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Hello, and
welcome to Pure Choices.
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I'm your host
Pastor Joshua Nelson
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and you are in a
good for one today.
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We are talking
about Pure Enhancements.
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Yes, we're talking about
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should we adorn
ourselves with jewelry?
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Should we have tattoos?
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Should we wear makeup?
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All these things that we,
you know, often questioning.
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And we wanna answer
these questions today
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and really discover what does
God feel about these things.
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So, we have a great panel today,
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but before we get
into this hot discussion,
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let's just pause for a
moment to say a word of prayer.
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Heavenly Father,
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we thank you so much
for being with us today,
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we ask that you would
lead and guide this discussion,
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sing your spirit right
now in Jesus' name we pray.
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Amen. Amen.
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All right, let's
introduce our panel.
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To my left I have
Pastor K. P. Douglas,
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from Southeast Missouri,
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a pastor out
there, couple of churches.
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Over here across on the
couch we have Brittany Hill,
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who is a recent
graduate of the seminary
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and she's about to get married.
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So we're excited about that.
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Next we have Pastor John Coaxum,
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who is the associate pastor
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at the Glenville
Seventh-day Adventist church
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there in Cleveland, Ohio.
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And then, we have
our recent doctor,
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Dr. Jeanne Mogusu,
who is from the seminary,
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she graduated at
the seminary there
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and so we're excited
to have her here as well.
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So we have a great
panel, great discussion,
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and we wanna get
right into it today
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with just discussing,
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and often, we've
often ask these questions
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around the dinner table
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or different discussion
we've been having with friends,
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you know, and
I've often asked myself
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if I should get one, a tattoo.
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Should I get a tattoo
or not, you know, I mean,
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all my friends got a tattoo
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I have, you know, some preachers
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who have tattoos, you know.
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So, you know, why do people,
let's just start with this,
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why do Christians
feel that is wrong,
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in the general sense,
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that it's wrong to get a tattoo?
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I mean, well, to start,
it's basically traditional
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but it obviously
stems from the Bible.
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And Leviticus tells us,
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Chapter 19 I
believe says clearly,
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"Don't make any markings
in your flesh for the dead."
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You know, I believe it was
a form of worship back then,
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you know, people used to try
to memorialize their loved ones,
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and their loved ones
would live on through them
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or whatever the case was.
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But, you know, we've
come down to the ages
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and we've pretty
much upheld that standard
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that we should not
mark our flesh, you know.
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That's pretty much the basic,
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you know, why we
don't rub with tattoos.
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Okay, so is it
just that that one text,
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that we kind of, going off of?
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Yeah, and I also think
that tattoos have become
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a symbol of
worldliness in our world today,
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especially for Christians.
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The only time we
really see, you know,
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a plethora of
tattoos is on rappers,
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the "Those in
society", those wealthy people
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who, you know,
probably don't adhere
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to Christian standards.
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So when we think of a tattoo
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we automatically
associate it with worldliness
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and those things
that are not of God.
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Okay, all right.
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So we often just
associate negative things
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because we see people
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who are "negative" wearing them,
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so we say, "Well, now it's bad".
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Yeah.
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All right, so should
that be how we think?
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I mean, should
that be where it stops?
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Should we say, well,
because someone bad is wearing,
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because the devil
got it first, you know,
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then, you know, we
can't involve ourselves in it?
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Brittany, what do you think?
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Personally, I'm not sure
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that we should
keep on getting tattoos.
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I think we need to be focused on
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how we actually look at people
that already have tattoos.
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We can't turn
down our noses on them
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or say bad things
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just because they
already have the tattoos
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when they come to our
churches, we should embrace them
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and probably move
forward from there,
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and go based on, okay,
based on this principle,
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you probably should
not get any more tattoos
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'cause should not
mark up your skin.
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We should focus
more on principles
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than focusing on the fact
they already have the tattoos.
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Okay, and I like that answer.
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And I wanna discuss,
also, what are the principles
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that we're gonna use to,
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you know, decide
what we should wear
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and what we
should put on our bodies.
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And I think that
there's a clear difference now,
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kind of, shaping here between
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some of us who
agree with tattoos
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and those of us who maybe don't.
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But before I go into that,
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it kind of gets you
all to get each other.
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Dr. Jeanne, what do you
feel about the whole matter
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with tattoos?
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I think that
because of the association
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that we've had, like John said,
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that it's easy for us to
look at someone with tattoos
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and form our own
judgments of them.
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It's like we,
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it becomes something
that marks our vision.
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We can see beyond the
tattoos to the person that is.
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And I think the whole
basis of a Christian life
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is to see beyond the outward.
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You know, should we
go out and have tattoos?
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I don't think so,
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but that's just my,
my personal, you know,
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and it does have
some biblical standing.
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However, I have seen
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where people have used tattoos
for some beautiful expressions.
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I just recently saw
this video about a woman
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who'd had a double mastectomy.
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You know, she had both
of us, because of cancer
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and the possibility
of recurring cancer.
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So she decided to have tattoos
where her breasts once were.
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And so I don't know
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that I would
look at that situation
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the same as someone who,
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for example, just
wanted to have something,
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you know,
displayed on their body.
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Okay.
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All right, I mean,
so let's just be honest.
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You know, I like
art, I mean, I like art,
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I think, you know,
I love dressing well,
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I like expressions and stuff,
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and so if I, as a
pastor, were to get a tattoo
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'cause, you know, Brittany,
you were talking about how,
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you know, we won't accept you
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if you're wearing
a tattoos already,
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but what if I'm
wearing my tattoos,
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I come to the church and I say,
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"Well, sister Brittany, I
want to get another tattoo."
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Are you gonna be mad at me now
after I getting my next tattoo?
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What really are the guidelines
that we can go by to say,
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"Hey, you should not
be doing this biblically".
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You know, is there anything?
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Well, first of all, I
would ask the question,
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"Why do you wanna get a tattoo?"
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I mean, if you love art,
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as far as I'm
concerned, put on a canvas,
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you know what I'm
saying, put it in a sketchbook.
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But I wanna look at
it all the time, Korey.
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You will carry the
canvas with you all the time.
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But, you know, I've
actually overheard conversations
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between Christians,
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biblically
explaining why they do
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and agree with tattoos.
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You know, I've heard a
young man in the gym saying,
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"Well, you know, the Bible says
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when Jesus comes back,
it's tattooed on his leg,
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you know, His name,
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and this is
written in our foreheads."
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And so I mean, we can,
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there's a little bit more
of a monkey wrench, you know,
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because there are
people who get tattoos
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for good reasons, just
like you guys are saying.
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I mean, how bad is to
put a cross on my arm,
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or I love God, or Jesus saves,
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or some Chinese symbol
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that is speaking
positively in my life.
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Just makes sure you know
what it actually says, you know.
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Yeah, that's true too.
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And I'm just,
I'm gonna be honest.
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I personally am
just not for tattoos
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regardless of whether
or not it's a religious,
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you know, conversation.
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I just don't like tattoo,
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so I'm always
just gonna tell you,
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Bible or not
don't get it, you know.
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But if we have to be biblical,
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you know, our bodies
are the temple of God.
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You know, when
we owned something,
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when we possess it,
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you know, we don't go
around and mark it up.
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You know what I'm saying?
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When you buy your
house, as much as you like art,
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you don't take out a spray can
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and start
graffiti on the side of it
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because you love art.
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No, you wash your
house, you clean your house.
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You know what I'm saying?
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So if you
really value something,
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if it's really where
you think God should be,
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then you should, I think
you should keep it clean.
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But you know, my car, my house
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and I will put some
wall art on the walls,
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I will put,
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you know, some nice
details on my car, you know.
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I mean, I don't know if
you can really use that,
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I mean, you know, but I
think we have something here,
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we definitely
have Pastor Douglas
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is being against tattoos.
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Is anybody want to venture out,
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and be bold, and
say, "I'm for tattoos"?
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Well, I mean, it's kind
of strange for me to say,
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"I'm for it" but I guess,
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you know, I'll
take the other side,
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I'm not necessarily against it.
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And the reason I say
that is because I think
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we run into an issue
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when we talk about trying
to explain it from the Bible.
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In Leviticus 19,
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there is not only
the prohibition of,
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you know, you cutting your body,
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there's other
prohibitions there, you know,
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in that chapter,
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it talks about you
cutting off your sideburns,
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and wearing material
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that has two
different types of fabrics.
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And if that's the case,
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well, I've been living in
sin for about 20 years now.
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And so, you know,
the question now becomes,
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well, which ones do I accept?
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And which ones do I put away?
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And how I reason it
out in my own life is,
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is this an issue of salvation?
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And for me, it's not.
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It's not an issue
of right or wrong.
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It's more an
issue of what's wise
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and what's not wise?
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Because when you become older,
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you know I see a lot
of older folks who have,
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you know,
tattoos, you know, today,
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you know, stuff
that they probably got
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when they were very
young just in a moment,
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you know trying to have fun.
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The question is,
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will you regret
it later on in life?
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And I do agree with
what Korey said as well.
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Why are you getting this tattoo?
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Is it for the glory of God?
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Is it just for yourself,
you know, what is the point?
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Why you doing it?
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I like that.
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And that kind of gives us a
good principle to go off of,
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you know, I think
everything should be done
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to the glory of God.
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And so you can't just do
things based off of what,
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"Hey, this is what I wanna do.
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And this is what I
feel is, right, you know."
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So that's good.
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So now, you know, I don't
know if we exhausted that topic,
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but let's move
on to maybe jewelry,
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another hard one.
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Oh, boy.
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You know, I
remember when I was coming up
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that was definitely
frowned upon as being,
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"You don't wear jewelry
as a Seventh-day Adventist."
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You know, that you make sure
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you, you know, you
should to take off the bling
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if you're going in
the church, whoever.
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Even had a situation where,
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you know, there's a lady
who's going to get baptized,
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and I had a question myself,
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as a pastor,
"Am I gonna tell her
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to take off her jewelry or not
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before she gets in
the pool?", you know.
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So what can we
say, as Christians,
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you know, to
someone who is wearing
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Jewelry is a wrong?
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How do you
determine that biblically,
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when deciding we
should wear a ring,
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or even a wedding band,
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you know, let's
talk about that too.
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Let's go to... Okay.
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I think some, one thing,
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and I should just
begin by professing
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that I don't wear jewelry.
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But do I see other
people wearing? Yes.
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Do I look at them
differently for doing it?
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No.
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But I think one thing we
forget is that in the Bible
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when, I mean, the
Israelites clearly wore jewelry
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because they brought
the jewelry to the temple
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as a form of offerings
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whenever there was
any lack within the temple
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that's what they
would bring with them,
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the gold, and
silver, and everything else.
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One of the things
that I would caution us
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as we continue is that,
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we have traditionally said
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that Jewelry is
not supposed to be worn
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but when we tell people,
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it's almost as
if it's a reproof,
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you know, we are
more rebuking them
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than we are telling them, "Hey".
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As Korey said,
your body is a temple,
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you know, why don't
we spend so much time
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talking about
what we are not to do
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and exalting
the negative things.
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We don't do enough
about exalting the beauty,
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like, just telling someone,
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"Hey, you are just
absolutely gorgeous."
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You know, even when
they're not wearing the jewelry.
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We always make a point
of not saying those things
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and then when they
wear their jewelry,
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somebody else says,
"Wow, you look great."
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So clearly
they're going to associate
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they're looking great
with their wearing jewelry.
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And let me just
say this too for males
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who may are watching
are not familiar with this,
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you know, the Adventist culture.
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You know, traditionally,
the reason I feel,
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you know, I've heard why we
say we do not wear jewelry is
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because we want to
live a simplistic life.
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A life that was not
glorifying ourselves
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and we are
ultimately glorifying God.
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And we wouldn't
want to adorn ourselves.
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And so, in fact,
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you know, and
people would ask us
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why you are not wearing jewelry,
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say, "Hey, we're, you know,
looking for the Christ coming
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we don't wanna hold on
to earthly possessions."
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And so that's
kind of the reasoning
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but when we couple
that with our dress
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and what we, kind of, offset
the jewelry with, you know,
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I don't know if that
really still plays a part.
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So, Korey, go ahead.
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I'm actually glad you said
that because I was gonna say,
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you know, and I'm just
gonna do this because the truth
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and somebody at
home is thinking this.
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We do have verses that we use
to justify not wearing jewelry.
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And to be honest and frank
that to me they're very weak.
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You know, I will take the
woman in Revelation and say,
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well, this woman has nothing on,
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and this woman has jewels on,
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and I'm like, I can see
where you're coming from
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but I think that
at the end of the day
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it has to be about principle
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and you're right,
you're absolutely right.
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Historically
not wearing jewelry,
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it was a chance for
people to evangelize.
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It was something
that set you apart
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so when people
saw you they said,
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you know, something
is different about you
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and it gave you an
opportunity to witness and say,
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"Well, Jesus is coming back"
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which is our job as
Seventh-Day Adventist
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is to herald the second coming.
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And so I believe that
when we make the mistake
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going back to what
Jeanne was saying is,
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we don't teach principles,
we teach guidelines and rules.
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And just like John is saying,
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there are rules that
God gave Israel in the Bible
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but they were given
in a certain context,
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for certain reasons
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because God was
trying to teach them
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certain principles
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that eventually
they, kind of, transform
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as you come more and
more into what is true.
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And so just like we go back
to, why am I wearing jewelry?
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Why am I adorning myself?
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Why do I dress the way I dress?
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You know, and I like
try to take a little time
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but at the end of the day,
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if we're honest
when I put on clothes,
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I'm worried about
what people think about me.
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I'm doing it,
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you know, because I
want people look at me
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and say, you know,
"Look, how he's dressed,
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you know, he looks nice."
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Yeah, you gotta be
honest with yourself.
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True. Yeah.
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And I think
there's something as very,
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you know, we have to
be honest with ourselves
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in terms of our adorning,
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pure enhancements, you know,
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the pure choice is God's choice.
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So, you know, I really
like what you said there.
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And one thing
too about, you know,
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the issue of
jewelry in the Bible,
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we notice that God
told the children of Israel
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to take off their Jewelry
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every time He wanted to have
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a deep
relationship with Him, you know.
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So it was
something about adornment
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that they were doing
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that caused them to
be separated from God.
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Yeah, I think they probably,
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you know,
resembled the other nations
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round about
them and God clearly,
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you know, just
wanted them to be separate.
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I think He said to them,
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you know, "Come
out from among them
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and touch not
the unclean thing."
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But it's interesting though,
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I mean, the
temple during that time
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was probably the most
elaborately adorned thing
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in the Jewish
world during that time.
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I mean, so we talk
about the temple of God
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but God's temple was,
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I mean, you know,
gold was everywhere
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decked out with jewelry.
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There was all manner of expenses
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that was put into that,
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I mean, God
clearly wanted people
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to bring Him his best
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and whatever the best was
during that time was jewelry,
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and gold, and all these things.
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So I think at
the end of the day,
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what Korey is
saying is very profound
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that it's not the jewelry,
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it's not the tattoo
where there lies a problem,
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it's the reason
or the motive behind
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which or why you are doing it.
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And it's clear that
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when they were
building the temple,
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they're saying, "Listen,
we wanna bring our best to God
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to give Him glory.
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We're not gonna bring
God, you know, linoleum.
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We're not going to bring
Him, you know, rotten wood.
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We're bringing Him
the best that we have."
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And I think
that's funny you said
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because if our doormat is,
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it looks better than
the church's doormat,
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maybe there's a problem
with our giving, you know.
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Real quick, very real quick.
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I like what you said,
they brought their best.
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Is tattoo is your best?
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You understand what I'm saying?
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Is jewelry your best?
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You know?
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I mean, and
that's what I'm saying.
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You can paint a
picture, and a mural,
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and it can be
great for everyone to see
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or you can get a
tattoo covered up.
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And even if you're saying,
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"Well, I'm
praising God with it."
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And no one sees it,
you know what I'm saying?
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I mean, what do you have?
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Cause' God has given
us gifts and talents.
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Is the way you dress,
your tattoos and all that,
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is that the best
you have to give God?
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Brittany, what do you
think? Is that, is that...
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You just asked a
question I guess?
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Difficult question.
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I'm not sure we can go and say,
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"Okay, I'm
gonna bring my tattoos
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and that's not the best."
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How can you
determine what is the best
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compared to what isn't the best?
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I think that's our problem,
the way we define jewelry,
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it changes every five minutes.
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The way we
define, "what is the best"
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that changes the way we dress
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that changes every five minutes.
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We don't allow
people to express themselves
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and we do it do's and don'ts,
we don't do the guidelines.
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Like, for example, we say
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"You're not allowed
to wear a wedding band",
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some people say that.
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But "Hey you can wear a watch."
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But the watch cost is a lot more
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than the wedding
band would have cost,
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or we say, "You
can't wear earrings"
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but we go to churches
with broaches and huge hats on.
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We say these things
are based on principles
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but they're not really
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because we keep
on switching it up
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based on how we feel
in the next five minutes.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So, yeah, what is it
really that we have against
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the actual
jewelry, like, you know,
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is you know, that's
such a good question.
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You know, we gotta
really consider that.
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Jeanne, let's go
Jeanne, and then John.
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And I think another thing,
I love what Brittany has said,
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and another thing that
we need to consider is,
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how are we once we
define these things,
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how are we measure,
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what form of
measurements are we using
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that we are
reinforcing on people?
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That we're... I
guess putting on people.
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Yeah?
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'Cause we tend to
make choices of preference
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and we make them into
salvific issues, you know.
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So I would prefer
having a wedding band,
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but if I find somebody else
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who does not
wear a wedding band,
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I think, oh, they
must be from archaic ages
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or something like that.
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Or somebody else who does not
prefer wearing a wedding band,
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they'll be like, "Okay, why?"
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You see what I'm saying?
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So we judge them based on
our own personal preferences,
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and then we make
this issues into salvific,
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"Oh, they must not have
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a close enough
relationship with God,
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if they're
wearing all that makeup,
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or you know, so we
bring very simplistic, very...
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And I might add that,
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me and my wife did
decide to go the watch store.
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You know, I'm just...
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Put it away right there. Yeah.
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But it actually
wasn't for those reasons
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it was more of a preference but,
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and because of our culture,
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you know, we've been
growing up seeing our parents
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wear wedding
bands and like that,
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so but anyway,
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John, you want to
add something to that?
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Yeah, I was gonna say, you know,
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I'm always kind of
hesitant to speak for God
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but I mean, in
my mind right now,
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I just can't see God,
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you know, being
upset or angry with someone
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or want to pour out His wrath
on someone who has a tattoo,
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or is wearing a wedding
band, or a piece of jewelry.
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I just can't see that
and I can't see somebody,
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this is me personally right now,
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not being saved
solely on the basis
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that they are wearing jewelry.
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I just can't see that.
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And I, kind of,
liken it to, let's say,
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somebody who's off the street,
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they're just
coming into the church,
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they're just
getting to know God,
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and when they pray, no,
they don't say as we do,
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"Dear Heavenly Father",
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you know, they
say, you know, "Jesus,"
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"My homeboy," or
something like that.
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I mean, is God
really offended by that
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or does He just,
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He's happy that, that
person is praying to Him?
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And so when you
think about somebody
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who's getting a tattoo,
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let's say they're just
coming into the church,
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and they don't understand
all the Christian language
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that we have today,
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they don't know
all the traditions
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but they're saying,
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"Listen, I want to
get something on my body
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to commemorate my
relationship with God."
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I mean, I want, does God really?
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Is He going to frown at that?
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Or, you know, I just don't know.
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You know, John, I think
you're making some interesting,
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interesting points
but if we're honest,
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you know, I understand
people coming to church
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but most of the
problems we have with jewelry,
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tattoos, and stuff are not
from people coming into church.
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We get to know about
how to treat them, well,
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in terms of getting
tattoos, wearing jewelry,
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most of our problems
come from the young people,
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you know from people who
have grown up in the church
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and after, you know,
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they've left
their parent's house,
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so they're going to college
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or they get to
the teenage years,
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they all of a sudden
want to wear jewelry.
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And so I think we have to
be careful in saying that,
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well, you know,
if it's how I feel
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and how, you know,
whether I worship God.
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Because I feel like
we're going to start
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giving kids an excuse to say,
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"Well, I'm just
trying to give God my best."
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You know, for me,
at the end of the day,
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it's gonna bowl
down to one thing
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and I'm just gonna be honest.
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This is how I
judge everything I do.
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You know, if we're
gonna put anything on
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the Bible really
doesn't literally talk about
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putting anything on
except the armor of God.
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Paul says, "Put on
the whole armor of God."
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Forget about
jewelry, forget about tattoos,
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if we would teach people
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that this is where you start
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putting on the
breastplate of righteousness.
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You know what I'm saying it?
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And go into the
whole armor of God,
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developing that relationship,
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then you can start to say,
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well, as the Spirit
moves me, as a Spirit leads me,
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as I develop in His relation,
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I may realize
that the things I liked
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when I first
began in this journey,
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when I first
started having questions,
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they're no longer
that big a deal to me,
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which has been
that my testimony.
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Certain things when I was
a young man, I said, listen,
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you know, if I
get myself basketball
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and they said, I
want to play NBA,
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I may have to give up
Sabbath to playing in NBA.
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I would never do that now.
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Because I've come so
far in my journey with God
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having put on the armor of God
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and it's not, I'm not
saying that I've got it on
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and it's all
fitted and nice and tight.
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You know, I'm
still, I'm still, you know,
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God is still tailor-fitting
my armor, you know, for me.
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You know, but
as I walk with Him,
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as I interact with Him,
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the things in His words,
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the principles of His
word become more clear to me
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and I don't have
to now rely per se on
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"Thou shall not adorn
this and then the third"
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You know, God can, will meet me
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and make those
things bring to me
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and I do believe
eventually this kind of stuff
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doesn't even become a topic
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as you begin to put
on the armor of God.
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Well, Pastor Korey,
you're preaching now, man,
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and I like that.
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I'm going on a run, bae.
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It's a good point.
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You know, I think
that you must start there.
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You know, putting
that full armor of God,
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putting your relationship
with Christ as a forefront,
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and allow God to really
shape your perspectives.
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I think that's true, I
mean when I was a young guy,
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I was trying to get, you
know, the magnetic earring,
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God didn't want to
actually get that...
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Piercing. You wanna
get the water tattoo.
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Yeah, and the
water tattoo, right.
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And the reason why I was
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'cause I wanted to
look like my friends,
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I want to be cool, I
want to feel a certain way,
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but now as I
gotten older I don't feel
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it's not really a
necessity to me anymore.
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I'm not, you know, I
know who I am, you know.
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And I think knowing
who you are does come
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when you do put on
a full armor of God,
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you begin to know who
you are, and who's you are.
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And lot of those
things kind of falter off.
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Jeanne, you're
going to add to that?
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Yeah, I was going to say,
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I'm listening and
the thing that is,
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kind of, playing in
my head right now is,
00:22:15.40\00:22:16.73
"Turn your eyes upon Jesus,
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look full in his wonderful face
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and the things of this
earth will grow strangely dim."
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There is so much
that is going on, yes,
00:22:22.67\00:22:24.77
we can say that
what is going on today
00:22:24.81\00:22:26.98
is not what was
happening in the Bible times
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and the rules do not
apply to us right now.
00:22:29.68\00:22:32.61
But I think, a very
important principle to live by
00:22:32.65\00:22:35.92
is whenever you turn
your eyes upon Jesus,
00:22:35.95\00:22:38.39
everything else
gains perspective.
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You get a clearer view of what,
yes, God may not have said,
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"Do not wear a tattoo."
00:22:46.63\00:22:48.16
And He says
specifically don't do that,
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or don't do this,
and don't do that.
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But the principle is,
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as soon as we
fix our eyes on Him,
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everything else
gains a clear perspective.
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Okay, so I want to
take maybe one more minute
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and then go to the screen.
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I just want to, I want to
challenge all young people
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and this, you know,
because we want to be practical.
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Let's say, for a
month if you wear jewelry,
00:23:08.52\00:23:11.45
if you've been
contemplating tattoos,
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if you dress a certain
way, let's say that for a month,
00:23:13.09\00:23:15.02
you say, "I'm
gonna take my jewelry off
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and I'm just
gonna see God's face".
00:23:17.46\00:23:19.59
I think that
that's a great place
00:23:19.63\00:23:20.96
for young people to start.
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To just say, "I'm not even
gonna think about it, you know,
00:23:22.40\00:23:25.00
I'm not gonna put it on.
00:23:25.03\00:23:26.53
Not because
people tell me not to,
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but I really wanna hear
00:23:28.34\00:23:29.67
what God is going to say to me."
00:23:29.70\00:23:31.04
You know, and
if after that month
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you feel the same way,
00:23:32.67\00:23:34.01
then you know,
who am I to judge?
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But we'll just
pray that by God's grace
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he will move on
somewhere so I think
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that's a good place to start.
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Okay, all right.
Well, real quick John.
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Yeah, I think we have to be
00:23:41.35\00:23:42.68
willing to be open
to whatever God says,
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I think Korey
makes a very good point.
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You know, the Bible
says, "The path of the just
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is as a shining
light, shining more and more
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into the perfect day."
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And I know all of us we
believe in present truth,
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we don't know everything now,
00:23:52.19\00:23:53.53
but God is
constantly revealing stuff to us
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collectively and personally.
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Yeah, very good.
00:23:57.40\00:23:58.73
Well, I think we'll
stop there for a moment
00:23:58.77\00:24:00.10
and we wanna look at
the screen because we have
00:24:00.14\00:24:02.17
a number of young
people we talked to.
00:24:02.20\00:24:04.87
And I asked
them the question on,
00:24:04.91\00:24:06.74
how can a young
person live pure?
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And we're gonna watch the screen
00:24:08.68\00:24:10.01
and see what they said.
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I think one thing you have to do
00:24:11.71\00:24:13.05
or would be a good thing to do
00:24:13.08\00:24:14.42
would be keep a prayer journal.
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Writing something
down really makes you
00:24:15.82\00:24:17.15
think about what you have to do,
00:24:17.19\00:24:18.55
also memorize the Bible texts.
00:24:18.59\00:24:20.02
Bible says, "I've
hidden your word in my heart
00:24:20.06\00:24:21.69
that I might
not sin against it."
00:24:21.72\00:24:23.06
So I really think is,
memorizing and writing down
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will make you, be able
to have a better prayer life
00:24:26.13\00:24:28.30
to overcome sin.
00:24:28.33\00:24:31.07
So that's an
awesome point, you know,
00:24:31.10\00:24:33.07
keeping a prayer
journal, writing things down
00:24:33.10\00:24:34.94
develops your
relationship, ultimately,
00:24:34.97\00:24:36.71
at the end of the
day we want to develop
00:24:36.74\00:24:38.27
your relationship with
God so that you can understand
00:24:38.31\00:24:40.68
what type of pure
enhancements you should take
00:24:40.71\00:24:43.85
in terms of adorning yourself.
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I think that we have one more
we're gonna look at as well.
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I think one of the
best things that you can do,
00:24:49.25\00:24:52.19
sometimes we don't want purity,
00:24:52.22\00:24:54.39
sometimes we
want to do the wrong,
00:24:54.42\00:24:56.39
so I think what you
have to do every day is,
00:24:56.42\00:24:59.49
talk to God honestly
00:24:59.53\00:25:01.86
and even if you don't
have the desire to be pure,
00:25:01.90\00:25:04.37
ask God for it.
00:25:04.40\00:25:06.00
I think it should
be able to help you.
00:25:06.03\00:25:08.17
Unless you give me...
00:25:08.20\00:25:10.77
Yes, that's the
ultimate point, good point.
00:25:10.81\00:25:13.07
You know, we have
to continue to pray
00:25:13.11\00:25:15.08
and ask for God to
give us that desire
00:25:15.11\00:25:17.05
to even want to be pure.
00:25:17.08\00:25:18.41
So we're coming to a close here
00:25:18.45\00:25:19.81
but I'mma go around and
ask you all, this question.
00:25:19.85\00:25:22.25
We're talking
about pure enhancements,
00:25:22.28\00:25:23.65
we're talking about
jewelry, tattoos, here it goes,
00:25:23.69\00:25:25.89
Brittany, I'mma start with you.
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Would you, would
you let your daughter,
00:25:27.29\00:25:30.39
would you let your daughter
wear jewelry or tattoos?
00:25:30.43\00:25:32.59
What do you think? Oh, boy.
00:25:32.63\00:25:36.56
No, if she comes
to me to say like,
00:25:36.60\00:25:39.60
"Mom, I want to get a tattoo."
00:25:39.63\00:25:41.77
I'd probably sit down with
her and probably ask her, "Why?"
00:25:41.80\00:25:45.21
And work through that stage.
00:25:45.24\00:25:48.14
If I come at, "No, don't
do this and don't do that."
00:25:48.18\00:25:50.38
My daughter's most
likely gonna be post-modern,
00:25:50.41\00:25:52.21
she's not gonna wanna listen
to that type of reasoning.
00:25:52.25\00:25:54.82
But if I come in and I
actually talk to her about it,
00:25:54.85\00:25:57.62
that probably work out better.
00:25:57.65\00:25:59.22
Okay, all right,
very good. Somebody else?
00:25:59.25\00:26:01.32
Give me your
opinion. What do you think?
00:26:01.36\00:26:02.69
What do you think?
00:26:02.72\00:26:04.06
Well, honestly, I'm gonna tell
my children that they cannot.
00:26:04.09\00:26:07.63
I'm just gonna be real,
it won't just be a harsh no.
00:26:07.66\00:26:10.93
I believe as
parents and all the parents
00:26:10.97\00:26:13.00
that listening right now,
you are responsible to God
00:26:13.03\00:26:15.67
for your children
while they are in your care.
00:26:15.70\00:26:17.91
And if God has
convicted you on something,
00:26:17.94\00:26:19.94
you gotta uphold that.
00:26:19.97\00:26:21.31
And I will let my
children know that.
00:26:21.34\00:26:23.01
I am responsible to God for you,
00:26:23.04\00:26:25.25
and so however I
feel I have to go with it,
00:26:25.28\00:26:27.62
when you become an
adult, you move on my house
00:26:27.65\00:26:30.02
and start
paying rent on your own
00:26:30.05\00:26:31.49
and what not, you can
do whatever you want to do,
00:26:31.52\00:26:33.05
and I pray to God will lead you
in whatever way you need to go.
00:26:33.09\00:26:35.92
Alright, yeah, last one.
00:26:35.96\00:26:37.63
I think God is a God of choice.
00:26:37.66\00:26:39.96
And I want to give my kids,
00:26:40.00\00:26:42.00
at a certain age,
that choice as well.
00:26:42.03\00:26:44.47
I would train
them, I would teach them,
00:26:44.50\00:26:46.37
and I will ask them,
why, when they come to me
00:26:46.40\00:26:48.17
asking about tattoos
00:26:48.20\00:26:49.54
and jewelries and
things of that nature.
00:26:49.57\00:26:50.91
But at a certain
stage and in a certain age,
00:26:50.94\00:26:52.74
I will allow them to
make their own choice.
00:26:52.77\00:26:54.74
And if they happen to go
the path of the prodigal son,
00:26:54.78\00:26:57.38
you know, I pray that
God will bring them back.
00:26:57.41\00:26:59.01
Alright, and sorry,
Jeanne, we can't get to you.
00:26:59.05\00:27:00.38
But I do wanna end
with just saying this,
00:27:00.42\00:27:02.12
that ultimately God
is going to be the one
00:27:02.15\00:27:04.69
that is going to adorn
us with, you know, jewels.
00:27:04.72\00:27:08.39
He's gonna be the one
who's going to crown us
00:27:08.42\00:27:09.86
with that crown and
give us those jewels.
00:27:09.89\00:27:11.29
And so if we're
seeking after those things now
00:27:11.33\00:27:13.19
the Bible says, "Seek
ye first the kingdom of God
00:27:13.23\00:27:15.13
and all these things
shall be added on to you."
00:27:15.16\00:27:16.73
And if we're seeking first
those things on this earth,
00:27:16.77\00:27:19.00
maybe we may
miss out on the jewels
00:27:19.03\00:27:21.00
that God has for us in heaven.
00:27:21.04\00:27:23.07
Also I do want to add this in,
00:27:23.10\00:27:25.01
I Corinthians 10:31 it says,
00:27:25.04\00:27:30.31
"So whether you eat or drink
00:27:30.35\00:27:33.82
or whatever you do,
00:27:33.85\00:27:35.48
do it all for the glory of God".
00:27:35.52\00:27:37.42
And it skips down
to verse 33, it says,
00:27:37.45\00:27:39.22
"Even as I try to
please everybody in every way.
00:27:39.25\00:27:42.69
For I am not seeking my own good
00:27:42.72\00:27:45.19
but the good of many,
00:27:45.23\00:27:46.56
so that they may be saved."
00:27:46.59\00:27:48.56
So even in considering
00:27:48.60\00:27:49.93
that we are
trying to save others
00:27:49.96\00:27:51.87
in our pure choices,
00:27:51.90\00:27:53.23
so end of the day,
00:27:53.27\00:27:54.60
remember always
to make pure choices.
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God bless you.
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