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Hello, and welcome
again to Pure Choices.
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I'm your host
Pastor Joshua Nelson.
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And I'm so glad and excited that
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you decided to join us again.
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We have a good
one for you today.
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We're talking
about Guilty Pleasures
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and we're gonna
talk, really talk about
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pornography, masturbation.
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And so before we get
into this serious topic,
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let's just bow
our heads for prayer.
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Dear heavenly
Father, we just ask that
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as we speak about these
things that You would guide us
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and that You would just be here.
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Reside with us heavenly Father.
In Jesus' name we pray, amen.
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Amen. All right.
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Well, let's go and
start and introduce
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our panel for today.
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To my left we have Kyle Scarlett
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who is a Oakwood
University theology student,
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Huntsville, Alabama.
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And then across from me
here we have Jeremy Anderson
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who is a
Christian author and speaker
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from Madison, Alabama.
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And next, in the middle
there we got James Brandon
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who is a university
chaplain in Tampa, Florida.
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And next to him we
have David Anderson
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who is an also
Oakwood theology student
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in Huntsville, Alabama.
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So we have all men today.
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We're going to
talk about this subject
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that really a
lot of us are facing.
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And really just want
to start off with simply,
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is masturbation a sin?
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Yeah.
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That's a good question
and it absolutely is a sin.
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When you look at the
word sin, you understand that
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the definition as given is
a transgression of the law.
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So we're going to say
that the God has a law,
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God has a order of the
way things should be done.
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And the way that God
ordered or ordained sex
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in the marriage union is
to have two people involved
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so that they both
get the maximum benefit
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and result and, you
know, it's like glue to them
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and it's just how God
ordained in order to happen.
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So going against
that order, masturbation,
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you're kind of
take it upon yourself
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to self
stimulating, self pleasure
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and what's actually
goes against the law of God
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which is the law of
love, which is other centered.
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So you're really being
selfish and pleasuring yourself
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rather than
waiting until the time
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when you can really experience
that gift and that pleasure
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in the right
context of marriage.
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So yes, it absolutely is a sin.
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Okay, well, it
couldn't be clearer.
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And just going to
challenge that a little bit
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because, you know, a lot
of our society and things
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we hear a lot of times
is that, "Hey, you know,
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masturbation is okay to do
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because it's
another part of who you are
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and everybody should just do it.
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It's okay to do."
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So what do we say against that?
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Do we still say it's wrong
even though society may say
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that it's okay to do?
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To answer your
question, yes, we can say that.
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God presents sex as a
form of worship in the Bible
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and once we
indulge in masturbation
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that is now self-worship.
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And our bodies were
made to compliment the other
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like a male's body is
supposed to be touched
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by a female in that form.
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And once we're
doing masturbation,
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it's now being
touched by a male.
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Interesting, interesting.
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You know, to bring
that point further home,
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that's how a lot
of people tend to move
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into acts of
homosexual relationships.
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Here you have a man
who is taking advantage
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of his self and now
he's used to a manly grip.
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You know, we have to think about
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what it does to
us psychologically.
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And so, you know, the
enemy would try to find
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whatever way that he can defile
what God made pure and holy
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between a man and a woman.
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And then when we go and we say,
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"Hey, I'm going to,
you know, abuse myself
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and take advantage of myself
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and have
expressed my own pleasure."
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Then we get used to a
certain type of touch,
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and then our brain goes
to a whole another place.
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Wow. That's deep.
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Now just wanting to still
go a little deeper and further
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talking about some of
the dangers of masturbation
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and, James, I want to
have you talk a little
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about the emotional side of it.
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Yeah. Absolutely.
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Well, I think that with anything
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overdoing something...
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Well, this is something that
we shouldn't do, that's clear.
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But abuse of anything can
cause and lead to an addiction.
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Right. Right.
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So having that addiction
is, it kind of has a grip on you
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because it's something unnatural
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that you're now
kind of predisposed to do
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or you're leaning
towards doing that.
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Just like, you
know, smoking, you know,
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smokes that go into your lungs,
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our bodies were
meant for clean air
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to come out of our lungs
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and in the same way
with the masturbation piece.
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So I think that the addiction...
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When you get
addicted to anything,
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it's just hard to break.
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And it takes a toll
on you psychologically,
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it takes a toll
on you physically,
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and in essence
you won't be complete
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when it's time to really
give that thing to your wife.
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Yeah, yeah or vice versa, yeah.
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Right to your husband. Yeah.
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That's so serious, I
mean, and a lot of people,
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a lot of us, now
we're all men on the set
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but a lot of us men
have developed, you know,
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sexual addictions and
don't really realizing.
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So, excuse me, one
of the questions then
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and as Kyle here is,
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once you have started
down this road, can you stop?
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Yes, you can.
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Philippians 4:13 says,
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"I can do all
things through Christ
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who strengthens me."
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And so we should dedicate
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whatever the struggle is
to God and give it to Him
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and He will help us
to stop whatever it is
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because we can't do
it of our own power.
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And so if we give it to
Him and let Him handle it,
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it's going to be
put away properly.
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Yeah. Amen. Amen.
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You know, denial of
self is huge here, you know,
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that's the number one
battle is denial of self saying,
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"Not what I want to do,
not taking advantage of myself,
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not my will but
thy will be done."
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So a lot of times,
you know, a man or woman
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that deals with masturbation,
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they're looking
to please themselves.
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Yeah, talk about that.
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So as opposed to the delayed,
gratification waiting to,
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you can get
connected with the spouse
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that God intended to connect
where you want things now.
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You know, and so I
think that's a strong problem
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that a lot of
people are dealing with.
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And, Jeremy, I
want to ask you this
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but even though I
know you're married
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so I don't know if you can...
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I don't know if
maybe those younger guys
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who are not married
yet should answer this.
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But the question
is, in saying that now,
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a lot of us guys have strong,
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you know, drives
for sex, you know.
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And we're not
married yet, you know,
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maybe we're not
even engaged or whatever
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and we're trying to
say, "What do we do now?
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You know, what do we do
in the meantime, how do I...
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What I do with these
hormones, these sexual drives?
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What do I do with
this tension that I have?"
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You know, it seems it's
easy just to kind of masturbate
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and end that, you know,
I'm okay for a little while.
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You know, the battle
once again is in your mind.
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And so, you know,
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just be plain with you
all as to speak frankly,
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I was in a relationship
and then me my girlfriend
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decided to get
married and we say, "Hey,
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we're going to do
this in the right way.
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So we're not going
to have premarital sex.
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We're going to
keep our bodies holy.
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I respect you,
you even respect me."
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And so that was a shock for
me because I've spent years,
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and years, and years of
dealing with fornication.
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So here I am now all
of a sudden cold turkey,
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having to stop
and keep my body pure.
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And so there are a few
things I want to point out.
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For one, when I would
struggle at nighttime,
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God quickened me in the mornings
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that it was because of
what I watched that night.
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So there were specific TV shows
I was watching in the evening
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and I was seeing,
you know, the sexual acts
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and then it will
stimulate me in a certain way
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so now at night time
I'm actually battling
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with sexual demons.
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You know, and I
want to take advantage
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of myself, so it was a struggle.
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So God said,
"You'll get the victory here
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when you keep your mind pure."
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So I had to start
having worship in the morning
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and in the evening.
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Right, right.
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And so, you know,
some people say, you know,
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taking a cold shower.
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For me that was too cold,
like cold showers didn't work,
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you know, but I
will go out for a run,
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I did go out for a
jog, I would work out,
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and then you have to take
it to the next level, right?
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So when the temptation comes in,
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you've got to go
to prayer instantly,
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you got to go to worship.
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Sometimes you may not have that,
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maybe looking at the
picture of Jesus on the cross
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because what happens is,
this is the battle of the mind,
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"Am I going to
please myself right now
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or am I going to please God?"
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We have to make that choice.
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And so we're
dealing with sin here,
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and so at the end of the
day we have to choose and say,
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"Not my will, but
thy will be done."
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And we have to
fight it that way.
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Yeah. That's so good.
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And another thing that,
one thing that I've done
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is just putting up Bible text
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like, just in your
room or in places, you know,
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that you're going to be tempted
to go to that area, you know.
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Some of the things
that, what do you all think?
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Yeah.
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I heard some great
advice just struggling with sin
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or anything that
you're struggling with
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and it's basically
the universal law of life,
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whatever you feed, grows,
whatever you starve, dies.
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So like Jeremy said
when you feed these images,
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whether it be
something you look at,
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it could be something
that you put in your ear,
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something that you hear,
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some music that
you're listening to
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that has, you know, explicit,
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you can visualize things
that are going on, you know,
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talking about sexual things.
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It could be, you know,
your surroundings, you know,
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a group of friends, you know,
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that talk about things like that
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or just commercials, anything.
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So you have to make sure
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you don't put
yourself in a position
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to absorb these things
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that you would
then want to act upon.
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And I think that, you know,
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just like if
you're struggling with...
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If you're struggling alcoholic,
you can't go to a bar and say,
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"God help me not get a drink."
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You know what I'm saying?
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So if you're struggling
with pornography, masturbation
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you have to not even
put yourself in a position.
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You know, have an
accountability partner,
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you know what I'm saying,
for a certain hour at night,
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you know, you have to, you know,
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take things out of your
room, you know what I'm saying?
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Whether, you know,
we were at a ministering
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and a friend of ours
shrug on with his very thing.
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And whenever he goes on tour,
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whenever he's on
the road he said,
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he's going to have
to from certain hours,
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he's going to have
to be in the lobby.
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You know, when he
looks on the computer
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he needs to be in the lobby,
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you know, because
that accountability.
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So putting
yourself not in a position
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where you're secluded,
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where ultimately you
kind of want to do it
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but you don't want to
do it, you know it's wrong
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but putting
yourself in a position
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where of optimal success.
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Yeah, yeah.
That's good. That's good.
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Okay.
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So let's now talk
about those type of things,
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those triggers I guess
we would call it, you know,
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how do you then avoid triggers
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or, you know, basically
when we're saying triggers,
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it's something
that's going to trigger
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or get you down that road again
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where you're going to
start masturbating again.
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How do you best avoid triggers?
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You mentioned a couple
good things about avoiding,
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you know, various, you know,
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making sure you're around
people whatever the case is,
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is having
accountability partners.
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Is there any other things, Kyle,
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maybe that you
want to add to that?
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Again, it goes back to
subjecting those thoughts
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to God and allowing Him
to have control of them.
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Once you give
control of those things
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and put your
mind on things above,
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it makes it easier
for you to resist the acts
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that are impure.
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And just give your, ask
God what best way, what tools,
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what ideas because He's,
you know, maker of everything,
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He knows this intimately.
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And so He would be
the one best to ask,
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"Hey, this is
what I need help with.
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I'm struggling with this.
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Take control of this and
help me figure this out."
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And I think that's
the best way to do.
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Okay. All right.
Very good, very good.
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Let this mind me in you
that is also in Christ Jesus.
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He will keep you
in a perfect peace
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whose mind is stayed on Him.
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I mean, that's our rock
like, He has to be our strength,
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our fortress,
our area of solitude.
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And so when that urge
come, when we see that picture,
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we feel it, we
know what's happening.
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We can either harbor on it
or we can listen to that voice.
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So somebody may
pull the scriptures,
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somebody may pray,
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you may take your
accountability partner,
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you may look at that
picture of Jesus on the cross,
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you may start worshipping
like, whatever you do,
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you have to nipped
in about at that moment
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because triggers
will always come.
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The question is, are you going
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to pull the
trigger when it comes?
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That's deep.
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So, in this subject of
masturbation, you know,
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we have to now bring in
what causes this kind of
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really to pull that
trigger to go down that road
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and that's
pornography, you know.
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Pornography is a,
first of all huge industry
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and it has
caused a lot of men...
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A lot of men are
struggling with it, you know.
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So I guess we talked, we
said masturbation is bad,
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so let's just talk, is porn bad?
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Without a
doubt, without a doubt.
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You know, I think
the scariest thing
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about the pornography
industry now is it's so broad,
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it's so vast, it's so open.
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You know, 10-20 years ago
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you would have to know somebody
to get DVD or, you know,
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have to pay a
whole bunch of money.
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Nowadays you can go to YouTube,
you know, you can Instagram
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what people are
posting pictures, you know,
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it's everywhere you turn, a
regular TV, it's everywhere.
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And so, you
know, I just think that
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shows like these are important
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because with programs like this,
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we're addressing the
problem especially in a society
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where a lot of
people are focusing
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on what's actually out here,
like, pornography is out here,
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everybody's watching it.
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It's everywhere,
so vast, you know,
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programs like
these are important
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to really target
that issue there.
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So, you know, that
thing is wrong, man,
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we've got to be real
aggressive in the area.
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And so I want to go
then further and say, well,
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what is really wrong with it,
you know, what are the dangers?
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Go ahead, David.
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Well, the dangers
with pornography is
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our brains were designed
to only be intimate or see
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one person in that light.
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And so once you see pornography,
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you're now
seeing a multiple people
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in multiple different situations
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when we're
supposed to get married
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and only see for us,
our wives in that light.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And so it destroys the mind.
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Yeah. Absolutely.
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And to add on to
what you're saying,
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I agree totally with that
but it's also the fact that
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there's a, I guess there's a...
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It's called the
paradigm of choice,
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the paradox of choice.
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And it basically states that
the more options that you have,
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the less satisfied you
will be with your final option
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that you choose.
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So when you look at pornography,
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you have all these
different, you know,
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different types of
women, different colors,
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different
ethnicities, everything,
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you can kind of narrow
down exactly what you want.
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Then when it's
finally time for you
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to have be
intimate with your wife,
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you know what I'm saying?
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You get what you get
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and that's the
beautiful thing about it.
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You know, if two
people stay pure, that's it,
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and it's
beautiful, and it's lovely.
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But you're never truly satisfied
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with that person
that God has given you
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because you
have all these images
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and you have all these
choices that you've had
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that have really been facades,
that have really not been real.
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And then in real life,
you suffer because of it.
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Yeah, and it really
begin to destroy then
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what God has for you, you know.
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And really my good friend
was actually a chaplain for...
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Also he, you know, he
was talking about how...
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There's a lot of ramifications
when it comes to psychological.
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When you masturbate to
pornography, let's say,
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you, it begins a
chemical reaction that,
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basically your brain looks like
the brain of a heroin addict,
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you know, where you're just...
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And so your mind kind of
takes a snapshot of everything
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you are
experiencing at that moment.
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And so as you do that,
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now you put
imprint of what you like,
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and what you
want, and what you...
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That's not the ideal.
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You do that again
with somebody else,
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another image,
it's another person.
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Now you have all
these compiled images
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of this just crazy individual
who doesn't even exist now
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because you have a
blonde haired person here,
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brunette haired person
here, this person there,
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all the shapes and sizes
and now you're trying to find
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a wife or husband per se,
that person doesn't exist.
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And so now you're
trying to compare,
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you're trying
to find that person
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that really doesn't exist.
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Go ahead, David.
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Yeah, I was going to say exactly
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what you just said, compare.
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Yeah.
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In pornography, it
doesn't only destroy the mind
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but it destroys the body
too because most of the stuff
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that they're doing isn't
even physically possible,
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if you want to be technical.
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And with anal, and things
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that they're
doing within pornography
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that wasn't designed for
the body to take part of.
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And then you compare.
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So when you're actually
intimate with somebody else
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or when you're
looking at other people,
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you're like, "Okay,
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what can I do to
match up what I saw."
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And what they don't
tell you in pornography is,
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in between cuts
they're taking breaks
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and the guys are
popping Viagra pills
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and stuff like
this to keep going
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for hours and hours,
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when in reality,
that's not the case.
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Well, facade is
being made for us as well.
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So this
pornography thing is serious.
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And I just feel like, we
want to talk a little about the,
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what's the danger
that's really behind it.
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You know, the demonic possession
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that takes place even in,
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you know, your own
privacy of what you think is,
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you know, just you and yourself
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but there's something else
happening in those moments.
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Someone want to talk about that?
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Yeah, you know, this
is a spiritual battle,
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you know, that
we're dealing with.
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And, you know, when we lay down
and we have sex with someone
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we are giving them a
part, you know, of us.
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Yeah.
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So we have
multiple, and multiple,
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and multiple partners.
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And so a lot of times,
possession takes place there.
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And then when you
have the pornography,
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now you're watching this,
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you're programming
your mind in a certain way,
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you're seeing it,
you're lusting for it,
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you're desiring for
it, like you said before,
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it tends to trigger.
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And so those spirits
tend to jump into your mind.
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It's not, my hands
don't connect with God,
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right, it's not my
heart, it pumps blood
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but it's not my
back, it's my brain...
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Brain, yeah. That
connects with God.
00:18:04.21\00:18:05.81
And so this brain,
this amazing device
00:18:05.85\00:18:07.62
that God has given us
that connects us to Him.
00:18:07.65\00:18:10.45
When we begin to feed
and default things there,
00:18:10.49\00:18:13.15
we're inviting other
spirits into our marrying
00:18:13.19\00:18:15.86
and into our mind.
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So those are some things
that we have to be aware of.
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Yeah, definitely need to
be aware of those things.
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Especially, as, you know,
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we're all men here
trying to be godly men,
00:18:23.40\00:18:26.03
trying to keep
ourselves connected to God,
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connected to the vine, you know,
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we don't want to disturb
or disrupt that connection
00:18:29.70\00:18:33.64
that we have.
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So in saying that
a lot of, you know,
00:18:35.14\00:18:37.58
even us here
looked at these things
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and gone down
these paths, you know,
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can these things be erased?
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Can you get past these type
of deviant sexual behaviors?
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Well, an addiction
replaced with another addiction
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results in relapse.
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So you don't want
to necessarily say,
00:18:54.60\00:18:58.17
"Okay, I'm addicted to porn.
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Now let me do something
else in place of it only."
00:19:00.10\00:19:04.21
Because that's
going to associate like,
00:19:04.24\00:19:07.11
when you're going for a
jog and I like what he said,
00:19:07.14\00:19:10.25
and he went deeper,
Jeremy went deeper into it
00:19:10.28\00:19:12.98
as in you have to have
that relationship with Christ.
00:19:13.01\00:19:15.92
You can't only do
something and replace it
00:19:15.95\00:19:18.85
because you're going
to eventually result back
00:19:18.89\00:19:21.52
to your pornography ways.
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Yeah, yeah.
00:19:23.19\00:19:25.49
I think I can go ahead
and piggyback off of that.
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Go ahead.
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It all starts with
the mindset you go into
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about erasing it.
00:19:37.71\00:19:39.17
You can't do anything of
yourself like I said before,
00:19:39.21\00:19:41.68
you have to give those thoughts,
00:19:41.71\00:19:44.05
those acts to God, and
allow Him to baptize them,
00:19:44.08\00:19:48.25
so to speak to recreate
what you have inclination to.
00:19:48.28\00:19:54.92
We all have
proclivities and things
00:19:54.96\00:19:57.13
that we are attracted
to because we are born in
00:19:57.16\00:19:59.36
and shaped in iniquity.
00:19:59.39\00:20:00.76
And once we allow God
to baptize the thoughts,
00:20:00.80\00:20:04.13
everything can be erased,
everything can start anew,
00:20:04.17\00:20:06.33
it's like a fresh
new piece of paper,
00:20:06.37\00:20:08.20
and just start all over again.
00:20:08.24\00:20:10.11
So I think, yeah, it can
be erased by God in His grace.
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You know, something interesting,
00:20:13.34\00:20:14.74
you know, I found myself praying
00:20:14.78\00:20:16.78
just about led
by the Holy Spirit,
00:20:16.81\00:20:18.15
I mean, one time I was
praying, I was like, "God,
00:20:18.18\00:20:20.18
brainwash me.
00:20:20.22\00:20:21.82
Just wash my brain."
00:20:21.85\00:20:23.28
I've spent years,
and years, and years
00:20:23.32\00:20:25.42
of putting filth into
my brain, into my mind,
00:20:25.45\00:20:28.32
I said, "God, wash my brain.
00:20:28.36\00:20:30.13
Brainwash me so
that I have a pure mind.
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So I have pure thoughts.
00:20:32.86\00:20:34.20
So that I can
hear Your voice clearly
00:20:34.23\00:20:35.83
and then be strong
enough through Your power
00:20:35.86\00:20:37.90
to execute the plan
that You're telling me
00:20:37.93\00:20:39.63
through Your voice."
00:20:39.67\00:20:41.00
And so that power,
that brain is serious,
00:20:41.04\00:20:42.37
so when I talk to
people and they say, "Hey,
00:20:42.40\00:20:44.41
I'm dealing with masturbation.
00:20:44.44\00:20:45.77
I'm dealing with
pornography," you know,
00:20:45.81\00:20:47.51
you have to be really
extreme and release the point
00:20:47.54\00:20:49.94
in some different areas
that you want to go about.
00:20:49.98\00:20:52.08
So break out that cycle
00:20:52.11\00:20:53.75
and to get broke
free from that addiction.
00:20:53.78\00:20:56.05
Yeah, create me a clean heart
00:20:56.08\00:20:58.12
and renew a
right spirit within me.
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That's right.
00:20:59.52\00:21:00.86
So that's really
what you have to do
00:21:00.89\00:21:02.22
and God can do that, you know.
00:21:02.26\00:21:03.59
Oh, man, He did it for me.
00:21:03.63\00:21:04.96
Yeah, amen, amen. Yeah.
00:21:04.99\00:21:07.46
You know, still
thinking about and talking about
00:21:07.50\00:21:11.00
this whole issue of
pornography and we were saying
00:21:11.03\00:21:12.93
it's kind of a way
the devil uses this porn
00:21:12.97\00:21:16.40
to kind of get in the way
of your relationship with God.
00:21:16.44\00:21:20.88
So I want to just talk a
little bit about, you know,
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just still talk a
little more about that.
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You know, the fact that
this is a device, a plan,
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this is the great controversy
we're dealing with now.
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This is a plan of the
devil to use this thing
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to really get in the
way of our relationship.
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So how can we kind of then
as men stay away from the idea
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that or kind of
compromising and kind of say,
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"Okay, well, no,
just a little bit is okay,
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a little bit here
and there is okay.
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I know I did it once,
you know, this month."
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Or something like that you know.
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I think it goes into,
you cannot serve two masters,
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you either pick the good
side or you pick the bad side,
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there is no gray.
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You have to
decide God all the way,
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decide His
thoughts, decide His actions,
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decide His character on
the things that He is about
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or you can go all the
way to the left and decide,
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"Oh, I'm going to be this way."
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You can't dapple your
feet in two different pools
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and expect a
different experience.
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And what has to happen
is you go all the way to God
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which is full hot
or you go lukewarm
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and God will spew
you out of His mouth.
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So that's...
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That's a message to
the church of Laodicea.
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Wow. Yeah.
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That's a Revelation 3:16,
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and we have to be
completely committed.
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And so that's why I
tell people don't just say,
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you're not going to,
you know, watch porn,
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you're not going
to masturbate anymore,
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but you watch
other regular shows
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and you're listening to
other music and stuff like that.
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Like you have to be
100% committed to Christ.
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And it takes a big
man, it takes a strong man,
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it takes a godly
woman, a woman of virtue.
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And, you know, I
tell people all the time,
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if you made mistakes
in the past, don't worry,
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God can restore you.
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But don't use His powers
of restoration as an excuse
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to keep on playing, you know.
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When that conviction takes place
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at that time, at that moment
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that's when we have
to be in 100% with God.
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But He can make you new
again, I've experienced that
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in my life personally but
it was rough, it was hard,
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it took a lot of
self denial on my end.
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You know, a lot of prayer,
and a lot of sacrificing,
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a lot of fasting.
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You know, the Bible says
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that only certain power
comes from prayer and fasting.
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And so I believe that when
we have specific strongholds
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that we've been
battling with for long time,
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it's time to move
past just praying about it.
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Let's start fasting,
denying yourself of food,
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or beverages, or TV, or
sports, or whatever it is
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but start the fasting
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because a lot of
times we say, "God, I want
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more of Your power,
more of Your power."
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He's like, "Okay,
I'll give it to you.
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I'll give you more of me but
would you give me some of you?
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Would you deny yourself?"
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So there's power
there in prayer and fasting.
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Amen. I think that...
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I definitely
appreciate that point.
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One of the other
things that we, kind of,
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in the other positions
that we find our self in,
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is we always, it seems as
we're always on the defensive.
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You know, we talk
about these things like
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pornography, masturbation
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like they're out
to get us, you know.
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But, you know,
the Bible tells us
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that greater is the God,
the Spirit of God that's in us,
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you know, than the
enemy that's in the world
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that is trying
to cause us to sin
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and turn our back
towards our master.
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So I think that we have to
get into the mentality that
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we're more than conquerors.
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You know, we have the
Spirit of God within us
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and we
shouldn't be cowering back
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from all these
devices, we know them,
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we have to be
watchful and we have to pray
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because, you know, that
the enemy is as a raging lion,
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you know, seeking
whom he may devour.
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But, you know,
being intentional,
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being pro active
about having the victory,
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and I think that, one of
the thing that is a major
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that sometimes we overlook
and we've touched on this
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but scripture memorization,
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really hiding that word
in our hearts and our minds,
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really because when
those things come up,
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if we don't have
anything to resist,
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that instantly comes up.
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You know, by the
time you try and go
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and find something
to counteract that,
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we've already found
ourselves sinking into that,
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into sin, in that thing.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's easy
for us to compromise,
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if we have
nothing to counter that?
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Yeah.
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So, you know, you just
kind of go right into it
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and that's really, I
think about Ephesians 6
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putting on the
whole armor of God.
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You know, and as
men being on here,
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that's something that,
you know, we like to think
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and really visualize that,
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putting on the armor
every morning waking up
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and put that mesh on, you know,
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putting that helmet
on and really saying,
00:25:28.96\00:25:30.59
"You know, I'm about to do war.
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This is a
struggle, this is a fight,
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it's going to be hard,
it's going to be tough.
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You know, I know that
the devil is going to come
00:25:36.30\00:25:37.73
like that roaring lion
trying to take my attention away
00:25:37.77\00:25:40.30
but guess what,
I'm going to stand firm
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because I'm putting
on the armor of God."
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And the sword is
the Word of God...
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Word, yeah. Which
can defeat the enemy.
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You know, that's a memorizing
scripture and whatnot,
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so having that in your
mind that's a great solution.
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You know, it's funny
because when I got converted
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and I got re-baptized
and I had a nice long period
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until I got married.
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I don't know who it
was, it was maybe my pastor,
00:26:02.22\00:26:03.79
maybe my dad that
said, "Don't worry about it,
00:26:03.83\00:26:06.39
but don't go
into this thing saying
00:26:06.43\00:26:08.00
it's going to be
the next six months
00:26:08.03\00:26:09.36
or the next year
and I can't do anything.
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Just say today God,
I'm gonna live for you."
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Today, you know,
January, whatever or February,
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whatever the day
they say, "Today,
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I'm going to live for you.
00:26:18.51\00:26:19.84
I'm going to be
righteous. I'm gonna be holy.
00:26:19.87\00:26:21.21
I'm gonna keep
my body pure today."
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It's a walk, it's not a race.
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Daily. Daily.
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Die daily, yeah.
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Just man falls seven
times but he gets back up again.
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So we understand in
this life we will fall
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but we are also
given the promise
00:26:34.66\00:26:38.19
that God can
keep us from falling.
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So, you know, I
would encourage anyone
00:26:42.00\00:26:43.33
who is really
trying to fight this thing,
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first, don't
fight in your own power,
00:26:46.77\00:26:48.74
don't step into the ring
with that sin, with Satan
00:26:48.77\00:26:52.27
and think you're
going to come out a victor.
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And at the last minute try
to tag in Jesus on the side
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and say, "Okay, I'm
dying, I need You to help me."
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But you know
it's little too late.
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It's a little
too late, you know,
00:27:01.95\00:27:03.28
so before the spirit and let God
00:27:03.32\00:27:05.65
really take control of
your mind and your heart
00:27:05.69\00:27:08.69
that you want to be in
subjection with His will
00:27:08.72\00:27:11.19
and that we can get to the point
00:27:11.23\00:27:12.76
where we actually hate
sin as Christ hates sin
00:27:12.79\00:27:16.77
and we love righteousness
and we love pleasing
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and being in
right standing with God.
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Amen.
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Man, I really want to just say
to some young person out there
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who is struggling that
you can have victory in Jesus.
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You know, this is a
serious struggle that,
00:27:30.85\00:27:32.95
you know, we all have faced.
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We all are striving to
be perfected by Christ.
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And when you
stay connected to Him,
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when you stay close to
Him, He will give you victory.
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Bible says in 1
Corinthians 6:12,
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"Everything is
permissible for me
00:27:45.43\00:27:47.40
but not
everything is beneficial.
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Everything is permissible for me
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but I will not be
mastered by anything."
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So look, make pure choices,
you can do it by Christ,
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by His grace you
can make pure choices.
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