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Hello, and
welcome to Pure Choices.
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I'm your host,
Pastor Joshua Nelson.
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I'm so excited that
you decided to join us.
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We're gonna have a
good discussion today.
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Our topic today is making
God's choices, your choices.
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You know, the title of this
whole program is Pure Choices.
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And a lot of times,
I've often wondered,
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well, I have some ideas,
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I have
something's that I want to do,
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but how can I
actually make my choices
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become what God
want, God choices.
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So we're gonna
discuss that today.
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But before we get right into it,
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let us just pause
for a word of prayer.
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Heavenly Father, we ask now
as we seek after Your choices
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that You would fill
our hearts and our minds
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through this discussion,
in Jesus' name we pray.
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Amen. Amen.
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All right, let's
introduce our panel,
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to my left I
have Pastor KP Douglas
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from Southeast Missouri,
well, he's pastoring there,
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two churches there
in Southeast Missouri.
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And then over here on the couch,
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we have Pastor John Coaxum,
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from, he's pastoring at
the Glenville SDA Church,
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over in Cleveland,
Ohio, happy to have him.
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Also we have, Dr. Jeanne Mogusu,
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who is over at the
seminary in Andrews
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and we're happy
she's here with us today.
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And we have Kim Pearson,
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who is the associate chaplain
over at Oakwood University.
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So we have a great panel today
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and we're gonna start
with this powerful discussion,
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making God's
choices our choices.
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Let's start with
the first question,
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how do you
really get to the point
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where you begin
to make the choices
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that God want you to make?
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Well, I think we kind of
start off on the wrong-foot
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if we say, how do
you get to the point?
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Okay.
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I think we've already
set ourselves off for failure
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when we say, when we set a mark
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that we ourselves
are trying to reach.
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Okay.
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I think that God
allows us to make choices.
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I definitely think that He,
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the choices He wants us to make.
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I don't know if we, like I
say, try to reach our mark,
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you know, I think we'd
become a little legalistic
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when we do that,
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because we
actually set out to do that.
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Earlier, last week, I
was reading a devotion
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and I came across, you know,
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we'd said that we
should have really abide in God
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and even I'm not sure,
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if I've talked
to anybody before,
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but I remind myself when
Christ says, "Follow me."
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You know, "Follow me"
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doesn't really
tell you about points,
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it just says, you know,
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get behind me
wherever I go you kind of go.
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I think that when
you abide with God
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that your
choices begin to change.
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You know, when you kind of stay
in constant contact with Him
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that will kind of influence
the choices that you make.
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Okay, but let me back
up us a little further
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because I wanna
even challenge it.
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I'm challenging my
own question because how,
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what if you don't even
really want to be with God?
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How do you even get that desire
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that you even want to be
with the one or follow the one
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that would give you that
desire to have pure choice,
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I mean, where do you, you know,
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how do you even get
to that point, you know?
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I think God does
the work of drawing,
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as well as the work of
sustaining you as well.
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I think Christ said it best
that no one can come to this
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unless the Father draws him.
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And so even our desire to
have a relationship with God
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that actually comes from God.
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Right.
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Essentially, we do nothing
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but we act on
what God begins in us.
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The Bible talks about,
he who started or began
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the good work in you
will bring it unto completion.
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Right.
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But I also wanna say
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that I think that
when we are in Christ
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everything changes
not just our thought
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and our decisions, literally,
everything that we do,
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how we think, you know, I
think our appearance changes,
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you know, the word says,
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"If any man be in
Christ, he's a new creature."
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New creature.
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"Old things are passed away,
behold all things become new."
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Yeah, yeah,
that's good. All right.
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I agree with that, but I think
I wanna challenge that as well
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and take it back in even further
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to where Joshua was saying,
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what do you do if
I'm not even ready
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to get to the point
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where I wanna make pure choices?
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What do I do if I'm there?
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And I will say that
you have to get to a point,
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it's kind of a cliché(C)
phrase, but you have to be sick
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and tired of
being sick and tired.
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You have to be tired
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of the result
or the consequences
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that the current
choices you're making
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are leading you towards and say,
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I want something different,
I want something better.
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And, of course, it's
the responsibility of us
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as Christians to model
with those things look like.
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But get to the
point where you don't want
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where you are in life at.
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And then, yeah,
you get tired of it
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and then ask God to
come in and just help you.
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And the Bible says
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that the Holy
Spirit working in you
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that gives you both
the will and the power.
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So he'll give you the will first
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and then the power.
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So... Yeah, amen.
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I challenge
that. Okay, go ahead.
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On everything.
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And I was doing about the
same Bible study from last week.
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I asked the question.
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It read, it brought us to
the text where Jesus says,
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love your enemies as yourself.
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And it asked the
question, what is an enemy?
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Then it follow that question
up with, what about yourself?
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Do you consider an enemy?
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And I immediately began to think
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of everything wrong about me,
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that is, you know,
my procrastinations,
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the sins I
commit, the bad habits.
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And while I was
reflecting on it,
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it's almost like God
came to me was like Korey,
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that's not really the enemy.
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The enemy in you is really
not the bad things that you do,
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but the good that you wanna do.
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Because naturally,
whenever we wanna do good,
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we begin to fight against it.
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You know, and so
I think we view God
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from this point of view
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where we're coming to
God trying to get stuff.
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You know, we want the
blessing, we want even,
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and its good intentions,
we do want to be made new.
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But in that same text, it
says that God, the way He loves,
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the way He does things
is He doesn't do things
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in order to get from us.
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He gives, not receive, not
wanting anything in return,
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and I think that our
relationship with God
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should really be,
you just start to say,
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I'm only saying this because
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it was a
paradigm shift for me too.
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Imagine a relation with
God that is not based on
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me wanting to become better,
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but based on the fact that
I just simply love who God is,
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you know, and so I
just give my all to Him,
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not expecting
anything in return.
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But what I do receive in
return may be pure choices.
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Okay, so he begins to shape you
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and to make you
into who you are.
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I gotta jump in real quick
because something Korey said
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I think can be
taken in the wrong way
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is that the enemy in
you is the good in you.
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And that's true until
you surrender to Christ.
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The enemy in you
is the good in you
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when you're living in the flesh.
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When you're not
surrendering to Christ,
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when you don't want Christ
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'cause you are not
gonna want to be inclined
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to do the good thing.
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But I think when you do decide,
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hey, I want something different,
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I wanna be more like Christ,
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then the enemy in you
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does become the
flesh versus this,
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the flesh versus the spirit.
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But until you
make that decision,
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I wanna be careful in
saying that the enemy in you
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is the good
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and I think that's true
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until you give
your life to Christ.
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You give your life to Christ
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then that's the war between
the flesh and the spirit.
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Okay.
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Let's go with Jeanne
and then go back to Korey.
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I wanna rephrase
what he said in terms of,
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it's not so much the good in us
as it is the lack of surrender
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for what is in us, period.
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Because when we
don't surrender to Christ,
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then we're trying to
do all of these things
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of our own
freewill and we cannot.
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There's absolutely no way
that we can in our own flesh
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do everything
that Christ asks us
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which is why He
tells you, Follow me.
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He prefaces it with that.
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That's why in the
whole book of Mark,
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if you'll read the
gospel from cover to cover.
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He starts doing
things for, like,
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performing all these miracles
and He keeps telling to people,
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don't say who I am, don't
say who I am, don't go tell the,
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you know, it seems
ludicrous when you read it,
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how He performs a miracle
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and then tells you
don't go and tell anybody.
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But He does that
until He explains to them
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what it really
means to follow Him.
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You know, deny
yourself and then follow me.
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Because He recognizes
that you cannot do all of this
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until you really come
to know who He is first
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which I think is
what Korey is leading to.
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Until you know who He
is first in and of himself
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and then you can follow Him,
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so when we try to do
things of us of our own will,
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that's when the good in us
becomes our greatest enemy.
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Well, let me
just kind of clean up
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what I was saying.
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Clean it up, man.
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The question
that I posed it asks,
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what do you treat as the enemy?
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You know, and it's not so
much as what is the enemy,
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because of course the
bad things are your enemy
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but there is the
struggling of the two natures.
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And when you initially
come to God, as a person,
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you don't have to
try to do bad stuff.
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The bad stuff happens naturally,
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it's only when you
try to do the good stuff
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that you begin
to debate, you know,
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and I thought about it.
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You know, when somebody
cuts me off from highway?
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Nobody had to teach
me what road ridge was,
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I just did it.
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I just was mad
that I got cut off.
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But it's when I
wanna treat somebody good,
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when I wanna do
something nice for somebody,
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when I wanna kick a habit,
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that's when the
debating in my mind starts.
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Well, should I
really do something nice?
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Because there ain't
nobody be doing nice for me.
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And they just,
they're not gonna change
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if I'd do something nice
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and we'd begin to war
against the thing in us
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that wants to do good
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and I'm saying we
treat that as the enemy.
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You know, as we talk about,
you know, making pure choices,
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the thing about God is
so beautiful is He says,
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"Follow Me, abide in Me."
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The longer and
the more we do that,
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the more we stay in God
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is the more that
the paradigm shifts.
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The more we feed the good
side, you know what I'm saying,
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is the more that
it begins to grow
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and it becomes less of the enemy
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and the bad things
begins to become the enemy.
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So we're, we don't...
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just how we don't have
to rethink about doing bad,
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we don't have to think
about making pure choices
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because it begins
to become a part of us
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and we war
against the bad stuff.
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And that happens
when you really develop
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a relation with Jesus
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and you really
get to know who He is.
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You know, I
think that, you know,
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and I have heard
different people say, you know,
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"Does God really exists?"
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or wondering, you know,
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different things about God
in their Christianity faith.
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And I think to myself, you know,
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I can never get to that point
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because of me
really understanding
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who Jesus is and
getting to know Him.
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Once you read about
Him, you study about Him,
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and you read what He says,
how He speaks, how He talks,
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and how He does things,
and what He does for people
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and just
experiencing His spirit,
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you just naturally say,
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"Man, I wanna be like this guy,
you know, I wanna be like Him,
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I wanna be close to Him,
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and next to Him
as much as I can."
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So I think when
you get to that point,
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you automatically
begin to make pure choices
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and you begin,
your whole mindset
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begins to change
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just because
you're attracted to Jesus.
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You know, and that
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automatically lead
you to pure choices.
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However, in saying that
great thing that we've said it
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and the idea of how it is,
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we know that even in
our Christian journey
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as beautiful, as great,
as lovely as His picture is,
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how Jesus looks,
we have fallen off,
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we made, it has setbacks.
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So let's now be a little real
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and maybe a little
transparent to our viewers
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because there are
many people like us
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who have to start it
off with that image of Jesus
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in front of them.
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Trying to make pure
choices but have faltered off.
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So what do you really do?
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How do you come back
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when you have
made impure choices
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in your Christian journey?
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Well, I think one of the
things we talked about was
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you gotta feed the
spirit and starve the flesh,
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and to me a choice is a decision
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you make every day, right?
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So for me, it starts
first thing in the morning.
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I know, for me it's
easy, my phone literally,
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is usually right by my
bed, and the first thing I do
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when I wake up in the morning
is check Facebook or Instagram
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or Twitter or see
whatever it was that I missed.
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And I saw this
Instagram picture that said,
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you know, you gotta have
39 Bible apps on your phone,
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but the first thing
you check is Instagram.
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And so for me the first
practical step I had to make
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was to choose Jesus
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at the beginning
of my day, first.
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Amen.
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So before I
check any social media
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or anything like that,
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I had to make sure that
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I was checking
it with Jesus first.
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So that was my first
checkpoint of the day.
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Our Lord, helped
me get my choices,
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help me get my mind right,
help me get my thoughts right,
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go with me through this day.
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Then the next step in
the day, all right, Lord,
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I'm getting dressed
now, what am I gonna wear?
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Do you think
this is the good idea?
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You know, and just really
being transparent with God.
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I think this
shirt is kind of dull,
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but it's a little revealing,
should I wear this shirt?
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Should I not wear?
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And just be honest with God
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and as you start to
involve Him in your day,
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He starts to help
you with those choices.
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I think it's easy, I love
where Kim is going with this
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because we've gotten this
detached view of God like,
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He is so far, He
is high up there,
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sitting on a throne,
with a gavel in His hand,
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thinking, "Oh, Korey, oops!
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There you go, you know,
you didn't do that right."
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"Oh, John, you
know, do that right."
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But that's
really not what God is
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or we seem to think that
we cannot be real with God.
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He only wants to
hear the fluffy stuff.
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But our
relationship with God is like
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a relationship
with anybody else.
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Well, not quite anybody
else, but I wanna be real.
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If I wanted, I want depth,
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if I'm in a
relationship with John
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and I want depth
in our relationship.
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I will spend time with
John, I will be real with John,
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I will allow John
to see who I really am
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so that he can
know who I, you know,
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so we can both know each other,
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and I think it's
the same thing with God.
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You want God to
see the real you,
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He already knows your thoughts.
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He already knows that
you don't feel like praying
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so just you can be
real with Him and say,
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"You know what Lord?
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Today I really
don't feel like praying,
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but you know I
wanna spend time with You.
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Help me want to
spend time with You."
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Yeah. That's a good prayer.
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Yeah, I agree with you 100%.
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I think it's futile
for us to try to, you know,
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mask or cover up our
inconsistencies with God.
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You know, as Bible
says he, we're already naked
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before Him anyway and
I think this speaks to,
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you know, one of my
favorite stories again
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is a prodigal son.
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I think, Kim may have touched
on this at the beginning,
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in order for us to really
have relationship with God
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and really desire and
want to make pure choices,
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then we have got to
come to the end of ourselves.
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And I think the prodigal son,
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when he found himself in
that ditch with the pigs,
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you know, he
looked around and is like,
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"What am I doing here?
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Why am I here?
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I'm at the bottom of
the barrel, I have nothing.
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I could be home with my father
where there is everything.
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He loves me, what in
the world am I doing here?"
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And I think we have
to recognize the path
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that we are
going down on right now
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is not gonna
take us anywhere good.
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And so I need God more
than anything right now.
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And I love, you know,
there's a quote that says man,
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"The pain of staying
the same must be greater
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than the pain of change."
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We've got to realize,
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I would rather go through
the pain of changing my life,
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than going through the
pain of staying the same
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and not making pure
choices or getting better.
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Yeah, I love that.
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So, you know, and that's man,
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that's some good
comments you've made.
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And you know, thinking
about going a little further,
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you know, and just
really being honest.
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A lot of times,
when people keep making
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so many mistakes
and keep messing up
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and keep making
those impure choices
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and keep staying the same
like you're saying, you know,
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it gets kind of discouraging.
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And he'd say,
"Well, you know, man,
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I don't know if I
can do this anymore.
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What's the
point of even trying?"
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Maybe just go back to
why you shouldn't be trying.
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But let's start with
that, what if someone is tired
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of trying to
live a Christian life?
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You know, the
question is beautiful.
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I would have said
this before the question,
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but I think it's
still appropriate.
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You know, I
think we think too hard
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about Christian
journey, Christian life.
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I think we try really hard
because of how we pray to God,
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because he's so
complicated, he's so far,
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we gotta go above and
beyond the call of duty.
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But God says I want
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and Kim says the best word ever,
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relationship.
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When I'm, you know, I'm engaged,
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you don't have to tell me
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how to be in a
relationship with my fiancée,
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I know how to relate to her.
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You know what I'm saying?
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I want to be with her
for the rest of my life
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and even though we are currently
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1000 plus miles
apart, I spend time with her.
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Just like you
said with Facebook,
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when I get up in the morning,
first thing I do is I text her
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or I check to see
if she's texted me.
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If she hasn't text, I call.
If I don't call, she calls me.
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If we're not
calling, we're on FaceTime.
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Amen.
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When we're not on FaceTime,
you know what I'm saying.
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Come on, Korey.
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And when we're on FaceTime,
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sometimes we maybe in a
deep-seeded conversation,
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other times we may be
just looking at each other.
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I may be doing work,
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she may be doing
something completely different,
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but we're still on FaceTime.
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You know, I just maybe
looking at the back of her head.
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In the presence...
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But the key is
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we stay in constant
contact with each other.
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And I think that's what
we missed that about God.
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You know, we think that
God wants contact in this way
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or this time or in
what do one method.
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God is just
saying, just be with me.
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God spends constant
contact with us all the time.
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He speaks to me
through you, through a text,
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through John
with encouraging word,
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through Kim hitting me up.
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You know, God is always
dropping something on me,
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blessing a
family member, you know,
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even speaking personally to me.
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And He's saying, "I
just want that from you,
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just stay in contact with me."
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And as you do that, you know,
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the thing about relationship
that's so beautiful is,
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the same fiancée who I
love and will do the most for
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is the same fiancée
that I may have to rebuke
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because, you know,
I may see something
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that I seem to rebuke
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or that she may
have to rebuke me.
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There are
moments where we don't,
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where we may be
mad at each other
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and we'll still be on FaceTime.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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You know what I'm
saying, it's just about
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staying in constant contact
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and I think that's the beauty
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of this whole Christian journey.
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All right.
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I just wanna say that I think
that it's all about choices.
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I know that sounds
a little cliché(C),
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but if I decide that I want food
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and I need to eat,
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I don't want to eat
just once and be like,
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"Okay, I ate,
never gonna eat again."
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It's a constant choice
that you make every single day.
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We make choices every single day
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to get up and go to
class, get up and go to work.
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I don't just decide
once I'm gonna get up
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and then automatically
it happens every day
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for the rest of my life.
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I have to decide
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and even though I'm not married,
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I'm sure, you know,
you're engaged, you're married,
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that you have to
choose your wife,
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you choose your wife every day.
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I have to choose God every day,
even when I don't feel like it.
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Sometimes we get
so laid by feelings,
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we forget that we
have to make choices.
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So it's a choice.
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I might not feel
like serving God.
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I might not
feel like being pure.
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But I need to keep
choosing it every time.
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I may have messed
up, twice, three times,
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I messed up last
week, and then this month,
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and then last night.
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I'm gonna get up today
and choose to be pure today.
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And when I get up tomorrow
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and then choose
to be pure tomorrow.
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Yeah.
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And honestly, it's
tough, it's a struggle
00:18:57.87\00:18:59.90
and often times we think
that God is gonna, you know,
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flip a switch in us and
make us now we don't like
00:19:02.07\00:19:04.17
anything evil anymore, you know.
00:19:04.21\00:19:05.57
But it's a
struggle, we have to fight
00:19:05.61\00:19:07.44
to keep making
those pure choices,
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but like we're
saying, as you're with Jesus
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and you're in that relationship,
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it becomes a choice that
almost becomes automatically,
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like you said, routine like,
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eating and everything like that.
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It becomes part of
your life, you know,
00:19:17.69\00:19:20.72
but let's now really deal
with some practical things.
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Now one of our
Sabbath school lessons
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is talking about
discipleship, right?
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And really, you know,
00:19:28.80\00:19:30.40
the disciplines
and the discipleship.
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So what are some disciplines
that have worked in your life,
00:19:31.87\00:19:35.34
we're gonna go to the
screen in few minutes.
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But what are some disciplines
in your life that has worked
00:19:36.94\00:19:39.44
in building your
relationship with Jesus?
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I wanna start
with Jeanne, go ahead.
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I have found that
journaling helps me
00:19:44.91\00:19:47.48
because I have a
very active brain
00:19:47.52\00:19:49.75
like it's
constantly moving and working,
00:19:49.78\00:19:53.39
there're like 10,000 things
00:19:53.42\00:19:54.76
literally in my
mind at any given time.
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So sometimes it's hard to like
00:19:56.83\00:19:59.39
just be still in God's presence,
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but I have found
that when I journal,
00:20:03.30\00:20:05.93
like I journal my
prayers in the morning,
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I find that I'm able to
because I'm concentrating
00:20:08.70\00:20:11.34
and I'm writing,
00:20:11.37\00:20:12.71
I'm using more
than one of my senses,
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I find that it actually
allows me to converse with God.
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And after doing
that for a while,
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it actually can help
me be still, you know,
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because I recognized
that it is part of my worship.
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It's me expressing to
God what I want to say
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and concentrating on what
he also wants to say to me.
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Okay, all right.
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Quickly, John. Yeah, reading.
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Reading is big for me, man.
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I mean, books, the Bible
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and also from time
to time in the morning
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I'll take up my
guitar and I'll play
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and I've been
playing the hymn for a while.
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Just looking at the words
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and what they're saying
has really helped me in,
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you know, just
drawing me closer to God,
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I'm spending time with
Him early in the morning.
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But reading and just,
as the word says, you know,
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storing that
word up in my heart,
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it helps me for
like a better phrase,
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not to sin against Him.
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Yeah, all right. Kim.
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On two things, I've
been going to the gospels,
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and just really painting
the picture with my senses.
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What would have been
like to go through that
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and I kind of write
that down journaling.
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But serving, I mean,
the hardest thing you can do
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when you're struggling
is to stay in the struggle.
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Sometimes you gotta get out,
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go do some community service
with your church, you know,
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go help some friends, go shovel,
00:21:21.24\00:21:23.71
you know, your
next door neighbor's
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snow out of their
driveway, go feed the homeless.
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Get involved, do something
that works against those urges
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or whatever it is
you're struggling with.
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So for me that helps
and then praise and worship.
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Turn on a jam...
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There you go. Yeah.
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Amen. Kim kind
of took my answer.
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I would say anything that
takes your mind off of you
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is beautiful.
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And just like you said service
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because if I can
go back to beginning,
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God gives, God loves
without expecting love
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in return.
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And Jesus said, be
perfect do the same thing.
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We ought to engage
other people in relationships.
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Serving, I'm talking about
calling people, instead of,
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you know, who
wants to sit around
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and think about what's
wrong with them all time.
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You know, I'm such a
sinner, I mean, after a while,
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you gonna be a sinner if
you keep calling yourself
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a sinner.
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So take the
attention off of you.
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Go do something nice,
spend time with people,
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spend time with friends, do
things that you enjoy doing,
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just live life, but
take your mind off you.
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Serving people is probably,
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I would say the
number one thing to do.
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Do stuff for other people. Amen.
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And for me, I think it's
been, recently being married.
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Being able to have that
devotional time with my wife,
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I mean, and even
trying to think about ways
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to make her happy
throughout the day
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and stuff has
really kind of gave me
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to be in relationship with Jesus
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and showing me
whatever He does for me.
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You know, I'm trying to
do the same thing for her.
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So that's been powerful for me.
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All right, now
let's go the screen
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and see what these
students have to say.
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The thing about
cliché(C) is that they're true.
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They're true. No one
just wants to hear them.
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So when someone says that
your relationship with God
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is gonna be the thing
that's gonna change this,
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it is.
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As you sweep the
house in your heart,
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as you sweep it out
and the sin moves out,
00:23:02.04\00:23:05.01
you need God to move in
because if you, if it's open,
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if it's open, the demons
are just gonna come back.
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So you need to
wake up in the morning,
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have a devotional life.
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You need to be in
constant communication with God.
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And it may sound like a
cliché(C) but it's true, it'll
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work. Yeah, that's it.
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That was good.
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Passionate young
man, I mean, it's true.
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You gotta be
intentional about this thing.
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You can't just think
it's gonna happen, you know.
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You have to be
really intentional about it
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and taking your
devotional life seriously.
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And I think I really
wanna encourage everyone
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who is watching to really make
that a big part in their life.
00:23:34.78\00:23:37.91
I mean, the
journal thing you said,
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I mean, someone may
say, you know, "Really?
00:23:39.58\00:23:41.78
I don't have time for that."
00:23:41.82\00:23:43.15
But if you're really intentional
00:23:43.18\00:23:44.59
about the
relationship with Jesus,
00:23:44.62\00:23:45.95
you're gonna find a way to
start doing that, you know,
00:23:45.99\00:23:48.06
your praises, you
know, your services,
00:23:48.09\00:23:50.73
you're gonna
find a way to do that.
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All right, we have
one more I believe,
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let's see what they have to say.
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I would say
definitely to be constant
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and immediate in prayer.
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There's a lot of times
when we're like, you know,
00:24:01.50\00:24:03.54
"I really do need to work
on my relationship with God.
00:24:03.57\00:24:05.71
I really do need to stop
doing this or stop doing that."
00:24:05.74\00:24:08.38
And just like when that thing,
as soon as that thing happens,
00:24:08.41\00:24:11.38
like just
immediately, turn to prayer
00:24:11.41\00:24:13.55
and tell God
exactly what's going on
00:24:13.58\00:24:15.22
and be transparent with Him.
00:24:15.25\00:24:16.79
And even when your
friends are having difficulties,
00:24:16.82\00:24:18.75
don't say, "I'll pray for you."
00:24:18.79\00:24:20.26
But pray for them
right in the moment.
00:24:20.29\00:24:21.96
So that you're showing
them the you're an example
00:24:21.99\00:24:24.43
for exactly how
it should be done.
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Wow, I love that one
00:24:27.73\00:24:29.36
because don't
we always say that,
00:24:29.40\00:24:30.83
"I'll pray for you."
00:24:30.87\00:24:32.33
We never do. Yeah, we never do.
00:24:32.37\00:24:34.00
I mean, at least I try to
say a word of prayer in my head
00:24:34.04\00:24:36.67
but it not, stop and
pray with them right then.
00:24:36.71\00:24:38.47
But, you know,
prayer is a powerful,
00:24:38.51\00:24:41.64
powerful tool that we have.
00:24:41.68\00:24:43.01
You know, we take
it lightly sometimes,
00:24:43.04\00:24:44.38
we don't pray as
much as we should.
00:24:44.41\00:24:45.75
Bible says pray
without ceasing, right?
00:24:45.78\00:24:47.35
And so we really have
a tool and access to God
00:24:47.38\00:24:50.55
that we can use through prayer.
00:24:50.59\00:24:53.22
So it's been a good discussion
but before we close today,
00:24:53.25\00:24:56.59
I wanna have some
rapid fire questions
00:24:56.62\00:24:58.06
to kind of, see
if you all can answer
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some questions on your feet.
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Do we get some points?
Yeah, you do get some points.
00:25:01.80\00:25:04.73
Okay, here we go, here we go.
00:25:04.77\00:25:06.30
Answer it, real
quick, real quick.
00:25:06.33\00:25:08.47
Why do you think it's so hard,
00:25:08.50\00:25:09.84
why do you think
it's easier to compromise?
00:25:09.87\00:25:12.07
Kim?
00:25:12.11\00:25:13.44
Because we're
inclined to sin, feels good.
00:25:13.48\00:25:16.44
If it didn't feel
good, then we wouldn't sin.
00:25:16.48\00:25:17.81
So I think we're inclined to do
00:25:17.85\00:25:19.18
because we're inclined to flesh.
00:25:19.21\00:25:20.55
Yeah, what do you think?
Why is it easier to compromise?
00:25:20.58\00:25:21.92
Yeah, absolutely, I agree,
00:25:21.95\00:25:23.28
it is easy because
mostly the majority of the world
00:25:23.32\00:25:25.82
is doing the same thing.
00:25:25.85\00:25:27.19
So we wanna fit in
with everybody else.
00:25:27.22\00:25:28.56
Okay, next question.
00:25:28.59\00:25:29.92
Do you think that the church,
00:25:29.96\00:25:31.29
people in the
church are more promiscuous
00:25:31.33\00:25:32.73
than the people in the world?
00:25:32.76\00:25:34.10
Jeanne?
00:25:34.13\00:25:35.46
I think the church
is the cross section
00:25:35.50\00:25:36.83
of the society.
00:25:36.87\00:25:38.93
We're just talking about it.
00:25:38.97\00:25:41.20
It's a cross
section of the society
00:25:41.24\00:25:42.70
and unfortunately the
church should hold standards
00:25:42.74\00:25:46.84
that are higher than the world,
00:25:46.88\00:25:48.21
but I think in
today's world, unfortunately,
00:25:48.24\00:25:51.65
our church does not do that.
00:25:51.68\00:25:54.52
I don't think so. I don't
think it's good to generalize.
00:25:54.55\00:25:56.75
I think that there's a
lot of people in the world
00:25:56.79\00:25:58.52
who are not as promiscuous
as we think they are.
00:25:58.55\00:26:00.62
And I think that's something
our young people need to hear
00:26:00.66\00:26:02.59
that just because
you seen on television
00:26:02.62\00:26:04.13
doesn't mean
everybody is doing it.
00:26:04.16\00:26:05.49
Okay, all right.
Another question.
00:26:05.53\00:26:06.86
Why you think our
society is over sexualized?
00:26:06.90\00:26:11.57
Kim?
00:26:11.60\00:26:13.10
Because Satan is the
counterfeit for everything.
00:26:13.13\00:26:15.54
So sex is the
counterfeit for love
00:26:15.57\00:26:18.21
and so it's over
sexualized because it's a copy,
00:26:18.24\00:26:21.34
a counterfeit for
what God wants to give us
00:26:21.38\00:26:23.68
which is true intimacy.
00:26:23.71\00:26:25.05
Okay. John?
00:26:25.08\00:26:26.41
Yeah, sex tells better
than anything else in this world
00:26:26.45\00:26:28.05
and I believe it's the most
addictive thing in this world.
00:26:28.08\00:26:31.39
Okay, all right. You
wanna tell? Go ahead.
00:26:31.42\00:26:34.19
We don't use to
sell drugs there.
00:26:34.22\00:26:37.93
That's how you set out the fire.
00:26:37.96\00:26:40.43
Who knows what's going
to fall back from here.
00:26:40.46\00:26:42.86
Okay, here we
go, another question.
00:26:42.90\00:26:44.67
Is anything wrong with
having sex before marriage?
00:26:44.70\00:26:47.04
Why?
00:26:47.07\00:26:48.40
There's everything wrong
with having sex before marriage.
00:26:48.44\00:26:51.51
Just of the top of
my head, God says, no.
00:26:51.54\00:26:55.84
Because God said
no. Give me some wise.
00:26:55.88\00:26:58.61
Give me some wise.
00:26:58.65\00:26:59.98
It's definitely danger
because it's the attachment
00:27:00.02\00:27:01.82
that you make with the people
00:27:01.85\00:27:03.89
that you have sex
with those do not go away.
00:27:03.92\00:27:09.66
Get that. Okay.
00:27:09.69\00:27:11.29
Yeah, 'cause sex
is ready to bond you,
00:27:11.33\00:27:12.79
so why would you wanna be bonded
00:27:12.83\00:27:14.43
with 12 different people?
00:27:14.46\00:27:16.77
That's just, yeah.
00:27:16.80\00:27:18.37
Okay. All right.
00:27:18.40\00:27:20.44
John, other question,
00:27:20.47\00:27:21.80
why do you think men
struggle more with porn
00:27:21.84\00:27:23.54
and stuff like that
and addictions like that?
00:27:23.57\00:27:24.97
I think men are more visual,
women are more emotional,
00:27:25.01\00:27:27.74
and I hate to
say this, brothers,
00:27:27.78\00:27:29.11
but women tend to think more
00:27:29.14\00:27:31.25
and I think we
tend to act on impulse
00:27:31.28\00:27:33.31
more than anything else.
00:27:33.35\00:27:34.68
I disagree.
00:27:34.72\00:27:36.05
I think that women
especially in today's society
00:27:36.08\00:27:38.49
are struggling
with porn just as much.
00:27:38.52\00:27:40.99
You'd be surprised
00:27:41.02\00:27:42.36
as how many women
struggle with porn.
00:27:42.39\00:27:43.73
It looks different, but
it can be the same thing.
00:27:43.76\00:27:45.69
Okay. Well, that's where
we want to finish it off.
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The Bible says, I'm gonna close
with which says in Romans 12:2,
00:27:47.23\00:27:50.83
"Do not conform any longer
to the pattern of this world
00:27:50.87\00:27:53.44
but be transformed by
the renewing of your mind."
00:27:53.47\00:27:56.17
Let God do that for you
00:27:56.20\00:27:57.54
and remember to
always make pure choices.
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God bless you.
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