The following program
discusses sensitive issues.
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Parents are
cautioned that some material
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may be too candid
for younger children.
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Hello. Welcome to Pure Choices.
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My name is Wayne Blakely
of Coming Out Ministries,
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joined by my colleagues,
Ron Woolsey and Mike Carducci.
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Thank you for joining us today.
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I would to mention a little
bit about our silence here
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and throughout
the Christian culture
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about homosexuality.
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It's been present for many years
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rather deafening.
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Many have left
our church culture
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and our churches
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due to the silence
about homosexuality,
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some to embrace the gay culture
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and some have actually ended
up going and committing suicide.
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Today, as redeemed individuals
that have returned to Christ
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and accepting
him into our lives,
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we want to speak out about our
personal testimonies in Jesus
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and that's what Coming
Out Ministries does today.
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Guys, you know, I
wanted to collectively thank
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Dare to Dream for
allowing us to come on,
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it's been a privilege to come on
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and share these various topics
that we have spoken about here.
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I want to thank Pure Choices
for being bold in the Gospel
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and recognizing that
there are many people
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with all kinds of temptations.
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We're so fortunate
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that they want to speak out
in the Gospel of Jesus Christ
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with the boldness
that goes deep within that
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than what you might hear
just sitting in a church pew.
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It's been
incredible to have Pure Choices
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and to be on this program.
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These are some programs
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that we never would
have the opportunity
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to do ever before.
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This has been huge.
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That's right.
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You know, Ron, as I
think about our presence here,
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we've covered a lot of territory
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and but what sticks
out in my mind is that,
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you know, Mike and I
have been most recently
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once who have been able
to comeback and be witnesses
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for what the power of
Christ has done in our lives.
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Yeah, you have
been with the ministry.
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In fact, we call you
Moses in our ministry
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because you have had
a tenure of speaking out
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on this issue by yourself.
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Can you tell me
what that's been like?
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Well, I was
converted 21 years ago.
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The very night I was baptized,
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I was asked to
preach the next Sabbath,
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and I was launched in
the ministry immediately.
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And but for the first few years,
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I never talked openly about
the specifics of my conversion.
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I would just talk about
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a life of self
destruction and degradation.
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I was very timid about my past.
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It was nine years later,
nine years in the ministry
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that I was asked
to publish my book,
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to tell my story and
the Lord was prodding me,
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get out there and do something,
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and that was kind of a shelter
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because I could write
it and still be anonymous.
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Then, I was asked to
be on radio talk shows
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for three years,
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but that was
still kind of anonymous.
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I was behind a
microphone or on a telephone.
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And then, Shawn
Boonstra came to me and asked
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if I was ready for television.
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And I remember saying...
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He read my book
and I remember saying,
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"Well, I've been praying
about that for the right time
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and the right
person to do that with,"
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and to his credit, he said,
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"Well, now is the
time, and I'm the man."
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And in just a few weeks,
then I was on television,
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I was pushed.
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The Lord pushed me into
talking openly about this
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because He knew I
was a timid warrior.
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I was a bold
warrior about the Gospel
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and zealous with a gospel
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but I was timid about
the details of my conversion.
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So I've been openly
working in this area
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for the last 15 years or so.
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Yes.
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Well, praise God, Ron,
you are not alone any more.
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Amen, and I praise
the Lord for that too
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because it's kind
of lonely out there
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by myself and wondering,
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"Is there anyone else out
there that has this story,
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this testimony to, you know,
there is strength in numbers.
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Yes.
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And I praise the Lord
for bringing us together.
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Yeah, it's been a huge blessing.
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You know, when I
was first converted
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and had this
lightening bold experience
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with God about,
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what the clarity was?
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What the healing was
that he was asking for
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and presenting to me?
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I wanted to go and
shout it to the mountain top,
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so the roof tops
of all the churches
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that are out there.
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And so...
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but God ended up bringing
me in touch with you guys
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which has been such a blessing.
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We've had our
individual ministries,
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but we're happy to
be under in umbrella
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of Coming Out Ministries.
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Mike, can you
share with the viewers
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or maybe potential
pastors and teachers
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that might be watching
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or even congregational members
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regardless of what
Church they belong to,
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what some of the goals of
Coming Out Ministries are?
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Well, I think our goal is...
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What's been incredible is,
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as the Lord has united us
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in this ministry of
Coming Out ministries,
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what it's done is each person
in the group has strengths
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that the other one doesn't have.
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And Wayne has a passion
for wanting to reach out
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to educate the
clergy to the Church.
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And Ron who's been implemental
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and opening up
many of those doors
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through a tender
testimony if you would,
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one that I believe
the people in the Church
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would not be offended by
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where as my passion is
actually for the youth.
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I know that for me,
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I was a young
person in Church school
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when I had my first sexual fall.
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And I believe that if we
can educate the youth to know
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about the dangers
that are out there
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and the
importance of sexual purity
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and the blessing
in the beauty of that.
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So each one of our ministries
hits on a different area
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that makes us collectively,
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I think, an
incredible power source
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that God has brought together.
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And in the future,
the very near future,
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we want to be able to not only
open up the doors of churches,
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but we also speak
at pastors' meetings,
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we speak at academies.
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We just had an
opportunity to speak
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at an elementary school.
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We've gone to Africa.
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We're looking
forward to, you know,
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this being a much bigger
international ministry as well.
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As God has
opened up those doors,
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we've been blown away by
some of the opportunities.
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Right.
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Yeah, and we're going to talk
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about some of
those things today.
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You know, one of
our challenges has been
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about the
invitation to some churches
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and more so universities
where there are younger people.
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And the fear that has
been expressed to us that,
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in coming to share
our testimony there,
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that somehow we would
make the gay individual feel
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that they were unwelcome.
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Do you think that
that's, maybe, a bit of myth
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from the
standpoint of leadership
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who might be looking at us
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to make that kind of invitation?
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That the gay people
would feel unwelcome?
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Right, at the universities
or churches where we might go.
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Well, as I have spoken at
universities internationally
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as well as in our country
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where I have
found that timidity,
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Wayne, is in the
faculty and the staff.
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They were so reluctant
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because of political correctness
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and efforts on campus
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that are promoting
the gay initiatives
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and so forth.
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And they were afraid that
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my being there
would be controversial.
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And so I would encourage them
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while let the enemy
make all of these inroads
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while we standby silent.
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And as I have
spoken to the students,
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the reaction has been tremendous
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because I would go in and
the chapel would be filled,
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standing room only,
and I would just ask,
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"How many of you
know someone who is gay?"
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And every hand would go up
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and the students
would react so positively
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and praising the
Lord for the messages,
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you know, that like us
have to bring and then,
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it's afterwards
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that the faculty
and staff come and say,
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"Well, you know, we didn't
quite know what to expect,
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but we're really glad you came,
but the students are ready."
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Right.
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You know, I
found that interesting
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that there are
elements out there today,
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organizations that
will go on to campuses
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and be rather
forceful with their agenda
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about pushing forward
gay rights and making sure
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that everyone's aware of them
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and it's going to
participate in them
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and agree with them
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where as when I've talk
to university presidents,
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I tried to share with
them that, when we come in,
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God is not a God of force
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and so we don't come
in with a sledge hammer,
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we come in with
our personal testimony,
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and we share strictly
what God has done in our lives.
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And so anyone attending a chapel
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or attending our seminars
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would be able to witness
the power of the Holy Spirit,
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and what the Holy
Spirit has done in our lives.
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And so, they can...
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and I think an opportunity here
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is for the individual
to either agree with that
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or want to turn their
lives over to Jesus Christ
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in that situation or
to get up and walk away
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and say, "Hey,
that's not for me."
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And so, it's not that I
want to make someone feel
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unwelcome at all,
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but if they feel that they
are receiving an indication
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that they might not
be living their life
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in the way that
God would want them to,
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that this is a
perfect opportunity for them
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to be able to come and
talk to us individually.
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Wayne, now I would
just like to interject here
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that this is the
beauty of the Gospel.
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The Gospel is not
invasive, it's not forceful,
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it's not coercion and
this is what we're doing,
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we're trying to
present the Gospel
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that even the gay community
can respond to the Gospel
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and it's purity and simplicity.
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It's a message of love.
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And so, if our audience,
you know, and potential hosts,
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we just realize that
we're not about like you say,
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force and
aggression and strong arming.
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It's just the
love of God. Right.
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You know, I think
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that some people
have actually witnessed.
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They're some so thankful
that God has let us to places
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where they have
picked up on the fact
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that this is not
a forceful message.
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Mike, you and I, I
have shared recently
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some of the successes
of Coming Out Ministries.
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Can I have you elaborate,
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maybe, I mean, immediately
thinking of some place
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that where we
went in Saint Helena
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near a university and what...
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how God began to open
some of the doors there.
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It was incredible.
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But first of all, I'd
like to go back to the women
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that was our
contact in Saint Helena.
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And she... the
first conversation
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I had with her on
the phone she said,
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"Well, you can
come but I'm not coming,
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and I don't want anything
to do with this ministry."
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And I was a little put back,
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especially being
the church secretary
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whose job was to
organize this presentation.
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So I just told her my story,
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and I told her
what we were about,
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and she soften a
little and she goes,
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"Well, you can
come, but I'm not coming."
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And I go, "Okay," you
know, so we prayed on the phone,
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and she was tired of people
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coming up to
her and telling her,
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you know, the reason why,
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you know, gays
were gay or whatever.
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So anyway the next
time I talked with her,
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she started to soften
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and eventually she became
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one of our biggest
promoters and supporters.
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So when we got
there to Saint Helena,
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we ended up going
to the local schools.
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As a matter fact, the
one elementary school,
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the seventh and eighth graders
had agreed to let us come in.
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And many of the
other doors had shut
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because people were
too afraid of this topic.
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And as we were talking,
Ron, you were there with us...
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As we were
talking to the teacher,
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all of a sudden just as
he heard us talking about,
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what we wanted to
accomplish in our presentations,
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why we were there,
and what we come from,
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his heart opened up,
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and he came to
absolutely every presentation
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that would had any easing,
as well as he was very open...
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Didn't he bring some
of the students also?
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Yes, that's right. He did.
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And so we started
to see this opening
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if you would of people realizing
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that this wasn't a
message that they had to fear,
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it wasn't going to
slime their children.
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And if anything,
it was offering hope,
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practical tools
and redemption to those
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who are struggling sexually.
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Now, I remember, we
spent the whole week there,
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and we went to the
university which was nearby,
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and we wanted to
distribute some of our brochures
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that had our
individual ministries on them.
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And as we were
going about doing that,
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we thought about going
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and speaking to the
university president
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and someone said to us,
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"Oh, no, no, she's
traveling this week,
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she's not even here."
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And I remember that we stopped
and I said, "Well, you know,
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maybe, that's the case,
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but let's just pray about this."
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And the lady that you mentioned
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that was representing
us at the church there,
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came in and we
joined the hands together
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and we prayed,
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and we went to the
university president's office
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and lo and behold,
yes, she was there,
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she was in the
teleconference at the time
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and that we were there,
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but her secretary took note of
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what this ministry was and said,
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"Oh, I want you to
be able to talk to her,"
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and so we went outside
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and we kept praying
some more and asked,
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when she came outside the door
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and stood and looked at us like,
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"What are you doing here?
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You're not on my
appointment schedule."
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And the secretary said,
"Well, they would like to have,
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you know, 10
minutes of your time."
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And what that turned into
was us going into her office,
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and sitting and
talking to her for 35 minutes.
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And at the end of that,
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she called that a
divine appointment.
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Amen. Yeah. So.
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And we prayed at every stop,
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every door that
had shut on our face,
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we were standing
outside of it praying
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and God opened
up those doors again
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because we acknowledged the fact
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that they closed and only
God could open those doors.
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That's right.
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So what else is coming out
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or let's take a look
actually some other things
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that have happened here.
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Yeah, Ron, talk about Africa.
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I'm Wayne, by the way.
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I'm sorry. That's right.
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It's like we do
this all the time.
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We're always
calling each other...
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We get some
familiar with each other
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where we're always
forgetting who is who.
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Well,
interchangeable. That's right.
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We had this amazing
incredible opportunity
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that came up for Africa.
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And you know, I was
kind of blown away by that
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because in Africa, you know,
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our church elders and
leadership have told me
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when I've come in
contact with them,
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"In Africa, they don't
talk about this in Africa."
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And I said, "Wow, how
would that be different
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than it is here in
the United States."
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Although, those opportunities
are opening up more and more.
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And with the
political atmosphere
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like it is in Africa right now,
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we were feeling a little
bit under pressure before going,
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but you know, what
did that look like?
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What did that turn into,
Mike, you and I went, so...?
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It was probably the
single most incredible event
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I've ever experienced.
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You know, a little church
way out in the wilderness,
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in a sugarcane field in Kenya.
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The pastor had a dream,
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and he was told
to know God's love.
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He said, "I want
you to know my love."
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And through a
search on the internet,
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he found Wayne's
website, and he called Wayne,
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and he said,
"Wayne, mighty man of God,
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I want you to come to my
church and share your message."
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And Wayne, your response was,
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"Do you know what
this ministry is about?"
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Right. And he had
searched your website.
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He said, "Yes, we
need you to come,"
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and you started
putting the pressure on me
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that I needed to go with you.
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And I said, "Nope,
I don't need to go."
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And through divine intervention,
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again I said, "Lord,
you've got to make it plain,
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otherwise, I'm not going."
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And the Lord just
made it very plain,
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within just three
hours of my prayer.
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And off we were to Africa.
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And when we got there,
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remember when we
pulled up, Wayne,
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dirt roads all the way
up to the sugarcane field.
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And as we pull up to
this makeshift church,
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it didn't even
have a proper roof
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and didn't even
have walls in it,
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it had just logs for benches.
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And the children were singing.
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The children were singing,
all the quire was out in front,
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and the people were waiting
for us in the hot burning sun.
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And before we get
even open the door,
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they were opening the
doors and pulling us out
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and hugging us and receiving us.
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And I'll tell you, they
really taught us a lot about,
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you know, humility as well as,
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you know, how to
take care of people.
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Hospitality was just blown away.
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And that's the way they
treated us until we left,
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and we had
powerful opportunities
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and presentations to give.
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Yeah, I think we came
back with our lives changed.
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Yeah.
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Because of this, you
know, in every step of the way,
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I had prayed
because I wasn't real sure,
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but with the
answer to every prayer...
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Yeah. It was just crazy.
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I mean, we
didn't have the funding
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and it was amazing
how God opened that door,
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you know, the
funding came through,
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we were able to take
a videographer with us
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so that we're able to capture
what transpired on this trip.
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And so that it was just
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an inspiring awesome experience.
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Also important
for people to remember
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when you have spiritual highs,
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you can sometimes return home
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and experience kind of a plateau
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and that bothered both of us,
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but through our
communication on the phone,
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we prayed through it,
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we got our
connection back with God
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and know that he
has other great things
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planned for us too.
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Ron, you
recently had an adventure
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where it took you
to Rio de Janeiro.
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Is that right?
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Yes.
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My book had been translated
into Portuguese last year
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for the country of Brazil.
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And the
publisher brought my wife
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and myself down
there for three weeks
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on a speaking tour.
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He had us
booked every single day
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for three weeks,
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sometimes five and six
presentations in one day.
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Wow.
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It was an amazing experience
because it was Rio de Janeiro
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and Sao Paulo, Campinas
and around in that area.
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But what was so
striking to my wife and myself
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was that homosexuality
was so open and so prevalent.
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And they told us that
it's everywhere, in fact,
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as we were
presenting at the university,
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the huge university there,
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one of the professors
in the theology department
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was having
lunch with us one day,
00:19:02.70\00:19:04.07
and he said,
"You know, pastor Ron,
00:19:04.11\00:19:06.68
in all of my classes,"
now, these are theology classes.
00:19:06.71\00:19:10.31
He said, "I have
at least two or three
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openly practicing homosexuals
in every single class.
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And they just
like in so many places,
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they don't know
what to do about it,
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they don't know
how to deal with it."
00:19:22.56\00:19:24.83
And as we were able to
share to see how they realized,
00:19:24.86\00:19:29.63
yes, this is something
that can be overcome to.
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They were praising the
Lord that we do have resources
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and within our own denomination
00:19:35.34\00:19:36.67
and this is what
we're providing is...
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Amen.
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Seminars and resources
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and presentations
of all different types.
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And it was just an
incredible experience
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because everyday someone
would come to me privately
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and we would spend
a long time counseling
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because they were
either gay or coming out of it,
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going into it, or
had been out of it
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and ministering too.
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We have brothers and
sisters like ourselves
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already ministering in Brazil
00:20:03.87\00:20:05.53
that have come out
and walking victorious
00:20:05.57\00:20:06.97
in the Lord.
00:20:07.00\00:20:08.34
And we need to
connect with these people...
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Yes. And enlarge our borders.
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Amen.
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You know, as I experienced
redemption from homosexuality,
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I began to speak
with church leadership
00:20:16.44\00:20:19.41
and members from our
denominational conference.
00:20:19.45\00:20:24.55
And you know,
00:20:24.59\00:20:25.92
there was little bit
of skepticism out first,
00:20:25.95\00:20:28.49
and I began to talk
to my parents about this,
00:20:28.52\00:20:31.33
they kind of wanted to know,
why was this rising up divided,
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I have this passion to
go out and speak about this.
00:20:34.73\00:20:37.60
And the fact of the
matter is this that the silence
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I just felt couldn't
be left that way any more,
00:20:40.34\00:20:43.07
and I said, you know,
00:20:43.10\00:20:44.44
when I lived in the gay culture,
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I had the impression in my heart
00:20:47.51\00:20:49.58
still that God was
trying to tell me something
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about this not being right
00:20:52.31\00:20:53.65
and I couldn't see
myself as a gay activist.
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And so when God
convicted my heart
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and won me back to Him,
00:20:59.49\00:21:01.12
I said, you know, "I will
live for you whatever cost,
00:21:01.16\00:21:04.46
I will be an
activist for Jesus Christ
00:21:04.49\00:21:06.66
'cause there is
no shame in that.
00:21:06.70\00:21:08.70
And God will protect me,
00:21:08.73\00:21:10.57
until he sees that
He's finished with me."
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Redeemed activist. That's right.
00:21:13.17\00:21:15.24
A redeemed activist.
00:21:15.27\00:21:18.74
So, you know,
00:21:18.77\00:21:20.54
if God's impressing you
to make this invitation,
00:21:20.58\00:21:24.35
you know, I invite you
to get in touch with us.
00:21:24.38\00:21:27.42
You can reach us by
going to our website
00:21:27.45\00:21:30.29
at comingoutministries.org.
00:21:30.32\00:21:33.42
And I'm wondering if you
guys have some other things
00:21:33.46\00:21:36.56
that you would like to
share about this ministry
00:21:36.59\00:21:38.39
that might be on your hearts.
00:21:38.43\00:21:40.53
One thing that actually
blew me away about Africa,
00:21:40.56\00:21:43.00
and I failed to
mention it before was,
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all of a sudden, it was
the first day we were there,
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we've been ministering
all the day at the church.
00:21:47.74\00:21:49.77
And someone asked us
00:21:49.80\00:21:51.14
just speak to
eight to ten young girls
00:21:51.17\00:21:53.17
about sexual purity.
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We were so jet
lagged, I was so exhausted.
00:21:54.61\00:21:57.08
I couldn't
understand the translator,
00:21:57.11\00:21:58.61
but he kept saying
that thing about...
00:21:58.65\00:22:00.92
Just saying no to FGM. Yes, FGM.
00:22:00.95\00:22:03.59
And I thought it was
female genital manipulation,
00:22:03.62\00:22:05.99
but he was saying,
female genital mutilation.
00:22:06.02\00:22:08.16
Right.
00:22:08.19\00:22:09.52
And here, God
opened up this opportunity,
00:22:09.56\00:22:11.46
when I got there,
00:22:11.49\00:22:12.83
wasn't 8 to 10
girls, it was 400...
00:22:12.86\00:22:14.96
Amazing.
00:22:15.00\00:22:16.33
Young girls
between 5 and 18 years old,
00:22:16.36\00:22:18.33
then I was in shock
00:22:18.37\00:22:19.70
'cause we didn't
bring the projector
00:22:19.73\00:22:21.07
I just had, you
know, my hand held in.
00:22:21.10\00:22:22.97
And I said, "Lord,
what am I going to do?"
00:22:23.00\00:22:24.51
And it's like this anointing
00:22:24.54\00:22:25.94
just came and He
said, "Mike, you were raised
00:22:25.97\00:22:28.11
by a single
mother and three sisters,
00:22:28.14\00:22:29.71
you know how to talk to women.
00:22:29.74\00:22:31.28
Just tell them
how much I love them."
00:22:31.31\00:22:34.05
And so I just poured
out to them this love
00:22:34.08\00:22:36.48
that each one of them God loved
00:22:36.52\00:22:38.15
and that was so incredible
00:22:38.19\00:22:40.26
the way that I don't
even have to be prepared,
00:22:40.29\00:22:42.72
the Bible talks about how,
00:22:42.76\00:22:44.29
don't worry about
what you're going to say,
00:22:44.33\00:22:45.66
that the Holy Spirit
will give you adherence,
00:22:45.69\00:22:47.86
and He truly did and that I know
00:22:47.90\00:22:50.90
we've all experienced
00:22:50.93\00:22:52.27
and that just
keeps us knowing that
00:22:52.30\00:22:53.74
God is moving this ministry.
00:22:53.77\00:22:55.10
Yeah.
00:22:55.14\00:22:56.47
And He's got
great things in store.
00:22:56.50\00:22:57.84
I'm amazed everyday as
I go to check my email.
00:22:57.87\00:23:00.61
I never know
what God has planned,
00:23:00.64\00:23:02.71
but it's amazing the emails
00:23:02.74\00:23:04.65
that are coming and included
in that are the invitations
00:23:04.68\00:23:08.15
that come to us and so if
you're contemplating this,
00:23:08.18\00:23:11.65
you know, I just
suggest you that you not fear
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but you pray and
ask for God's guidance
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because He wants
you to stand up for Him,
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and to let the
Holy Spirit use you
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to bring the
reality of the redemption
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that's available for everyone.
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You know,
Wayne, you're asking us
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about our availability and more
about Coming Out Ministries,
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what we have to offer.
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And I would just like to
say to our viewing audience
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that we're
available in any combination.
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We go places individually.
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Wayne is from Washington,
Mike is from Tennessee,
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I'm from the
heart of the country,
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Arkansas,
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and we go in pairs or
all three of us individually
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to do seminars,
sermons, testimonials,
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all kinds of
presentations in schools,
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in churches and
other institutions
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and events like camp meetings
and conventions and so forth.
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The reason this is so important
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that what we're
trying to offer is,
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this is now a global issue.
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Homosexuality is a global issue,
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and we read in Luke 17:28,
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"Likewise also as it
was in the days of Lot,"
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coupled with verse 30,
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"Even thus
shall it be in the day
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when the son of
man is revealed."
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This is an in time
issue, a global issue,
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and we see everywhere we
go, even Africa and places
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where you wouldn't
think it was an issue.
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It's a major issue
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and so we just want to
appeal to the viewing audience
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to have us come and
do some of our ministry
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in your venue.
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That's right.
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And something I'd
like to add to that, Ron,
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is that none of us--
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That's right.
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And so it's only been at
expenses for accommodations
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and for travel and when
we're there, there are people
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that have lent us support
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or they have
taken a love offering
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and God has blessed us in this
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because we believe that
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we don't want to let
anything get in the way
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of God providing this
message to however poor or rich
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and environment is
that we're walking into.
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Anything, Mike,
that you'd like to say
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about this ministry before
this program closes today?
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I had no idea,
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the goodness of God to
move us this far, this fast.
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Amen.
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It was just what,
two years ago less.
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And two years ago that we
had met for the first time.
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And you know, Ron,
I was handed your book
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and not long after I
come back to the Lord,
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and I really
resonated with the early years
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and identifying some
of the characteristics
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says to why, I went
through what is did.
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So we know that there needs
to be more resources out there.
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We're passionate about
bringing to young people,
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old people like.
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We want to
educate church communities
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to be a safe atmosphere
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for those that
are sexually defiled,
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not just the homosexual...
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Amen.
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But for those who are struggling
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with pornography addiction,
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sexual addiction of any kind
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because we know that
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God is wrapping
up this work quickly.
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We know that his latter
rain is being poured out,
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and we want to
get that message out
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so we can go home.
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That's right. Amen.
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That's what I, you know... Yeah.
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That's why I think that
we're so passionate about this.
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Yeah, there is a lot of people
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still with certain
amount of blindness thinking...
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I know when I came
back into the church
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where I'm today, it was
thought that there would...
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this message wouldn't
effect anybody in this church,
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and I mean, a
church with 850 people.
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And so, you know,
how would you know
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in this deaf
silence what it's been?
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And so I think it's an
active faith to believe
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that God is able to reach people
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in your own congregation
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and in your silence
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what's happening
in the political arena
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or in the civil world is
that we're seeing this issue,
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you know, take the headlines
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and so I don't think
we can afford to be silent
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about this in churches,
in schools or anywhere,
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you know, that a redeemed
voice might be able to go.
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I want to say too that,
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you know, in our
going around the globe
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and going into all these places,
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we solicit your
prayers, we need them...
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Yes. So very, very much.
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We need the protection of
the blood of Jesus Christ.
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He's done so much for us,
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and we can only be amazed
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at what He's
able to do for others.
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So as we wrap up
this program today,
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I would just like to ask you
to keep watching Pure Choices
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and to keep making pure choices.
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It's been my pleasure to be here
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with Coming Out Ministries
00:27:44.89\00:27:46.56
and to be a
part of Dare to Dream
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and a part of Pure Choices.
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Thank you.
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