right.
00:26:52.37\00:26:53.71
Should you still be in church
and live in a sinful life?
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Kim, what do you think?
00:26:58.51\00:27:00.95
Yes, I think if you're
sick, you go to the hospital.
00:27:00.98\00:27:04.59
If I have a disease, I
go the where the cure is,
00:27:04.62\00:27:06.42
So if I'm sinning,
00:27:06.45\00:27:07.79
I need to get to
Jesus 'cause He's the cure.
00:27:07.82\00:27:09.16
Okay. Another question.
00:27:09.19\00:27:10.59
Why do you think that
00:27:10.63\00:27:12.19
the church has looked
down upon homosexual so badly?
00:27:12.23\00:27:17.50
While the church doesn't agree
with the homosexual lifestyle,
00:27:17.53\00:27:21.67
you know, we
still need to understand
00:27:21.70\00:27:23.17
how to treat sinners
which we are sinners also
00:27:23.20\00:27:26.84
with the same love that
Jesus would have showed them.
00:27:26.88\00:27:28.58
And I think that a
church just need to continue
00:27:28.61\00:27:30.41
educating themselves
as to how to do that.
00:27:30.45\00:27:32.05
Okay, and last one quickly,
00:27:32.08\00:27:33.42
is it possible
not to lust, Brittany?
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All things are
possible with God.
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Amen. Amen. All right.
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Let's close with this
reading from Psalms 149:3.
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"Let Him praise
His name with dancing
00:27:43.49\00:27:46.39
and make music to Him
with timbrel and harp."
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At the end of the
day, you can dance
00:27:48.86\00:27:50.97
but you got to
dance for your God
00:27:51.00\00:27:52.33
and do whatever He
has called you to do.
00:27:52.37\00:27:54.07
So, at the end of the
day, whatever you decide to do,
00:27:54.10\00:27:55.77
make sure you make pure choices.
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God bless. Have a good day.
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